The Emperor's Soul [D5]

[nutella]

glanced in both falcon and syn d1 isos and can p easily confbias falcon as town again and syn as wolf from early stuff tbh now that i look through that lens


also agree with this ig

I feel like Syn has actually cared more about how the thread sees him than Falcon has. Falcon does spend time saying he's town but his actual reads are so far out there that if he's wolf they're not doing him any favors.

so im leaning syn again

aaaaaa

[nutella]

I don't see myself ever voting for Syn or Falcon. (I mean, obviously I can't vote anymore today, but in the foreseeable future of the game.) I'm at close to betting the game levels on all our Canadian fellas being town.

this aged so well

[nutella]

honestly idk why i locked syn as town so quickly his early posts seem awkward now

[S~V~S]

At first I thought Falcon voting Syn while suspecting Nutella and Rico looked bad for him, but after some thought I'm not so sure. If he were a wolf, either he thinks he can get mislims in Syn, Nutella, and Rico or he is throwing out suspicion to see what sticks. If it's the second, then I feel like he would have committed to a scumread by now to get them killed over him. I've also seen Falcon propose some odd distancing teams as town, like when he thought it was Zenon/Splints in Solar System and I think there was another moment in se7en.

I feel like Syn has actually cared more about how the thread sees him than Falcon has. Falcon does spend time saying he's town but his actual reads are so far out there that if he's wolf they're not doing him any favors.

Scotty and Falcon already voted. So you, me Nutella, Rico and Syn. Syn can't self vote, so he'll likely go Falcon (or even a third person if he's serious about being yeeted today, and he takes votes).

I personally am a bit more inclined to vote Syn, tbh, but I could see a world with bad Falcon. He does feel solvey, while Syn mainly seems more concerned with how we split our votes rather than who we vote for. Could just be a stylistic difference, though.

I've got a bit of a family situation going on right now; my Dad went to the hospital (nothing mega srs, possibly an intestinal issue, but when you're 83 things can go south quickly). I was told NOT to go to the Hospital, I have my stepmom and a brother there, but if things go south, eh, so I'm gonna be the one to force the issue and vote now, and right now, I'm leaning Syn.

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

[nutella]

i still dont really love scotty being dropped out of contention for today but at the same time i've softened on him too. just want to reiterate that if we're wrong today he should absolutely still be on the table, i think yeeting the three of syn/falcon/scotty in some order always wins the game and we shouldn't stray from that set

[nutella]

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

yeah after typing that my heart is telling me scotty is the answer again. blehhh im confident my poe of 3 is completely correct and contains the wolf but it still feels really bad to pick the wrong one lol

[Ricochet]

and hammer [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

sorry for not posting since yesterday, I'm on holiday this week and this was travel day

i still dont really love scotty being dropped out of contention for today but at the same time i've softened on him too. just want to reiterate that if we're wrong today he should absolutely still be on the table, i think yeeting the three of syn/falcon/scotty in some order always wins the game and we shouldn't stray from that set

word

[DrWilgy]

Locked

[DrWilgy]

Poll

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You may select 1 option


Falcon45ca
1
11%
Voters: Scotty
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ricochet
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
SVS
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
4
44%
Voters: S~V~S, falcon45ca, nutella, Ricochet
Thunal
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/Non
4
44%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Seanzie, Justplayingitcool, Marmot
Total votes: 9

Post counts:

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User NamePosts
Scotty198
Syn190
Thunal33158
S~V~S144
nutella141
Marmot111
falcon45ca76
Lime Coke69
Seanzie67
Epignosis63
Dyslexicon55
DrWilgy21
Ricochet14
Justplayingitcool1

[DrWilgy]

Syn inspected the Moon Scepter, looking for anything—anything—out of place, but everything seemed to be as it should be. The Moon Scepter appeared untouched. It was remarkable to think that he, an expert on imperial treasures, had been called upon to examine the Moon Scepter simply because a single servant had reported rumors of an attempted theft. There were always rumors circulating about people attempting to pilfer the treasures within the imperial gallery; however, that didn't necessarily justify his urgent summons to the palace.

"So, was there anything amiss?" inquired the Arbiter who had summoned Syn.

"No," he replied, "Nothing out of place at all. The item could use a bit more regular dusting, but otherwise, everything seems fine."

"Excellent. Well, we will arrange for your payment and reassignment."

"Reassignment? What are you suggesting?"

"You are to be assigned to one of the schools near Teod. You and your family will be reimbursed for your troubles, but you are required to commence your studies there immediately."

