Severance [Workday Four]

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Did you get your free win??

Hmm?

All I do is win LC.

[DrWilgy]

I'd love a delta case that one could sink one's teeth into, not sales pitches and "robyn thought so"

I don't disagree with this and I kinda loathe Tutuu's push here.

Same. Its so very bleh that I want to cry about it.

[ilario]

yeah nvm i still think delta is town

so both lc's + delta v is where im at

[Scotty]

I see a lot of the same names that voted out Porscha voting out me as well.

Not me.

I see you’re up in arms about getting heat. I like that fire. I want to see it with your actual reads, because OMGUSing those that suspect you just makes me want to scumread you more.

Do you think i’m being disingenuous with my perspective in

[Scotty]

Since I'm probably the most consensus townread anyway, I'm going to claim a green peek on DarlingMonroe @Scotty @tutuu @Cape90 @Lime Coke

Yeah, that’s a pretty big ok from me dawg

[ilario]

[VOTE: potentialshervet] aubergine

might not be here for eod, will try and get in for the last 20 minutes if i can but just gonna drop a vote incase i cant. this wagon feels the most pure to me rn and also #fornutella

[Long Con]

What does everyone think of DarlingMonroe?

Why is no one talking about them? Their posts seem performative. Is it just me or

Blatantly and obviously town. I'd bet the whole game on it.

Man, if you say so.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

When someone makes declarative statements like this, I gotta listen, even tho

Then why aren't you voting Delta?

[Scotty]

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Ok if this’ll make clock out faster

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[Long Con]

Okay, well then there I go I guess

[Scotty]

Current vote count with ~4.5 hours left in D2:

Spoiler: show

Alexy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
2
13%
Voters: Cape90, Lime Coke
Delta
3
20%
Voters: tutuu, DrWilgy, Scotty
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
ilario
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
3
20%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, potentialsheltervet, Jackofhearts2005
potentialsheltervet
3
20%
Voters: ilario, Delta, Long Con
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

So

[Long Con]

Jack, maybe if you'd been a bit more patient then you would not have had to out yourself.

[Scotty]

Here’s where I’m at mech-wise, since no one asked:

-When a player in one thread dies, they gain BTSC with their doppel in other thread.
-I find it VERY unlikely balance-wise that linked players would ever both be wolves, so it stands to reason that tutuu/Robyn is not w/w.
-Mac and Nutella were both removed from the game, which stands to reason they were both linked, and both get removed from the game when their doppel dies. Mac was probably VT
-tutuu has held her cards very close to her chest, as Robyn had professed in limited fashion. They are the same role, as professed. I expected more sharing and less despondent/unsubstantiated labeling from tutuu in this matter. There is definitely a world in which tutuu is wolf, and is categorically running with the delta= scum angle Robyn put forth, knowing full well it will be a mislynch and is easily dismissible as Tutuu’s responsibility.
-Balance-wise, it doesn’t make sense for a player to retain their role/powers if they die and go to the other thread, as they can’t be voted/would be OP.
-There is a good chunk of VTs in this game, which me no likey tbh. That’s tangential and doesn’t actually affect the game more than I don’t like an abundance of VTs in a large, closed, role-madness inferred type of game.
-we have a claimed cop in Jack, so it stands to reason we probably have one in the other thread. I agree with tutuu that there’s more likely to be 6 wolves in this game, meaning probably 3 wolves in this group of 12. That’s 1/4, or 7/28, for those keeping score at

[DrWilgy]

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Ok if this’ll make clock out faster

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[Long Con]

Good mech, I think I agree with all of it

[tutuu]

Here’s where I’m at mech-wise, since no one asked:

-When a player in one thread dies, they gain BTSC with their doppel in other thread.
-I find it VERY unlikely balance-wise that linked players would ever both be wolves, so it stands to reason that tutuu/Robyn is not w/w.
-Mac and Nutella were both removed from the game, which stands to reason they were both linked, and both get removed from the game when their doppel dies. Mac was probably VT
-tutuu has held her cards very close to her chest, as Robyn had professed in limited fashion. They are the same role, as professed. I expected more sharing and less despondent/unsubstantiated labeling from tutuu in this matter. There is definitely a world in which tutuu is wolf, and is categorically running with the delta= scum angle Robyn put forth, knowing full well it will be a mislynch and is easily dismissible as Tutuu’s responsibility.
-Balance-wise, it doesn’t make sense for a player to retain their role/powers if they die and go to the other thread, as they can’t be voted/would be OP.
-There is a good chunk of VTs in this game, which me no likey tbh. That’s tangential and doesn’t actually affect the game more than I don’t like an abundance of VTs in a large, closed, role-madness inferred type of game.
-we have a claimed cop in Jack, so it stands to reason we probably have one in the other thread. I agree with tutuu that there’s more likely to be 6 wolves in this game, meaning probably 3 wolves in this group of 12. That’s 1/4, or 7/28, for those keeping score at

