Game of Champions: West Facility (Night 2)

[Caitlin]

it was same reasons guillo had to scumread her (yes I know he found reasons to townread her later in n0) and she just hasn't shown up to make any change to my suspicion

Can you refresh my memory on those reasons?

I could go find them but I'm lazyyyyy

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

once again it isn't the concept of you sheeping I would hypothetically have a concern with

it was the post in which you responded to it that I felt was entirely undeserving of such a response to begin with lol

It was a fun way of pointing out the other person disagreed with my read

Do you think it wasnt fun?

[Caitlin]

How do I give out the secret santa thing?

ping scotty or svs in thread and just say who you would like to secret santa

Ty

[Caitlin]

it was same reasons guillo had to scumread her (yes I know he found reasons to townread her later in n0) and she just hasn't shown up to make any change to my suspicion

Can you refresh my memory on those reasons?

I could go find them but I'm lazyyyyy

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

Omg a Caitlin

Only a bit cuz I'm in a lecture

Just figured I'd force myself to play rn even tho I'm not up for it at all

I hate being so far behind due to not being here yday

It makes me not up to catch up

I wish someone would like tell me what to read and who to vote

[Porscha]

Can you refresh my memory on those reasons?

I could go find them but I'm lazyyyyy

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

once again it isn't the concept of you sheeping I would hypothetically have a concern with

it was the post in which you responded to it that I felt was entirely undeserving of such a response to begin with lol

It was a fun way of pointing out the other person disagreed with my read

Do you think it wasnt fun?

um, I guess "fun" wasn't the word that immediately came to mind lol

[Porscha]

Can you refresh my memory on those reasons?

I could go find them but I'm lazyyyyy

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

Omg a Caitlin

Only a bit cuz I'm in a lecture

Just figured I'd force myself to play rn even tho I'm not up for it at all

I hate being so far behind due to not being here yday

It makes me not up to catch up

I wish someone would like tell me what to read and who to vote

hehe... you could... sheep....

[Ricochet]

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss's feel outer edge - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take.

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long

Zone of concern
falcon - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

===

[Ricochet]

oh, welp. hit the submit button somehow

gonna develop the rest later, I have classes for the next hours.

[Ricochet]

Also, to touch upon

Bit of reading through D1 here as well.

Still not liking leetic. Every point of reply oozing aggro. Is this an MO - and if so, which way leaning AI-wise? Pondered whether groupings are balanced, only to come with three quarters wolf GTH reads.

Do you really expect me to contrive townreads on people who haven't done anything towny? If a player has only done wolfy things, that's not my problem

I expected less of a cocktail of "I wonder whether the group is balanced", then three quarter wolf presumptions, together with "thank heavens this is the non-overbearing group", which could be interpreted of feeling less heat, if wolf.

In this very room, I would murder Ricochet because there's a severe lack of engagement. It's a distant sort of participation.

Dunno what sort of engagement you expect of me.

I can see 'Invisible Mode' players, as can some other Syndicate staff members. Just wanted to put that reminder out there.

If you want to be 100% stealthy and read the thread, then best to sign out first. I don't want this kind of thing on my mind.

I do it on occasions - sometimes to catch up in depth in peace, other times when I should be working, but can't help checking one (two, three, four) more time(s) if something new was said.

Not sure you can read this thread offline, given that it's a split group. Does not show up when signed off.

Besides, I remember there was a long convention that we don't weigh in too much on this aspect.

[Ricochet]

bye, laters.

[Caitlin]

I can see 'Invisible Mode' players, as can some other Syndicate staff members. Just wanted to put that reminder out there.

If you want to be 100% stealthy and read the thread, then best to sign out first. I don't want this kind of thing on my mind.

Yea I'm lurking at times cuz its just hard to like post sometimes

[Caitlin]

I also just have this tab open always lol - but Idk if I'm seen as online then

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Why are you voting Delta? Did I miss you giving a reason?

No.

[Seanzie]

I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.

That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.

You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.

I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?