With those words, the Arbiter departed the gallery, leaving Syn standing in dismay. If only Syn had realized that the Arbiters had been testing him. If he had, he would have noticed that the Scepter he had inspected was a duplicate, placed by the Arbiters to ensure their experts were just that.

If our own experts can't identify an obvious forgery, the Arbiter pondered, perhaps we should be somewhat more concerned about these rumors.

Syn has bee yeeted. Syn was a Vanilla Civilian!

You have until tomorrow at 3 CST for night actions. Actions will be locked an hour before End of Night. (Keeping us on schedule)

[DrWilgy]

An important Arbiter never showed up the next morning. Where could've they gone? S~V~S is missing! S~V~S was a Vanilla Civilian!

You have 48 hours to deliberate and find who did this! Poll should be good to go now. Remember votes are locked and hammer is at 3. I will only count the first vote in the thread, but please have your vote in the poll match.

[Scotty]

Balls, y’all. Balls.

[nutella]

Ugh im not dead
leaning falcon

[nutella]

i will be pretty unavailable starting thursday so it would be cool if we decided before then tbh

[Scotty]

i will be pretty unavailable starting thursday so it would be cool if we decided before then tbh

Sure

Well

I also am leaning falcon, as per yesterday.

But I caution here. If we’re wrong with falcon, it’s gotta be rico, and I get the vibe that’s not how f3 is going to go, as I am a lock for f3..

[nutella]

Meh, if it's rico honestly i take the L bc i do not think it's particularly cool that he was allowed to 1-2 post for two days and remain in the game regardless thats just scuffed shit.

[nutella]

Bleh ok maybe it's rico but he didnt see me say this for f3 wifom something something

[nutella]

I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I mean clearly i can be convinced of anything smh

[Scotty]

I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I mean clearly i can be convinced of anything smh

I think you’ve been so all over the place with reads this game too that my tinfoil on you is so much less than rico

[Scotty]

Meh, if it's rico honestly i take the L bc i do not think it's particularly cool that he was allowed to 1-2 post for two days and remain in the game regardless thats just scuffed shit.

I mean, I don’t see a post min requirement. It’s always been on us to determine if a low poster is town or not

[Scotty]

Until my last game that I replaced in late at Fx and lost, I haven’t lost in Fx. I blame me not starting the game. Still haven’t lost Fx in a game I started in, so if we get there, I feel pretty arrogantly confident

[Scotty]

Anyway, would like everyone to check in. I feel like nothing has changed since yesterday in my reads, except that I am VERY confident mafia voted for Syn. Which rules out thunal

[Thunal33]

I hoped I'd die tbh. I'm leaning Falcon but I'll look over everyone's ISOs tomorrow when I'm not exhausted.

[Thunal33]

I have some paranoia on Rico after that hammer but it's kinda bad strategy if he's a wolf. Syn would have likely been eliminated anyway and Rico wasn't in danger so he'd be risking his towncred by hammering.

[Thunal33]

I feel like I should have trusted my early townreads. I don't think it's Nutella for a lot of reasons, and I probably don't think it's Scotty either. I think Scotty's EoD posts looked decent and I reread some d1 stuff where Scotty pressured Epi on his vote for me. I feel like it's a decent look for him since jumping on an entrance like that would give Epi a hard time getting into the game.

[Scotty]

though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

Rico is at 14 posts.



Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

[Scotty]

So that being said, I’m not expecting much from rico with regards to checking in, and I think I’m already talked my talk with falcon

[Scotty]

Did you hear about the time Falcon45ca was put in jail?

He was arrested for fowl play.

[Thunal33]

though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

Rico is at 14 posts.



Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

I wonder why Rico wants to win with exactly 16 posts instead of another number. I hope he's not committed to this.

[Thunal33]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

[falcon45ca]

though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

Rico is at 14 posts.



Gonna be honest, this ploy is not helpful if Rico is town. Since it seems like he’s committed to this, he’s got 1 post left today, to vote. Based on his iso, it’ll be falcon. And if it’s not falcon, he’ll vote me tomorrow.

I don’t like the way this is going. But at least my mind is made up.

Falcon and I were the only ones even remotely tinfoiling rico yesterday, and if we yeet falcon today and he’s NOT mafia, I think the peripherals point to both of us being more right than not.

I am NOT Maf

[falcon45ca]

My solve stays in Rico/Nut




If Scotty or Thunal is Maf, well I don't think we're ever getting there this RD, if at all

[falcon45ca]

If Rico is TOWN, and he was the deciding vote on a Maf wagon?





How is he still alive? It makes no sense

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: rico] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

Why would the Maf leave Rico alive after that?





It basically confirms him town...if they actually are town

[falcon45ca]

Honestly, @Thunal33 , how can you not see that as inactive Maf, the only chance Rico had was to bus his teammate?





