Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[leetic]

The DM wagon at EoD3 had MR, TSP, Epi, and Sloonei alongside flipped wolves falcon and Lemonfairy. One could say that VCA looks bad for MR, but eh, I doubt 3/4 of the wolves are on the same wagon anyway. So I guess NANOOK's D3 vote on Lemonfairy still makes sense in that regard, especially since Ricochet basically told everyone to ignore the Lemonfairy wagon.

[leetic]

Still, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, even if you're the last arbiter we still have a common enemy, so who from your thread looks worst based solely on Brad interactions? (I know they won't respond, but worth a shot) (anyone else from that thread is invited to answer as well)

[leetic]

Not something I envy, since I doubt Abby would have been caught by pyxxy interactions alone. Still, once the last arbiter is dead, all cred from pushing flipped arbiters will expire

[Long Con]

What is happening here??

[Long Con]

Not something I envy, since I doubt Abby would have been caught by pyxxy interactions alone. Still, once the last arbiter is dead, all cred from pushing flipped arbiters will expire

No, Abby was more heralded for leading the pyxxy yeet. It was a good bus.

[leetic]

Going to try to finish up what I did yesterday but I'm not in the mood to go in as much detail for the explanations.

Cape - Generally vibed with reads. Feels like they have been reading my posts. Similar to town Cape I've seen in the past.
Sabi - Never really vibed with Sabi's reads. Didn't pay much attention to them either. Skimmed through ISO and think they could be wolf. I did think their post about thread being boring and hoping someone will stir the pot was kind of towny but it's not something solid I can lean on.
Master Radishes - Hmmm Radishes is actually OK. Next.
DrWilgy - Wilgy's ISO is not as bad as I thought it would be TBH. The frog noises tickled me. This is more of a tone read though.
DarlingMonroe - Not a lot of reads. Not feeling the tone either. Could be wolf.

Would probably order like so:
Cape
Master Radishes
Sabi
DrWilgy
Darling Monroe

If I added everyone else:
Cape
Windward
nutella

Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
DrWilgy

Nanook
Sabi
Darling Monroe

IDK how I feel about this but it is what it is.

Another instance of rule of 3 in Lemonfairy's ISO pointing to NANOOK

[leetic]

A cursory glance at Lemonfairy's ISO does look good for WWA and nutella being unaligned. Haven't looked too in deeply at Lemonfairy interactions, though it may not matter very soon

[Sloonei]

Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?

[Long Con]

Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?

Sure! But why again?

[leetic]

Not something I envy, since I doubt Abby would have been caught by pyxxy interactions alone. Still, once the last arbiter is dead, all cred from pushing flipped arbiters will expire

No, Abby was more heralded for leading the pyxxy yeet. It was a good bus.

Still, where did that get her? A good lesson on why you don't bus in multiball, at least not that early in the game. Believe me, I've made that mistake before.

[Long Con]

Not something I envy, since I doubt Abby would have been caught by pyxxy interactions alone. Still, once the last arbiter is dead, all cred from pushing flipped arbiters will expire

No, Abby was more heralded for leading the pyxxy yeet. It was a good bus.

Still, where did that get her? A good lesson on why you don't bus in multiball, at least not that early in the game. Believe me, I've made that mistake before.

Sobering education indeed.

[Long Con]

There was some early Lemonfairy voting as I recall. Five votes in the first quarter of the day? A few days ago. Memorable. I didn't get in on it because it was like WHOA that escalated quickly.
Now those voters can maybe feel some love.

[leetic]

There was some early Lemonfairy voting as I recall. Five votes in the first quarter of the day? A few days ago. Memorable. I didn't get in on it because it was like WHOA that escalated quickly.
Now those voters can maybe feel some love.

Still, the other main wagon was also an arbiter so it really doesn't count for much. I'd look at the people who tried to start the DM wagon… is what I'd say if two of them had not already flipped arbiter.

[leetic]

I mean, you can give MR a little scrutiny for it if you want. It'd be funny if three wolves piled on DM but still couldn't save falcon.

[Sloonei]

Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?

Sure! But why again?

Interactions with Abigail and Lemonfairy

[Long Con]

Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?

Sure! But why again?

Interactions with Abigail and Lemonfairy

Works for me.

[leetic]

[VOTE: Lemon Fairy ] aubergine

Arr!!

Arr!!!

