Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am SO good at elementary school art these kids can't draw for shit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I am not sure you aren’t aligned with Lime/Abi/Pyxxy but I am curious for your vote towards lemon fairy because as it stands, them and Radishes are my biggest pings.

Hi curious for your vote towards lemon fairy because as it stands, them and Radishes are my biggest pings, I'm dad

[Lemonfairy]

ig it's confirmed multiball now
and my reads are bad

but that's ok because I didn't spend much time making that list on West people anyway

[Lemonfairy]

and [VOTE: Monroe] aubergine

[Lemonfairy]

can someone explain why Cape is getting voted?

or, you know, ig I can backread to find out
but the question stands if I come back and couldn't find anything

[Lemonfairy]

Lemonfairy

falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.

Not much here.

tbf that was the speediest ISO skim reads list I've done in my life

[Lemonfairy]

Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

ok, but did you say what they were?

(if yes, just ignore because I still have to backread)

[Lemonfairy]

side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?

[Lemonfairy]

I also wasted a lot of time on the weekend so I shouldn't be spending much time on mafia jsyk
but I'll try to keep up

[DarlingMonroe]

side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?

Same to you. You’ve been voting for me for no reason at all. Well, to protect falcon your teammate.

[DarlingMonroe]

Radishes/Fairy really gave themselves away

[Lemonfairy]

side note: why ping me if you don't have a question for me?

Same to you. You’ve been voting for me for no reason at all. Well, to protect falcon your teammate.

I voted you because you're the least towny in the East Facility
and your second point has no basis

[Lemonfairy]

like, you're not explaining anything (up until what I've read so far) and idk what this has to do with Radishes

[Master Radishes]

Who needs to explain anything when you can just insist on it again and again and again and again?

Repeat something enough times and it will become true!

[Master Radishes]

DM's sudden conviction of a specific team without any explanation after days of lacking direction feels extremely scummy to me, like they're lashing out under scrutiny, but someone let me know of this fits with their meta I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[Master Radishes]

The art show is over already

[Master Radishes]

Post a pic of a hole you dug

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.

Bold. Back it up!

Back it up

*EDM music*

Back it up
Back it up

[Dyslexicon]

Post a pic of a hole you dug

[Dyslexicon]

I love the heart <3

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: DIG A3]

[Master Radishes]

Post a pic of a hole you dug

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: [VOTE: DIG A3]] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

beginning to learn i don't know how vote tags work

[Lemonfairy]

Cape

I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is

So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

While I'm mainly looking for Falcon interactions, this caught my eye.

I can kind of see the push on falcon, can someone summarize, if they haven't, what falc did in the other thread?

This is horrifically vague.

"I can kind of see the push on falcon."

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I don't understand why you can't have an opinion on someone from a different camp. This is a defense of Falcon by way of suspecting (and voting) Wilgy.

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town









I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!








Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!








Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?

If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

As far as I can tell, this is the only direct interaction Cape had with Falcon. It's not a bad question.

I do not see that Falcon ever followed up on it though.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

I want to cross-reference this post with the earlier posts. There is a shaky defense of falcon in those.

Here is the turn, where Cape explicitly calls Falcon mafia and does so with enough gumption to call me his teammate.

So I even said:

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

Do you know falcon is mafia?

By that point, falcon had one foot out the door, and I see no evidence that Cape was really trying to figure falcon out. Cape went from defending Falcon to calling him mafia without ever even voting there.

I would call Cape a highly compatible teammate with Falcon. Could even be a Landlord.

to me, the first part looked like "falcon's pushes suck"
which, I can kind of see given the quoted reasons focus on being able to meta-read falcon and knowing falcon's "town tell"
and from what I know, Cape isn't familiar with falcon's meta

the shift from "falcon's pushes suck" to "your push on falcon looks w/w" is a little weird but I think it's not the same as going from defending falcon to scumreading falcon

[Ricochet]

Cape90 - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

I can kind of see the push on falcon, can someone summarize, if they haven't, what falc did in the other thread?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I think Falc is a major wagon and I have to decide if I'm to vote. Should I not at least voice my opinion on the slot as that actually exists to an extent?

Plus Falc was one of the few players that I reviewed previously around d1.

Why exactly is this terrible that being the case?

I don't really get why you seem to put this expectation that falcon should have threadspewed themselves as town immediately into night 0.

Does falcon usually do so from your experiance?

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town









I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!








Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!








Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?

If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

member of the Arbiters of the Rose Empire

Cape90 - posts
☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts - Turtle on a Log (Mafia)

I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is

So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

member of the Landlords

[Lemonfairy]

DarlingMonroe

I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

"I didn't try to find out."

going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon ] aubergine really hope its mafia

DarlingMonroe is a highly compatible teammate with Falcon.

contrast above with:

Epi is giving very much wolf. Delta also pings. Not sure how to feel about this lemon wagon. I'd rather no.

Could be down to vote Epi, though. Oh and Wilgy too.

1. OMGUS wolfread on Epignosis
2. Delta pings but no explanation
3. Saw my wagon, said they would "rather not" but didn't explain (no commitment to read)

current Monroe:
1. OMGUS vote on me (I voted them D3)
2. Pinged by me and Radishes but no explanation
3. Keeps dropping names but doesn't explain/expand on reads

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway read on Master and Lemon? I don’t feel they’ve played a pro town game at all.