*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

[Seanzie]

I'd vote Caitlin... maybe.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can you refresh my memory on those reasons?

I could go find them but I'm lazyyyyy

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

Omg a Caitlin

Only a bit cuz I'm in a lecture

Just figured I'd force myself to play rn even tho I'm not up for it at all

I hate being so far behind due to not being here yday

It makes me not up to catch up

I wish someone would like tell me what to read and who to vote

Read me and pyxxy

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss's feel outer edge - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take.

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long

Zone of concern
falcon - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

===

Am I invisible to you...

[Long Con]

I'm visible to him, just not worth reading.

[Ricochet]

Not in depth, at the/that time (I had half an hour lunch break). No pings, no merit medal. \_(ツ)_/¯

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[Long Con]

I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.

That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.

You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.

I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?

*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

You worried, bro?

[Seanzie]

I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.

That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.

You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.

I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?

*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

You worried, bro?

More curious.

[Long Con]

I appreciate leetic's battle of wits there.

I don't mind accepting defeat.

Let's keep leetic around another go.

That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.

You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.

I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?

*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

You worried, bro?

More curious.

I didn't detect curiosity in your 'paper' post. It reads more like it's important for you to jump in and discredit me. I don't see why that was really necessary, since I wasn't confronting you or trying to push others to vote for you. Epi asked me about it, I didn't bring it up.

My suspicion of you was kind of waning, but your reaction to that post doesn't feel towny, it feels like a worried wolf who needs to shut down suspicion.

[Seanzie]

That's not a good reason to keep a suspected wolf around.

You're voting out Seanzie but I don't know why.

I found a couple of holes surrounding his vote for falcon. Things didn't completely line up for me. Didn't you read it?

*looks at piece of paper without any holes*

*stabs piece of paper*

"Look, a hole!"

You worried, bro?

More curious.

I didn't detect curiosity in your 'paper' post. It reads more like it's important for you to jump in and discredit me. I don't see why that was really necessary, since I wasn't confronting you or trying to push others to vote for you. Epi asked me about it, I didn't bring it up.

My suspicion of you was kind of waning, but your reaction to that post doesn't feel towny, it feels like a worried wolf who needs to shut down suspicion.

On the flipside, I found it quite curious how you seemed to accept my explanation without question, but keep your scumread of me afterwards, citing those earlier reasons without any hint of consideration, or "waning" as you claim here, and I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about.

[Ricochet]

Completing this

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss felt out of bound - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take [later edit: I now just might, after all, see note sig], but I can accept it's her particular style of reading. Meta vibe nitpick: dunno why I had reminiscence of town!Porscha being more engaged.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Seanzie* - Just to get nothingburger'd: no major issue with atm. Wish I'd meta-remember if his questioning those who give him a pass more than those who give him stinkeye would be AI. One developed lead (falcon), then nothing as consistent (shading players giving him a pass, sudden delta vote).

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long tbh
TSP - so unserious in everything (non-fluff) put forth
Abigail - Null slight towards a pass tbh. GTH is "scattered". Some reads are focused and fine (especially later on during Day), others brushed off, unreasoned or drawn from a meta hat. Labeled NAI everything about leetic's tone, then voted them why exactly?

Invisibile sector
Spacedaisy - absent. Weird to miss this much of the phase, but couldn't say if it's AI in some way.
pyxxy - absent. Maybe got shipped to "North (Korea) Facility"

Zone of concern
Sloonei - even since yesterday his activity gave me a strong impression of "skirting". Reads amount to poking "least-talked about" or absent players, plus a non-finalized suss on leetic. Heaviest candidate for me of a player I can't get a sense where he's playing at.
falcon* - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
sig - re-read got me concerned the facility split ideas seem a bit too specific and suss of TMI. don't like his reads amounting to just a LHF topic (absent player)
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

N/A
Scrappy Doo - I would need more meta on how this sock shenanigan played out. So far the sock player has done nothing serious and don't think there's info on what they would be allowed to do in-game.


