The Late Bronze Age Collapse [END]

[Guillotine]

Thread is dead, see you tomorrow

Zzzzzz

Thread remains dead

Boring

Bye

Work is done and wow... is this all?

@Michelle you had a similar reaction to the state of the game as i did.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

The Sean votes

See y'all tomorrow.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Then you voted.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Care to explain that progression?

[Guillotine]

I retract my townread from Michelle

[falcon45ca]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

[Guillotine]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Well isnt that the point, swing at what we find sus?

[Guillotine]

Maybe Michelle actually grew a metaphorical pair and is scum here.

[LinearPoint]

@falcon45ca both Wilgy and I sused SVS and Guillotine independantly for different reasons.
In the event that SVS and Guillotine are both Town I would like to hear how you would interrupt that scenario, how many wolves would you think are between the two of us?

Do you feel like answering this falcon?

[Guillotine]

Thread remains dead

Boring

Bye

This post shows the opposite of solving intent

Michelle, tell me how exactly you would have solved after reading these series of posts.

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Also I am going to bed. Good night.

Good morning! I am going to work...

Let's have a civilized war game!!!!

Hello friends. I am about to travel home from my hollybobs. I can't be bothered to figure out timezone changes so I'm not sure how much of the round I'll be present for, but it won't be much.

I've already listened to that video podcast and it's decent, by the way. The whole channel is pretty good.

Anyway bye.

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

My name is DrWilgy, Doctor of Doctors;
Look on my fraud, ye goober, and doober!

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

My name is DrWilgy, Doctor of Doctors;
Look on my fraud, ye goober, and doober!

Doctors? In this age? Sounds more like an excuse for grave robbing and legally cutting people's limbs off. This guy is suspicious, i don't trust him.

If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.

[falcon45ca]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Well isnt that the point, swing at what we find sus?

Ya, but you're doing it with such reckless abandon it's more towny than not.




Talk to me about Michelle

[Guillotine]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Well isnt that the point, swing at what we find sus?

Ya, but you're doing it with such reckless abandon it's more towny than not.



Talk to me about Michelle

I think logically speaking, Michelle is scum.

I misread her aggro tone as townie but i believe now that the reason she got aggro with me is because i caught her early.

[Guillotine]

And the funny thing is that if she just had accepted to work with me, i would be in her pocket.

Her reluctance to work with me, saying she does not trust my “test” when i never said anything about a test and rereading her again and realizing she has been engaging with me like she knew i am town and still decided to leave the vote on me, when we've been here in this same position before in other games we were t/t, is what made me realize that she is actually scum.

And rereading her ISO reassured me that i had actually caught her slipping but she threw me off with her aggro approach.

[LinearPoint]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Well isnt that the point, swing at what we find sus?

Ya, but you're doing it with such reckless abandon it's more towny than not.



Talk to me about Michelle

I think logically speaking, Michelle is scum.

I misread her aggro tone as townie but i believe now that the reason she got aggro with me is because i caught her early.

So you are of the opinion that Michelle faked a derp clear saying that 3 Mafia is possible and that their reaction to being called out on the fake derp clear was to hard tunnel the accuser?

Do I have that right?

[Guillotine]

Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Well isnt that the point, swing at what we find sus?

Ya, but you're doing it with such reckless abandon it's more towny than not.



Talk to me about Michelle

I think logically speaking, Michelle is scum.

I misread her aggro tone as townie but i believe now that the reason she got aggro with me is because i caught her early.

So you are of the opinion that Michelle faked a derp clear saying that 3 Mafia is possible and that their reaction to being called out on the fake derp clear was to hard tunnel the accuser?

Do I have that right?

That among other things. Let me case her hold on.

[Guillotine]

Sorry I got distracted with other things, working on it now

[Guillotine]

Part 1

She votes me agreeing with Seanzie even though Seanzie didn't say a single word and even though she allegedly had the same reaction with the game state as I did as shown bellow.
This means her vote was not founded on a genuine believe. I believe she got baited and she tried to pocket seanzie by supporting his naked vote on me.

There is no way she as town realizes that I found the game death, she perceives the same and then votes me anyway.

Thread is dead, see you tomorrow

Zzzzzz

Thread remains dead

Boring

Bye

Work is done and wow... is this all?

@Michelle you had a similar reaction to the state of the game as i did.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

The Sean votes

See y'all tomorrow.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Then you voted.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Care to explain that progression?

[Guillotine]

Part 2

I don't believe that town!Michelle sees all the fluff posted by these players before I posted and expects anyone to solve based on that. Her reason to "suspect" me and vote me is fabricated.

