Severance [Evening Four]

[Gira]

I should probably objectively be near lock town. Very few people will make this read, while many can.

now i'm pocketed

[WindwardAway]

I feel like I'm talking out of my ass and should probably go to sleep.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Good night lol.

seems me calling you beautiful has pocketed u

No, but I think you're townier than Bereft because I literally cannot read him rn

should i give you a massage?

Only if it's magically gonna help me read Bereft

no but it’ll make your back and shoulders better, maybe lower back too

I could definitely have used a massage on the weekend but I'm fine for now lol

[WindwardAway]

I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

[leetic]

I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

What makes you feel that? If you have no leads, why post that?

[WindwardAway]

Maybe I just think that because it's objectively easier for me to solve people who are talking than to solve people who are not talking

And with that, I've reached my thinking quota for now

Be back in the morning with more thoughts, I hope

[WindwardAway]

I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

What makes you feel that? If you have no leads, why post that?

People ask me why I post my thought vomit every single game
The answer is, I don't fucking know.

[WindwardAway]

I mean I have no leads at all on any of my solving so far, so why post reads? Why even bother solving?

[robyn]

I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

maybe i should give u a massage

[Ranmilia]

Night Wind <3
I have. thoughts on some stuff from you today but. Ask me when you're back.

[WindwardAway]

But to answer the question on why I feel like there must be a fairly active wolf in the thread, it's pretty rare I see games in which the entire wolf team is in the lowposters with no real content.

I saw it happen once a couple years ago and the entire wolf team endgamed and won because town tore itself apart, and I saw it happen recently in Rondo's flipless game because two wolves got modkilled for going completely afk and only one was left trying to pick up all the pieces, and even he lost a lot of drive because his team essentially yeeted itself.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also think us seeing Robyn as suspicious is perhaps indicative that they are town. Or perhaps that Robyn is and they are not.

Wait til Leetic shows up to call this fluff

[WindwardAway]

Night Wind <3
I have. thoughts on some stuff from you today but. Ask me when you're back.

Will do

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac Towned gira and it’s day one so I’ll be looking to move

What's your read on Mac?

No clue

[pyxxy]

oh

okay yeah, that's an all time first season

[TonyStarkPrime]

Something isn’t right here

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

wat

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or maybe Mac’s right and it’s just Robyn but like

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

wat

What do you mean wat

[robyn]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

we had a rule, no playing while wasted

[robyn]

Or maybe Mac’s right and it’s just Robyn but like

ah i was right about u being impaired

[TonyStarkPrime]

maybe I am

[robyn]

maybe I am

give me a full readslist so i can try to imagine what possible sensible worldview you’ve converted yourself into

[robyn]

maybe I am

give me a full readslist so i can try to imagine what possible sensible worldview you’ve contorted yourself into

hate phone typing

[Ranmilia]

uh.

tsp what are your reads and general view of the game?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

[robyn]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

wat

What do you mean wat

where is this wind vote coming from

[pyxxy]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

[TonyStarkPrime]

Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

[robyn]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

yes he's towny
yes he can play like this as wolf
yes reading him like town off this is like rolling the dice on one of the strongest wolves here

tldr you need to see more from him, ie results

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

Hey those are my wolf reads

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nah I don’t think you’re a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

I can’t bring myself to think Leetic is a wolf either

[robyn]

Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

do tell

[TonyStarkPrime]

If we are going to roll the dice better to do it on Abigail imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

do tell

well duh (?)

[robyn]

Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

do tell

well duh (?)

i am mean like flesh out your reasoning as best as possible, it's not "duh" somehow

[robyn]

Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

leetic has less sauce than i do, if you wanted to know

wwa never has thread influence really unless they find a literal smoking gun, which won't be found anywhere, what they have correctly deduced is that the wolves in game are active and posting well

we're not limping into the bereft chop and i'm taking responsibility for it, i can lead a wolf team to glory, i can also lead a d1 chop to glory. besides who knows if that's what i'll do, or not do, or do again, or something

[TonyStarkPrime]

as long as you’re masoning in a game this size with players that strong wolves are gonna have to deal with that sooner rrather than later and Ran is self resolving anyways for prior reasons and yes not every player in the game can be self resolving

[Gira]

Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

if you were 50/50 with accuracy you would be one of the best players of all time /pedantry

people tend to greatly over-estimate the accuracy of reads, not just from themselves but from others
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@Gira A. y u scumread robyn? Like... not to overreact but I still feel very confident in them from probing into them earlier. They are a poor little meow meow and not doing anything I can identify as scummy. But mac and you are both going at them hard and neither of you are really saying why that I can see, so... someone is big wrong here.

