Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[Long Con]

Of course, I meant "has". I did not properly vet my voice to text.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of course, I meant "has". I did not properly vet my voice to text.

I believe only Wilgy hasn’t posted on Day 2.

[Long Con]

Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

Just because it's a reasonable piece of evidence to decry any emoji tells you might be implying:

Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.

Maybe my Wolf team just believes in the power of my song.

A Wolf has a significant advantage in a musical duel against a Townie, because they are automatically up two votes, assuming a team of three.

For those of you playing along at home, this is from Battle of the Bands, aka "last game".

[Long Con]

Of course, I meant "has". I did not properly vet my voice to text.

I believe only Wilgy hasn’t posted on Day 2.

This game probably has no power roles beyond Kagemusha and the other dude and their whole thing.

That's what I've been assuming. If we have some Town PRs, then hey, so much the better. But I doubt it. Entirely possible I missed something about the topic in the rules.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.

[Long Con]

If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.

Why, is he never wrong or something?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.

Why, is he never wrong or something?

He’s wrong sometimes of course. But a town Wilgy strongly points in that direction given all of my other solving today. If Wilgy is town, I struggle to see how both of Tony and falcon are also town. By POE it’s difficult to reconcile, and I have at least that much faith in Wilgy’s intuition.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Conversely:

I think a mafia Wilgy suggests a town falcon. I’d be undecided about Tony’s association.

[DrWilgy]

Good hello friends

[DrWilgy]

I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.

[DrWilgy]

If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.

Why, is he never wrong or something?

Sure would be a shame if W Jay set up my mis and then used my legacy for more chops

[DrWilgy]

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.

You’ve also seen town me pivot. We’ve had this conversation before. Sometimes minds change.

[DrWilgy]

I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.

You’ve also seen town me pivot. We’ve had this conversation before. Sometimes minds change.

Not like this, this feels coordinated. You're too firm. Town pivoty Jay is more squishy?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've lightly skimmed.

Jay's suspicion of me is weird in that Jay advised d1 that they were mostly in sync with me on most things.

Feels like a change in stance that's riddled with agenda. I've seen W Jay do this same pivot on me prior. Makes me think Jay should never make it to lylo.

You’ve also seen town me pivot. We’ve had this conversation before. Sometimes minds change.

Not like this, this feels coordinated. You're too firm. Town pivoty Jay is more squishy?

I’ve been squishy all day, and I am squishy about this. I said I am not sure. But you’d posted zero today until now. There’s nothing else to be said absent new material.

[DrWilgy]

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.

lol, you don't need to, but you know wolves like to.

Indeed. If I go over today, I still advocate for your flip.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.

lol, you don't need to, but you know wolves like to.

Indeed. If I go over today, I still advocate for your flip.

I actually don’t know that. It’s the world’s most token accusation, but I don’t think it happens all that much. There may be exceptions for wrongly drawing teammate connections with presumed mafia flips, but not really for town flip projections.

[DrWilgy]

lol, Jay's name is all over the search: Scotty button.

They killed the pup.

[DrWilgy]

The idea that Jay's setting up a chop chop chop via me then into my suspicion is kinda wholly how I've read today's tomfoolery.

I don’t need to “set up” anything in advance if I am mafia. The same points can be made tomorrow if I already know I’ll be here.

lol, you don't need to, but you know wolves like to.

Indeed. If I go over today, I still advocate for your flip.

I actually don’t know that. It’s the world’s most token accusation, but I don’t think it happens all that much. There may be exceptions for wrongly drawing teammate connections with presumed mafia flips, but not really for town flip projections.

I do it all the time lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If it isn’t you, Wilgy, I need help figuring it out.

“Jay is opportunistically killing me” is the only take that helps me none. Sure, whatever, who else?

[DrWilgy]

If it isn’t you, Wilgy, I need help figuring it out.

“Jay is opportunistically killing me” is the only take that helps me none. Sure, whatever, who else?

Assuming you are town I need to review Falc. I had not seen any key 'this is town Falc' posts in my skim but I advise that I missed a bunch while browsing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mean there are so many easier mischops than Wilgy in this game if that’s my agenda.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If it isn’t you, Wilgy, I need help figuring it out.

“Jay is opportunistically killing me” is the only take that helps me none. Sure, whatever, who else?

Assuming you are town I need to review Falc. I had not seen any key 'this is town Falc' posts in my skim but I advise that I missed a bunch while browsing.

I would LOVE to know what you think of Day 2 falcon. I think that’s extremely important.

[DrWilgy]

Just skimmed. Nothing puts Falc into "this is town Falc'"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy this page is more civilian than falcon on any page.

[DrWilgy]

So I agree with Epi, I don't think you noticed anything.

I only noticed that you didn't post much in Pyre (similar to Don't Starve), and that was true. You were a civilian in Pyre, so I know that "being quiet" doesn't necessarily mean you have evil intentions.

I don't have any real suspicion of you right now.

He came in quick, knowing he was voted. Snap voted you, then went to bed





And now that you don't suspect him and TR him, he's gonna give you a top TR as well




He's given a 50/50 read on Simon, prolly the least controversial read of all time





How different was his Maf game? Cuz this all seems pretty surface level stuff that I'd imagine many and most players could perform as any faction

This is the only post of Falc where I'm like "maybe there's some town intent by this review? But there's no conclusion.