Thread remains dead

Boring

Bye

This post shows the opposite of solving intent

Michelle, tell me how exactly you would have solved after reading these series of posts.

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Also I am going to bed. Good night.

Good morning! I am going to work...

Let's have a civilized war game!!!!

Hello friends. I am about to travel home from my hollybobs. I can't be bothered to figure out timezone changes so I'm not sure how much of the round I'll be present for, but it won't be much.

I've already listened to that video podcast and it's decent, by the way. The whole channel is pretty good.

Anyway bye.

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

My name is DrWilgy, Doctor of Doctors;
Look on my fraud, ye goober, and doober!

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

My name is DrWilgy, Doctor of Doctors;
Look on my fraud, ye goober, and doober!

Doctors? In this age? Sounds more like an excuse for grave robbing and legally cutting people's limbs off. This guy is suspicious, i don't trust him.

If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.

[Guillotine]

Part 3

I don't believe town!michelle does not read the OP to realize the game is closed and and proceeds to make this question bellow. As town, she reads the set up to be prepared.
Here michelle tried to fake a derp about not knowing the setup.

How many mafia we have in this game?

And then here she questions S-v-S why in a game of 10 players 3 scum would be unbalanced, this is fake, she hosts games at her homesite, she's played many games here, MU and Deck Mafia, she knows about balance.
This is also a fake derp attempt.

How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Why would be 3 unbalanced?

[Guillotine]

The bit town sided comment bellow comes from a wolf perspective, for town it should be normal, for scum, 2 would feel overwhelming, which also begs the question, why would Michelle feel overwhelmed? Maybe she is with a partner who is also not good at wolfing? or maybe she is scum against townies that can really read her?

Part 4

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

Then bellow notice her answer (that i sized-up for easy view) to my question?
It is obvious that I was asking her about her contribution at the time in the game. All she had to say is to accept that she didn't contribute either but she brushed off with legal OG info. This is minor but still, I didn't like her playing dumb missing what I was really asking.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Now I'll feel weird because I'm third, but I also agree.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

So the votes are because you disagree the thread was dead and boring or?

You chose to not make it less boring.

The boring state was on everyone who posted not just me.

I at least bait you guys into reacting to me, what did you do before that?

I worked.

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

2 is the standard ratio in a 10 player game and you know it, you are not new to mafia, derp clear rejected.

Standard? Who cares about standard?
Who asked for derp clear? Be serious, my friend!

Stop acting like a newbie if you want me to townread you. Derps are not asked, they are hunted for.

Whatever, I don't want derp clears. Never.

Bellow she treats me like she knows Im town

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

2 is the standard ratio in a 10 player game and you know it, you are not new to mafia, derp clear rejected.

Standard? Who cares about standard?
Who asked for derp clear? Be serious, my friend!

You are gonna tell me that a Heist game is not usually standard here Michelle?

Is this a question you expect an answer for and you honestly think my answer would give you a revelation about my AI?

I am affraid of a tricky-er setup and I don't want to consider the wolves are 2 when they can be 3.
Do whatever you like with this, but if this is your 'case' on me that I play dumb and derping, and if you are town, you should think again.

Bellow she treats me like she knows Im town

I won’t answer further Guillo.

I said I am not a powerwolf like you but I have my own style, who works for my personality, that's why I can't play like you.

If you consider me a scared cat, ok, be my guest, I don't really care, but in this case why on earth do you tunnel me every single game?

To force to towntell

Pfft...

#Idontbelieveyou.gif

The truth is you can't read me. Just accept it.

I'm taking your advice, I'm considering that you are scum whom brave up to face me, thank you for the illumination.

Made me laugh

What did?

Their first post.
It was funny for me

Prove it

Prove what?

The coloured text.

Ppfff. Michelle, we both know that i have said many time that you are one of the best players as town but no so much as scum. We had a talk about this in the deck mafia game i hosted for you, the one with atomic bomb card remember? You said to me that you ate not a powerwolf like me and i told you that could be if you just played like your town self.

We both know you are not comfortable getting aggro against town, you are too afraid, you are a chicken as a wolf.

I personally feel your argument is a tad offensive to Michelle. Even assuming you are right that they are too scared to bus their partner, I don't see why you would rule out them potentially growing or trying new wolf strategies.
Not to mention there are other reasons to not bus, like just having more votes that are wolf aligned or just not wanting to lose outright to a random cop checkup.
I certainly do not think your meta argument ever holds any water here.

