Sims Mafia game thread - Town win

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Whelp

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We sleep today yeah?

[Lime Coke]

Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

[S~V~S]

I'm not quite sure where the vote stands but I think my vote will make a tie.

LongC case on SVS has me willing to look more closely in her direction

I did wonder about Daisy with that vote but her explanation vibed with me as I have done similar since threads are locked down now

But I'm going with my gut and voting Syn

I asked Daisy this, and I'm going to ask you.

Can you point out to me the specific parts you especially like about his case?

What I mean when I ask this (and I am going to ask @Spacedaisy this too) is to tell me *specifically* which points he made that you find so convincing. Not a general thing, but specifics, please. Becasue I really want to know.

Here it is. I spoilered the first part which is moreso about Wilgys yeet than about what a fucking menace I am. But I left it there.

Spoiler: show

wilgy knows in a battle of wim he'll always out-class me, since I don't duel with wall-posts and structured paragraphs

but this is him wolfing

What's the difference between Wilgy town and Wilgy wolf?

I know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time

wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked

Now that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?

it's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following days

of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later

Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.

That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:

That's egregious

I know, right?

Even I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages

He was the person most actively solving.

Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .

If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.

I could also vote for sig again tbh.

Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.

We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.

Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?

Abi is just...

Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1

Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.

S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:

sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy

... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning. I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[S~V~S]

We sleep today yeah?

Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

OK, I just saw this in Jays recent game, and asked about it in the chat.

It is something I am unfamiliar with, and don't totally understand. Choosing not to eliminate someone at this point, I mean.

Elimination is the towns only tool, and I don't understand giving it up (although with both Daisy and Roxy finding LC's case to be so compelling, I can see that I might be on the menu today) and allowing the wolves another NK. I think it's a maths thing, right?

Thanks!

[Lime Coke]

We sleep today yeah?

Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

OK, I just saw this in Jays recent game, and asked about it in the chat.

It is something I am unfamiliar with, and don't totally understand. Choosing not to eliminate someone at this point, I mean.

Elimination is the towns only tool, and I don't understand giving it up (although with both Daisy and Roxy finding LC's case to be so compelling, I can see that I might be on the menu today) and allowing the wolves another NK. I think it's a maths thing, right?

Thanks!

Yeahhh it's still even number, 6, and choosing sleep here will make it Final 5.

And since it's mountainous and only 2 mafia we're safe to do it here.

[Lime Coke]

Like it depends on how you like to play it.

Personally I prefer to not say anything and go right to sleep, including everyone else.

However I haven't played in a way that makes me think saying nothing and sleeping straight forward will benefit me.

I'm totally fine with using the whole time to discuss (Granted I don't think hammer exists in this game) so yeah.

[S~V~S]

OK, thanks. So it is a maths thing, a miselim today would be worse in the long run than no elim at all.

Yeah, i guess with no hammer 48 hours of silence would be excruciating for us and the host lol. No discussion would make total sense with a hammer, though.

[Long Con]

Yeah, that makes sense. Let's sleep. I can't remember the last time I've done this. Maybe never. [VOTE: sleep] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Vote: Sleep

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's an info thing

If we vote wrong today we lose by sleeping today theres one less name in the pool our odds are slightly higher to elim correctly in F5 than in F6 either way we have one shot to be correct

[Long Con]

Are we avoiding discussion today in order to not help Wolves plan? Is sleep really sleep?

Should we all say our top 2 Wolves or anything? Or would that just give fuel to NK WIFOM?

[Roxy]

Sleep so do I respond to anything or what?
Not sure I understand the ins or outs of it

Rules please!

[Lime Coke]

Uhhh you can discuss if you want tbh.

[Lime Coke]

In terms of what I'm thinking as of this moment.

[Roxy]

No one else is really responding to anything

Maybe I shouldn't either

vote sleep

[Roxy]

Happy almost Friday everyone

[Long Con]

Ok, let's play a game then! LCon1.SVS2.LCoke3.Rox4.Abi5.SD6..someone roll a d6 and tell me the result.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Ok, let's play a game then! LCon1.SVS2.LCoke3.Rox4.Abi5.SD6..someone roll a d6 and tell me the result.

4

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Wish this game had hammer lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways I'm always snap voting tomorrow

[Spacedaisy]

I'm sorry guys, I have had a busy few days and I wasn't expecting it, so I'm going to try and catch up tonight and tomorrow.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

I guess I can ISO Lime Coke over night and look over Michelle again too.

Did our host tell us how ties were decided? Will our hosts tell us how ties are decided, if they have not already?

