Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for your careful consideration of things, sig, whatever you decide.

[LoRab]

Sorry I missed yesterday. I have strep throat. It sucks. But I’m here today.

[LoRab]

Need to read up now. As for voting for me, I don’t know what to say, as there has been no real case against me (unless there has been the past day, which I will respond to when I get there). Other than I’m civ. You’re not going to end the game by voting me, unless the game ends because the baddies win. I have had poor judgement in botes, but so has everyone else this game.

Undecided for whom I shall vote.

[LoRab]

You’re good at mafia explain to me why we’re sitting here on day 4 with a solid town core since day 2 and our PRs dead and no wolf flips

There clearly isn’t a solid town core.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

Is this a rhetorical question?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Translation: "I need LoRab here to be present as my partner, not because I suspect her."

You could have easily voted me or sig for the same purpose.

Except you & sig have actually participated, so not quite

[Long Con]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No.

[LoRab]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

I’m here now! Still catching up.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No.

What's your answer?

[LoRab]

@Long Con present view of LoRab?

Your arguments of unpairing were good, I thought. She could still be bad. Lemme glance at her now.



I can't count her out. I didn't see anything in her ISO that's out of her Wolf range. Falcon/Lorab team with a little bit of distancing by Lorab? I am sure she knows that trick. Epi might be the patsy... he votes Lorab for Epi reasons and then falcon jumps on to distance, then Lorab turns it around with a light distance vote later on.

I could see it.

I mean, I could. And I probably have. And I appreciate the compliment. But that isn’t the case this game. I’m just a civ. Trying to figure this game out.

[LoRab]

I mean that respectfully.

I have considered Long Con and LoRab as a possible team. If Epignosis is not mafia, I don't know what else it'd be. I'm also not sure it matters, because I don't see how we win this game regardless of who it is.

We are not. And if we lynch another civ, we certainly won’t. Ergo, don’t lynch me.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No.

What's your answer?

I have to provide the answer to my own question?

I'm quite sure that I've already made it perfectly clear what I think.

[LoRab]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

[Long Con]

@Long Con present view of LoRab?

Your arguments of unpairing were good, I thought. She could still be bad. Lemme glance at her now.



I can't count her out. I didn't see anything in her ISO that's out of her Wolf range. Falcon/Lorab team with a little bit of distancing by Lorab? I am sure she knows that trick. Epi might be the patsy... he votes Lorab for Epi reasons and then falcon jumps on to distance, then Lorab turns it around with a light distance vote later on.

I could see it.

I mean, I could. And I probably have. And I appreciate the compliment. But that isn’t the case this game. I’m just a civ. Trying to figure this game out.

It would be more of a compliment if you were a Wolf who had done something I thought was out of your range. Conversely, if you, as Town had done something that really made me believe it.

There are many things about you that I would be happy to compliment, but your play this game is not deserving of one, unfortunately. If it were, then I would not be voting you.

[LoRab]

LoRab asked me a question for my placeholder vote (which I had said was such), but never asked Simon anything or gave him any reason why he was suspicious. Anybody could say anybody is suspicious and leave it at that.

I explained my reasoning in depth. His response doesn’t actually answer what I said. Therefore, it didn’t change my mind.

[Long Con]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

[falcon45ca]

@Epignosis What is your read on my slot?

Don't know (that mention didn't work by the way even though it showed up red). I think my view on you depends on LoRab.

What's your take on LoRab? I think LoRab is mafia.

This is gonna sound crazy but hear me out





I vote for people I think are Mafia

[LoRab]

If the team is LoRab and falcon, then win or lose this is one of Long Con's finest hours as a civilian.

That would be so nice.

It isn’t.

And this makes me suspect you again. Because “that would be nice” makes me think you aren’t civ.

[LoRab]

What’s your thought on Lorab’s vote

I don't care for it. I was surprised that she agreed with my rationale when it squarely implicated her, and she submitted to the vote with no resistance. I'm not sure how to interpret that right now from the standpoint of a falcon/LoRab team theory, but it makes me suspect LoRab more on her own.

It was partly your logic, and mostly his reaction to it.

Yes, it implicates me, because I’m a low poster in this game, but I know I’m not bad, and so it’s likely one of the other quieter posters. I’d say it’s likely a newer player, because newer players don’t always know how to kill strategically in games in general.

Confusing moment to navigate with respect to the present conversation:

When I went on my bit about the DrWilgy kill blunder and what it meant, my first guess for the team was LoRab and falcon. Then she supported the theory. What do I do with that?

The root of the theory made sense. That doesn’t mean that you were right about the who, obviously.

[LoRab]

I think Lorab is indeed mafia. The more I think on the Simon (lack of) exchange, the more I think that's a slam dunk.

You’re wrong.

[LoRab]

@Long Con present view of LoRab?

Your arguments of unpairing were good, I thought. She could still be bad. Lemme glance at her now.



I can't count her out. I didn't see anything in her ISO that's out of her Wolf range. Falcon/Lorab team with a little bit of distancing by Lorab? I am sure she knows that trick. Epi might be the patsy... he votes Lorab for Epi reasons and then falcon jumps on to distance, then Lorab turns it around with a light distance vote later on.

I could see it.

I mean, I could. And I probably have. And I appreciate the compliment. But that isn’t the case this game. I’m just a civ. Trying to figure this game out.

It would be more of a compliment if you were a Wolf who had done something I thought was out of your range. Conversely, if you, as Town had done something that really made me believe it.

There are many things about you that I would be happy to compliment, but your play this game is not deserving of one, unfortunately. If it were, then I would not be voting you.

I meant in general, your appreciation for things I would do. And, in this case, have not.

That said, I haven’t played my best this game. Clearly, no civ has.