*Back-of-mind, slight tinfoil on the timing of Seanzie suss'ing falcon that he's not exhibiting t!world sharpness, only for falcon to come right after and play more on-point, quizzing etc. Perchance a w/w signal or distancing or at least one wolf in this interaction?

[Long Con]

On the flipside, I found it quite curious how you seemed to accept my explanation without question I said "fair enough". To me, that's more of a neutral response, an acknowledgement of your response, than 'accepting without question'.

, but keep your scumread of me afterwards, I do expect most players to defend themselves in some way when they are accused. I do not automatically rescind my scumread because the accused typed some words.

citing those earlier reasons without any hint of consideration, or "waning" as you claim here, and I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about.

Now, you're, what... gettin' silly? All reasons are 'earlier reasons'. I have given your defense some consideration, but it didn't do the job of completely wiping away my suspicion of you.

Unless it was just wordplay for the sake of fun, then please fill me in on what you are curious about. I'm all ears.

Let's go through your 'earlier' defense, so that we have less misunderstanding:

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Based on his suspicion of you, for saying you would have to read and try?

No. I remembered that I found him sus D0. He doesn't have any of the sharpness that town!Falcon has. Town!Falcon will make plenty of fluffy posts, but will also interject with some pointed, mildly aggressive questions and observations. Scum!Falcon doesn't do that second part, and I didn't see any of that D0. Today, him voting me without pushing or real reason just corroborates this view.

Does it corroborate the first view though? "Voting without pushing or real reason" isn't the same as "doesn't interject with pointed, mildly aggressive etc." Right? But you are saying it does, and I just detect some level of fakeness going on here, both from the fact that falcon HAD asked such a question prior to this, and for the dodgy corroboration and general vibe.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Let me know when you want to read the words I wrote without filling in things I didn't say. I found Falcon's D0 questionable. I found Falcon's vote on my questionable. I never said that Falcon's vote was exactly the same thing as Falcon's vote on me, but that the lackluster approach to the vote corroborated my earlier view.

Looks like your main issue was that I took "corroborates" as being something that confirms or supports. I think your two accusations of Falcon are disparate, and not corroborative. One could do lots of "interjecting with pointed, mild aggression" and still "vote without pushing". One could do very little of such interjection, and vote with reasoned and well-explained logic.

If you had said "I suspect him for a lack of interjections and also voting without pushing/reasons is a suspicious thing" then it wouldn't have caught my eye. Your claim that one corroborates the other implies a more stable 'case' it forming around Falcon based on your accusation.

So, I reject the idea that I was filling in things you didn't say. You are the one who said the two reasons are corroborative, and I am rejecting that notion, and telling you that I think it's suspicious that you would try to bolster the case's strength through dubious reasoning.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Vote LC

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ugh he just walled let me check again

[TonyStarkPrime]

Vote: abigail

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some things never change

[Long Con]

WTF dude

[Caitlin]

I'd vote Caitlin... maybe.

DIdnt you townread me?

[Caitlin]

i'm so tired fr maybe tomorrow or something lol

I'll go find it

I think it had something to do with her sheeping which I don't think is as AI as he made it out to be

ah yeah that was one of the things
the sheeping part wasn't so weird to me personally

just the post she responded to was like... not a good reason to sheep anyone was why I was sus of it lol

Once again though I never said I would sheep

Saying I'd almost sheep doesnt at all imply I would sheep

I just liked the way that the reply to my readslist was formatted, which is why I said it

Omg a Caitlin

Only a bit cuz I'm in a lecture

Just figured I'd force myself to play rn even tho I'm not up for it at all

I hate being so far behind due to not being here yday

It makes me not up to catch up

I wish someone would like tell me what to read and who to vote

hehe... you could... sheep....

