Smalltown Circus [Game Over] - Mafia Win

[MartinGG99]

I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

Wilgy like (early energy I liked a fair bit)
Limecoke like (p#161 in particular)

falcon semi-like (I like the callout of the half-serious read but he walks back his SR after the defense of it, when I think the defense wasn't all that great)
Nanook semi-like (#202 kinda lines up where I was at that point, idk where the porscha thing came from they're just null imo)
seanzie semi-semi-like (I have the slightest feeling that #270 and #271 are towny since he sorta just implicitly/indirectly shrugs on himself but then calls it good strategy, a thing I don't think a wolf would do)

112 semi-dislike (defense of half-serious read bugs me, calls it a natural thing that towns do instead of exemplifying that it is solvy or something to that effect. Doki doki makes valid point about #80 being kinda towny though)
nutella semi-dislike

the rest I don't really have an opinion on

Lily
Porscha
Abigail
doki doki

Oh god I signed up for flipless, lord help me

it's gonna be even more wonderful if the poisoner, trapper, SK, and mafia all land a kill n1

Ideally not all of that happens, as there are a few ways to stop each of those, but I see plenty of chances for a scuffed gamestate given the flipless (which may be better thought of as a free unpreventable and unstoppable super-janitor of all alignments for the mafia's sake; some roles can help with that but it relies on trusting those roles)

Why don't you have an opinion on me?

[Lilypetal]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

[Lilypetal]

+1 townread at least

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

This isn't an alt on this site I actually started with this on here.

Was thinking of changing it to just my name but eh.

[MartinGG99]

Why don't you have an opinion on me?

a lot of your posts are preety thin + I don't know you from the past (at least, I don't think so, maybe I've seen your name once before but I can't recall)

and I just haven't gotten around to figuring how I should engage you and others in order to solve

[Lilypetal]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

This isn't an alt on this site I actually started with this on here.

Was thinking of changing it to just my name but eh.

Oh I see that's strange

[Lilypetal]

Why don't you have an opinion on me?

a lot of your posts are preety thin + I don't know you from the past (at least, I don't think so, maybe I've seen your name once before but I can't recall)

and I just haven't gotten around to figuring how I should engage you and others in order to solve

Thanks

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

This isn't an alt on this site I actually started with this on here.

Was thinking of changing it to just my name but eh.

Oh I see that's strange

Yeeee.

You have any other possible scumreads or SK reads or is Falcon just fine?

[Seanzie]

Wilgy like (early energy I liked a fair bit)
Limecoke like (p#161 in particular)

falcon semi-like (I like the callout of the half-serious read but he walks back his SR after the defense of it, when I think the defense wasn't all that great)
Nanook semi-like (#202 kinda lines up where I was at that point, idk where the porscha thing came from they're just null imo)
seanzie semi-semi-like (I have the slightest feeling that #270 and #271 are towny since he sorta just implicitly/indirectly shrugs on himself but then calls it good strategy, a thing I don't think a wolf would do)

112 semi-dislike (defense of half-serious read bugs me, calls it a natural thing that towns do instead of exemplifying that it is solvy or something to that effect. Doki doki makes valid point about #80 being kinda towny though)
nutella semi-dislike

the rest I don't really have an opinion on

Lily
Porscha
Abigail
doki doki

Oh god I signed up for flipless, lord help me

it's gonna be even more wonderful if the poisoner, trapper, SK, and mafia all land a kill n1

Ideally not all of that happens, as there are a few ways to stop each of those, but I see plenty of chances for a scuffed gamestate given the flipless (which may be better thought of as a free unpreventable and unstoppable super-janitor of all alignments for the mafia's sake; some roles can help with that but it relies on trusting those roles)

I feel like you should be paranoid of me.

[MartinGG99]

Sean, I am paranoid of you. That's why I wanted to get the slightest pointer one way or another so I can rest my mind lol.

I still recall that one game where you poked and semi-pushed me really early, and I thought you were wolf for it, and was correct about it but ended up changing my mind till it was too late and you just nuked everyone. I think it was that avatar/airbender game?

[Lilypetal]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

This isn't an alt on this site I actually started with this on here.

Was thinking of changing it to just my name but eh.

Oh I see that's strange

Yeeee.

