Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

I'm people.

While we're at it Long Con, what are your thoughts on me right now, now that it's post-Day-1-obligatory-vote-the-self-voter-day?

I still think you could be trying to squeeze a little life out of it as a baddie this time.

[Epignosis]

Mr. Fung, what is one piece you would like to have in your collection but do not currently have? Matte kudasai, while I take a piss.

[thellama73]

Mr. Fung does not speak Japanese. You have insulted him.

[Long Con]

Based on the night post are we supposed to be asking questions of Mr. Fung?

Couldn't hurt.

I think we have to agree on the right questions... whether it's just Archer Ave voters, or everyone. Questions about items.

What could we ask about items that would be Civvie-helpful but not baddie-helpful?

[Epignosis]

Mr. Fung does not speak Japanese. You have insulted him.

I'm an ignorant American.

[Marmot]

I'm drinking bourbon right now too. I bet birdwithteeth and I are evil together. Anyone?

Keep your bets and your weenie out of Chicago.

[birdwithteeth11]

I'm drinking bourbon right now too. I bet birdwithteeth and I are evil together. Anyone?

There's one way to test this out.

I'm sipping away on this right now. If it's the same as Epig, then clearly we are both bad.

[Marmot]

I'm drinking bourbon right now too. I bet birdwithteeth and I are evil together. Anyone?

There's one way to test this out.

I'm sipping away on this right now. If it's the same as Epig, then clearly we are both bad.

I bought a bottle of that for my dad for Christmas.

[Turnip Head]

As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

[Long Con]

As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Avoiding?

[Turnip Head]

As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Avoiding?

Avoiding what?

[Dom]

Today it would be cool to hear more from:

Shep, Bea, A Person, MP, Liz Keen, Sophie, and Eloh.

I'd love to hear more of your thoughts.

Sophie?
Really?

I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.

MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.

Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.

[LC QUOTE]

So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.

I enjoy this. I find it plausible.

Honestly, if I were Reed, I'd be trying to gather just enough suspicion that I'm getting one or two people voting for me every day. But then again, I'm not Reed so idk if that's the strategy he/she is using.

Black Rock is dead. That's why.

Aw, if my linkitis worked I would not have entered that quasi-humourous non-committal answer.

What would you have entered if it had worked?

Well, with the actual answer just flat-out posted already, I would have neither posted the coy jokey answer nor the real one... I would have deleted that post altogether.

In other words, LC was waiting patiently to deploy his "I would never kill BR on night 1" defense in just the right way.

I'm 50/50 on that. I'm not sure LC would do that, but I can see what you're saying.

Hahaha- and Black Rock is out Night 1. That's even funnier.

I see what you did there.

rabbit, what do you think of TH and Epig right now? They were oddly in sync last night, and they are at it again today.

What do YOU make of it?

[Long Con]

As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Avoiding?

Avoiding what?

I asked you a question, boy.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head, why so sure about Zombarella?

I find Zomberella to be acting quite genuine at the moment. I think the will, as interpreted by SVS, points to absolutely nothing damning about her role. I have no reason to suspect her. And quite a few reasons to suspect others.

[Marmot]

Turnip Head, why so sure about Zombarella?

I find Zomberella to be acting quite genuine at the moment. I think the will, as interpreted by SVS, points to absolutely nothing damning about her role. I have no reason to suspect her. And quite a few reasons to suspect others.

What about this?

Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

Now that's interesting, right there.

Indeed.

[Turnip Head]

What about it?

[Marmot]

You commented that what she said yesterday was "interesting". Was that it?

Remember when you made this response to blindfaeth?

BF I don't understand why you suddenly just give up because people aren't agreeing with you or playing the way you want them to. I understand that sometimes it's hard to work with people but that's like 83% of mafia, working blindly with your fellow civs to figure things out and catch the bad guys. You are giving up first chance you get instead of pushing through. Makes no sense to me.

I'm going to vote Dom because he's still my top suspicion and I don't think you're bad, but frankly I'm okay with you being lynched because it seems you don't want to play anymore, and people giving up because they're being suspected is frankly getting old.

You asked blindfaeth why he was giving up so quickly. You offered no such reaction to Zomba when she made that post I just mentioned , just agreed with Epig that is was interesting. That reads to me, especially based on your current read of Zomba, as a baddie teammate setting himself on the fence in a position so that he can hop off either way. If the lynch moved towards Zomba, then easy enough to place your vote on her. But it didn't; blindfaeth was lynched instead, and now you're supporting Zomba as a civvie.