Honestly, very tempting but like;

I feel like I kinda owe it to the hosts to do my best, plus, I don't know how the accuracy of town!Caitlin and town!Porscha would compare but I do know town!Caitlin should have higher accuracy than scum!Porscha or you'd be doing smth wrong, and since I don't know your alignment, it'd be foolish to just rely on that

Plus hopefully ppl find me town if I put in more effort lol

[Caitlin]

I do wish there was a way to quote better so I could avoid those big quote chains

Also Abbi I appreciate your suggestion to read you & Pyxxy first and I was gonna ISO the ppl you'd suggest but I'm gonna just do the entire catchup instead

Only have 25m rn but should be enough for a start

[Caitlin]

This should be taken as a positive.

That.. makes no sense

Also, no one I had any feelings about are in this group... Oh well.

This should be taken as a positive.

It puts me back at square one and means I'll actually need to read and pay attention a bit.

Precisely

Whereas that's good it's inferior to having reads and paying attention

Also Idrk how to feel about Seanzie, Porscha & Sloonei immediately sending their Secret Santa? Seems a bit careless

Also about the Secret Santa, I doubt it's wise to discuss much about it, but I do think it might be important to track who gifted to whom since maybe some ppl get a benefit from getting a Secret Santa from another player

Based on first 20 posts of this game I'd sus Tony and Sloonei the most for dragging us back to RVS when its not like this is a new game ngl

[Caitlin]

Also, no one I had any feelings about are in this group... Oh well.

This should be taken as a positive.

It puts me back at square one and means I'll actually need to read and pay attention a bit.

So, if you had been placed w/ players you do have feelings about, you wouldn't need to read & pay attention?

Yes.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine






This game gun be EZ

Falcon actually taking this as sus imo doesn't show intention to solve at all

I think someone chose me as their secret santa! I don't see anyone on that list I wish to Secret Santa.

Do I need to read the last half of night 0? I'm on page 7 and now there's 14.

Doesn't masoning with someone mean having town BTSC with them? I just read the night 0 part with all the "oh, I'm masoning with you!" So is that just... agreeing to trust each other?

Agreeing to trust each other

Also personally I would read it since it's well... Content. If you'd read this thread I don't see why you'd only read half of the other thread, which lowkey is more important since it has 29 ppl to read as opposed to 14

I kindaaa wanna trust LC over the Mason Q because assuming there's a mafiachat, it can also be assumed there's always one mafia in big games that tracks all noteworthy things

I'll just do GTHs of the people who already posted here, 'cause I'm not in the mood to go through the other thread:

TSP: GTH wolf, nothing here looks more impressive than what they posted in Severance.
LC: GTH town, one of the only people doing some light prodding here
Seanzie: GTH wolf, the attitude feels deflated in a way that doesn't really look towny.
Sloonei: GTH wolf, I expect better from him than what he's posted so far.
falcon: GTH town, I appreciate the boldness here.
Epignosis: GTH wolf, the jump on me is lame (I mean, there's nutella?)
Porscha: GTH wolf ("If Porscha has a single digit postcount for the first 24 hours of a phase, she's a wolf!")
Abby: GTH wolf ("Ouch")

Y'all better start towntelling

Your motivation here and not wanting to read the other thread clearly don't add up at all then, and these GTH reads also are just straight up unbelieve and the last line honestly makes it even more sus

Hi Oricorio, btw

[Caitlin]

A teammate would be nice right about now.

I suspect leetic and nutella have that advantage. Their Day 0 interaction was goofy and over the top. It was acting. Check it out.

Unprompted, leetic brings up nutella in this thread by way of accusing me as though I can do jack shit about it. Acting.

Well Nutella was my top SR as I stated in that thread so unsurprisingly I can see it

I still get pinged by you anyway though oopsie - sidenote: I notice

Hate to use this term, but LAMIST

This is the first time I agree with smth being LAMIST when used in the meaning I disagree on

But come on, don't ignore my secret Santa question. This shit could be important

I like that you think about it ngl

As I stated in my other post I bet some ppl get something positive over receiving Secret Santa's, and maybe some Secret Santa's also have abilities alongside them. If I was the setup maker I'd do lots of fun stuff with that lol

Also means N0 might be important to check again in the future cuz maybe there's some evil that gets abilities for every Secret Santa they receive So we could try to see who was already trying to gain popularity

But I'm defs theorizing too much now lol it's just something I've been enjoying theorizing about in my head xD

[Caitlin]

I didn't get what you were referencing

Wow, I have no idea how that could happen!