Master Radishes has been a townlean for me. Ive gotten the feeling he's actually working to solve the game, and he's been pretty open to interacting actively with others in both this thread and East Facility. I never really faulted him for suspecting Alison for two days because, well, I did the same thing

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot. The wallpost she made is definitely more reminiscent of her town game than her scum game, but the fact that she went back to low engagement after that doesn't really make me feel super confident in that take. I think at least some of the reasonings in her wallpost were well thought-out, but given that this is multiball, I wouldn't be surprised if she legitimately is trying to scumhunt. She's still PoE for me, but since her wagon kinda dissolved in favor of falcon's and yours, I don't know which team she'd be partnered with. Maybe I should read through her wallpost again and check mentions of all flipped mafia so far.

[Lemonfairy]

Continuing to push falcon, while going against the lemonfairy wagon (the largest CW at the time).

tbh my wagon was the silliest thing I've seen in a while

[WindwardAway]

Also, hi, sorry I've been packing all day cause I have a full day or two of travel coming up. I'll still be in thread when I can! But I'll miss EoD and probably place my final vote before I hop on a plane lol.

[Lemonfairy]

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

[WindwardAway]

Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Out of curiosity, why was MR's tunnel on Alison worse than mine? I was pushing her from N0, and yet you townread me and scumread Radishes.

[Lemonfairy]

the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

[WindwardAway]

Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

Nutella

[WindwardAway]

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

[WindwardAway]

the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?

[Lemonfairy]

Hedges on falcon (then again, not only player they hedged on and TRs Abby. Abby's vote on them does look good on them being unpaired. It's a little odd how they ignored the huge falcon wagon, then again they were pretty insistent on voting someone from their own side.

just felt like I had more business voting for people I've spent 3 days with than people I took cumulatively 20-30 mins to ISO and order

[WindwardAway]

Like I said, @WindwardAway @DrWilgy strongest town read atm

@Lemonfairy @Master Radishes biggest pings

Nutella

Lol me
This wasn't a question, was it

[Lemonfairy]

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either

[DarlingMonroe]

Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Out of curiosity, why was MR's tunnel on Alison worse than mine? I was pushing her from N0, and yet you townread me and scumread Radishes.

Because your tunnel seemed more genuine and radishes more opportunistic like wolf jumping on a cig’s wrong read. And then also day 3 vote, you went with falcon and radishes/lemon abstained when everything pointed they were wolf. It makes sense since none of their mafia members had flipped they tried everything to get the second biggest wagon take over.

[WindwardAway]

I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned


Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes

I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too

Suspects falcon from N0

"Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason

It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.

I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 read

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

didn't Abbi change her mind?

Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defense

Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?







Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that

Ugh I hate that I town read this

Unvote

If it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.

To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.

I've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of that
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town

Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads Abby

So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.

Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falcon

oh yeah, falcon never replied to me there lmao
so i was happy to keep a vote on him if he wasn't going to counterargue with anything except that he was "towning his ass off" which he wasn't

[Lemonfairy]

the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?

oh
that's fair ig

I thought you were making up some BS reason to scumread me out of nowhere
which now I know was my mistake

carry on

[WindwardAway]

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either

Ok, thanks for sharing.
Do you have any thoughts as to whether someone on falcon's team bussed him or if his partners stayed off of his wagon?

[Lemonfairy]

k

I actually have to run so
bye

I will hopefully return later

[WindwardAway]

the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?

oh
that's fair ig

I thought you were making up some BS reason to scumread me out of nowhere
which now I know was my mistake

carry on

??
you're the one who pointed out that I had actually sussed you in the East Facility thread before. it wouldn't be a reason I pulled out of nowhere as an excuse to scumread you, for sure.

[WindwardAway]

Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Out of curiosity, why was MR's tunnel on Alison worse than mine? I was pushing her from N0, and yet you townread me and scumread Radishes.

Because your tunnel seemed more genuine and radishes more opportunistic like wolf jumping on a cig’s wrong read. And then also day 3 vote, you went with falcon and radishes/lemon abstained when everything pointed they were wolf. It makes sense since none of their mafia members had flipped they tried everything to get the second biggest wagon take over.

ah ok, it was because of the read progressions and votes
hmm

[WindwardAway]

I'll bbl for more discussion
hopefully Lemon will be able to reply to me again before I'm gone for the day

[Ricochet]

DarlingMonroe - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.

what association between me and brad? what are you talking about?

so why vote me over falcon or anyone else?

i really dont know how to interact with you in this game

@Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

@DarlingMonroe Talk to me about Epi. You mentioned he's a wolf, but I dony recall any depth or detail to the read

@DarlingMonroe Can you talk to me about your reads plz?

You put Epi down as EZ Wolf, dropped a vote on my wagon, but I've not seen a single thing from you about why either of us are scum

member of the Arbiters of the Rose Empire

DarlingMonroe - posts
☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts - Turtle on a Log (Mafia)

Delta is town this wagon is bad

how do you town read delta from any of the post he made? they seem like fluff to me

I rescinded cause Caitlin than rescinded my rescind cause me again

Vote: DM

Delta is town this wagon is bad

how do you town read delta from any of the post he made? they seem like fluff to me

I'm very good at mafia

member of the Landlords

[Master Radishes]

Though it is tempting to vote Master because that tunnel on Alison? That was rough.

Out of curiosity, why was MR's tunnel on Alison worse than mine? I was pushing her from N0, and yet you townread me and scumread Radishes.

Because your tunnel seemed more genuine and radishes more opportunistic like wolf jumping on a cig’s wrong read. And then also day 3 vote, you went with falcon and radishes/lemon abstained when everything pointed they were wolf. It makes sense since none of their mafia members had flipped they tried everything to get the second biggest wagon take over.

Quite a narrative you got there.