I think you and Zomba are teammates, and that Epig could be a third.

[Turnip Head]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

[Marmot]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

[Turnip Head]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

That logic is nothing like my logic. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

[Dom]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

Explain this further for me. Equivocate the logics.

[Marmot]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

That logic is nothing like my logic. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

Because you think that Zomba is not a baddie. I don't know what your read on blindfaeth was yesterday, but you definitely did not vote for him.

Why do you think Zomba is not a baddie today? How did you feel about her yesterday, and how did you feel about blindfaeth yesterday?

[Turnip Head]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

That logic is nothing like my logic. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

Because you think that Zomba is not a baddie. I don't know what your read on blindfaeth was yesterday, but you definitely did not vote for him.

Why do you think Zomba is not a baddie today? How did you feel about her yesterday, and how did you feel about blindfaeth yesterday?

Yesterday I thought her reaction was interesting. Today I believe her reaction was genuine, but not guilty. Meanwhile I have this whole theory that you and LC are bad, you might have seen it, so the fact that you and LC are the ones pushing this issue right now makes me feel a whole lot better about her too.

[Marmot]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

Explain this further for me. Equivocate the logics.

The point that I am trying to make is that TH asked blindfaeth why he was giving up when he was leading the lynch 7-3. At this point TH placed his vote on you for some reason (I'll have to look back at why he did that).

But when Zomba came in and accused blindfaeth of ruining her role, TH responded with an "interesting" rather offering the same condolences.



Another note I should add, TH accused LC of voting for me on Day 1 instead of blindfaeth, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice at the time, and we should be wary of voting the millionaire. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 5-1 at the time. Yet TH voted for you, when you had zero votes, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 7-3 at the time.

[Turnip Head]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

Explain this further for me. Equivocate the logics.

The point that I am trying to make is that TH asked blindfaeth why he was giving up when he was leading the lynch 7-3. At this point TH placed his vote on you for some reason (I'll have to look back at why he did that).

But when Zomba came in and accused blindfaeth of ruining her role, TH responded with an "interesting" rather offering the same condolences.



Another note I should add, TH accused LC of voting for me on Day 1 instead of blindfaeth, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice at the time, and we should be wary of voting the millionaire. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 5-1 at the time. Yet TH voted for you, when you had zero votes, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 7-3 at the time.

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I didn't interpret Zomba's post as giving up. I interpreted it as "Great, now I'm screwed". And that's a reaction that I can see a player having with any role - civ, bad, whatever. Someone coming at you on Day 1 acting like they know something sucks no matter what your role is. And if we are to believe SVS's reading of the will, blindfaeth knew nothing about Zombarella's role.

[Marmot]

Zomba's behavior has nothing to do with blindfaeth's behavior. I'm not sure why you're making that comparison.

By that logic, my behavior has nothing to do with Long Con's behavior, which you are trying to draw a connection to.

Explain this further for me. Equivocate the logics.

The point that I am trying to make is that TH asked blindfaeth why he was giving up when he was leading the lynch 7-3. At this point TH placed his vote on you for some reason (I'll have to look back at why he did that).

But when Zomba came in and accused blindfaeth of ruining her role, TH responded with an "interesting" rather offering the same condolences.



Another note I should add, TH accused LC of voting for me on Day 1 instead of blindfaeth, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice at the time, and we should be wary of voting the millionaire. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 5-1 at the time. Yet TH voted for you, when you had zero votes, even though blindfaeth was the "obvious" lynch choice. blindfaeth was leading the lynch 7-3 at the time.

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I didn't interpret Zomba's post as giving up. I interpreted it as "Great, now I'm screwed". And that's a reaction that I can see a player having with any role - civ, bad, whatever. Someone coming at you on Day 1 acting like they know something sucks no matter what your role is. And if we are to believe SVS's reading of the will, blindfaeth knew nothing about Zombarella's role.

So if Zomba was not bad, then why would she have the reaction "Great, now I'm screwed".

A civvie would typically respond "Hey, you're wrong". Only a baddie should feel damned in that situation.

[Turnip Head]

That's not always true.

Getting "info dumped" on you sucks when you're a civvie, too. I accused BWT of infodumping on me in Film DIrectors and we were both civvies. DFaraday once accused me of info dumping on him when we were both civs in Recruitment III, and he flipped out :P Civvies are just as paranoid as baddies.

[Marmot]

That's not always true.

Getting "info dumped" on you sucks when you're a civvie, too. I accused BWT of infodumping on me in Film DIrectors and we were both civvies. DFaraday once accused me of info dumping on him when we were both civs in Recruitment III, and he flipped out :P Civvies are just as paranoid as baddies.

