Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[leetic]

There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi







Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

Now singles out me and sig as well. This creates an effective salad, with two of the players being people I know aren't paired with them.

[leetic]

Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die






DM moving onto my wagon feels super gross, cuz it feels more like she's just trying to widen the gap between her wagon I, rather than actually vote for who she thinks is Maf







But I was at 6 to her 3, it feels like an overreaction. Noted she's ignored my questions that I specifically tagged her in re: her Epi read

An attempted pivot to DM, feels a bit too opportunistic for a bus

[leetic]

There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Another salad, in case it matters

[leetic]

@DarlingMonroe Can you talk to me about your reads plz?







You put Epi down as EZ Wolf, dropped a vote on my wagon, but I've not seen a single thing from you about why either of us are scum

Last-ditch attempt to reach out to DM. This doesn't really feel like an attempt to milk town credit.

[leetic]

falcon didn't really have many suspects, only MR, Abby, and an eventual pivot to DM. They spent most of the phase trying to defend themselves, responding to arguments from Sloonei, me, sig, nutella, LC, Wilgy, and MR. Notably, I don't think they responded to Abby, who wasn't partnered, so perhaps absence from this list isn't too meaningful.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Delta]

Is it worth keeping track of which plots are/arent claimed?

I can try keep track if its worth it

There's no need. Check the relevant host post.

ah

it wasnt there when I offered so \o/ that helps at least

[Sloonei]

@ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

[WindwardAway]

There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Another salad, in case it matters

do you think he could've rule-of-three'd a partner somewhere, or is he too good for that/named too many players for it to matter?

[WindwardAway]

@ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

falcon voting DM made me think earlier that he might have other partners who voted DM (or Lemon)
DM is probably not an Arbiter

[Delta]

@leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

[leetic]

There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Another salad, in case it matters

do you think he could've rule-of-three'd a partner somewhere, or is he too good for that/named too many players for it to matter?

Considering one flipped town, one is a sock account I know barely anything about, and I don't really think sig is falcon's partner, I doubt that specific example is too meaningful

[leetic]

@leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

Do you think sig is falcon's partner, or do you think there are three landlords on our side? I don't think falcon's partner would bring up that the nightkills looked bad for them, but maybe that's just me

[sig]

So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.

I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

sig basically just voted falcon early and then left.

[sig]

@leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[sig]

Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

[Long Con]

Leetic, I'm done not townreading you.

[Lemonfairy]

Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either

Ok, thanks for sharing.
Do you have any thoughts as to whether someone on falcon's team bussed him or if his partners stayed off of his wagon?

with so many people on him, yeah, they probably bussed

I mean, if he was going to go over anyway, why not get the cred?

[Sloonei]

@ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

I humbly request more responses, please and thanks.

[Lemonfairy]

the fact that she went back to low engagement

you mean "no engagement" (this is assuming you haven't yet read my most recent posts)
this kind of feels like you're making stuff up

I said "low" because I couldn't remember any and I skipped a chunk of posts in my catchup. The last time I accused someone of "no engagement" they had actually posted but I didn't see their posts, so I'm not doing that dumb thing again.

Anyway, I thought you townread me? What's with the hostility?

oh
that's fair ig

I thought you were making up some BS reason to scumread me out of nowhere
which now I know was my mistake

carry on

??
you're the one who pointed out that I had actually sussed you in the East Facility thread before. it wouldn't be a reason I pulled out of nowhere as an excuse to scumread you, for sure.

I don't think I said anything of the sort
iirc the reason you sussed me in the first place was because I had you consistently at the bottom of each of my read lists (which I explained were unordered) and also due to my low activity, which was fair enough

but saying I had low activity when I in fact was not actually in the thread makes me think you made up your suspicion on me because it reads to me like you are acting as though you've read my posts when you haven't
and it's an easy breezy way to start scumreading someone artificially
hence my reaction

[Lemonfairy]

Out of the original 15 east members, 6 have been eliminated and only 1 was wolf.

Based on the elimination of the west players, we know now that there's 2 wolf factions at play.

If the two sides balance each other in role distribution, we know at least 3 more wolves in the pool of east players .1 (Lime's partner [pyxxy & abi's from the west], and the other 2 east members from falcon's mafia).