Michelle knows very well that what i say never comes from an intent to offend her and thst is all thst matters to me.

I know you mean no offense, but that doesn’t make your take closer to my meta and what I know about myself.
Anyway let's not drag this further.

My last wolf game is at MU and I have a few recent games in the data base. I just played here a town game and the most recent wolf game here was in december iirc. For links, I can search in the morning.

[LinearPoint]

@Guillotine Are you currently scum reading Wilgy? I was mostly curious since Wilgy also had voted with Seanize at the same time Michelle was doing and I recall you mentioning that Wilgy was flip-floppy with their reading of you.

I'm thinking Wilgy looks a bit worse than Michelle in this situation. Mostly due to the fact Wilgy is more or less letting you just go at Michelle here when the same argument you are presenting also applies to Wilgy. There was also the point that Wilgy agreed with me on Town reading Michelle, whom I jotted down that Wilgy was scum reading early. And despite as of post #149 Wilgy moving over to Town reading Michelle, they have seemed content to allow you to just go after her freely, unquestioned.

I asked Wilgy the question earlier about what they would read me and Falcon as if both SVS and you were Town. They were adamant that falcon would always be Town, even if it turns out they are currently leading a mischop, but were not willing to say I was Mafia or Town either way in that same scenario.


To me with what you were saying about Wilgy earlier and their answer to my question I think they might be scum hedging their bets a bit and trying not to get too in the way of anyone spearheading a vote.

[LinearPoint]

This is my current developed reads.

Michelle and Guillotine as Town. (I've already said my reasons for both. Despite their going hard on each other, I don't feel like there is a wolf in there)

Town lean on Seanzie and Falcon. (I do wish Seanzie and Falcon would post more so I could get a better idea, but their first impression on both are pretty town)

Wolf lean on Wilgy. (I have been kind of lightly town and wolf reading this all day. I know they are a strong wolf player so I'm hesitant to write off their activity as Townie. They haven't felt too gamesolvey so far though and mostly just seem to be existing and giving their opinions. A town thing to do for sure, but none of them have felt the same kind of energy or depth I am getting form Falcon, Guillotine, or Michelle)

Main wolf suspect S~V~S (though I'm mostly waiting on their response to my initial accusation)

Obviously MR and Epignosis would need to post more than an introduction to be read.

[Guillotine]

Part 5
Preflips Associations

This is a pocket on Seanzie, Seanzie town.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

This is when it gets tricky because i could accuse DrWilgy of the same exact thing I'm accusing Michelle for but what is giving a headache is?
Why would two wolves pile on me, with the same trash logic, for the same trash reasons?
I've never seen scum doing that.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Now I'll feel weird because I'm third, but I also agree.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Why do you agree with me?

Technically, we agree with Sean.

It's easy to bored post, it's hard to create game momentum.

Guillo observed game momentum was needed and chose the easy option.

And when i said tricky is because this post exists where if Michelle is scum, she TMIed Seanzie and DrWilgy villagers here.

If Guillo is mafia he is voted by 3 villas and he choose me because he knows me better and hopes he can switch my read.

And this shade from DrWilgy on Michelle is very unpairing!!!

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

Feels wolfy in perspective.

Arguing bored while voting Guillo for bored posting.

And last but not least, town!Michelle never townleans people unless she really have grounds for it, she never throws townleans as show in red bellow.
In my opinion, she is already in anti-spew mode!

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

See y'all tomorrow.

I agree with Sean

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Why?

Keep reading, there's the explanation of how I saw Guillo not helping town by that

Do you have any thoughts on anyone else besides Guillotine?

Yes, I do have.
I posted a reads list.
Wilgy has a good tone when talking to Falcon and Guillo, and also shared a good amount of content, Falcon is focused on solving which is a villagery point. I don't know you but the way you're nitpicking the things seems like you search for the truth not for agenda.

Cat was funny, Sean voted first, Epi was cool, I would like to give them a town lean for each

SVS, I am waiting for her answer.

Did I miss anyone?

I think your sus on them is not all that strong, especially when the day started as people were going to sleep.
Although with that note, I do want to hear your thoughts on this post. Since you said you didn't like that Guillotine was not creating content, yet they came out later and said they were trying to rille people up to talk about Guillotine. Seems contradictory to your original sus read, so I was wonder if you have changed it, found a new reason to sus Guillotine, or have work that post into your previous world view of Guillotine.

