Severance [Evening Four]

[robyn]

btw robyn I completely forgot you were in that game as derpy nemo thank you for the reminder.

i strongly advise u to forget

[pyxxy]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

yes he's towny
yes he can play like this as wolf
yes reading him like town off this is like rolling the dice on one of the strongest wolves here

tldr you need to see more from him, ie results

isn't that what I said

[robyn]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

yes he's towny
yes he can play like this as wolf
yes reading him like town off this is like rolling the dice on one of the strongest wolves here

tldr you need to see more from him, ie results

isn't that what I said

i said something different

[Ranmilia]

[pyxxy]

I've resolved to solve macdougall

[leetic]

Sure, every player is self-resolving. We just have to wait for a wolf sweep and then we'll know everyone's alignments!

[leetic]

Although I should note that I probably won't be here at EoD, or if I am, it'll be sparingly. I'll be hanging out with a friend, and there's a game I'm hosting that I'll need to update at the same time (fortunately that should be the last update for that game). Thus, I'd like to get at least some stuff accomplished now.

[Gira]

hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

Certainly, but I made that vote literally when the voting opened, and given dizzy's sole contribution at that point was a driveby accusation of me I would think it should be self evident why. I'm not sure like... what you were expecting, overnight I was thinking about Gira scum worlds and wondering if you were serving me up a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of deal trying to will into existence a stronger read than I actually had. This is pretty relevant in dizzy town worlds. But now you have dizzy and I both town which goes against that.

Obviously I am not going to get you to examine worlds where yourself is scum so I'm not actually sure where I'm ending up with this. But perhaps the process will be helpful for process reader people.

lol okay you're fun

i guess i'll go pull quotes just toshow what i was thinking, content behind spoilers

Spoiler: show

you ignored dizzy the first time he called you wolfmilia, The second time went like this:

Wolfmilla.

Let Dizzy cook.

which is a pretty mild/flippant reaction. that was followed by this response to robyn:

>Who's a wolf you'd shoot right now if you could?

Dizzy

which was a little surprising given you didn't have much reaction to him prior to that. your explanation given to TSP was this:

Do I believe that Ran believes Dizzy is a wolf and would shoot him right now?

It's selfish, but every game there's some handful of people who just shout "wolfmilia!" and I give them way too much good faith, and then they just end up being like one townie and all the wolves. So I've resolved to stop doing that as much. Also it's uncharacteristic of dizzy as either alignment to be this flaccid.
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and then of course you opened the day by voting him.

and i wanted to track your thinking here, because it looked to me like you weren't reacting to diz like you thought he was scummy at first, but sometimes thinking can change over time, so I wanted to see why/when you decided to vote him.

hopefuly actually seeing the posts i was looking at makes it make sense?

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@Gira if you were mafia, who would u push

idk probably rondo or something, i'd just go for whoever is the safest target, maybe pyxxy because i could probably get away with it. pushing mac would be a deathwish, i can't push wind because doing so would functionally out me, leetic would probably be fun to argue with but he's the type of player where as scum you let him tear apart the town for you, and i would probably try to avoid insomnia so that would limit my options pretty strongly.

i finished a recent scumgame on the org where i played like pure trash if you actually care about meta, was basically impossible for me to find a good push

[leetic]

[VOTE: RDB] aubergine stands out as the person with the least reason to townread them (besides the supposedly "self resolving" Bereft). Looking at their ISO, it's just a bunch of "notice me MacDougall" and a OMGUS vote with no further elaboration.

[leetic]

Also, Abby seems to be the only player who isn't voting anyone. They never struck me as the kind of player to be particularly prudent with where they're voting, so this does strike me as a little odd.

[leetic]

I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

[Ranmilia]

hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

Certainly, but I made that vote literally when the voting opened, and given dizzy's sole contribution at that point was a driveby accusation of me I would think it should be self evident why. I'm not sure like... what you were expecting, overnight I was thinking about Gira scum worlds and wondering if you were serving me up a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of deal trying to will into existence a stronger read than I actually had. This is pretty relevant in dizzy town worlds. But now you have dizzy and I both town which goes against that.