You have any other possible scumreads or SK reads or is Falcon just fine?

Like I said prior my SK guess is wilgy but that's like obviously never accurate for anyone so meh, basically just means I think he's not a wolf atm

I'm still not too impressed with 112 or falcon nothing has changed there. Porscha down to null after decent first few posts

[nutella]

Martin is town. I think.

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke Do you act like this more as town? I don't think I've played with you before. Give me some self meta

Lmao.

Lily, it's Brad.

o what aren't alts not allowed here?

lol hi

This isn't an alt on this site I actually started with this on here.

Was thinking of changing it to just my name but eh.

Oh I see that's strange

Yeeee.

You have any other possible scumreads or SK reads or is Falcon just fine?

Like I said prior my SK guess is wilgy but that's like obviously never accurate for anyone so meh, basically just means I think he's not a wolf atm

I'm still not too impressed with 112 or falcon nothing has changed there. Porscha down to null after decent first few posts

Right that all makes sense.

Yeah I have trouble seeing Wilgy as mafia specifically the SK read may make sense but not a priority for me voting wise.

[Seanzie]

Sean, I am paranoid of you. That's why I wanted to get the slightest pointer one way or another so I can rest my mind lol.

I still recall that one game where you poked and semi-pushed me really early, and I thought you were wolf for it, and was correct about it but ended up changing my mind till it was too late and you just nuked everyone. I think it was that avatar/airbender game?

Also reanimators.

[Seanzie]

Martin is town. I think.

I do not feel the same way.

[nutella]

I misread him speccing his champs qual, so ymmv

[MartinGG99]

Sean, I am paranoid of you. That's why I wanted to get the slightest pointer one way or another so I can rest my mind lol.

I still recall that one game where you poked and semi-pushed me really early, and I thought you were wolf for it, and was correct about it but ended up changing my mind till it was too late and you just nuked everyone. I think it was that avatar/airbender game?

Also reanimators.

Wait have I been misremembering the whole time?

Seems I was remembering the beginning of reanimators and the end ending of Atla as one game. Which is weird.

[MartinGG99]

For several games I was thinking of it as Atla but I never actually checked smh.

[Lilypetal]

Martin is town. I think.

+1

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is also an incredibly unfortunate playerlist for flipless lol

Hey I at least can tell flips till I die lol

Idk why yall are acting like my role doesn't exist

100% skipped your role, whoops

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

It's specific to her so not really that broad imo

Also have really high success rate at correctly tring her when she's town so

Tracker also not on the shortlist of roles to not kill d1 anyways

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@☆Princess Abigail☆ put me in the hood what're you waiting for smh

[MartinGG99]

I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

It's specific to her so not really that broad imo

Also have really high success rate at correctly tring her when she's town so

Tracker also not on the shortlist of roles to not kill d1 anyways

I suppose so if its more of a meta-specific thing. Thought it was broad as in like you'd foreseeably could apply to any other potential wolves. For some reason I didn't recall this sooner, but I have to ask @Seanzie if he was actually BSing about his read accuracy on Porscha in that recent wolf game or if he actually has that.

As for stuff not to kill d1, for me its largely just whatever adds information to the game or otherwise prevents death that shouldn't be instantly thrown out.

I think that ends up being a list of like, just thinking about the roles in isolation,

Wilgy (jailkeeper)
Lime (doctor)
Lily (coroner)*
Seanzie (delayed cop)*
Nutella (watcher)
Porscha (tracker)

Stuff with * is stuff that could be fake-able without much issue so idk about them. Which is only half or a third of the players in the game depending on how you take it.

[dokidoki]

No fancy catchup today, I'm honestly pooped. Long day at work, sry

It feels like Wilgy is chainsawing pushes onto falcon, @DrWilgy why are you so confident? This post doesn't really tell me anything as I don't know either of you and I don't believe that genuine confusion about a nonstandard setup is all that alignment indicative

I weirdly like the cut of Seanzie's gib, which I was not expecting

Brad is probably town, I think lightly better of lily for seeing it

My top FoSes right now would be nutella, falcon, Wilgy, and Porscha

[dokidoki]

I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

It's specific to her so not really that broad imo

Also have really high success rate at correctly tring her when she's town so

Tracker also not on the shortlist of roles to not kill d1 anyways

I suppose so if its more of a meta-specific thing. Thought it was broad as in like you'd foreseeably could apply to any other potential wolves. For some reason I didn't recall this sooner, but I have to ask @Seanzie if he was actually BSing about his read accuracy on Porscha in that recent wolf game or if he actually has that.