Now that you make me think at it:
His claimed intention is not contradictory with my perception at all.
He said he acted like that for content but he has no conclusion based on that, except I am a wolf because allegedly I should know a heist game have 2 mafia in 10 players and if I suspect there can be 3 then I have unclear intentions to switch the thread to mech talks, so I am his suspect.
I think he talked more than I did about mechanics in his posts against me and he didn't post conclusions based on his 'test' which comes in contradiction with it being a real test.

[LinearPoint]

There is also cat. I don't know. I read their initial comments on Guillotine as potentially just scum echoing other's accusations,but Wilgy and Guillotine both read that as Town, so I think I may have just misread their tone.

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine Are you currently scum reading Wilgy? I was mostly curious since Wilgy also had voted with Seanize at the same time Michelle was doing and I recall you mentioning that Wilgy was flip-floppy with their reading of you.

I'm thinking Wilgy looks a bit worse than Michelle in this situation. Mostly due to the fact Wilgy is more or less letting you just go at Michelle here when the same argument you are presenting also applies to Wilgy. There was also the point that Wilgy agreed with me on Town reading Michelle, whom I jotted down that Wilgy was scum reading early. And despite as of post #149 Wilgy moving over to Town reading Michelle, they have seemed content to allow you to just go after her freely, unquestioned.

I asked Wilgy the question earlier about what they would read me and Falcon as if both SVS and you were Town. They were adamant that falcon would always be Town, even if it turns out they are currently leading a mischop, but were not willing to say I was Mafia or Town either way in that same scenario.


To me with what you were saying about Wilgy earlier and their answer to my question I think they might be scum hedging their bets a bit and trying not to get too in the way of anyone spearheading a vote.

Yes I can see this but I'm having a tough time that wilgy/michelle would make themselves s blatantly obvious scum, specially because I've played with both and what I perceived from Wilgy is that he has more experience scumming than Michelle.
I wouldn't be opposed to lynch either of them to clear the other.

[Guillotine]

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

[Michelle]

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

The fake case on me and this choice is what demonstrates that Guillo is a wolf if SVS is a wolf. Is the idea of approving the mate wagon but showing a solve completely off wagons.
I am not betting the game on Wilgy being town but I know I am town and what Guillo wants here is to divert the attention from him

I don't read the case throughly because is night here (2:30am) but I noticed he started being furios because I was not pocketed by him.

The fact I said he can't read me is a choice of words coming from old games when he misread me as town because he came with certainty of meta knowledge I know is just his wrong perception.

I can't work with someone who replicates on purpose the town game but pushes agenda so clearly, he proposed me to push Wilgy together to save him and SVS, the current wagons, and after accused me I want to save SVS, preflipping her mafia..

Scum has little options in this game and one is to make town busy by making a tunnel.
I was myself in that position as wolf, I hiperposted against the most vocal of my accusers and made the D1 a total war.

Guillo genuinely thinks I am a good villager so his only choice is to keep my voice lower than his, but he doesn't know I've seen this type of player already many times and I know the pattern after observing many similar tunnels.
I played lately with a violent gang and that's why I came back here to heal my soul wounded by a thread full of aggresive players like Guillo

The fact is, he said his behaviour was a kind of test to see how people answers and after I said I don't trust his test he denied the existence of it.

I don't trust that post was a bait to observe scum behaviour because there was no immediat positive or negative conclusion/questions and he came back only after he received a wagon of 3 votes on him.

I am not willing to accept his meta read on me who is faked because Guillo don't know well my scum meta and I can prove it, and his progression went after my vote like this:
1 - Michelle is scum because she faked a derp
2.- Michelle is town because this is her town game
3 - Michelle is scum because (writes walls).

Meta is the easiest way to push and pocket for a wolf. His intent was to pocket me by posting the meta but his use of meta is similar with a wolf who already knows what the conclusion of the meta read he needs.

I am convinced now that his meta case on me town is as fake as his cases on me scum, sorry guys reading him town, that's not it.

Going back to sleep now, it took me one hour to write on phone and no one posted in this time.

[Michelle]

This was the pocket attempt from Guillo

Now will you stop tunneling back and help catch wolves or what Michelle.

I still believe Wilgy is scum, he flip flops a lot on me.

And the reads list as well

Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I said no

Guillo, I don't SR Wigly


And I don't trust your test, so my vote stays

He restarted the tunnel

What if Michelle is scum with SvS though.

Michelle, did you react to the bussing accusation from SvS?

There's no need to react at that, did you react at her suspecting you?