If Rico hadn't bussed Epi, would he even be around anymore? It's quite literally the only thing that's getting him a TR, and he's still alive despite being the deciding vote on a Maf

[falcon45ca]

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.






I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

[Scotty]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

[Scotty]

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.






I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

[falcon45ca]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO

[Scotty]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO

‘Confirmed town’ is an opinion of course

[Scotty]

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.






I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

Also wait, really? Solve in rico/thunal?

What about your tinfoil of nut?

[Scotty]

lol if it’s just falcon and rico is straight up just chillin with a cigar in his mcmansion with his 14 posts ready to win with the rest of us plebs

[falcon45ca]

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.






I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

But what is the end goal of a W!Thunal going through the trouble of removing Rico from the POE?

She’s already been rather adamant while SVS was alive. It sounds like she’s come to the conclusion today that it’s just you

That's a fair point, and then my solve is still Rico/Epi





I don't see you as Maf. If you are, this is such a well deserved win, I don't even care (well...a little bit)





I have some mild sus of Thunal, largely cuz' of what I just mentioned, and my Nut sus has to do w/ the fact she's still alive, seems to be hunting, and her back n' forth on my slot v Syn last RD




Ultimately, I think it's just Rico. If he was town, I don't even know why he'd enter the game and play when he did. I think he'd just stay AFK. What he did w/ Epi is literally the only play he had as Maf to go deep

[falcon45ca]

lol if it’s just falcon and rico is straight up just chillin with a cigar in his mcmansion with his 14 posts ready to win with the rest of us plebs

Dude, it's not

[falcon45ca]

I do not want to spend the next 24 hrs going over and over this, too me at least, obvious point.






I will say, that Thunal's inability to consider that AFK Maf would bus their teammate to go F3...that's such an obvious scum move, it's making me think the solve is in Rico/Thunal

Also wait, really? Solve in rico/thunal?

What about your tinfoil of nut?

I'm town dude, I'm paranoid of all you fuckers.





I mean fuckers in the nicest way possible btw

[falcon45ca]

I think Falcon probably ends the game. Scotty and Rico have quite a bit more going for them. If Rico's plan as wolf was to be this inactive then why would he bus Epi?

I’ve explained the strategy multiple times, and it is a good strategy if he’s actually wolf, especially if falcon and I don’t call him on it. The confusion of such a legitimate bus in a 2-mafia game solidifies his town status.

I think falcon’s point of ‘why is rico not dying’ is actually even EASIER to explain away: he’s not a strong town voice. Let’s say rico IS town. It’s not like he’s changing the world being around as town. Sounds like a pretty benign person to keep around even to Fx

He doesn't have to be a strong town voice, if he's actually town, he's confirmed town w/ that vote IMO

‘Confirmed town’ is an opinion of course

Yes, I am aware of that

[Ricochet]

hello

few preliminaries:

1. I've stated EoD3 that I am on holiday now, I'm not gonna cut on short beach time and drunk strip poker evenings to play mafia dot com sorry.

2. Why would my D3 hammer be controversial? We were to reach consensus and, of that PoE, Syn reached the votes. It was also the proper timing (10 or something p.m. my local) to make the vote, I was from travel, I was tired, I could have just as well fallen asleep, so at three votes for Syn, I found it reasonable to proceed.

3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

LATER EDIT: I started writing this before falcon's post. He has exhibited every predictable cue:
-- why is Rico alive rhetoric?
-- why wouldn't slank Maf kill his own teammate? (no further understanding of the actual EoD2 dynamic shown)
-- pushes wagon on me
(+ votes before all the arguing posts, which is extra nice)

5. Wrt participation, I suggest reaching out to the mod or discussing post-game any underlying principle. There is no participation requirement, the website has players and indeed winners of this style, I am at liberty to play so.

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Now, my only thought of paranoia involves Thunal, the only played who can't be appreciated (and likely solved) through the EoD2 vote dynamics and flip. So, one more push of ISO, it is.

Epignosis - Thunal

#132 drops (and locks himself) into a vote on Thunal
#141 in reply to a very spirited critique by Scotty, claims or banters that "Thunal is his partner"
#967 by proxy, to an SVS reaction to a extensive Scotty case on Thunal, replies that Scotty ain't mafia
#975 direct, tho short and brush-offy, rebuttal to Thunal casing an Epig/Scotty team
#980 wth reaction to Thunal's rainbow (similarly having him and Scotty as bottom red)
#993 rebuttal to Thunal's vote on him (especially the accusation of him throwing out suspicions on the wall)
#1006 ends up with a bad label on Thunal in his D2 reads

Hmm. First, it's a dynamic opposite compared to that towards Scotty - neutral (so to speak) turned worse. It is not the least probable distancing dynamic (for D2) to witness - perhaps Epignosis was not pulling his weight, Thunal started distancing and Epig resorted to playing antagonical reactions.