[VOTE: Lemonfairy ] aubergine

Alright, probably the last time I'll be doing these interaction analyses this game! And surprisingly, we actually do have something from Davos! They voted Lemonfairy twice! Granted, at EoD3 it was just them and NANOOK in the wagon, and they later switched to Sloonei for some indiscernible reason D4, so maybe not the most credit can be gained from this

[Delta]

came back to another wolf dead
p sick

@leetic can you give me someone to ISO here I feel v out of touch with things ;_; have a bit of time to focus now so would like to get back on track \o/

[Delta]

kinda a question for the crowd anyway I'll take any tasks and go disappear off and go do them

need some sort of focus

[leetic]

came back to another wolf dead
p sick

@leetic can you give me someone to ISO here I feel v out of touch with things ;_; have a bit of time to focus now so would like to get back on track \o/

Just pick any of the remaining people from the other thread. Perhaps MR or nutella, since I have more mixed feelings on them.

[Delta]

came back to another wolf dead
p sick

@leetic can you give me someone to ISO here I feel v out of touch with things ;_; have a bit of time to focus now so would like to get back on track \o/

Just pick any of the remaining people from the other thread. Perhaps MR or nutella, since I have more mixed feelings on them.

on it \o/

[leetic]

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Cape is also fine.

I'm still in opposition to a DM yeet.

why
I think Cape is 200% townier than DM

Meta reasons, and I've stated this in previous games where I've been correct 3/3 times so far.

DM as W I don't think can follow some of the processes I've seen this game. Wolf DM would be more scattered in read I think.

Out of the original 15 east members, 6 have been eliminated and only 1 was wolf.

Based on the elimination of the west players, we know now that there's 2 wolf factions at play.

If the two sides balance each other in role distribution, we know at least 3 more wolves in the pool of east players .1 (Lime's partner [pyxxy & abi's from the west], and the other 2 east members from falcon's mafia).

I know I am civ, so that leaves me the following 8 players with 3 of them being wolves.

Cape90:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Wilgy (?)

DrWilgy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - falcon (wolf)

Dyslexicon:
1 - Master Radishes (?)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - leetic (?)

Lemonfairy:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Dyslexicon (?)
3 - Monroe (civ)

Radishes:
1 - Alison (civ)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Darling (civ)

Nanook:
1 - Guillotine (civ)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Lemonfairy (?)

nutella:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Sabi (civ)
3 - Delta (?)

Windward:
1 - Lime (wolf)
2 - Alison (civ)
3 - Falcon (wolf)


Observations: Windward + Wilgy same voting history. 2/3 voted a wolf out. Would not vote any of them 2.

Radishes hasn't voted a single Wolf, only town. Lemon, outside of voting for lime, hasn't helped town, thus wolf but not with Lime.

Nanook is the one that would my biggest read as Lime's partner.

nutella/cape/dyslexicon then would fall in between my town and wolf reads. could see them go either way, but dont feel confidently calling them wolves like I do with Radishes and Lemon.

@Lemonfairy re the above, this post here is a good example of DM following what I'd call their town process.

At this rate I'll probably end up voting Cape, but still think MR is a good vote.

I've reskimmed MR, Abi, and Lime Coke and I do think all 3 are compatible.

In the east thread it did feel like MR was trying to pull away from the Lime wagon when it was forming, opting to vote Alison instead. MR did voice a meta reason for suspecting both, but the timing of the Alison vote feels very much hindering the momentum on Lime's wagon. The only interaction here between Abi and MR was encouraging a post that put Abi as a tr.

Don't feel a need to vote Lemon, but I also trust the Cape voters more than the Lemon voters.

Thoughts:
Kinda poop that Sabi died not voting for the D3.

Regarding previous wagons that are more developed from east side:
MR is wolf unless the Alison D1 (cw to lime) wagon was pure.

Nook has ended on T D1 and D2. If Lemon is town, yeet this slot.

WWA was on both W yeets that occurred with them in thread.

No further patterns are immediately visible.

Nook, MR, Delta I think are good votes.

Lemon probably helps us resolve Nook, so I could vote there, but I'd rather just vote Nook.

MR I'm still most comfortable with voting.

Delta as an option last cycle felt correct and that feeling hasn't changed. This is just gut.

Cape's fine, but I'm starting to question if the wagon is just 'this is fine I guess.'

DM, Epi, Nut, Rico, Sig, WWA all are towny. Maybe I could put Leetic and Sloonei on that list as well, but perhaps get a towny borderline placement.

if you weren't mentioned, it's because my brain is empty and I have no thoughts.

A little bit of a mixed bag for Wilgy here. On the one hand, they were actively pushing against the DM wagon, and given that the other two wagons flipped wolf, this is a good look for Wilgy being unaligned with the arbiters. Still, the D4 interactions aren't the greatest, kind of pushing against the idea of a Lemonfairy wagon, but not the worst thing in the world.