Obviously I am not going to get you to examine worlds where yourself is scum so I'm not actually sure where I'm ending up with this. But perhaps the process will be helpful for process reader people.

lol okay you're fun

i guess i'll go pull quotes just toshow what i was thinking, content behind spoilers

Spoiler: show

you ignored dizzy the first time he called you wolfmilia, The second time went like this:

Wolfmilla.

Let Dizzy cook.

which is a pretty mild/flippant reaction. that was followed by this response to robyn:

>Who's a wolf you'd shoot right now if you could?

Dizzy

which was a little surprising given you didn't have much reaction to him prior to that. your explanation given to TSP was this:

Do I believe that Ran believes Dizzy is a wolf and would shoot him right now?

It's selfish, but every game there's some handful of people who just shout "wolfmilia!" and I give them way too much good faith, and then they just end up being like one townie and all the wolves. So I've resolved to stop doing that as much. Also it's uncharacteristic of dizzy as either alignment to be this flaccid.
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and then of course you opened the day by voting him.

and i wanted to track your thinking here, because it looked to me like you weren't reacting to diz like you thought he was scummy at first, but sometimes thinking can change over time, so I wanted to see why/when you decided to vote him.

hopefuly actually seeing the posts i was looking at makes it make sense?

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@Gira if you were mafia, who would u push

idk probably rondo or something, i'd just go for whoever is the safest target, maybe pyxxy because i could probably get away with it. pushing mac would be a deathwish, i can't push wind because doing so would functionally out me, leetic would probably be fun to argue with but he's the type of player where as scum you let him tear apart the town for you, and i would probably try to avoid insomnia so that would limit my options pretty strongly.

i finished a recent scumgame on the org where i played like pure trash if you actually care about meta, was basically impossible for me to find a good push

Ahhhh I see. I see two things.
1. I was responding to abigail not robyn. you are now the third person to have outright missed that. I have learned a valuable lesson about including quotes.
2. The first "wolfmilia" could've been a reaction test or joke which I didn't want to immediately snap back at. Then dizzy doubled down (for the moment) and left the thread, so, welp.

[Gira]

yooo who's up for a MU Anni D1 re-enactment

[leetic]

I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: Abigail[/unvote] serious read] aubergine

[leetic]

[VOTE: Abigail[/unvote] serious read] aubergine

[VOTE:

Do elaborate.] aubergine

[leetic]

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine serious read

Do elaborate.

Wow, that formatting is broken. FIFY

[Gira]

Ahhhh I see. I see two things.
1. I was responding to abigail not robyn. you are now the third person to have outright missed that. I have learned a valuable lesson about including quotes.
2. The first "wolfmilia" could've been a reaction test or joke which I didn't want to immediately snap back at. Then dizzy doubled down (for the moment) and left the thread, so, welp.

oh the first thing is entirely on me misremembering the thread and being too lazy to actually go check it, whoops, i should actually read stuff before running my mouth

anyway noted on the second point

[Gira]

i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

[leetic]

i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

Elaborate on both of these please.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

[TonyStarkPrime]

Well ok pyxxy is also a standard D1 MDF

[TonyStarkPrime]

But point basically holds

[leetic]

Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

Can you define what you mean by "standarx(sic) potential day 1 mischops"?

[Gira]

i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

Elaborate on both of these please.

tsp's recent posts show an active thought process about that game and believable paranoia/uncertainty

mac is doing mac things and the way he got confrontational is a classic pillar of his town game, nothing to dislike about his recent posting spree

[leetic]

But point basically holds

So your point, I assume, is that if Abby was town they'd be more likely to get votes. But the votes are split between like six people right now, is it really that shady that one person gets left behind? And if you think that the wolf of that group is least likely to get votes, is that an insinuation that you think wolves are leading the discussion?

[Ranmilia]

Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

didn't you list off a bunch of people as "i policy won't vote for them d1"?

[Gira]

Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

wow harsh on insomna tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

Alright, its lunch time, what is going on? People actually going to respond to me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

didn't you list off a bunch of people as "i policy won't vote for them d1"?