I haven't read all of night 0.

Oh. Why comment then?

Engaging in dialogue is an effective strategy to get involved in the game when one is too far behind to read everything that has happened.

You're being like super duper sketch ngllllll

You are pinging me like heavily

Ok, so far with the not-so-secret Santas:
Seanzie santa'd Dyslexicon
Porscha santa'd Guillotina
leetic santa'd Lime Coke

This isn't an accusation, I just wanted to keep track without looking back every time I forgot.

Omg yay you already are keeping track of it

Day 0 was 14 pages of mostly shit. Sorry. I wanted so much more.

I feel like that's a misrepresentation of it

[Seanzie]

On the flipside, I found it quite curious how you seemed to accept my explanation without question I said "fair enough". To me, that's more of a neutral response, an acknowledgement of your response, than 'accepting without question'.

, but keep your scumread of me afterwards, I do expect most players to defend themselves in some way when they are accused. I do not automatically rescind my scumread because the accused typed some words.

citing those earlier reasons without any hint of consideration, or "waning" as you claim here, and I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about.

Now, you're, what... gettin' silly? All reasons are 'earlier reasons'. I have given your defense some consideration, but it didn't do the job of completely wiping away my suspicion of you.

Unless it was just wordplay for the sake of fun, then please fill me in on what you are curious about. I'm all ears.

Let's go through your 'earlier' defense, so that we have less misunderstanding:

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Based on his suspicion of you, for saying you would have to read and try?

No. I remembered that I found him sus D0. He doesn't have any of the sharpness that town!Falcon has. Town!Falcon will make plenty of fluffy posts, but will also interject with some pointed, mildly aggressive questions and observations. Scum!Falcon doesn't do that second part, and I didn't see any of that D0. Today, him voting me without pushing or real reason just corroborates this view.

Does it corroborate the first view though? "Voting without pushing or real reason" isn't the same as "doesn't interject with pointed, mildly aggressive etc." Right? But you are saying it does, and I just detect some level of fakeness going on here, both from the fact that falcon HAD asked such a question prior to this, and for the dodgy corroboration and general vibe.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Let me know when you want to read the words I wrote without filling in things I didn't say. I found Falcon's D0 questionable. I found Falcon's vote on my questionable. I never said that Falcon's vote was exactly the same thing as Falcon's vote on me, but that the lackluster approach to the vote corroborated my earlier view.

Looks like your main issue was that I took "corroborates" as being something that confirms or supports. I think your two accusations of Falcon are disparate, and not corroborative. One could do lots of "interjecting with pointed, mild aggression" and still "vote without pushing". One could do very little of such interjection, and vote with reasoned and well-explained logic.

If you had said "I suspect him for a lack of interjections and also voting without pushing/reasons is a suspicious thing" then it wouldn't have caught my eye. Your claim that one corroborates the other implies a more stable 'case' it forming around Falcon based on your accusation.

So, I reject the idea that I was filling in things you didn't say. You are the one who said the two reasons are corroborative, and I am rejecting that notion, and telling you that I think it's suspicious that you would try to bolster the case's strength through dubious reasoning.

I don't expect people who actually suspect me to give neutral judgements of my arguments. Your acknowledgement ended our conversation, presumably in a way you felt satisfied with, but then you kept pushing the idea of scum!me in the thread with information that predated my explanation. You're now claiming your thoughts of me were waning (I actually upon reflection think this is quite a bad look, the "I was faltering on you, but now that you're pushing back, I'm back to it" doesn't look good IMO), but I don't see any indication of reflection from you, just a reluctance to keep actively pushing me while still talking about me to others.