[leetic]

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

In an atmosphere of groovy solving energy, these posts stick out:

first

actually, I'll come back tomorrow

it's nice to have everyone in one thread again but at the same time, it feels so disorienting and I can't remember half of you

I agree with this
I made an early hipster
light push on Lemon

She would fit as wolf
from her general vibe in thread
blending in just right

She was active ish
on day one posting readlists,
but almost too nice

I quite like that my
and Sloonei's vibe reads match up
so sure, [VOTE: lemon] aubergine

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

All the DM voters are players that weren't in the same thread as them.

Wild.

I will fix that now
[VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine because
lemon big post town

(but really i did
read it and her thoughts vibe true
and the wagon's stale)

plus already was
considering monroe vote
delta thing was weird

nutella did get on Lemonfairy's case early, which is good. Still, they jumped off Lemonfairy into DM, which isn't the greatest. They had Lemonfairy as a suspect throughout, but most of their interactions from that point forward were arguments over Cape90 and other disputes over reads. Still, they shot Lemonfairy over NANOOK, which counts for something even if wolves' options in that situation at that point were limited.

[leetic]

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

Bleh whatever voting nut is dumb

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

I'm pretty sure there's one in lemon/leetic

And the porscha voters

I don't super think nutella is town but that's not a today probably

Other than that idk

NANOOK's presence in this game is so forgettable that I accidentally skipped over them, twice. They have a couple Lemonfairy votes, but nothing impressive, as expected. Interestingly, about the same progression (or lack thereof) as Davos, so perhaps they're the same person.

[leetic]

Maybe I'll look at their ISO more in depth later, but for now I'm fine with just saying WWA isn't an arbiter. They were on Lemonfairy early and only left to vote falcon.

[leetic]

@Master Radishes talk to me about lemonfairy and their five votes.

Lemonfairy started D1 in the East Facility fairly talkative. Did her own thing and didn't really get mixed up in any larger arguments or discussions. Probably a few individual posts I'd lean 'town' on, but nothing I'd call unfakeable. Readslists seemed a bit questionable (e.g. the quieter Nook and Dizzy higher up, someone chatty like Windy unsorted, a sudden drop of Dizzy, etc) though they all were given explanations. Big drop off D2.

Feels like a slot worth pushing, but not a definite hit.

Haven't really paid attention to the individual votes on her.

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Damn we on the same wavelength. I was even thinking about TSP recently and how he fit into teams fairly easily.

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

I've only just read posts from him for the first time (these recent ones) and yeah they can be town!TSP for sure.

Oh well at least we're discussing him.

Let's go back to killing Lemonfalcon

Actually I'm fine with any of the main wagons (Delta, DM, Falcon, Lemon) dying, really. To varying extents I'm not convinced on any of them much more than any other, but sure let's kill someone and see what happens.

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine


I was going to vote Lemonfairy just to make a viable counterwagon but the voters are kinda...uh.

MR's Lemonfairy interactions are overall meh, nothing that really moves the needle in terms of reading this slot. Still, congrats on getting four wolves out of six in that one post I guess (even if two had already flipped at that point).

[Delta]

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

probably not quite what you're after Leetic but considering Falcon/Lemon were aligned this caught my eye anyway

@nutella what caused the change in read on Falcon between these posts? I dont think you ever explained it & later you doubled down and said you didnt think Falcon flipped wolf by EOD so ?_?

Because looking at his posts between these two, it's not really.. inspiring? he has a few posts about how hes obvtown n stuff, I dont get how that shifts him from scumlean to townlean !_!

[Delta]

Good thing GoC doesn't have any history of a wolf team getting decimated then the last wolf soloing it to victory.

[Epignosis]

Just a note to mention that I've been assigned a dozen articles in preparation for the Super Bowl.

YAY money.

RIP time.

[leetic]

My new list of most to least likely to flip arbiter:
NANOOK
MR
nutella/DrWilgy (about the same)
WWA

[Delta]

I dont think MR is an Arbiter on skim, he mentioned trying to start conversation about Lemon D1 & posts around flipped Arbiters seem okay?

Nothing that outright feels unpairing as there's moments where he kinda just sets Falcon/Lemon aside in favor of pursuing DM & myself, which is a little eh? But GtH I dont think he's a likely partner to them. If someone from the other thread could reaffirm what MR mentioned about prodding Lemon day 1 I'd appreciate it though since obviously I cant really verify it myself x_X

Landlord at a stretch, but I dont think he fits as an Arbiter

[Delta]

Just a note to mention that I've been assigned a dozen articles in preparation for the Super Bowl.

YAY money.

RIP time.

[Long Con]

Just a note to mention that I've been assigned a dozen articles in preparation for the Super Bowl.

YAY money.

RIP time.

I'd offer to help but I don't really listen to Taylor Swift.