B. What is your philosophy on the act of voting (in mafia)?

A. I feel like I've explained this, at least to the extent I want to, in terms lo signal to noise ratio, posting to seem present but not having many thoughts that come across as solving. posts since they started being pushed haven't moved the needle for me. I know that's probably vague, I don't feel like casing because I would not say that this is an especially confident read still, just the one I feel best about pushing at the moment.

B. votes are a tool. they create pressure, and pressure is one of the best ways to discern someone's alignment. in the environment I learned the game, voting early was customary, usually in an RVS stage, where i'd often try to go after someone for reactions early because i didn't like their opener, although that early attack approach backfired on me enough times that have abandoned it. in early games i'll move my vote around a lot as i pressure payers and then change my mind, late in games i think i tend to hold on to it more. I'm not someone who particularly cares about accuracy, sometimes the reaction you get from voting someone is the best way to find them as town. It's probably true that I tend to hold on to my vote more as scum, because I get cautious about who I'm pushing and don't want to do things that are potentially bad optics.

[robyn]

A. I feel like I've explained this, at least to the extent I want to, in terms lo signal to noise ratio, posting to seem present but not having many thoughts that come across as solving. posts since they started being pushed haven't moved the needle for me. I know that's probably vague, I don't feel like casing because I would not say that this is an especially confident read still, just the one I feel best about pushing at the moment.

two questions really bc i don't think that boise to content ratio is actually something to read me on

1) do you think i have difficulty in providing content as wolf?
2) do you think i normally around shovel this much shit into a thread?

[Ranmilia]

Wind is not a good vote in any world. Neither is robyn unless I am a gigantic clown, but I am at a loss of how to further engage on that beyond going "please read d0 where I interrogated them to head off this exact thing where people say they can't read robyn".

Gira- I agree with that philosophy, it is mine as well. But then why did you ask about my vote on dizzy?

[robyn]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6633000

read this game gira, from this post ideally so you see the sheer content to shit ratio completely inverted

[Gira]

A. I feel like I've explained this, at least to the extent I want to, in terms lo signal to noise ratio, posting to seem present but not having many thoughts that come across as solving. posts since they started being pushed haven't moved the needle for me. I know that's probably vague, I don't feel like casing because I would not say that this is an especially confident read still, just the one I feel best about pushing at the moment.

two questions really bc i don't think that boise to content ratio is actually something to read me on

1) do you think i have difficulty in providing content as wolf?
2) do you think i normally around shovel this much shit into a thread?

i think you provide less content if you can get away with it. i'm not sure what you mean by the second question but i'm not sure what difference it makes.

do you think i should be reading you as town? if so, why?

Wind is not a good vote in any world. Neither is robyn unless I am a gigantic clown, but I am at a loss of how to further engage on that beyond going "please read d0 where I interrogated them to head off this exact thing where people say they can't read robyn".

Gira- I agree with that philosophy, it is mine as well. But then why did you ask about my vote on dizzy?

hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

[robyn]

i think you provide less content if you can get away with it. i'm not sure what you mean by the second question but i'm not sure what difference it makes.

do you think i should be reading you as town? if so, why?

you think content to sexual posts is indicative of my alignment

i am telling you i'm big game, can't be caught from such pedestrian methods such as a "twinktell"

i don't care what your read on me is really, but i will tell you if the reasoning is flawed, and this logic simply has no relation to my alignment. instead it depends on my mood

[Ranmilia]

hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

Certainly, but I made that vote literally when the voting opened, and given dizzy's sole contribution at that point was a driveby accusation of me I would think it should be self evident why. I'm not sure like... what you were expecting, overnight I was thinking about Gira scum worlds and wondering if you were serving me up a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of deal trying to will into existence a stronger read than I actually had. This is pretty relevant in dizzy town worlds. But now you have dizzy and I both town which goes against that.

Obviously I am not going to get you to examine worlds where yourself is scum so I'm not actually sure where I'm ending up with this. But perhaps the process will be helpful for process reader people.

[robyn]

mmmmmmmmmm

[robyn]

@Gira if you were mafia, who would u push

[Ranmilia]

btw robyn I completely forgot you were in that game as derpy nemo thank you for the reminder.