The initial "I'm curious" line was to bait you into continuing to interact with me, but you didn't bite. Are you always so hands-off with people you suspect? The "I continue to find it curious that you aren't curious about what I'm curious about." was both wordplay and a point - you not following up with me after that does not put a good taste in my mouth. I would expect a townie to either tunnel in or show clear reflection and progression, not to feel like they wanted out of the conversation.

I feel like you wanted me to be a suspect, then when people like Sloonei and TSP weren't really biting, you perhaps "waned" in that you decided I wasn't a viable push, but then when I didn't let your push on me go, you've had to backtrack to pushing it again. Perhaps this lacks a bit of generosity towards a potential town!LC world, but I think this narrative makes sense in a wolf!LC world.

[Caitlin]

I really should take more chances.

I could have made something of myself.

Okay.

Respond to this post with a name from the other list and I'll do the secret Santa thing with the person named.

I am currently preaching restraint on the gifts. Maybe discussion with the group before firing off advantages to other players of unknown alignment. Maybe there's someone who towntold during Night 0, with majority agreement? We could go all-in and shower that one player with many gifts.

Lots of possibilities, I just don't think treating it like an innocent subgame is a smart way to play.

Secret Santa could be an extra vote the next Day on the person too.

It's totally a crap shoot.

Why would it mean that? We dont rlly have Christmas in the Netherlands (we do have it but its way less big) but afaik its something positive and fun. An extra vote isn't positive and fun. Maybe if someone you hate picked you then it could be a bad thing but... I find the odds of it being positive considerably more likely than it being negative

Who said they would be advantages? I for one welcome the chaos.

Wolfy way to say it tbh

If everyone gives a different person a gift, it'll be neutral at worst, so let's all do that

"Neutral at worst."

Let's give equally to an uninformed majority and an informed majority (who can better articulate with one another what to do with whatever this does).

Can someone else vote this individual out?

But you just said it's a crapshoot

How is randomly giving it better than this lol

[Caitlin]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll vote here for now since I gtg

Will continue my catchup when I return

So far I scumread Sloonei & Leetic the most in this thread, with Epi in 3rd but I do think Leetic/Epi prob arent SvS so thats even more inclination for me to vote Sloonei above either of those

Anyway, be back later bye bye

[Caitlin]

Leetic only 1 vote left? That's disappointing

Thought a consensus suspect would have more votes left

Sorry if this or a diff post sent double, my posts are barely sending at all when my wifi seems fine? And the forum keeps freezing

[pyxxy]

> me who just won this game as scum in F3
had the juice
viewtopic.php?p=1102608#p1102608

> me in this game
does not have the juice

Epi's Hypothesis: I'm playing the same in both of these games

[Seanzie]

> me who just won this game as scum in F3
had the juice
viewtopic.php?p=1102608#p1102608

> me in this game
does not have the juice

Epi's Hypothesis: I'm playing the same in both of these games

1.) I want some juice.

2.) I'd vote for Pyxxy.

[Delta]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

[Seanzie]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

What do you think of Me vs LC?

[Delta]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

What do you think of Me vs LC?

Think you're both fine for different reasons, v/v maybe? Individually I think my townread on LC is stronger, havent looked too much into you ;_; sorry

Run me through why there is a you vs LC to begin with? \o/

[Caitlin]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

Yes yes townread Cait

[Seanzie]

Hihi, here for a lil bit o/

Would add Cait to my earlier townreads, was a bit hesitant considering the clash between Abi/Cait in N0 when it came to their reads but ultimately think they're both town

Otherwise think my list of townies remains the same?

What do you think of Me vs LC?

Think you're both fine for different reasons, v/v maybe? Individually I think my townread on LC is stronger, havent looked too much into you ;_; sorry

Run me through why there is a you vs LC to begin with? \o/

The relevant quote chain is like 5 posts ago.

Are you reading the game?

[Caitlin]

When you think about it, wolves are more likely to receive items due to their partners knowing who they are. That just ensures everything is balanced!