Im vt relax honey

Im not holding cards close to chest im just arffff mimimimimi

[Scotty]

Question to all:
-Is it even on the table to consider a scum cop in a setup? What would be needed to balance that out?
Regardless, scumjack has no need to claim right now. He’s set himself up to be a NK target too early

Also, the other side started with 13 people vs our 14, which stands to reason the 3p without a doppelgänger is in our thread.
Hard to hunt for a 3p in a closed setup, but perhaps mech will reveal itself. I’d be wary of seeming benign claims this point forward.

[Scotty]

Question to all:
-Is it even on the table to consider a scum cop in a setup? What would be needed to balance that out?
Regardless, scumjack has no need to claim right now. He’s set himself up to be a NK target too early

Also, the other side started with 13 people vs our 14, which stands to reason the 3p without a doppelgänger is in our thread.
Hard to hunt for a 3p in a closed setup, but perhaps mech will reveal itself. I’d be wary of seeming benign claims this point forward.

Especially

[Long Con]

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Ok if this’ll make clock out faster

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

But... isn't that what you did?

[Long Con]

Question to all:
-Is it even on the table to consider a scum cop in a setup? What would be needed to balance that out?
Regardless, scumjack has no need to claim right now. He’s set himself up to be a NK target too early

Also, the other side started with 13 people vs our 14, which stands to reason the 3p without a doppelgänger is in our thread.
Hard to hunt for a 3p in a closed setup, but perhaps mech will reveal itself. I’d be wary of seeming benign claims this point forward.

Scum Jack... would not be a nightkill target? You mean, like, perceptually one in the thread, necessitating hard questions after a few nights?

[Long Con]

Also, ha, no, I don't want to believe in a scum cop. A scum can fake being a cop just fine without a freaky role.

[Long Con]

Here’s where I’m at mech-wise, since no one asked:

-When a player in one thread dies, they gain BTSC with their doppel in other thread.
-I find it VERY unlikely balance-wise that linked players would ever both be wolves, so it stands to reason that tutuu/Robyn is not w/w.
-Mac and Nutella were both removed from the game, which stands to reason they were both linked, and both get removed from the game when their doppel dies. Mac was probably VT
-tutuu has held her cards very close to her chest, as Robyn had professed in limited fashion. They are the same role, as professed. I expected more sharing and less despondent/unsubstantiated labeling from tutuu in this matter. There is definitely a world in which tutuu is wolf, and is categorically running with the delta= scum angle Robyn put forth, knowing full well it will be a mislynch and is easily dismissible as Tutuu’s responsibility.
-Balance-wise, it doesn’t make sense for a player to retain their role/powers if they die and go to the other thread, as they can’t be voted/would be OP.
-There is a good chunk of VTs in this game, which me no likey tbh. That’s tangential and doesn’t actually affect the game more than I don’t like an abundance of VTs in a large, closed, role-madness inferred type of game.
-we have a claimed cop in Jack, so it stands to reason we probably have one in the other thread. I agree with tutuu that there’s more likely to be 6 wolves in this game, meaning probably 3 wolves in this group of 12. That’s 1/4, or 7/28, for those keeping score at

Im vt relax honey

Im not holding cards close to chest im just arffff mimimimimi

Is that a snoring sound?

[Scotty]

Question to all:
-Is it even on the table to consider a scum cop in a setup? What would be needed to balance that out?
Regardless, scumjack has no need to claim right now. He’s set himself up to be a NK target too early

Also, the other side started with 13 people vs our 14, which stands to reason the 3p without a doppelgänger is in our thread.
Hard to hunt for a 3p in a closed setup, but perhaps mech will reveal itself. I’d be wary of seeming benign claims this point forward.