A better vibe is that Epig might have been just as flippant and brush-offy to Thunal's case as he was towards nutella at times (though, sadly, we don't have a flip in that regard either, to judge it as wolf v. town for sure).

One ping towards Epignosis (which helped me also voted for him, EoD2) was that, past his vote-derp, he exhibited low incentive to, well, do anything significant, play a role in D1 even with his vote exhausted and such. Wrt Thunal, if his vote was a ping and not just a poke, I see no sign whatsoever of Epignosis having built a further case (or state otherwise that his Thunal vote does not gel with further reads on Thunal). At worst, if wolves, maybe Epig avoided bringing other votes onto the wagon he started on Thunal.

"Thunal is his partner" is, of course, the most in your face WIFOM possible - and in principle it is something Epig could try to pull, and something post-game might reveal to have been in-your-face spewing.

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Thunal - Epignosis

#219 bemused by Epig's vote, questions its real intent and if Epig did in fact miss one rule, whilst pointing out others
#221 reads nuttela wolf and scotty town for their reactions to Epig's vote
#223 reads Epignosis' sequence of replies and reactions post-vote as very focused to "create a response"
#369 disagreement with Seanzie that Epig's vote-lock is likely town
#573 touches upon Epig's wolf reads (Dizzy)
#760 touches upon Epig's question re: my inactivity
#883 pinged by Scotty's vote on them as a sign of prepping an Epig save
#940 further focus (and re-read of previous posts) on Scotty likely wolf and partnered with Epig
#992 votes Epig (no vote-post?) and rebuttal to Epig on that matter
#995 further rebuttal to Epig's reaction
#1065 further read that Epig's sus read on her makes no sense
#1247 a more extensive read into Epig's interactions, with the main though that bussing/distancing is unlikely

I'm feeling several more fully-fleshed vibes at different parts of this.

219 & 223 & 369 benign / null - within Thunal's range of either alignment to make such critical judgements
883, 940 townlean work in case-making Scotty
992, however, not that sure why the resort to vote Epig instead of Scotty (don't remember the vote progression enough to judge this)
final posts - about as fair as I can expect of Thunal to judge Epig's behaviour

Distancing is, as always, a possibility and Thunal is among the players most able to create a balanced tone and progression with this. Bit of a hiccup in that Epig vote when the words were there to pursue Scotty, but this is in the same camp as nutella's switcheroo - why at all to create more trouble of Epig instead of pushing forward a mislynch on people they have worded enough upon.

Final thought: this is worth the tinfoil, and it'll be sadvibes if it turns out this way at endgame. But oh well. I think I'd still rule less in favor fo the distancing (and buss) theory and solve the falcon/Scotty PoE to its end.

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Beach time. Good byes.

Don't have time to complete the ISO tableau with nutella. Things are already moving anyway in the direction I expected (wolf hopes for a mislynch lifeline on me), which means nutella probably won't be a wagon push toDay.

[Ricochet]

hello

few preliminaries:

1. I've stated EoD3 that I am on holiday now, I'm not gonna cut on short beach time and drunk strip poker evenings to play mafia dot com sorry.

2. Why would my D3 hammer be controversial? We were to reach consensus and, of that PoE, Syn reached the votes. It was also the proper timing (10 or something p.m. my local) to make the vote, I was from travel, I was tired, I could have just as well fallen asleep, so at three votes for Syn, I found it reasonable to proceed.

3. The math solve is falcon/scotty, in f5/f3 respectively, I realise it's not pleasant for them to face such PoE logic, but that's the best thing to roll with, unless better alternatives can be argued.

4. Speaking of things argued, both falcon and Scotty show intent to push a lynch on me, and I don't think either has clarified (or proved willing to clarify) their wolf!me perspectives i.e. how I had Thunal's lynch at a push of a button and decided to hard kill my teammate instead. Word/tone-wise, falcon seems very unwilling to formulate proper arguments, whilst Scotty does so, but also mixes them up with "it's gotta be"es.

Anyway, one of them is town, so clearly misguided, the other could very well be wolf and resort to this as his lifeline. Tempted to believe the wolf would also come in thread and push the "why isn't Rico nightkilled that's so SuuuuS" narrative. In this f5, it's likely both of them could vote me, so it takes one more voter to change mind. In f3, I expect the same - keep me alive, bring it down to a vote swing to misselim me. Stay strong town.

