Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[Long Con]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

Also, keep in mind that the entire time you were playing "town core"...

Your vote has been on me.

If you had asked, you would have liked the answer. It wasn't intended to stay, more as a guage of other JJJ-interested voters.

[DrWilgy]

thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}

This is the most substantial post. If I had a gripe, it's why a bunch of us are lumped together as good.

I did have full thoughts written out on people and they were eaten like 3 times.

The tldr was: Epi appears within town range. Scotty's thoughts on expectations was really good. LC I don't sense an agenda from. Jay's activity and agreement with my reads is probably better to take as like/like thinking as opposed to sheep/pocket for now. Moto has Epi's vouch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

Also, keep in mind that the entire time you were playing "town core"...

Your vote has been on me.

If you had asked, you would have liked the answer. It wasn't intended to stay, more as a guage of other JJJ-interested voters.

Have you learned anything from it? Not intended as rhetorical or patronizing. Literal question.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy and Tony are an interesting fit together. I don't much see it in isolation between them, but I could see the pair.

As a single pre-flip association, this read has limited value. But it'll inspire a more dedicated review of associations. I hope there's enough to work with.

Not really

I think chin scratching as opposed to offering thoughts about how I read Tony and potential insights to the "fire from hip" commentary I provided would've been more helpful than a lack of response into suspicion.

[DrWilgy]

DrWilgy's Day 1 suspicion of Tony and falcon might be the most important thing in the game to sort. I would really like to know where all three stand on each other right now.

@DrWilgy, @TonyStarkPrime, @falcon45ca

Tony meh, Falc yeet.

[DrWilgy]

Some Wilgy concerns:

Spoiler: show

Voting [VOTE: Tony] aubergine to split the vote and to keep my wolfmate moto from being a lead wagon.

Fascinating.

No one has broken my tie split and we are down to the last booblibops of day.

The only standout example of classically Wilgyan hunting, and it didn't amount to anything.

Spoiler: show

thinks going into eod.

Out of the playing players, I think TSP and Falc are the wolfier. Falc W > TSP W though.

Out of the not really here players PAbigail is probably the best vote. They were just not here enough to warrant votes compared to the rest of them. Further PAbigail not really having anything to add following catchup is bleh. I do have hestitate as I've seen this cold footed PAbigail recently be town, HOWEVER that doesn't constitute a reason to not vote them.

Scotty, LC, JJJ, Epi, Moto all have reasons as to why I wouldn't vote so that's fun.

D1 PoE put your consensus between {AbigailS, Falc, LoRab, Sig, Simon, TSP}

Wilgy didn't explain his Tony suspicion. He did explain his falcon suspicion, though I'm not sure it was respectful of falcon's town range. He criticized falcon for "not moving the thread", and I am not sure town falcon moves threads all that often.

I find this to be the single most suspicious line of Wilgy's (and perhaps in the game overall). I am not accustomed to Wilgy being so agreeable with boring shrug votes like Princess Abigail was on Day 1, and this rationale seems unWilgy-like. Especially that HOWEVER portion is kind of hard to stomach. If he is less friendly to generic slanker eliminations in general (which I would describe Wilgy to be), and he has recent memories of PA being town in the slanker body, then why endorse that wagon without any resistance or demanding something more of her other voters?

I don't know what these reasons were apart from motobot. Wilgy attributed that to Epi's read on motobot.

Spoiler: show

I am on board with the POE, Wilgy. I don't really see it with Tony, but I am willing to listen on that one.

It's just gut.

I do often find myself on this issue with Tony though. Tony's posts always have a 'shoot from the hip' feel to me and that often makes me think that progression is splotchy if not missing and that generally leads to dissonance with how I read.

SO yeah, gut read Tony W but I often gut read Tony W, so I'm hesitant to trust that without the input of others.

Just looks a little phony. I had considered that it might signal a Wilgy/Tony pair, but even without that it's iffy in isolation.

Spoiler: show

I shouldn't have given Falc the day pass. POE is too big for that.

Falc feels not like town Falc. If I'm hunting for W I vote there.

I really need to know where this read stands as of today.

Am I wrong in how I view Tony's play? Is there a a better sense of progression you get from the slot as opposed to me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy and Tony are an interesting fit together. I don't much see it in isolation between them, but I could see the pair.

As a single pre-flip association, this read has limited value. But it'll inspire a more dedicated review of associations. I hope there's enough to work with.

