The Avengers [ENDGAME]

[Roxy]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

Sig will respond.

Again can you tell me how your vote for LC was proactive?

[Syn]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

k

[S~V~S]

What do you have in total for this game, Michelle?

@Michelle

I have Wilgy town, I know the ópinions are different but I I don't have evidence I am wrong.

About the living players I have a few town reads: you, SVS, Syn, LC and now that I see Lorab and Roxy posted more I will ISO them - GTH I like their posts and questions, but I would like to sleep before reading all and making an educated guess.

I don't trust Leetic, Porscha, TSP and Abigail, and if I would have a gun I would shot leetic

Why Porscha? She seems fine to me? Wasn't Abigail an RVS vote?

Porscha was an RVS vote; Abigail didn't say, and iirc she was the 4th vote as well. I agree with Michelle that Wilgy was likely town. Maybe indy, but not bad.

I am of two minds re leetic.

Wilgy was killed imo for one of two reasons. He named the baddie(s) in his night posting and they went all

Or two, someone else killed him expecting people to go for the obvious choice, Wilgys top sus, Brad.

I myself have done both when bad. But when i do the second, I never, never, never start the patsy wagon myself. Did I say never? You let the town start the patsy wagon, so when the patsy flips town, you can point at the person who started the patsy wagon.

So maybe I'm projecting onto this situation, but all the things people seem to be reading leetic as bad for, seem pretty towny to me. When i came in here this AM, I could have gone either way, until I saw that post Brad made about how Wilgy isn't all that. And I think Brad would know Wilgy is really all that. And leetic is pretty crafty, I don't know that I think he'd kill Wilgy and then start the patsy wagon himself.

So I decided to do a fresh read, especially seeing the reads lists of people I feel fairly good about.

I am null on Simon, I think people were reading into his attempts to start discussion in a dead thread. Null on Porscha; she seems open to me, but she fooled the crap out of me in the past, so I am somewhat paranoid of her.

Right now I have Michelle, and prolly Falcon and LC as town. I lean a tad more greenish than reddish on leetic. I feel good about LoRab and Roxy, but I also know I am prone to huggy town reads, and so do they. So I want to read more (I read zero from today, work was hell hell hell).

I lean kinda bad on Brad, Syn and TSP. BUT that is based on their seeming together-y interactions for Syn, and Brads blow off of Wilgy and his suspicions. So I want to reread all of that.

I lean more baddish on moto and Abigail. I think if I had to say one person on the Wilgy wagon was bad, it would be Abigail. That drive by tho. If I hadn't walked into leetic v Brad this AM, I might have already voted Abigail.

[leetic]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

Sig will respond.

Again can you tell me how your vote for LC was proactive?

No one was doing anything, and that vote at least got things started

[Syn]

What do you have in total for this game, Michelle?

@Michelle

I have Wilgy town, I know the ópinions are different but I I don't have evidence I am wrong.

About the living players I have a few town reads: you, SVS, Syn, LC and now that I see Lorab and Roxy posted more I will ISO them - GTH I like their posts and questions, but I would like to sleep before reading all and making an educated guess.

I don't trust Leetic, Porscha, TSP and Abigail, and if I would have a gun I would shot leetic

Why Porscha? She seems fine to me? Wasn't Abigail an RVS vote?

She let the vote on Wilgy but from her posts I get she wasn't convinced he is scum.
Can you show me what seems fine for you?

Not really, I wanted to have activity from Abigail, I don't think I received a reaction, or I didn't notice it.

good tone, doesn't seem to be aggravated or otherwise agenda-driven

can any of us really be convinced someone is scum on D1?

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Are you voting for him as a low poster, or for what reason?

[Syn]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

he'll respond, he doesn't like me and he won't pass up the opportunity

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

he'll respond, he doesn't like me and he won't pass up the opportunity

Good reasoning, lol, I withdraw my question from a minute ago.

[S~V~S]

Matter of fact, imma vote Abigail now. It could change but I never see a good reason for a drive by vote onto a vote leader with zero posts mentioning that person.

[VOTE: Abigail Sophia] aubergine

Her after the fact explanation feels kinda coached to me? She hits all the right spots in a minimum of words.