I know I am civ, so that leaves me the following 8 players with 3 of them being wolves.

Cape90:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Wilgy (?)

DrWilgy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - falcon (wolf)

Dyslexicon:
1 - Master Radishes (?)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - leetic (?)

Lemonfairy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Dyslexicon (?)
3 - Monroe (civ)

Radishes:
1 - Alison (civ)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Darling (civ)

Nanook:
1 - Guillotine (civ)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Lemonfairy (?)

nutella:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Delta (?)

Windward:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Falcon (wolf)


Observations: Windward + Wilgy same voting history. 2/3 voted a wolf out. Would not vote any of them 2.

Radishes hasn't voted a single Wolf, only town. Lemon, outside of voting for lime, hasn't helped town, thus wolf but not with Lime.

Nanook is the one that would my biggest read as Lime's partner.

nutella/cape/dyslexicon then would fall in between my town and wolf reads. could see them go either way, but dont feel confidently calling them wolves like I do with Radishes and Lemon.

following your logic, you voted no one D1, DrWilgy D2, and falcon D3
outside of voting falcon, you haven't helped town

therefore you're wolf but not with falcon

[Lemonfairy]

like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

[Lemonfairy]

I'm liking how DM has really got going on the solving today, fwiw.

what?
where? pls direct me to it

[Lemonfairy]

I will join falcon

we shouldn't kill falcon

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I’ll vote to save falcon when it comes to it

TSP was hard defending falcon all day. I think I've already pointed out how questionable the third post is.

ok, but isn't that too blatant to be w/w?

[Lemonfairy]

unless you're thinking they're deliberately being too blatant to come off as that and not w/w

[nutella]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

really though? justify this assertion

[nutella]

dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

[Lemonfairy]

Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die






DM moving onto my wagon feels super gross, cuz it feels more like she's just trying to widen the gap between her wagon I, rather than actually vote for who she thinks is Maf







But I was at 6 to her 3, it feels like an overreaction. Noted she's ignored my questions that I specifically tagged her in re: her Epi read

An attempted pivot to DM, feels a bit too opportunistic for a bus

at that point, it's antispew

[DarlingMonroe]

like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone

So you think VC is insignificant? And yes context was provided in whether the player voted off was town or not, and the nuance lies in you and Radishes being the only members from the east to abstain from voting falcon and instead pushing the second largest wagon of the day for no real reason at all.

[DarlingMonroe]

dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

Nutella, if you were an east mafia player aligned with falcon, would you have joined the wagon or not?

[DarlingMonroe]

dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

to be fair, i wouldn't categorize lemon's or radishes' contributions as amazing either. I feel so confident they are mafia with falcon.


and I would say Nanook with Lime.

[DarlingMonroe]

I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

really though? justify this assertion

just read their ISOs

Cape has reads, puts nuance and thoughts into their reads, and engages with others

I don't think I've seen anything like that from Monroe
she has dropped reads but hasn't explained why beyond votes

[Lemonfairy]

plus most of her SRs are OMGUS

[DarlingMonroe]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

really though? justify this assertion

just read their ISOs

Cape has reads, puts nuance and thoughts into their reads, and engages with others

I don't think I've seen anything like that from Monroe
she has dropped reads but hasn't explained why beyond votes

I already explained, out of the 8 players from the east, based on behaviour, votes, and reads, you and radishes are wolves from the falcon mafia.

[DarlingMonroe]

In only makes sense that the east players that refused to vote falcon and tried to flip the wagon are the ones linked with Rose Empire Mafia

[Lemonfairy]

like, there is not a bit of nuance or context and you're just pulling imo unlikely conclusions based on VC alone

So you think VC is insignificant? And yes context was provided in whether the player voted off was town or not, and the nuance lies in you and Radishes being the only members from the east to abstain from voting falcon and instead pushing the second largest wagon of the day for no real reason at all.

we don't live in a world where wolves never bus each other and towns always vote wolves
realistically, the people in East facility had not had as much contact with falcon and for those of us who are not familiar with his meta, it was not obvious that he was wolf

by nuance, I meant the above considerations, which you didn't take into account
by context, I meant for example, looking at posts surrounding the votes and the timing

[Lemonfairy]

dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

like, the only thing that comes to mind would be the w/w read on Epi and falcon
which I don't think is a damning as people are making it out to be

[Lemonfairy]

I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something

[Lemonfairy]

how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?