Scum Jack... would not be a nightkill target? You mean, like, perceptually one in the thread, necessitating hard questions after a few nights?

Yeah, I guess that wasn’t explained well, but you got it. I mean, why would a scumjack claim cop this early if he doesn’t die after a few nights. He doesn’t

I know no one even suggested it, I’m just talking out loud

[Long Con]

-I find it VERY unlikely balance-wise that linked players would ever both be wolves, so it stands to reason that tutuu/Robyn is not w/w.

Wait, actually I don't know about this. What is the balance issue if the wolves are linked with wolves? I assumed that was the logical way to do things. But that was before I knew about timeshifting, which would allow for fast outing.... IF you knew the linked player.

[Long Con]

Question to all:
-Is it even on the table to consider a scum cop in a setup? What would be needed to balance that out?
Regardless, scumjack has no need to claim right now. He’s set himself up to be a NK target too early

Also, the other side started with 13 people vs our 14, which stands to reason the 3p without a doppelgänger is in our thread.
Hard to hunt for a 3p in a closed setup, but perhaps mech will reveal itself. I’d be wary of seeming benign claims this point forward.

Scum Jack... would not be a nightkill target? You mean, like, perceptually one in the thread, necessitating hard questions after a few nights?

Yeah, I guess that wasn’t explained well, but you got it. I mean, why would a scumjack claim cop this early if he doesn’t die after a few nights. He doesn’t

I know no one even suggested it, I’m just talking out loud

I think it's a good subject to discuss, even briefly.

[Scotty]

-I find it VERY unlikely balance-wise that linked players would ever both be wolves, so it stands to reason that tutuu/Robyn is not w/w.

Wait, actually I don't know about this. What is the balance issue if the wolves are linked with wolves? I assumed that was the logical way to do things. But that was before I knew about timeshifting, which would allow for fast outing.... IF you knew the linked player.

Hmmmmmm
Ok. Uno reverse.

In that case, I would expect all wolves to be linked with their counterpart, and now I’m totally behind this theory.

Spoiler because long:

Spoiler: show

It’s an information aversion thing.
Wolves linked with each other would be the link they need to have a finger on the other thread. Alternatively, they can all see both threads. But this is entirely unlikely. Too much to keep track of.

In this case:
-the wolves in this thread know nothing of the other thread until one wolf dies. One wolf dying unlocks a lot of information for the other side. It would actually be beneficial to a point for one to die, just for that info
-we’re playing our own game on this side of the pond. The other players only matter insomuch that they can be a stump for the other side. That’s the town’s best strength I feel. Garnering info in how the *game* works and then help out the other side as needed.
-eventually, if all goes well, we eliminate 3 wolves on this side. At that point, I would still expect us to remain in limbo, possibly voting no-lynch ad infinitum until the other thread either also elims wolves or reaches parity on that side.
-but then them reaching parity on that thread doesn’t compute, because that means the game would be over for one side, and not the other. Because we’re under the impression we’re linked in some way, neither town nor wolves would win.

Shoot. I haven’t actually read any of the summary of this show nor have I seen it, so thematically I’m grasping at straws here. I have plans to watch it in a couple weeks and don’t want to spoil it, which perhaps holds back pertinent mech discussion

[Scotty]

I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

[Long Con]

I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

Me too.

[Long Con]

I think linked wolves would have communication with their counterparts... or, easier, they are just all in wolf chat together. I don't think that would be unfair.

[Scotty]

I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

Me too.

lol you aren’t my doppelgänger ole buddy ole

[Long Con]

I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

Me too.

lol you aren’t my doppelgänger ole buddy ole

I'm your pocketgänger.

[Scotty]

I think linked wolves would have communication with their counterparts... or, easier, they are just all in wolf chat together. I don't think that would be unfair.

What do you think the wolf wincon is?
Because if it’s just ‘reach parity with town’, the current format makes little to no sense.

Scenario: our thread eliminates 3 wolves and the 3p. Great. Then we just keep no lynching if we’re convinced.
Meanwhile, other thread keeps whittling down and it’s 3 wolves v 3 town. Does that proc a win for wolves over there? What about the ones over here? Does town over here lose because other town couldn’t get their shit together? That doesn’t seem fair.

Unless we merge at some point, for some reason. I hesitate to ask, but does that seem like it would fit thematically with the show?