[S~V~S]

OK, dinner and then I will reread from Wilgys night posts to see if my perspective changes. I was super super wrong recently in a game, and I don't want to tunnel, I'm prone to it.

[leetic]

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her

This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation

I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?

Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?

When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wilgy was and still is a wolf I stand by this

Explain it please

Also whats the "I’ll be back pill"?

idgi

[TonyStarkPrime]

Man I really wish I could do this

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok actually I can

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

whadda you know the way to get myself to play mafia was to give myself other work to do

[TonyStarkPrime]

That said I'm kinda willing to accept that the open night nonsense is in fact a classic towny role and if we assume it's connected then there's something to be gained there

[TonyStarkPrime]

So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

[TonyStarkPrime]

OK, Wilgys flip was in purple font, same as the Independent, and Epi address the Avengers in the same orange font





Ergo, Wilgy was either Thanos or Deadpool

Kinda buy that too

[TonyStarkPrime]

no wait brad's being annoying on page 8 he's probably town

[TonyStarkPrime]

1 full day phase, 1 full night phase, 8 pages, 8 players with 15+ posts.

You're telling me you have nothing beyond going to me?

Like you're supposed to be a competent player.

If you're town here, then you need to get your head out of your ass and actually solve like you're capable of.

If you don't then I'm going to tunnel your ass out.

And if you're town it's 100% on you because you decided to do fuck all.

And if you're mafia...still step your game up because you're making this easy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ack too big

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ll be back pill doesn’t end for 3 days

poll ebwop also april only has 30 days

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Roxy
Yes because iirc Motobots vote was the third. Abigail’s vote on Wilgy was even sketchier imo, but that vote hadn’t been made when I posted about motos vote.

Leetic was also sketchy but it wasn’t a pile on. “Random” or “vibe” pile ons always strike me as sus.

I thought Porschas was a joke at the time. Although in retrospect, TSPs “Willy is bad” “oh wait maybe not” “his posts are bad” “ maybe not” thing yet leaving his vote on Wilgy was also mega sketch.

did I ever said maybe not because I doubt it

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I did say it was maybe premature but only once and tbf it was premature

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also @Roxy re leetics vote, it was sus, yes, but it was also sloppy. He said LC had 2 posts, but when leetic voted he actually had 5. It's a small thing, but I just hosted bad leetic, and bad leetic is pretty careful. His vote felt more off the cuff for me, and "off the cuff" isn't a thing I associate with bad leetic.

It's not "OMG he's towncore" but it's enough for me to find his vote less sus than motos.

I felt it was sloppy and poorly explained.
Town leetic to me is more careful, more calculating with his posts. This game he is doing NOTHING to move the game forward. I haven't seen him respond to any of my questions and that always gives me bad vibes

it's cause he got drawn into a slap fight with brad it could happen to anyone

[TonyStarkPrime]

What do you have in total for this game, Michelle?

@Michelle

I have Wilgy town, I know the ópinions are different but I I don't have evidence I am wrong.

About the living players I have a few town reads: you, SVS, Syn, LC and now that I see Lorab and Roxy posted more I will ISO them - GTH I like their posts and questions, but I would like to sleep before reading all and making an educated guess.

I don't trust Leetic, Porscha, TSP and Abigail, and if I would have a gun I would shot leetic

oh god Michelle that font

I don't see any difference on phone, but if anything looks bad I am sorry

Wait is Simon Delta?

Simon and Abigail are Epi's children

Nice!
Good to know, I also thought Simon is Delta ^^

Do we have meta or this is their first game?

where tf did abigail come from (in the original)

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote: porscha

[TonyStarkPrime]

salad + rule of three pre flip assessment

[Simon]

Vote and hope based on what? Did you pick him at random?

I tend to be the person most sus of LC, and I pretty much always bad read him. So now i am up to him having 2 votes for Trivia.

Not liking this, gonna be honest. It feels kinda icky.



Just because you think someone may not be bad, doesn't exactly mean you also think they are town. Especially on a quiet Day One.

Like you, for instance. You feel sincere to me, I don't particularly think you're bad. But I haven't seem very much yet to point to and say, "Ah, Falcon is town", just a general attitude.

I will say that your vote for LC seems the most sincere to me of the three he has currently.