I’m a contrarian at heart

[leetic]

Alright, its lunch time, what is going on? People actually going to respond to me?

What exactly is in your ISO to respond to?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Didn't I hard townread you the last time you were wolfing and I was town? It was in that travesty of an FoL game where town didn't really put effort into anything, you wolfed with Luka, and Arctic and I correctly towncored each other and got mislunched consecutively by people who thought we were partnered and defending each other.

I'm pretty sure I've pocketed you under multiple accounts as wolf but I only do that cause you have thread control and scare me lol

I have zero thread control on this forum lol
I only have thread control on FoL because I was their champs rep last year and the newbies remember that and cower in fear
Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

I don't think that's always true. I wolfed against you on this forum under the name Zenon and I defs pocketed you because people were following you

Ok actually that's true lol, I forgot about that game
Everyone else was pushing you but you were pocketing me so I defended you lol

Your the only reason I won that game

I am a lot of reasons why wolves win games
And usually not when I'm a wolf, but sometimes

But I only did that cause I thought you were scary good

[TonyStarkPrime]

But like yeah there are categorical differences

[leetic]

I'm pretty sure I've pocketed you under multiple accounts as wolf but I only do that cause you have thread control and scare me lol

I have zero thread control on this forum lol
I only have thread control on FoL because I was their champs rep last year and the newbies remember that and cower in fear
Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

I don't think that's always true. I wolfed against you on this forum under the name Zenon and I defs pocketed you because people were following you

Ok actually that's true lol, I forgot about that game
Everyone else was pushing you but you were pocketing me so I defended you lol

Your the only reason I won that game

I am a lot of reasons why wolves win games
And usually not when I'm a wolf, but sometimes

But I only did that cause I thought you were scary good

Why aren't you voting anybody?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I hate to do this but I'm gonna quote leetic here and point out that Rondo's entry felt unplanned in a towny sort of way

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Guys I'm drunk

Oops

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: RDB] aubergine stands out as the person with the least reason to townread them (besides the supposedly "self resolving" Bereft). Looking at their ISO, it's just a bunch of "notice me MacDougall" and a OMGUS vote with no further elaboration.

lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like I'm talking out of my ass and should probably go to sleep.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Good night lol.

seems me calling you beautiful has pocketed u

No, but I think you're townier than Bereft because I literally cannot read him rn

should i give you a massage?

Hot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm ashamed to say I still don't have any particularly strong scumreads, and by admitting this, I lose the chance to push someone for pressure, but it's not like I felt like doing it more today since I already pressured the hell out of leetic on d0.

Imagine having a scum read

[RondoDimBuckle]

yooo who's up for a MU Anni D1 re-enactment

wat

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

What makes you feel that? If you have no leads, why post that?

People ask me why I post my thought vomit every single game
The answer is, I don't fucking know.

Stream of consciousness good keep do

[RondoDimBuckle]

I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

HAhahaha. [VOTE: neon ] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

we had a rule, no playing while wasted

Oops

[RondoDimBuckle]

also please dont call me RDB, I almost missed the fact that you were talking about me. Rondo is coolio with me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

Don't worry I won't ask you for wirher

[leetic]

I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

HAhahaha. [VOTE: neon ] aubergine

So when called out on your vote, you just switch with no elaboration? Also, did TSP influence your choice of target?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also, Abby seems to be the only player who isn't voting anyone. They never struck me as the kind of player to be particularly prudent with where they're voting, so this does strike me as a little odd.

Ive seen them (Abby is Neon right?) miss 2 complete vote phases back to back

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If we are going to roll the dice better to do it on Abigail imo

But like why thoyg

I'm arguably way more useful than the other rands

[leetic]

Also, Abby seems to be the only player who isn't voting anyone. They never struck me as the kind of player to be particularly prudent with where they're voting, so this does strike me as a little odd.

Ive seen them (Abby is Neon right?) miss 2 complete vote phases back to back

What do you mean "back to back“? Are you referring to a different game?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Am I self resolving?