@Thunal33

[Thunal33]

Thread locked

[Thunal33]

Day 4 elimination
Poll ended at Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:00 pm


☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
6
60%
Voters: Roxy, Long Con, S~V~S, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Lime Coke, Spacedaisy
Host/spec
4
40%
Voters: Scotty, JaggedJimmyJay, Thunal33, Syn
Total votes: 10

[Thunal33]

Everyone settled in to sleep for the night.

@☆Princess Abigail☆
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@Roxy
@S~V~S
@Spacedaisy

[Thunal33]

Johnny Zest was the disowned son of the wealthy Landgraab family who quit school to become a comedian. He has the stage name and the dream but not so much talent, having only level 2 skill in comedy. He appeared in the Sims 4 and lived in a trailer home in Oasis Springs.

Johnny is similar to a character named Dudley Landgraab in The Sims. They have both been disowned by the Landgraabs and live in trailers in a sandy region. Since “Johnny” could be a stage name, it’s possible Johnny is the Sims 4’s version of Dudley.

Princess Abigail died of laughter after hearing the funniest joke in the world. She was Johnny Zest,

Spoiler: show

vanilla townie

Today is Lylo. There will be no locked votes or hammer.


@☆Princess Abigail☆
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@Roxy
@S~V~S
@Spacedaisy

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, that was a telling kill. Why Abigail and not someone who was getting more town cred?

[Spacedaisy]

This might be the first time LC and I are town together and can form the LC connection finally.

I don't think Long Con and Lime Coke can be wolf teammates together. This was quite brazen alignment if they are.

[Spacedaisy]

Thar leaves me with...

Epi
Abbi
Roxy
Spacedaisy

Kind of in my poe...or list of who I'd vote today?

Day 1 PoE contains all people I know are civs, save Roxy.

[Spacedaisy]

Town:
Michelle
LCx2
Falcon
Syn

Add SVS here maybe? Kinda liked the recent posts.

Right, so I just realized this plus me makes it 6.

If these 5 specifically are town then this game is basically a W for town.

It's like I'm a genius or something.

I like that he questioned his PoE/town core a bit here. But it depends on what he does with it from there.

Right now I say, if Lime Coke is wolf, I lean either Roxy or SVS (who he added as an afterthought) as his partner.

Continuing ISO. I'm going to try and treat everyone left with one before the day is over.

[Spacedaisy]

This is the game where I will not to do much because I don't have time (until weekend, at least) but also I don't have to, because I have a pretty solid town core.

SVS is also out of 'who I would chop toDay' list.

Wait who's all in that?

Based on my memory me, you, Long Con, Wilgy, Roxy, adding SVS for that post.
Idk if Sin is making that push as a wolf, I don’t like the read but also he seems confident he can read me, which is untrue but also what if his impression is true for him?
Also I think I like Syn, passed the vibe test.
Last 2 out of town core.
I am probably very generous with the reads, but also this feels like a light game so it's ok for D1

Okay, I like it and can play with that core.

Weird that he didn't point out that he had added SVS to his town core before Michelle suggested it here. Bad look for a Lime Coke/SVS possible pairing.

[Spacedaisy]

I would probably want 1 more townread to be good to go.

Yours or from me?

Well from me but I'm taking your townreads seriously.

Feel free to criticize them if you feel I am wrong

Too busy criticizing myself.

Where did he criticize his own or anyone else's reads? Nowhere that I see.

[Spacedaisy]

[VOTE: Princess Agibail] aubergine

Why?

I might switch to Sig or Wilgy.

But why?

More than likely Wilgy.

Again, why?

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Whhhhyyyyyy?

Why did no one ask him to explain his votes. You jump on me for drive by voting and not explaining when I literally had no time to but no one bothered to ask Lime Coke why he voted abi, why he would probably switch, and why he chose Wilgy to switch to? I hope as I move forward in the ISO I find someone who does eventually ask. You should have asked him at this point. Forced him to take some kind of stand instead of letting him ride the trains.

[Spacedaisy]

Well Falcon voted Sig.

After trying to use Night Kill Analysis and it failing me in Fallout...do I even bother with using it here?

I feel like anytime I've tried it, it's just sent me down the wrong path.

I don't know what to make of this. It feels a bit like pushing a civ vote without overtly pushing for a civ vote. A TMI to proactively distance from a sig mislim. But it could just be a civ feeling conflicted about what to make of the NK. I could see it both ways.

[Spacedaisy]

Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

Sus, man. While I voted last minute, and the vote was tied before I cast my vote, once it processed as cast, the moves of other people (Lime Coke being one) had already happened from the look of the vote numbers when the page refreshed after I submitted. I think I cast my vote at like 9:58 maybe? I was trying to type up a quick post at 9:59 to explain my vote, but when I submitted the post, it was the deadline exactly and the thread was closed.