Not really

I think chin scratching as opposed to offering thoughts about how I read Tony and potential insights to the "fire from hip" commentary I provided would've been more helpful than a lack of response into suspicion.

The wording of this confuses me, but if I understand: there’s not much to say. Tony always does that. It’s pretty NAI. I think you said as much, which is why I barely considered it to be true “suspicion” (and considered possible compatibility).

[Long Con]

@Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

Also, keep in mind that the entire time you were playing "town core"...

Your vote has been on me.

If you had asked, you would have liked the answer. It wasn't intended to stay, more as a guage of other JJJ-interested voters.

Have you learned anything from it? Not intended as rhetorical or patronizing. Literal question.

The vote landscape on your name has not changed since then. There have been a couple of nibbles from sig and wilgy I believe, but no one has pulled the trigger on a JJJ 4th vote. Maybe that says something about either of them, a lack of opportunism.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).

[Long Con]

The good Doctor may very well be prepping himself to be your executioner, though.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy and Tony are an interesting fit together. I don't much see it in isolation between them, but I could see the pair.

As a single pre-flip association, this read has limited value. But it'll inspire a more dedicated review of associations. I hope there's enough to work with.

Not really

I think chin scratching as opposed to offering thoughts about how I read Tony and potential insights to the "fire from hip" commentary I provided would've been more helpful than a lack of response into suspicion.

The wording of this confuses me, but if I understand: there’s not much to say. Tony always does that. It’s pretty NAI. I think you said as much, which is why I barely considered it to be true “suspicion” (and considered possible compatibility).

What do you consider a true suspicion? Is not finding a reason to call someone town a true suspicion?

If so that existed. Tony was a player that I had to reason to think was town.

[DrWilgy]

The good Doctor may very well be prepping himself to be your executioner, though.

I've been considering it all evening.

Mischippin T Jay though when we are still suffering from current activity levels would get a sin however and this I hold my vote

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Abigail will currently kill me anyway.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).

So as someone who works off clear cut statements and data, is anything I've stated about normally being unable to see town tony abnormal?

[Long Con]

Abigail will currently kill me anyway.

But you've got a man on the inside, town core, buddy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).

So as someone who works off clear cut statements and data, is anything I've stated about normally being unable to see town tony abnormal?

Not abnormal at all.

That just tends to result in a null read, not a wolf read. It was unclear to me why you landed on the latter.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Abigail will currently kill me anyway.

But you've got a man on the inside, town core, buddy.

It’s almost like you’ve been

Pulling a

Long

Con

[Long Con]

Abigail will currently kill me anyway.

But you've got a man on the inside, town core, buddy.

It’s almost like you’ve been

Pulling a

Long

Con

I'm a man of my word, hoss. Lots of duplicitous types out there, but not me.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy I definitely think it would be wrong to expect clear progression from town Tony. He does his own thing, and it’s pretty much his shtick to leave half of it unsaid (perhaps wrongly assuming things to be obvious to others, no offense to Tony).

So as someone who works off clear cut statements and data, is anything I've stated about normally being unable to see town tony abnormal?

Not abnormal at all.

That just tends to result in a null read, not a wolf read. It was unclear to me why you landed on the latter.

I often reserve nulls to players I haven't read or thought about for awhile.

If you aren't null and aren't town you are worth a choppin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am comfortable with and perhaps resigned to my Abigail Sophia vote. I understand why it might be underwhelming after the previous Abigail.

But I’ve showed all my work. I didn’t shrug my way to this one. I’ll live with the results, whatever they are

[DrWilgy]

And that's mainly because gut fills in the empty read with thoughts of violence and wolfy flavored meat

[DrWilgy]

We are potentially at 8 v 3 at the moment?

Blah.

2 more mischops allowed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’d love to hear everyone’s most confident civilian reads if they haven’t already shared.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

[DrWilgy]

If I flip t Jay I'll be beating my head against a wall all night.

If I flip t quiet player I'll be beating my head against a wall all night.

Gut says vote Jay. Rational though processing and risk assessment brain says vote Abigail.

[DrWilgy]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Abigail ] aubergine

Stupid numbers brain keeps me from consuming Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

I've considered the Epi/moto tinfoil. For the moment I just can't afford that tinfoil.

I just reduced the whole game to you vs. falcon a bit ago and was voting him, so that's wrong. I know that's more annoying WIFOM, but the bold and brave souls know when the annoying WIFOM is real.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I hope Abigail Sophia is mafia.