The above posts came pretty fast one after the other and how Guillo puts only me as TR and only for meta reasons shows agenda fmpov

What he said, that he misread me only in the hydra with Wisdom P#188 (i don't have a hydra with Wisdom, btw) is wrong. This year MU Anni is just a proof he lies.

.

Talking about post 188 don't call me sweety if you want to remain friends @Guillotine

[Michelle]

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[Epignosis]

If I recall correctly, all that's left of Ozymandias is an inscribed pedestal and his feet, right? Maybe I'll save the despair for some other game.

This is an awkward start time for me, I'm unlikely to be here EOD. I guess I expected overnight catchup to be more time consuming. I should have time to watch the video instead.

I do not mind this sort of entrance post. I think the word "instead" is weird, but I think I get it.

How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Nothing wrong with this post in a vacuum either.

In context, I think Michelle's question is a little too much to take seriously. Michelle has played a long time and even said of playing with S~V~S: "Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted."

I believe Michelle would know the number is "two" and never one or three.

The question and answer happened so quickly together.

I think a civilian S~V~S would have waited it out to see how others would have responded to Michelle's question before weighing in (or responding at all). It's such a softball interaction.

LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo

I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?

I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Why would be 3 unbalanced?

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

I don't understand this at all. At what point was Michelle getting "aggro?"

How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Why would be 3 unbalanced?

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.

Nothing wrong with this, but quoting it for later.

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

Good S~V~S engages with Michelle to find out what Michelle meant rather than talking to someone else about it and then assigning her own meaning to Michelle's post.

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Why would be 3 unbalanced?

@S~V~S is this the post you are referring to as shade in?

No the one I quoted, where she said “fight me” to someone else since she said that after I called her aggro lol

More making fun than shading, maybe like :P

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

2 is a bit town sided.

Fight me, I am bored ^^

@falcon45ca even she thought she was sounding a bit aggro ^^ eh?

Although she might have been shading me, she made this post after the one I made implying she was sounding a tad aggro.

@Michelle Are you aggro?






We all have heard players say 'fight me I'm bored', and we've all seen players actually get aggro....the two are not the same






SVS is making mountains of molehills






[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Am I?

I don't intend to. I have no idea how that is an aggression.

The ^^ is an emote sign, similar to so for me it had a joking tone.

That was: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:00 am

Nine minutes later.

I noted multiple "^^" in S~V~S's posts. They just stood out to me. It's almost like an inside joke between Michelle and S~V~S knowing they don't have a chance in this game, so screw it, have fun. I believe S~V~S is gassed as mafia. I believe Michelle doesn't like to be mafia.

@falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?

I don't know what word S~V~S is referring to. She doesn't say. Again, there's nothing to figure falcon out and a weird question about Michelle.

@falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?

I mean, I kinda saw it too.

I think assumption of aggro from Michelle was somewhat overplaced, I do think W's are immediately more aware or easier to perceive pushes against them. i.e. aggro.

The staccato way she said it felt almost accusatory to me, it’s how I read her tone, I’m a tone reader

It’s not something I necessarily associate with bad Michelle (for me my bad Michelle reference point was Anni, where she was not aggro). This was more an observation as I was a bit taken aback by how she got in my face over it. She asked a throwaway question (unless the host clarifies, who knows?) I gave a throwaway answer (again, who knows?) and she got in my face about it.

In the last game I played with town Falcon he susses town me for word choice. I mean, this is all over one word which tbh I still find valid in the context in which I used it.

In any case I don’t think I’m the one mountain/molehilling.

@LinearPoint havent read your post just kinda skimmed, I’ll get back to you after work.

I believe S~V~S and Michelle are mafia.

[Guillotine]

This was the pocket attempt from Guillo

Now will you stop tunneling back and help catch wolves or what Michelle.

I still believe Wilgy is scum, he flip flops a lot on me.

And the reads list as well

Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I said no

Guillo, I don't SR Wigly


And I don't trust your test, so my vote stays

He restarted the tunnel

What if Michelle is scum with SvS though.

Michelle, did you react to the bussing accusation from SvS?

There's no need to react at that, did you react at her suspecting you?


The above posts came pretty fast one after the other and how Guillo puts only me as TR and only for meta reasons shows agenda fmpov

What he said, that he misread me only in the hydra with Wisdom P#188 (i don't have a hydra with Wisdom, btw) is wrong. This year MU Anni is just a proof he lies.

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Talking about post 188 don't call me sweety if you want to remain friends @Guillotine

Why cant i be town he does not remember anni?