As for stuff not to kill d1, for me its largely just whatever adds information to the game or otherwise prevents death that shouldn't be instantly thrown out.

I think that ends up being a list of like, just thinking about the roles in isolation,

Wilgy (jailkeeper)
Lime (doctor)
Lily (coroner)*
Seanzie (delayed cop)*
Nutella (watcher)
Porscha (tracker)

Stuff with * is stuff that could be fake-able without much issue so idk about them. Which is only half or a third of the players in the game depending on how you take it.

I do agree with the notion that a player's role is worth thinking about with the elimination target

However if I thought the Coroner was wolfy I would ignore what they said and kill them, same with the Medic or the Poisoner

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Naw fam doc coroner and delayed cop are the only "absolutely do not kill d1 barring a legit definite no doubt about it scumslip" roles, everyone else is fair game

[Lilypetal]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

[Lilypetal]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

Like actually, this is incredibly AI due to it being a day action. I had no clue till nook(?) mentioned it

[DrWilgy]

No fancy catchup today, I'm honestly pooped. Long day at work, sry

It feels like Wilgy is chainsawing pushes onto falcon, @DrWilgy why are you so confident? This post doesn't really tell me anything as I don't know either of you and I don't believe that genuine confusion about a nonstandard setup is all that alignment indicative

I weirdly like the cut of Seanzie's gib, which I was not expecting

Brad is probably town, I think lightly better of lily for seeing it

My top FoSes right now would be nutella, falcon, Wilgy, and Porscha

Define chainsawing

Also my read on Falcon had nothing to do with his set up confusion?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

Like actually, this is incredibly AI due to it being a day action. I had no clue till nook(?) mentioned it

Yarp that's why I brought it up lol

[DrWilgy]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

Like actually, this is incredibly AI due to it being a day action. I had no clue till nook(?) mentioned it

Yarp that's why I brought it up lol

I don't understand. Why is it being a day action more AI than a night action?

[Lilypetal]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

Like actually, this is incredibly AI due to it being a day action. I had no clue till nook(?) mentioned it

Yarp that's why I brought it up lol

I don't understand. Why is it being a day action more AI than a night action?

abigail, who talked about being bored and lonely in thread and wanting someone to talk to, didn't use her day action hood asap?

[DrWilgy]

@☆Princess Abigail☆

Who have you hooded and why isn't it me

Like actually, this is incredibly AI due to it being a day action. I had no clue till nook(?) mentioned it

Yarp that's why I brought it up lol

I don't understand. Why is it being a day action more AI than a night action?

abigail, who talked about being bored and lonely in thread and wanting someone to talk to, didn't use her day action hood asap?

Oh, I see. I thought the focus was it being a day action specifically. Not the context of bored Abigail utilizing it.

[dokidoki]

No fancy catchup today, I'm honestly pooped. Long day at work, sry

It feels like Wilgy is chainsawing pushes onto falcon, @DrWilgy why are you so confident? This post doesn't really tell me anything as I don't know either of you and I don't believe that genuine confusion about a nonstandard setup is all that alignment indicative

I weirdly like the cut of Seanzie's gib, which I was not expecting

Brad is probably town, I think lightly better of lily for seeing it

My top FoSes right now would be nutella, falcon, Wilgy, and Porscha

Define chainsawing

Also my read on Falcon had nothing to do with his set up confusion?

You chainsawing would be you calling out Seanzie's vote onto falcon followed by a vote on Seanzie shortly after without having mentioned Seanzie prior

I would define chainsawing as "attacking a player specifically for accusing another player", this isn't a particularly open and shut case of it nor is it impossible for you to be town even if it were (else I'd be voting you) but it stuck out to me

My impression was that your townread on falcon had to do with his snappiness towards a misconception that had to do with the setup, in which I believe isn't all that alignment indicative

[dokidoki]

I also thought the neighborhood role was a night action, I would have expected her to use it on me after she decided we were masons but that isn't the case

I'm glad for that, I can only check in occasionally

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

too many weebs smh

i felt it. the anime was here. it was right in front of me, and there was nothing i could do to escape it. there were so many 2d girls that i could not count them. i felt it all. all the cliches were present, and the sprites started dancing in unison as the theme song to my torment began playing. i have horrific flashbacks as i remember all this, as i so often do in the evenings now. i wish i could have stopped it.