[nutella]

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

probably not quite what you're after Leetic but considering Falcon/Lemon were aligned this caught my eye anyway

@nutella what caused the change in read on Falcon between these posts? I dont think you ever explained it & later you doubled down and said you didnt think Falcon flipped wolf by EOD so ?_?

Because looking at his posts between these two, it's not really.. inspiring? he has a few posts about how hes obvtown n stuff, I dont get how that shifts him from scumlean to townlean !_!

Idk tbh, I townread him at the beginning of the game and the wagonomics was a factor, idr about his posting that day specifically but I just didn't particularly feel it

[Scotty]

Question 4:

[Long Con]

Question 4:

@Scotty @S~V~S

[Epignosis]

I don’t remember who was on my side besides LC and Eli and leetic and sloonei but at least three of those are capable of solving the game if they want so it’s in their hands now good night

Good thing you've got Eli over there.

Do not underestimate my ability to fuck things up.

[Epignosis]

How did Epi treat Rico?

Spoiler: show

The serious answer is "The people analyzing pyxxy for clues."

leetic, Ricochet, me, and...

I'm sorry I've forgotten the drummer's name.

I vote that Ricochet be permanently smiley cursed henceforth.

nutella, why is Sloonei not mafia?

His posts.


Lots of genuine perspective and progression fmpov.

Is Rico wrong or mafia then?

He didn't. But that's par for the course, it appears.

What was the purpose of this post?

[Epignosis]

Back on the [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine train, I guess.

Why?

[WindwardAway]

Eyyyy we got another arbiter flip
That does not change my opinion at all that the last one is exactly Nanook
If it's not nanook then idk, it could be Wilgy but I doubt it

[WindwardAway]

Doubt it because I'm so sure it's just Nook

[WindwardAway]

Eyyyy we got another arbiter flip
That does not change my opinion at all that the last one is exactly Nanook
If it's not nanook then idk, it could be Wilgy but I doubt it

Could be a landlord I guess
But see my earlier reasoning on why Nook would be an arbiter

[WindwardAway]

I think Nook is scummy at any rate and I will not let go of this notion

[Sloonei]

How did Epi treat Rico?

Spoiler: show

The serious answer is "The people analyzing pyxxy for clues."

leetic, Ricochet, me, and...

I'm sorry I've forgotten the drummer's name.

I vote that Ricochet be permanently smiley cursed henceforth.

nutella, why is Sloonei not mafia?

His posts.


Lots of genuine perspective and progression fmpov.

Is Rico wrong or mafia then?

He didn't. But that's par for the course, it appears.

What was the purpose of this post?

Curiosity. I drew no conclusions.

[Epignosis]

How did Epi treat Rico?

Spoiler: show

The serious answer is "The people analyzing pyxxy for clues."

leetic, Ricochet, me, and...

I'm sorry I've forgotten the drummer's name.

I vote that Ricochet be permanently smiley cursed henceforth.

nutella, why is Sloonei not mafia?

His posts.


Lots of genuine perspective and progression fmpov.

Is Rico wrong or mafia then?

He didn't. But that's par for the course, it appears.

What was the purpose of this post?

Curiosity. I drew no conclusions.

[WindwardAway]

Still, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, even if you're the last arbiter we still have a common enemy, so who from your thread looks worst based solely on Brad interactions? (I know they won't respond, but worth a shot) (anyone else from that thread is invited to answer as well)

Btw
Quick thoughts on this, it would be weird to appeal to the last arbiter as, well, the last arbiter? Of course it could be a gambit but if the distribution is even as people keep saying, and Rico and falcon were from West, and Lemon was from East, then I would not bet on leetic being scum at all anyway.

[Sloonei]

Back on the [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine train, I guess.

Why?

The language with which you expressed your suspicion against them made me believe there was more to it than met the eye.

[WindwardAway]

If the thread distribution was even, then I believe both the last landlord and the last arbiter were in East Facility, meaning my half of the thread.

I would like to hunt for scum there first, before looking at West Facility.
Usually I'd call this a stupid assumption, but I think given the flips, it's pretty reasonable now.

[Long Con]

If the thread distribution was even, then I believe both the last landlord and the last arbiter were in East Facility, meaning my half of the thread.

I would like to hunt for scum there first, before looking at West Facility.
Usually I'd call this a stupid assumption, but I think given the flips, it's pretty reasonable now.

I am in agreement to all your recent thoughts.

[sig]

If the thread distribution was even, then I believe both the last landlord and the last arbiter were in East Facility, meaning my half of the thread.

I would like to hunt for scum there first, before looking at West Facility.
Usually I'd call this a stupid assumption, but I think given the flips, it's pretty reasonable now.

I’d agree with this. While it isn’t impossible the split wasn’t even I can’t imagine either team had 3 players in the thread and allowed their teammate to be killed that early.