[LoRab]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No.

What's your answer?

I have to provide the answer to my own question?

I'm quite sure that I've already made it perfectly clear what I think.

Yeah that's fair I s'pose




I'm fine voting you, LoRab or Jay

[LoRab]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

[LoRab]

Also, happy Easter to all for whom it is sacred time!

[Long Con]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

That is not a logical conclusion. That would only make sense if we had eliminated everyone but the town core and the game hadn't ended. That is not the case yet.

[Long Con]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

Doesn't matter. We eliminate Town, the game ends.

[LoRab]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

Doesn't matter. We eliminate Town, the game ends.

Then answer the first question. Or, if you didnt want to eliminate town, and knew I was town, whom would you vote for?

[LoRab]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

That is not a logical conclusion. That would only make sense if we had eliminated everyone but the town core and the game hadn't ended. That is not the case yet.

Someone has been steering the ship towards bad lynches, in my belief. So, it is logical.

[Long Con]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

That is not a logical conclusion. That would only make sense if we had eliminated everyone but the town core and the game hadn't ended. That is not the case yet.

Someone has been steering the ship towards bad lynches, in my belief. So, it is logical.

You have voted twice, both times to eliminate a Civ.

[Long Con]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

Doesn't matter. We eliminate Town, the game ends.

Then answer the first question. Or, if you didnt want to eliminate town, and knew I was town, whom would you vote for?

It is already public knowledge that I would eliminate falcon.

[LoRab]

My top team is Lorab/falcon right now. I want this towncore to work. Your post where you were just like "ok it's JJJ and LC" was what rubbed me the wrong way.

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

That is not a logical conclusion. That would only make sense if we had eliminated everyone but the town core and the game hadn't ended. That is not the case yet.

Someone has been steering the ship towards bad lynches, in my belief. So, it is logical.

You have voted twice, both times to eliminate a Civ.

And you’ve voted 3 times to eliminate a civ….

[Long Con]

Why do believe it is a town core? Other than it has been self stated.

It's the players I believe are Town. Who else but myself can state them?

I get that. But look at the lynches. They’ve been entirely wrong. Clearly what has appeared to be town core isn’t actually. Otherwise, we’d have lynched a baddie by now.

That is not a logical conclusion. That would only make sense if we had eliminated everyone but the town core and the game hadn't ended. That is not the case yet.

Someone has been steering the ship towards bad lynches, in my belief. So, it is logical.

You have voted twice, both times to eliminate a Civ.

And you’ve voted 3 times to eliminate a civ….

LOL then I guess you should vote for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This game drives me nuts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@LoRab if you had to choose just two suspects to be the mafia team, who would they be?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unvoting for the moment so LoRab can breathe a bit.

[sig]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

I hate this post, it’s just one massive word salad saying you could go in any direction.

Meaning it gives us basically nothing if you do flip mafia and allows you and your partner to pivot onto anyone that gets attention

[sig]

I’m also not a huge fan of the LC/lorab exchange

[LoRab]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

I hate this post, it’s just one massive word salad saying you could go in any direction.

Meaning it gives us basically nothing if you do flip mafia and allows you and your partner to pivot onto anyone that gets attention

Right, but I know I won’t flip mafia. So why do I care about an impossible situation?

[LoRab]

And I am quickly losing motivation to defend myself. Because you are all clearly determined to lynch me. And I know I’m not bad. And I know that I’m unlikely to convince you all of that.

So, I’ll ask you 2 questions:

If I was off the table for this lynch, for whom would you be voting?

And

When you see that I flip civ, if somehow the game doesn’t end, who would you vote for next?

I ask, because that is the real topic to discuss. And I’m still very much undecided on where my vote should go.

Epi, maybe.
Jjj I don’t think is, but that would be masterful badness happening—and he is capable of that. But it isn’t my sense.
Sig, possibly
Falcon, possibly
LC I’ve gone back and forth on LC many times this game. It’s possible.
TSP, unlikely

But, yeah: please answer my questions. Thnx

I hate this post, it’s just one massive word salad saying you could go in any direction.

Meaning it gives us basically nothing if you do flip mafia and allows you and your partner to pivot onto anyone that gets attention

And, sorry you don’t like the way I post or play. But I’m hoping you can answer my questions.

[LoRab]

I’m also not a huge fan of the LC/lorab exchange

Why?

[LoRab]

@LoRab if you had to choose just two suspects to be the mafia team, who would they be?

At this exact moment? Falcon and epi.

But I’m not locked into either of those thoughts.

LC and Sig are my next tier.

And I don’t think you are bad, other than in my most tinfoil-y moments.

And tsp’s Indy claim, I’m willing to assume is legit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Yesterday’s epiphany about LoRab being a “slam dunk” while he was leading the poll seems convenient.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Could easily flip back. I don’t actually trust anyone outside sig/Tony.

[Long Con]

Could easily flip back. I don’t actually trust anyone outside sig/Tony.

Stop being intentionally mean, you trust me.

[Long Con]

Tony, fine, he's got good reasons. How exactly is sig townier than me at this point?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Could easily flip back. I don’t actually trust anyone outside sig/Tony.

Stop being intentionally mean, you trust me.

I don’t know what’s “mean” about that, but I had no such intention.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tony, fine, he's got good reasons. How exactly is sig townier than me at this point?

It’s more difficult to conceive of possible mafia agendas in his approach, and I have never questioned the authenticity. While you have had some strong moments too, it’s not quite the same.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sig being mafia would certainly explain why this game has been so miserable. I’d need someone to lay out a theory/case.

[sig]

sig being mafia would certainly explain why this game has been so miserable. I’d need someone to lay out a theory/case.

Mean