LATER EDIT: I started writing this before falcon's post. He has exhibited every predictable cue:
-- why is Rico alive rhetoric?
-- why wouldn't slank Maf kill his own teammate? (no further understanding of the actual EoD2 dynamic shown)
-- pushes wagon on me
(+ votes before all the arguing posts, which is extra nice)

5. Wrt participation, I suggest reaching out to the mod or discussing post-game any underlying principle. There is no participation requirement, the website has players and indeed winners of this style, I am at liberty to play so.

====

Now, my only thought of paranoia involves Thunal, the only played who can't be appreciated (and likely solved) through the EoD2 vote dynamics and flip. So, one more push of ISO, it is.

Epignosis - Thunal

#132 drops (and locks himself) into a vote on Thunal
#141 in reply to a very spirited critique by Scotty, claims or banters that "Thunal is his partner"
#967 by proxy, to an SVS reaction to a extensive Scotty case on Thunal, replies that Scotty ain't mafia
#975 direct, tho short and brush-offy, rebuttal to Thunal casing an Epig/Scotty team
#980 wth reaction to Thunal's rainbow (similarly having him and Scotty as bottom red)
#993 rebuttal to Thunal's vote on him (especially the accusation of him throwing out suspicions on the wall)
#1006 ends up with a bad label on Thunal in his D2 reads

Hmm. First, it's a dynamic opposite compared to that towards Scotty - neutral (so to speak) turned worse. It is not the least probable distancing dynamic (for D2) to witness - perhaps Epignosis was not pulling his weight, Thunal started distancing and Epig resorted to playing antagonical reactions.

A better vibe is that Epig might have been just as flippant and brush-offy to Thunal's case as he was towards nutella at times (though, sadly, we don't have a flip in that regard either, to judge it as wolf v. town for sure).

One ping towards Epignosis (which helped me also voted for him, EoD2) was that, past his vote-derp, he exhibited low incentive to, well, do anything significant, play a role in D1 even with his vote exhausted and such. Wrt Thunal, if his vote was a ping and not just a poke, I see no sign whatsoever of Epignosis having built a further case (or state otherwise that his Thunal vote does not gel with further reads on Thunal). At worst, if wolves, maybe Epig avoided bringing other votes onto the wagon he started on Thunal.

"Thunal is his partner" is, of course, the most in your face WIFOM possible - and in principle it is something Epig could try to pull, and something post-game might reveal to have been in-your-face spewing.

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Thunal - Epignosis

#219 bemused by Epig's vote, questions its real intent and if Epig did in fact miss one rule, whilst pointing out others
#221 reads nuttela wolf and scotty town for their reactions to Epig's vote
#223 reads Epignosis' sequence of replies and reactions post-vote as very focused to "create a response"
#369 disagreement with Seanzie that Epig's vote-lock is likely town
#573 touches upon Epig's wolf reads (Dizzy)
#760 touches upon Epig's question re: my inactivity
#883 pinged by Scotty's vote on them as a sign of prepping an Epig save
#940 further focus (and re-read of previous posts) on Scotty likely wolf and partnered with Epig
#992 votes Epig (no vote-post?) and rebuttal to Epig on that matter
#995 further rebuttal to Epig's reaction
#1065 further read that Epig's sus read on her makes no sense
#1247 a more extensive read into Epig's interactions, with the main though that bussing/distancing is unlikely

I'm feeling several more fully-fleshed vibes at different parts of this.

219 & 223 & 369 benign / null - within Thunal's range of either alignment to make such critical judgements
883, 940 townlean work in case-making Scotty
992, however, not that sure why the resort to vote Epig instead of Scotty (don't remember the vote progression enough to judge this)
final posts - about as fair as I can expect of Thunal to judge Epig's behaviour

Distancing is, as always, a possibility and Thunal is among the players most able to create a balanced tone and progression with this. Bit of a hiccup in that Epig vote when the words were there to pursue Scotty, but this is in the same camp as nutella's switcheroo - why at all to create more trouble of Epig instead of pushing forward a mislynch on people they have worded enough upon.

Final thought: this is worth the tinfoil, and it'll be sadvibes if it turns out this way at endgame. But oh well. I think I'd still rule less in favor fo the distancing (and buss) theory and solve the falcon/Scotty PoE to its end.

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Beach time. Good byes.

Don't have time to complete the ISO tableau with nutella. Things are already moving anyway in the direction I expected (wolf hopes for a mislynch lifeline on me), which means nutella probably won't be a wagon push toDay.

[Ricochet]

lol, it got double posted despite giving me connection time-outs

so much for 16-post goal, too