[Scotty]

I’m protecting jack tonite btw. Do with that what you

Me too.

lol you aren’t my doppelgänger ole buddy ole

I'm your pocketgänger.

You cast me out of your pocket the moment you started non-commitally paranoid-suspected me

Nice try,

[Long Con]

I think linked wolves would have communication with their counterparts... or, easier, they are just all in wolf chat together. I don't think that would be unfair.

What do you think the wolf wincon is?
Because if it’s just ‘reach parity with town’, the current format makes little to no sense.

Scenario: our thread eliminates 3 wolves and the 3p. Great. Then we just keep no lynching if we’re convinced.
Meanwhile, other thread keeps whittling down and it’s 3 wolves v 3 town. Does that proc a win for wolves over there? What about the ones over here? Does town over here lose because other town couldn’t get their shit together? That doesn’t seem fair.

Unless we merge at some point, for some reason. I hesitate to ask, but does that seem like it would fit thematically with the show?

I think there will be a merge.

[Scotty]

Y’all. Check out ilario’s iso when you get a chance. He is a walking red flag.

It’s not long. But that’s not the inherently suspicious part.

Look at the pushes he makes on D1. He makes a bunch of noise over potential people, by shading them, but not pushing any more than that.
But here’s the progression I want to direct you to:

Spoiler: show

Has anybody seen Scotty mafia? And Cape mafia? And Jack mafia? I've seen none of those. Any chance they have tells that they haven't been able to overcome?

ive seen cape scum, he has a few tells ive been waiting to see if he hits before i go full send on him lol

a little pinged by lime cokes opening, i think he leans into copypasta and meme openers more as wolf. still early though and if hes town im sure ill find him at some point this game

didnt like capes opener either but cant really pinpoint why other than it felt a little awkward to me

delta leaning town on everyone might be slightly towny, wolves tend to be slightly more pressured to find something to scumread or shade in their openers

is this not what you just did? :wowee:

Is there anyone aside from me you think had a townie entrance?

yep it sure is, but thats cos im on a timer most games im village so ive shifted my focus from towncore building into just trying to kill wolves

there were other entrances that seemed fine but i havent played as much with those players so i was waiting for the day to play out some more. but since you brought it up id scotty seemed relaxed tonally, and i liked tutuu but im not sure if thats alignment indicative for them or not, they strike me as someone id probably like and get along with as either alignment

I kinda dislike this post, especially the tutuu part feels just wrong to me

How can he be wrong? Well sure he can be wrong that I'm town, but he's just saying that he likes me. Is that not a subjective preference? Where is the room for error?

(unless you're using wrong to say scummy rather than incorrect?)

I was more bothered by the hedginess of it tbh

theres no hedginess. i didnt give a read on tutuu in that post. ironically enough your response to me was more hedgy than the actual post you accused of being hedgy

ill see how i feel when i come back to the thread with some fresh eyes

but for now /vote cape

Ok, sounds like a full send.

Day 2:
Error 404- not found. No mention of Cape whatsoever. Took looks at the wagons of Delta, LC, psv, called the former 2 town, and voted on the psv wagon.

Where did the cape suspicion go? It feels like ilario actually forgot he suspected cape at all, which is….not a good look to even acknowledge it.

Jumping on and planting a vote on the current wagons at the time is also lazy and does him no favors in my

[Scotty]

I think linked wolves would have communication with their counterparts... or, easier, they are just all in wolf chat together. I don't think that would be unfair.

What do you think the wolf wincon is?
Because if it’s just ‘reach parity with town’, the current format makes little to no sense.

Scenario: our thread eliminates 3 wolves and the 3p. Great. Then we just keep no lynching if we’re convinced.
Meanwhile, other thread keeps whittling down and it’s 3 wolves v 3 town. Does that proc a win for wolves over there? What about the ones over here? Does town over here lose because other town couldn’t get their shit together? That doesn’t seem fair.

Unless we merge at some point, for some reason. I hesitate to ask, but does that seem like it would fit thematically with the show?

I think there will be a merge.

I think mech wise, that would be the most fair for all parties. I do wonder what the catalyst is for it, since I was expecting it last night and

[DrWilgy]

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Ok if this’ll make clock out faster

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

But... isn't that what you did?

Yeah but I did it better.

