Tbh, the only reason I didn't discuss nanook was because he's always on the low end of the postcount and I assumed scum expected as much. Scotty was a highposter, so scum would naturally prefer to kill scotty over nook if they're both town, not necessarily because of read accuracy but because of perceived threat level due to post count.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:14 amLooks like a scum ability yeah.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:01 amI'm confused, so those of us who didn't place votes by eod got assigned to Scotty, me, Robyn, and Wilgy? I assumed it was just on scotty but this is wild. Particularly because that's 6 extra votes but only 5 non-voters. So the vote manipulator is likely not one of the nonvoters (voting was mandatory anyway, so that wouldn't have been a possible mechanic to force someone not to vote).RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:04 amVote Count
Scotty - (6) 3+ Voters: Bereft, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Lilypetal
Porscha - (4) Voters: Boquise, Lime Coke, EnderWiggin,
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - (3) Voters: Marmot, robyn, Long Con
WindwardAway - (2) 1 + Voters: Scotty
robyn - (2) 1+ Voters: Cape90
Lilypetal - (1) Voters: S~V~S
Dr Wilgy - (1) 1 + :Voters:
No one - Game is over we have won - (0)
Invalid - (5) Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Seanzie, Porscha, Windward Away, DrWilgy
Also yeah, this answers my question about how many voters there were on Porscha in comparison.
So there are two ways to look at this:
1. Porscha is scum and the scumteam manipulated the votes to ensure her survival.
2. Porscha is town and the scumteam manipulated the votes to trick us into thinking she's scum.
Discuss.
Lets also add this into the variable.
"Scum preferred Scotty dying over Nanook".
I think this becomes a thing of occam's razors.
Is there a limit to this ability? An X usage? In that case, if the wagons were t vs t vs t, then theres no point in using it.
There is also no point in using this ability regardless of X usages, if the wagons are t vs t vs t. Why show a card for town so early? It will only make us better at planning things with our votes.
So in a t vs t vs t world, this ability is very unlikely to be used. I only see it happening if it is an automatic thing (but still, votes on Scotty over Nanook is a variable. Perhaps Nanook is regarded as more scummy? Therefore an easier misyeet in the future? Perhaps he'd lead a Porscha wagon tomorrow? True. But if Porscha flipped town here he'd look bad next day anyway, and Scotty is still pushable. Idk, I havent read all posts)
I feel decently okay with eliminating a t vs t vs t world.
With the information we currently have, we are then at
1 of Porscha/Nanook is scum.
It sucks to lose a teammate at D1. It would also instantly clear the voters on Porscha. So scum would need to protect her. It doesnt seem like this ability immediately incriminates anyone else, so it is pretty safe. Get a D1 misyeet, Porscha possibly dying D2 but with a chance to muddy the waters and perhaps either get Nanook or someone else entirely. Town forget easily. The caveat is that Scotty died over Nanook. Perhaps it would look too incriminating to have Nanook die there. It'd look like an obvious save... so if Porscha is town... why not just do that?
If Porscha is town, however, I can see why scum!Nanook would want her alive for another day. It means he can push her tomorrow, he wont have to face as much scrutinity as he'd face D2 if Porscha flipped town today. Scum team gets 2 misyeets in a row and enters D3. This could be important depending on scum's other abilities. If Like I said, Scotty dying over Porscha could indicate that scum wants Nanook to keep pushing Porscha tomorrow. Tho I wonder why scum!Nanook wouldnt just go for his pet tunnel and try to bs his way through D2 instead of getting Scotty.
Should probably read the reads Scotty revealed whilst being alive.
Occam's razors feel atm Porscha scum > Nanook scum.
Feel free to peck holes in my theorycraft tbh
Also, if porscha is scum, I wouldn't clear all of her voters if the manipulation is a scum ability. They could safely have one of their own vote her while knowing it won't be enough to kill her, since they can manipulate. Or at least that's how I'm viewing it. That being said, no, I don't think all of the scum would pile on their partner because then town can control the dog pile.