Hm that's true

But also you're sus

If everyone gives a different person a gift, it'll be neutral at worst, so let's all do that

"Neutral at worst."

Let's give equally to an uninformed majority and an informed majority (who can better articulate with one another what to do with whatever this does).

Can someone else vote this individual out?

When you think about it, wolves are more likely to receive items due to their partners knowing who they are. That just ensures everything is balanced!

That's mathematically false.

Civilians are more likely to receive something simply because there are...you know...more of them.

Mafia can privately strategize, which is something that would be really helpful for me right now.

With that logic Civilians also get more with Leetic's plan

However, Leetic's plan ensures each player would get on average 1, whereas with a random plan, mafia might get more than 1 on average

That said, doing it read based should probably put it below 1

I suspect the other thread is lapping us in terms of post count.

Very likely

I bet they're on like page 23 rn

[Caitlin]

guillotina

Pls

Ty

Why?

I have him strong tr from n0 so I wish to assist him in his thread if possible

I like this reason, + for Porscha

Spoiler: show

Half a crowd, more comfy.

Scanning some N0, solely from people transferred to this facility.

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What is lamist?

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Caitlin - High poster pace, already feels like a chore to scan 80+ posts & lost focus halfway through tbh. Vibe was that she did a lot of convo and tells, but could have felt more substantive. Gonna rewind it later, in more depth, or just null it.

Delta - sticks out to me that most of their developed reads/gth (#608) happened off-screen (no argument or interaction with any of the mentioned except Sabi and leetic)

Epignosis - nothing of substance N0

falcon - enigma. fluff-a-thon

leetic - unpleasant tone vibes through almost all N0. only argument I found ok is the critique of Alison's take. early deems N0 content near-worthless, but then creates further "worthless" convo replying. quite aggro convo with nutella on the "interesting" debate and I fail to sense why such tone was needed - also bit of a piggyback from Guillotine's initial take. (side-note: would not exclude the chance of w/w between them and nutella, i.e. distancing fuel)

Long Con - chilled out N0

Porscha - bantered with several, couple of suss's. no ping, though if I'd nitpick, it'd be that out of them suss's, one on Alison feels like could have been more elaborated and one on sig is rather far orbit

Abigail - I've read everything and none of it was enlightening. also, as far as that wake-up-caitlin debate is concerned, though this would be more of a critique of Alison: apart from mental gymnastics, I see near-zero reason for wolves to do this in thread, N0

pyxxy - embarks on meme highway N0

Seanzie - off-screen small lean-list right off the bat

Scrappy who ??

sig - why have some treated sig as lhf/low-post, right now they have about the same amount of N0 as half of those in this group? on surmising town-helpful mindsets, one I can agree with (unlinking players as w/w too early, wrt Guillotine) and one I do not (negative / heated stuff demotivating town)

Sloonei - Sloonei appears to be playing this game

Spacedaisy - Kami

TSP - claimed slank N0

Already read this readslist earlier and I honestly, dont rlly think its a good look on Ricochet. I don't love the amount of N0's. This post very much feels like Ricochet is trying to be seem more helpful/content create'y then they are

Reas on Porscha and Sloonei read the most sus to be

That all said, I do think Ricochet has their newer posts in their favor. Cant rlly analyse those yet but when I was posting during my lecture they posted that list they accidentally sent and that overall seemed solid

My friends are coming over today cuz it was my bday two days ago so I wont rlly be here today sorry

So do we all think the Secret Santa thing is positive? If so, any thoughts on me giving mine to Cape? I townread Cape & WWA the most on the other side and afaik WWA is a pretty controversial one making me lead towards giving it to Cape

Will catch up properly but thinking of Secret Santa

Do we need to prevent Secret Santa stacking? Like is it worth everyone making sure each player gets a Secret Santa? Might be worth coordinating that everyone picks someone unique over just taking at random

Pointing this out for future purposes

Would be intriguing if Epi lets this slide from Delta, when he's doing the same as Leetic

(Also Guillo would now say Leetic/Delta aren't SvS!)