@Michelle why the Falcon vote? His slight aggro edge feels more like town Falc to me. Was it just a joke "no u" thing", since he had a vote on you at that point?

I have one errand to run about noonish, but otherwise I'll be in and out all day.

That's understandable, I get that. Differences in my mind are that LC did not say that, or anything, to answer my question, but framed it in somewhat demeaning light

By "demeaning", you mean "accusational", right?

Syn expressed he had similar thoughts re: Simon, and was intending to follow up as well

I also had similar thoughts re: Simon, and then I realized that picking apart exactly what his definition of "a lot" is would be a little pedantic and bullying, and wouldn't likely bear any game-relevant fruit, so I chose not to do it. Why would you focus on something so nitpicky? What result did you imagine coming from it besides maybe Simon having less confidence in speaking his mind, for fear that it's going to be linguistically dissected and get him called out on whatever minor definitional discrepancy you decide to pounce on?

I'm trying to be as helpful as possible for you to understand where I'm coming from here, because I was less concise and more reactionary in my stance last night.

No, I think calling my question a "limp noodle" is somewhat demeaning






I asked Simon one question, and it seems as tho you are trying to make it sound as if it's my sole focus...the fact that you are now saying you also felt the way I did re: Simon's post is interesting, as your reaction to my question is quite different than Simon's, or Syns, or anybody...even tho you felt the same






Simon's answer to my question was fine, and made sense to me, as I've had the same experience. You're taking a lot of exception on his behalf... @Simon do you feel I was being pedantic, bullying, predatory, or have less confidence to speak your mind?






Does anyone else?

Not as much as others who have recently been interpreting this.

Let's just say that I've never been good with my choice of words. To the point where in this context, I felt as if one wrong word could change the course of someone's innocence. And when you asked me that "a lot" or "twice" question, it wasn't looking too good for me.

However that all supposedly changed when this one question also managed to spark a bit of discord among others. Even now, I still can't tell if a smart move or not.

Actually, what if it's possible that falcon has intentionally been trying to find something among the nothingness to start an Argument, and I just so happened to be the prey.

I previously mentioned that my process of thought was that one little thing can change a lot on someone. It's not confirmed if I was specifically supposed to be a target, and it definitely is a stretch.

I don't know though, I'm just considering possible situations that would make sense to me.

If Falcon was intentionally trying to start an argument, what does that make you think of him? Is he more Towny because he's trying to generate content? Or is it Wolfy to treat you as "prey"?

Apologies for the inactivity and late answer. But, with that being said, I was the one who originally generated the content, weather it was intentional or not. In fact, Falcon was the one who originally added on to it.

The way I made it sound made falcon look somewhat wolfy. I'm not sure if we were told what the independent characters ( Thanos and Deadpool )in this game are supposed to be doing, mostly just because I'm usually living under a rock when it comes to announcements.

But if one of those objectives just so happens have me on a wanted list or something, then everything that I have previously speculated wouldn't be so farfetched.

[Simon]

@motobot @Simon you both were pretty reluctant to get into it on D1 and both said that more would come after there was info

anything?

I don't actually recall motobot saying that, although I definitely did.

Could you be a bit more specific?

[leetic]

@motobot @Simon you both were pretty reluctant to get into it on D1 and both said that more would come after there was info

anything?

I don't actually recall motobot saying that, although I definitely did.

Could you be a bit more specific?

Do you have any reads on anyone?

[LoRab]

We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?

What is the difference between Lime and your reactions to your own votes after the fact?

This feels like you are just flinging stuff about to see where it might stick.

Not entirely sure what you are asking? But my votes are more proactive as opposed to Brad's which are more reactive, if that's what you mean.

You got the gist but basically you both came in and provided a reaction to your votes. I don't see the difference in the explanations.

You say your vote was proactive - in what way? You know others look at you as a town leader type you had to know people would follow your vote.

To me what would have been more helpful than just explaining your vote would be for you to look at those who followed you with little or no reasoning.

Like you did with the Wigly vote.

Thanks in advance

I mean, we basically know it's unlikely Wilgy is a wolf, while LC hasn't flipped yet. That does make a difference, especially since as if Wilgy was killed, he must have done something to upset wolves, while there is no reason to believe the same can be said for LC right now. But if you want to look at the people on the wagon, go ahead, I don't think it's particularly productive right now.