T Falc trusts no one and throws votes like bread to pigeons. That's just not happening this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was given pause by the very same post. However, it led nowhere (I don't believe falcon has maintained suspicion of motobot, and that may be a product of the prospect of voting him out evaporating).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some team prospects floating in my head, with a little more dynamism:

[falcon45ca OR DrWilgy] + two of [Abigail Sophia, Long Con, LoRab], with an external tinfoil on TonyStarkPrime

LoRab seemed reasonably town earlier today, but I could see her being mafia if Wilgy is town. She'd essentially be the opportunist in that wagon.

[falcon45ca]

I’ve had “reads”. They’re of low quality. I’ve been opem about that.

For example: you’ve just voted for LoRab. Does that vote gove you confidence? Do you believe in that vote?

I am confident that either Lorab will engage, which is why I tagged them...






Or they won't. In which case I'm more than happy to see them flip

If you read my posts, you’ll see I was working pretty much the entirety of the weekend, which is why I didn’t post much. You can also see that I’ve been engaging as I catch up from Jewish holiday madness. But happy to engage with you if you give me something to engage about.

Also, she/her. (I have no issue being called they, and appreciate people not assuming gender, but in case you were wondering)

That's fair, and I appreciate the response

[falcon45ca]

So I agree with Epi, I don't think you noticed anything.

I only noticed that you didn't post much in Pyre (similar to Don't Starve), and that was true. You were a civilian in Pyre, so I know that "being quiet" doesn't necessarily mean you have evil intentions.

I don't have any real suspicion of you right now.

He came in quick, knowing he was voted. Snap voted you, then went to bed





And now that you don't suspect him and TR him, he's gonna give you a top TR as well




He's given a 50/50 read on Simon, prolly the least controversial read of all time





How different was his Maf game? Cuz this all seems pretty surface level stuff that I'd imagine many and most players could perform as any faction

This is the only post of Falc where I'm like "maybe there's some town intent by this review? But there's no conclusion.

T Falc trusts no one and throws votes like bread to pigeons. That's just not happening this game.

People change dude, and there's plenty of town games where I change my reads on players, and plenty of maf games where I vote folks like crazy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Abigail Sophia] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Kind of hard to see a mafia team without her in it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy this page is more civilian than falcon on any page.

True

[DrWilgy]

So I agree with Epi, I don't think you noticed anything.

I only noticed that you didn't post much in Pyre (similar to Don't Starve), and that was true. You were a civilian in Pyre, so I know that "being quiet" doesn't necessarily mean you have evil intentions.

I don't have any real suspicion of you right now.

He came in quick, knowing he was voted. Snap voted you, then went to bed





And now that you don't suspect him and TR him, he's gonna give you a top TR as well




He's given a 50/50 read on Simon, prolly the least controversial read of all time





How different was his Maf game? Cuz this all seems pretty surface level stuff that I'd imagine many and most players could perform as any faction

This is the only post of Falc where I'm like "maybe there's some town intent by this review? But there's no conclusion.

T Falc trusts no one and throws votes like bread to pigeons. That's just not happening this game.

People change dude, and there's plenty of town games where I change my reads on players, and plenty of maf games where I vote folks like crazy

I've never changed once my entire life.

[Epignosis]

To be clear, sig posted this before that:

The scotty kill is odd, I’ll need to do an NKA of them though.

I don’t recall a single post by PA, however both Epi and Jay reasoning mirror the game that just ended where she was civ and also misvoted fairly early I think. (I died D2 and stopped paying attention, but we won so GoC 2024 here I come )

However, given that it looks like sig was copying notes from Night 1 (in the content you referenced), your point may stand. We're forced to take that or leave it, but I don't object at this point.

Oh, okay then. Jesus. Turning 40 sucks.

Wait until 50.

@Epignosis why did you placeholder your vote on me?

You had no votes, and there's not a no-vote option. Seemed like an okay place to park at the time.

[DrWilgy]

Thoughts before the kids pull me away again.

My brain has observed a pattern with Jay that appears wolfy. I will probably require a flip to solve. Do I push for said flip and vote there or allow the opportunity for a Jay solve that's often highly beneficial for town?

Probably should yeet Falc.

No other thoughts.

Oh, Sig is probably town.

I don't really remember much else from my skin so what I advised from D1 still applies.

[Epignosis]

I don't really remember much else from my skin so what I advised from D1 still applies.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm basically dead if the trajectory holds. I can't be sure Episons will move, and the others are all positioned to vote for me in self-preservation.

With that in mind, y'all will need to take advantage of whatever time I still have. Ask me questions, interact with my proposals, or whatever else. For the moment I would call my "overall" solution the following POE pool of five players:

[Abigail Sophia, Long Con, DrWilgy, LoRab, falcon45ca]

Within them, the one for whom I have the least trust is presently Abigail Sophia. I could be wrong about any of my town reads, because none of them are comfortably founded. But this is the best I have.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Abigail Sophia] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I think she has the capacity to do better than eight measly posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, do you have any new impressions of LoRab as of today?

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, do you have any new impressions of LoRab as of today?

Not really. I've never been great when it comes to LoRab differentials- probably one of the most consistent individuals I've experienced across alignments.

[Long Con]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

I'm wide open to any better ideas.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

Also, keep in mind that the entire time you were playing "town core"...

Your vote has been on me.

[DrWilgy]

I have successfully bathed a child.

Peace was never an option.

[DrWilgy]

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy

This is a new statement out of you