[Guillotine]

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

The fake case on me and this choice is what demonstrates that Guillo is a wolf if SVS is a wolf. Is the idea of approving the mate wagon but showing a solve completely off wagons.
I am not betting the game on Wilgy being town but I know I am town and what Guillo wants here is to divert the attention from him

I don't read the case throughly because is night here (2:30am) but I noticed he started being furios because I was not pocketed by him.

The fact I said he can't read me is a choice of words coming from old games when he misread me as town because he came with certainty of meta knowledge I know is just his wrong perception.

I can't work with someone who replicates on purpose the town game but pushes agenda so clearly, he proposed me to push Wilgy together to save him and SVS, the current wagons, and after accused me I want to save SVS, preflipping her mafia..

Scum has little options in this game and one is to make town busy by making a tunnel.
I was myself in that position as wolf, I hiperposted against the most vocal of my accusers and made the D1 a total war.

Guillo genuinely thinks I am a good villager so his only choice is to keep my voice lower than his, but he doesn't know I've seen this type of player already many times and I know the pattern after observing many similar tunnels.
I played lately with a violent gang and that's why I came back here to heal my soul wounded by a thread full of aggresive players like Guillo

The fact is, he said his behaviour was a kind of test to see how people answers and after I said I don't trust his test he denied the existence of it.

I don't trust that post was a bait to observe scum behaviour because there was no immediat positive or negative conclusion/questions and he came back only after he received a wagon of 3 votes on him.

I am not willing to accept his meta read on me who is faked because Guillo don't know well my scum meta and I can prove it, and his progression went after my vote like this:
1 - Michelle is scum because she faked a derp
2.- Michelle is town because this is her town game
3 - Michelle is scum because (writes walls).

Meta is the easiest way to push and pocket for a wolf. His intent was to pocket me by posting the meta but his use of meta is similar with a wolf who already knows what the conclusion of the meta read he needs.

I am convinced now that his meta case on me town is as fake as his cases on me scum, sorry guys reading him town, that's not it.

Going back to sleep now, it took me one hour to write on phone and no one posted in this time.

*Sighs*

This is town Michelle though.

She just fears im scum trying to mislynch her, she fears my scum game.

Fair, im a formidable player as scum but im town and your stubborness to try to understand our point of view will cost us the game if we reach F3.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: S-V-S] aubergine

[Guillotine]

The solve here for scum is Wilgy/SVS

[Epignosis]

S~V~S is almost certainly mafia regardless.

She let herself get into a defensive position, which is not her way, and I think she's just tired. I understand that. Nine posts without trying to figure anybody out is not civilian S~V~S on Day 1. This is Day 1 survival.

[Epignosis]

The solve here for scum is Wilgy/SVS

No it isn't.

It's you and S~V~S.

[Epignosis]

Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

[Guillotine]

Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

Fine, help me bus my partner and then lynch me for the win, go!

[Guillotine]

This game got boring again.

[Guillotine]

Hello! Im mafia!

Anyone here?

Awooo awooooo!

[Guillotine]

Guys! Im lolcatting



Where are you? Catch me while you can!

[Epignosis]

What's my alignment, Guillotine?

[Guillotine]

Why is everyone not here while i can be active.

[Guillotine]

What's my alignment, Guillotine?

Town

[Epignosis]

Why is everyone not here while i can be active.

Why are you ignoring everything on this page that links you to S~V~S?

[Guillotine]

Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

And I would vote out SvS as self preservation if the wagons remain like this until EoD, but I'd prefer one in Michelle/Wilgy

You don't require permission to vote out S~V~S if the first post is real. It isn't. You're a liar. You're mafia.

Because this does look sus, although, yes, svs is in my scum pile but if i had it my way i would resolve between Wilgy/Michelle, but Michelle is town so just Wilgy, that is what is implied there.m

[Guillotine]

Why is everyone not here while i can be active.

Why are you ignoring everything on this page that links you to S~V~S?

Im not, you are right, from a town pov it looks like a massive inconsistency at first glance

[Epignosis]

I think S~V~S is still the right call for Day 1. If anyone objects, let me know.

[Guillotine]

Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

[Guillotine]

@Seanzie where are thou?

[Epignosis]

Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

[Epignosis]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I dont see the benefit of talking about me h on day 1 other than allowing wolves try to blend in with it, i wanna catch them slipping, i want to take their hopes of winning early, i want to crash their chances, i want them to feel suffocated by having to make reads on people, i want them to associate with people.

I'll take "Posts That Didn't Age Well" for 300, Alex.