[Spacedaisy]

Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

He was someone who voted last minute. He should know that I voted very close to the deadline, not 11 minutes before. He was clearly watching the vote, waiting to move, he told us that.
I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

so sometime in the 11 minutes before EOD, Daisy voted for Wilgy and didn't make a post about it or anything else

Yup.

[Spacedaisy]

Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

He was someone who voted last minute. He should know that I voted very close to the deadline, not 11 minutes before. He was clearly watching the vote, waiting to move, he told us that.
I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

so sometime in the 11 minutes before EOD, Daisy voted for Wilgy and didn't make a post about it or anything else

Yup.

I don't know why my post didn't go through correctly, but he told us he was watching the poll, waiting to move. He should know perfectly well that I voted in the last minute or two of the poll, not the last 11 minutes of the poll. Why would he not point this out?

[Spacedaisy]

Maybe you need to do NK analysis with a level of WIFOM. I think wolves rarely make kills that point directly to them.


From what I can tell, both Spacedaisy and Lime Coke thought they were breaking a three-way tie, or at least deciding the result?

I feel like WIFOM is even worse.


Also yeah speaking for myself I fully thought I was breaking the tie and was the deciding vote...was sorta hoping it would be me hammering mafia and clearing myself but didn't happen.

Point in his favor. Is it possible we maybe cross voted? But why would he say he didn't remember who moved to Wilgy first, if he didn't know? I legit have no idea, because they voted between the time it was a three-way tie and the time the poll refreshed after I pushed submit on my vote.

[Spacedaisy]

I can sum up the rest of his posts as "I don't know, I suck at mid game, I'm so confused, I don't understand the kills," sprinkled heavily with agreement with others' opinions. Not a good look.

I could see Lime Coke as a wolf. Am I certain it's him? Not yet. Hopefully reading everyone will give me a better idea.

If Lime Coke is wolf, I'm betting either SVS or Roxy as partner. Could he be partnered with Long Con, yeah, but I think it's unlikely. If he is bad, it looks more likely that he was pocketing Long Con.

Off to ISO Roxy now, because I know that will be quickest.

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, I read all of Roxy, but I don't have a single post I want to quote because Roxy looks civ af to me. She is firm in her suspicions, she is slow to change them. She is not pocketing anyone. She is pushing other people to actually make some firm statements and give reasons. I don't see any reason to suspect her and frankly, if this is her wolf play, I will gladly lose to her in this game, because I can't see it at all.

[Spacedaisy]

I need dinner (yes dinner at nearly 12:30 am, because I live a weirdo schedule. And then I will come back to do the last two ISOs.

[Long Con]

Spacedaisy, coming in strong for the lategame!

Abigail as the kill makes me think they wanted her opinion out of LYLO. Abi is a player who tends to hold tight to her townreads, so I assume the Wolves want to push a player that Abi wouldn't vote for. I'd have to go back and see what she gave for reads. I'm feeling that Sleepy Day jet lag.

[Long Con]

This might be the first time LC and I are town together and can form the LC connection finally.

I don't think Long Con and Lime Coke can be wolf teammates together. This was quite brazen alignment if they are.

This felt towny to me on a personal level at the start of the game, it felt... not fake. Like a real sentiment, and not a pocket. I don't want to believe he'd say this as a Wolf, he wouldn't want to waste it by making it a lie.

[Spacedaisy]

Spacedaisy, coming in strong for the lategame!

Abigail as the kill makes me think they wanted her opinion out of LYLO. Abi is a player who tends to hold tight to her townreads, so I assume the Wolves want to push a player that Abi wouldn't vote for. I'd have to go back and see what she gave for reads. I'm feeling that Sleepy Day jet lag.

I disagree. I think it's less about her opinion and more about the opinion of one of the strong players still in game, specifically you or SVS. One of you was left in because they think you are an easy mark for getting a mislim.

[Spacedaisy]

By that I mean, whoever your main suspect is, probably is civ.

[Spacedaisy]

The thing is, I think the other one is likely a wolf.

[Spacedaisy]

In situation like this, where if we mislim the mafia win, it's not about who is out, it's about who is still in. They want to keep people in that will be one of two things:

1. Easy to misliim
2. Easy to convince to vote a mislim

So I know why I'm here. I'm an easy mislim. Why are you still here Long Con? And SVS?

I'll be reading you guys next. But Long Con, if you are town, and they kept you alive because your opinion will make it easy to sway you into a mislim, then we have to ask who would that be? Seems SVS to me. But that would mean both you and SVS are civ and make the team Roxy and Lime Coke and I don't think Roxy is bad.

If it's SVS that has been kept in for her strong opinion, then it would have to be me they will try to swing a mislim on. And that would make the team either you and Lime Coke, or Roxy and Lime Coke. And again, I don't think Roxy is bad.

Neither Roxy nor Lime Coke have come out strong enough to be evaluated against this.