[LinearPoint]

Since there seems to be some talk about the Lawyer's ability and I realize that it might not be as clear as it could be on the rolecard.
The Lawyer's ability behaves the same as a night action, the effect of neighborizing someone happens at the end of the dayphase not as soon as a target is submitted.
The Lawyer can freely change targets up until the end of the day.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

oh wait now i remember, hes the cop and all his posts were about being the cop lol

then he claimed 3p wowee

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I thought you were a cs person smh

The term is not complicated and idk why so many people have a hard time with it

It literally means greater than random chance of being town

Why is everyone so snippy this game lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I love you all <3

[dokidoki]

[Lilypetal]

THE CIRCUS


Nutella: Nutella is town because I am town. That's basically my read on her. She has a lot of the same reads as me, slight TR on porscha, tr on martin, thinking falcon and 112 are off. My read on her is kinda *vibes* so like I could just be 4th wolf playing identical to her but idk. Towny!

Wilgy: As mentioned prior I think their start to the game and general vibe comes off as lacking TMI. There's kinda that "could be playing to a different wincon" vibe tho which is where my SK sus comes in. I'd say he's a decent TR right now but I'm not like certain.

Falcon: His posts aren't as offensive as I thought prior. I think he's like fine.

porscha: wolfy but i wont kill day 1, dunno why she's not posting anything but can't TR that iso. wolf lean

Seanzie: Playing in his own corner. I like how he floats around the thread, specifically being very self centered. I think his votes and when he made them were towny. So yeah probs town

dokidoki: kinda towny, makes posts i like, has a read on me that tracks with a towny pov. just 0 problems here atm. Towny

112: 112 is either obvious wolf or obvious town. idk which. they're either a extremely self aware wolf partnered with nutella/doki or a villager naturally making out there reads and I can't really tell which. i probs just null read them atm

nanook: in my reread I think nook is lock town like extremely. Porscha and abigail reads are so good. His read where he says nutella/112 have one mafia in it is so true like I saw it when he posted it and went eh why and now rereading im like oh wow it's so fucking obvious lol 112's posts are so sussy. nook lock town to me

Princess Abigail: no content :c nothing AI and until she responds about why she hasn't hooded I just think she's a wolf probs

Martin: Has a decent read on me and overall not too many offensive posts. Towny ish

Brad: town off meta i think

[Lilypetal]

Since there seems to be some talk about the Lawyer's ability and I realize that it might not be as clear as it could be on the rolecard.
The Lawyer's ability behaves the same as a night action, the effect of neighborizing someone happens at the end of the dayphase not as soon as a target is submitted.
The Lawyer can freely change targets up until the end of the day.

oh. abigail back to null

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Since there seems to be some talk about the Lawyer's ability and I realize that it might not be as clear as it could be on the rolecard.
The Lawyer's ability behaves the same as a night action, the effect of neighborizing someone happens at the end of the dayphase not as soon as a target is submitted.
The Lawyer can freely change targets up until the end of the day.

This is false advertising and I will be contacting my other lawyer

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@☆Princess Abigail☆ hood me today pls

[Porscha]

falcon is a wolf is there a day 1 hammer so we can just do that or

[Porscha]

i've read like 3 pages of the game

[Porscha]

Since there seems to be some talk about the Lawyer's ability and I realize that it might not be as clear as it could be on the rolecard.
The Lawyer's ability behaves the same as a night action, the effect of neighborizing someone happens at the end of the dayphase not as soon as a target is submitted.
The Lawyer can freely change targets up until the end of the day.

This is false advertising and I will be contacting my other lawyer

did you say something disparaging about me? I saw martin say he won't abide your generalizations about me

[Porscha]

I hope I have a poggers track tonight, good luck to the wolves since falcon can't carry the nk when he is voted off