[DarlingMonroe]

I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something

Where do I begin? I cant quote anything from the east, but pretty much everything there has shades of wolf all over. Like one of your firsts posts wondering if mafia and town were evenly separated between facilities bc one side would have more town members. That's something a wolf would wonder about only.

[DarlingMonroe]

how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?

You have been wolf from the start, and were probably aware there had to be another mafia from get-go. Then when Lime flipped other mafia, and second Day the wagons were on Ali + Sabi (both town), I bet you were so excited and just voted Dyslexicon for LOL. Happy knowing that either Lime's other partner would be eliminated or another town.

[Lemonfairy]

I feel like Cape is playing pretty ambiguously. Could be town or wolf. Not willing to go there when there's Lemon & Master.

like, all you're doing is continuously repeating that me and Radishes are wolves
at least find some wolfy quotes from us or something

Where do I begin? I cant quote anything from the east, but pretty much everything there has shades of wolf all over. Like one of your firsts posts wondering if mafia and town were evenly separated between facilities bc one side would have more town members. That's something a wolf would wonder about only.

I said it would be weird if the number of towns/mafia was unbalanced and I was worried that if it were unbalanced, statistically, one side would have higher chance of hitting town when voting

I don't see how that's a wolfy concern

[Lemonfairy]

how are y'all not seeing this?
am I the crazy one?

You have been wolf from the start, and were probably aware there had to be another mafia from get-go. Then when Lime flipped other mafia, and second Day the wagons were on Ali + Sabi (both town), I bet you were so excited and just voted Dyslexicon for LOL. Happy knowing that either Lime's other partner would be eliminated or another town.

yes, I voted Dyslexicon, but I had Dyslexicon, you, and Alison in my scumreads
you didn't have that many posts or reads so I thought it'd be boring to go after you
Alison already had a lot of votes so I didn't feel the need to jump onto her
so I voted Dyslexicon

the rest of your post is just unsubstantiated narrative you're making up

[Epignosis]

Dude...

Spoiler: show

...that is one fucked up looking thumb.

[Davos]

Arr!!!

[VOTE: Lemonfairy ] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Cape

I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is

So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

While I'm mainly looking for Falcon interactions, this caught my eye.

I can kind of see the push on falcon, can someone summarize, if they haven't, what falc did in the other thread?

This is horrifically vague.

"I can kind of see the push on falcon."

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I don't understand why you can't have an opinion on someone from a different camp. This is a defense of Falcon by way of suspecting (and voting) Wilgy.

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town









I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!








Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!








Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?

If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

As far as I can tell, this is the only direct interaction Cape had with Falcon. It's not a bad question.

I do not see that Falcon ever followed up on it though.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

I want to cross-reference this post with the earlier posts. There is a shaky defense of falcon in those.

Here is the turn, where Cape explicitly calls Falcon mafia and does so with enough gumption to call me his teammate.

So I even said:

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

Do you know falcon is mafia?

By that point, falcon had one foot out the door, and I see no evidence that Cape was really trying to figure falcon out. Cape went from defending Falcon to calling him mafia without ever even voting there.

I would call Cape a highly compatible teammate with Falcon. Could even be a Landlord.

to me, the first part looked like "falcon's pushes suck"
which, I can kind of see given the quoted reasons focus on being able to meta-read falcon and knowing falcon's "town tell"
and from what I know, Cape isn't familiar with falcon's meta

the shift from "falcon's pushes suck" to "your push on falcon looks w/w" is a little weird but I think it's not the same as going from defending falcon to scumreading falcon

I want to say you've got this all wrong.

[Epignosis]

I vote that Ricochet be permanently smiley cursed henceforth.

[nutella]

dms contributions aren't amazing but I do not think capes are on the order of "obviously much much townier" and there are various points against him that have been discussed

Nutella, if you were an east mafia player aligned with falcon, would you have joined the wagon or not?

Not sure what you mean. Would I bus? Depends on circumstances? But unlikely here I think