If not

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Long Con]

What a twist!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You haven't given a single read on me since early-mid Day 1 when you said I am "prolly town".

[Long Con]

Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.

I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

I've considered the Epi/moto tinfoil. For the moment I just can't afford that tinfoil.

I just reduced the whole game to you vs. falcon a bit ago and was voting him, so that's wrong. I know that's more annoying WIFOM, but the bold and brave souls know when the annoying WIFOM is real.

Why is Wilgy vs falcon wrong? Falcon could be a Wolf and Wilgy Town, and then you voting him would be right. I don't get your logic here with the WIFOM.

[DrWilgy]

Ties being not random means I'll tiebreak here for Jay yeet if needed.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You haven't given a single read on me since early-mid Day 1 when you said I am "prolly town".

You've said before that it's clear my reads evolve outside of the thread





Now you are surprised by it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is Wilgy vs falcon wrong? Falcon could be a Wolf and Wilgy Town, and then you voting him would be right. I don't get your logic here with the WIFOM.

To be clear, I was suggesting that Wilgy was wrong to pair me with falcon (which is WIFOM).

[Long Con]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You haven't given a single read on me since early-mid Day 1 when you said I am "prolly town".

You've said before that it's clear my reads evolve outside of the thread





Now you are surprised by it

Hey!


... you been readin'?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You haven't given a single read on me since early-mid Day 1 when you said I am "prolly town".

You've said before that it's clear my reads evolve outside of the thread





Now you are surprised by it

I said that about Tony.

[Long Con]

Why is Wilgy vs falcon wrong? Falcon could be a Wolf and Wilgy Town, and then you voting him would be right. I don't get your logic here with the WIFOM.

To be clear, I was suggesting that Wilgy was wrong to pair me with falcon (which is WIFOM).

Ah, thanks, I got the fuller context now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I am dead, I want to know everyone's plans of action moving forward.

We're not going to fart around while I watch from the grave. What's next? Plan ahead starting immediately.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

You haven't given a single read on me since early-mid Day 1 when you said I am "prolly town".

You've said before that it's clear my reads evolve outside of the thread





Now you are surprised by it

I said that about Tony.

Ah, well you've said it about myself in a game we played together last year






Do you now feel it's an inaccurate description of how I play?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I was mafia I would a stranglehold on this thread. It would be entirely under my control. This is a game giftwrapped to mafia Jay.

Be mindful of that next time. In 2026.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ah, well you've said it about myself in a game we played together last year

Do you now feel it's an inaccurate description of how I play?

I'm sure you do that sometimes. Everyone does that sometimes.

Why are you voting for me?

[falcon45ca]

Ah, well you've said it about myself in a game we played together last year

Do you now feel it's an inaccurate description of how I play?

I'm sure you do that sometimes. Everyone does that sometimes.

Why are you voting for me?

I think you're Maf





You talk about a stranglehold on the thread...what does that mean?





Does it mean you'd have near or over 200 posts by D2? Cuz that's what's happened

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ah, well you've said it about myself in a game we played together last year

Do you now feel it's an inaccurate description of how I play?

I'm sure you do that sometimes. Everyone does that sometimes.

Why are you voting for me?

I think you're Maf

You talk about a stranglehold on the thread...what does that mean?

Does it mean you'd have near or over 200 posts by D2? Cuz that's what's happened

What I mean is that I would have zero votes on me, because I'd be adhering to everyone's generic cookie cutter impression of my "meta" by being assertive, making cases, being extensively analytical all game instead of just today, and I would have achieved this with fewer than 200 posts. I would exhibit no turbulence. I would be a beacon of self-assurance and strategic soundness. People would look up to me instead of telling me that they don't believe in my methods. People would find warmth under my gaze instead of saying I'm "demotivated".

That's all so damned easy in a game like this. I could do it with my eyes closed. I have many times.

If I am a goofy floppy mess, it's because I am not in control and cannot take it by force. That only comes from my civilian body. This is complete truth, but nobody I know nobody cares. WIFOM is too scary, and we don't have the courage to acknowledge that it's probably legitimate.

[Long Con]

2026? Really?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis is a bit suspicious for seeming to not give a shit that I am dying.

[Long Con]

Well, is he even here?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, is he even here?

He's been around most of the day phase since I accumulated three votes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't figure Epignosis is teamed with Abigail Sophia, so we'll see how that goes. Or we won't.