I agree it is unlikely that Wilgy is wolf. However, I try not to assume baddy kill reasoning. Especially not this early on.

[LoRab]

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her

This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation

I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?

Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?

When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

Was also going to say that. Her mislynch in that game gives me pause to vote her in this game.

[LoRab]

So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab

[LoRab]

So if SVS is right then wilgy can be town after all, which probably looks worse for lorab

Why? Because I point out technical possibilities? That’s what I always do.

[LoRab]

I mean the reality of it is that wilgy is captain america so therefore he's town

people in game pls don't comment on this in ways that reveal information about your role (against the rules), keep all speculation above ground

And you know that how?

[LoRab]

I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

Can you share for the rest of the class?

[Syn]

am under sudden IRL time crunch so will be far less active the rest of the week, sorry

will try to not be a potato but maybe don't expect miracles either

[Simon]

@motobot @Simon you both were pretty reluctant to get into it on D1 and both said that more would come after there was info

anything?

I don't actually recall motobot saying that, although I definitely did.

Could you be a bit more specific?

Do you have any reads on anyone?

Well as of right now, I do have some suspicion over both motobot and Abigail Sophia. Not to mention, your page and a half long argument with Brad was the most riveting part of the game thus far, at least to me.

If anything, I actually think that you have convinced me that you have won the argument. Based on what I have read, you seemed to have the upper hand with lines such as, " we should be working as a team, and you thinking better about your self is pretty wolfy." or, "It doesn't matter if you have listed town reads or town leans, compared to someone who hasn't done anything, if they don't mean anything."

I obviously didn't get these word for word, and I might of misinterpreted the context of some of of the argument. But if there is anything else you have won, you have won my trust. Brad on the other hand seems a bit suspicious after all of that though.

[Simon]

That being said, there's still plenty of time before voting ends, so I'll wait until further information comes in, so I can cast my own judgement.

[Simon]

I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

And what reason would that be?

[Simon]

I think there's a good reason to think Leetic is town. Don't vote for Leetic. I think given this we should trust Leetic's defense of AS. Don't vote for AS. We can go from there.

And what reason would that be?

[Simon]

Wait a minute, the better question is how the heck did I post the same thing twice?

[Lime Coke]

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her

This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation

I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?

Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?

When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

Was also going to say that. Her mislynch in that game gives me pause to vote her in this game.

NGL this feels towny.

[Lime Coke]

Wait a minute, the better question is how the heck did I post the same thing twice?

Your connection might've messed up so it ends up doubling.

[Lime Coke]

@motobot @Simon you both were pretty reluctant to get into it on D1 and both said that more would come after there was info

anything?

I don't actually recall motobot saying that, although I definitely did.

Could you be a bit more specific?

Do you have any reads on anyone?

Well as of right now, I do have some suspicion over both motobot and Abigail Sophia. Not to mention, your page and a half long argument with Brad was the most riveting part of the game thus far, at least to me.

If anything, I actually think that you have convinced me that you have won the argument. Based on what I have read, you seemed to have the upper hand with lines such as, " we should be working as a team, and you thinking better about your self is pretty wolfy." or, "It doesn't matter if you have listed town reads or town leans, compared to someone who hasn't done anything, if they don't mean anything."

I obviously didn't get these word for word, and I might of misinterpreted the context of some of of the argument. But if there is anything else you have won, you have won my trust. Brad on the other hand seems a bit suspicious after all of that though.

I don't get how considering legit I'm trying to pull him to do something, and he's done absolutely nothing to solve the game.

I've pointed out my reads list, I've gotten reads on a fair amount of people, and yet point out to me what he has done despite people poking at him to do things and he refuses to do?

[Lime Coke]

What would you like me to do?

Should I do fuck all and not give reads?

Should I just join games just to post twice a day phase and do nothing?

Is that what we want for games?

[leetic]

What would you like me to do?

Should I do fuck all and not give reads?

Should I just join games just to post twice a day phase and do nothing?

Is that what we want for games?

Maybe give a wider worldview? Who are your top three wolfreads, excluding me?