[DrWilgy]

I do think Tutuu is still flinging rubbish and would advocate a vote there.

A PSV vote would be for resolution of cw.

Longus Congus vote would be for Nuts legacy.

A Tutuu vote is for glory, sweet sweet glory. (Also Darling and I having the same read and conf town makes me more confident in the vote)

[Long Con]

Vote delta for a free win ᕙ(▀̿ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)ᕗ

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I do think Tutuu is still flinging rubbish and would advocate a vote there.

What's this then, bait? And you caught Scotty?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Even if no one else sees what I’m

[Scotty]

This is the most I’ve jumped around voting people in a long while. It feels like it cheapens things, since I’m apparently as swayed as a plastic bag in a windy back alley

(Which as we know, is the most beautiful thing in the

[Long Con]

This is the most I’ve jumped around voting people in a long while. It feels like it cheapens things, since I’m apparently as swayed as a plastic bag in a windy back alley

(Which as we know, is the most beautiful thing in the

(Nah, the young'uns don't even know that movie exists!)

[Delta]

Hihi o/ will be here from now for the next hour or so

[Delta]

We rly should kill delta, robyn was town and confident, with 3 wolves plenty of room for delta to be wolf, guy is hard to read, he posts those emojis as wolf all thhe time time don't fall for them ... (these ones ;-; >.>)

& I post them as town it's NAI, what's your argument LMFAO

Robyn has never played with me & those new to me normally have the same issue of finding me scummy by default. There's people here than can attest to that x_x I get this too often but the confidence is a little annoying because like. You'll flip me, go 'oops lol my bad xd' and then what?

[Delta]

I really dont see the vision with the DM or Long Con wagons ?_?

Also uh. PSV talking about DM just omgussing those voting them while their 2 main scumreads today are the 2 main people voting them is slightly funny. Ever so slightly.

[Delta]

Since I'm probably the most consensus townread anyway, I'm going to claim a green peek on DarlingMonroe @Scotty @tutuu @Cape90 @Lime Coke

Ah

I'm not just losing it
They're just town
Fucking win

[Scotty]

Since I'm probably the most consensus townread anyway, I'm going to claim a green peek on DarlingMonroe @Scotty @tutuu @Cape90 @Lime Coke

Ah

I'm not just losing it
They're just town
Fucking win

Quick read, what’s your opinion of ilario,

[Delta]

Without leaning too much into mech discussion, I dont think w!Jack claims cop there at all because he's in a good enough spot as is; he said it himself, he's being widely townread.

Claiming there just ties him to DM & as a wolf its better to let them go over, regardless of what they flip. At least I think?

So I'd argue they're both just town and not really think any more of it :wowee:

[Delta]

Since I'm probably the most consensus townread anyway, I'm going to claim a green peek on DarlingMonroe @Scotty @tutuu @Cape90 @Lime Coke

Ah

I'm not just losing it
They're just town
Fucking win

Quick read, what’s your opinion of ilario,

Very conflicted :x

I think his ISO is kinda eh at times, sortve throwing my name out when there was worries about me but then later going 'oh yeah no Delta's town its fine' without actually getting into what pinged him to begin with felt weird to me? & generally his approach feels weird

But there's also times where I like what he's saying, and as contradictory as it sounds I think him ending on PSV instead of continuing with me feels good? Because he definitely set himself up to do so.

Overall ISO is eh but recent actions feel good. That's roughly where I'm at with him. Slightly lean town, would boost higher if PSV wolf

[Cape90]

to explain the lime read, his confusion about the gamestate and feeling kinda lost mirrors what ive been sorta feeling through most of the game when im around. its something i often see lime coke fall into when hes a town in these kind of gamestates and havent really ever seen him replicate it as a wolf because as far as hes aware i dont think hes realised thats one of his tells lol. plus his sudden vote into scotty earlier as a knee jerk reaction to what happened in the turbo game felt really pure to me

Hmm kinda towny read

Ayo I'm back. Pretty tired. Catching up.

[Cape90]

Also returning to Cape's thing

@Cape90 tone is probably the worst thing you can read me on LMAO it's the one thing I'd like to think I have nailed as either alignment

If youre worried about me, lets talk \o/ it helps me sort you as well since you're part of my focus for today
Same offer is extended to @ilario or anyone in thread really ^^'

I kinda thought so but idk how else to really read your content this game