Yes I realize infodumping sucks. However, that is a prime example! You offered a huge defense against BWT's case even though you were going up against an outed civvie with proper credibility to his case.

Zomba, if she is civvie, was going against an unknown role. Not only that, but at the time of Zomba's post, blindfaeth had four votes (one of which was from Epignosis) and Zomba had zero.



Why did you vote for Dom when he had zero votes even though you thought it was wrong of LC to vote for me when I had two votes?

[Turnip Head]

Why do you keep asking me to talk in circles? I have already explained the difference between my vote and LC's. At least read my posts if you're going to keep hounding me

[Marmot]

Why do you keep asking me to talk in circles? I have already explained the difference between my vote and LC's. At least read my posts if you're going to keep hounding me

Sorry, I've been reading back through quotes and things and missed that one.

Anyway, I disagree about Zomba sounding genuine and not bad. But I'm tuckered out, so I'll pull some more quotes and things tomorrow if I can.



But I do think I could be wrong about SVS.

[LizKeen]

Mr. Fung, do you know if the ivory, jade and amber would be dangerous if they were in the hands of the wrong team?


Is there usually this much requoting in Syndicate games? I'm really wondering if it's a mafia tactic just to be a massive distraction. If so then you're doing well.

I'm assuming that Golden has been silenced because I can't imagine him being this quiet for this long given his day one posts. I'm rather bummed if that's the case because I was interested to hear what he had to say. I feel he would have at least commented on my previous post because everyone else seems to be ignoring it. I would expect that from mafia but not everyone can be that. Granted it wasn't a super helpful post but no comments at all? Really? Except Zomberella heeding my warning.

I'm going back and re-reading (a task I dread) everyone bf was suspicious of so he won't have died in vain. The mafia would have most definitely wanted him so and I'd say there's at least one if not more of you in those 8 votes. Black Rock is off the hook obviously and I'm giving Zomb the benefit of the doubt now so that at least narrows it down to 6 for me.

I think if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a goose. (No reference to Mongoose/Sophie intended)

[Marmot]

Mr. Fung, do you know if the ivory, jade and amber would be dangerous if they were in the hands of the wrong team?


Is there usually this much requoting in Syndicate games? I'm really wondering if it's a mafia tactic just to be a massive distraction. If so then you're doing well.

I'm assuming that Golden has been silenced because I can't imagine him being this quiet for this long given his day one posts. I'm rather bummed if that's the case because I was interested to hear what he had to say. I feel he would have at least commented on my previous post because everyone else seems to be ignoring it. I would expect that from mafia but not everyone can be that. Granted it wasn't a super helpful post but no comments at all? Really? Except Zomberella heeding my warning.

I'm going back and re-reading (a task I dread) everyone bf was suspicious of so he won't have died in vain. The mafia would have most definitely wanted him so and I'd say there's at least one if not more of you in those 8 votes. Black Rock is off the hook obviously and I'm giving Zomb the benefit of the doubt now so that at least narrows it down to 6 for me.

I think if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a goose. (No reference to Mongoose/Sophie intended)

I did see your previous post, warning and all. I didn't want to call attention to it because I don't know how you came up with the advice you did. But since you want to talk about it, did you hear what you did because your item was stolen?

[LizKeen]

No, before. I put it out there because as I no longer have it that is probably the most useful info I will have. I thought mafia had stolen it but I see that is not one of their abilities so I can assume it's in the hands of the celestials.

I have been rereading since my last post and had several posts I had quoted and commented on up to page 15 and then screwed up and lost it all. I'll have to start again tomorrow. Based on what I had reread I would say my current suspicions are SVS, rabbit, LongCon and Vompatti. But I'll have to go into that further tomorrow because it's really late and I'm tired.

[S~V~S]

There is a civvie item stealer, and a Celestial one. And I would agree that Golden was probably silenced.

You suspect me because I suspected BF? Or is there something else?

[S~V~S]

Also wanted to ask JC if she still suspects MM, now that it is Day Two?

[rabbit8]

No, before. I put it out there because as I no longer have it that is probably the most useful info I will have. I thought mafia had stolen it but I see that is not one of their abilities so I can assume it's in the hands of the celestials.

I have been rereading since my last post and had several posts I had quoted and commented on up to page 15 and then screwed up and lost it all. I'll have to start again tomorrow. Based on what I had reread I would say my current suspicions are SVS, rabbit, LongCon and Vompatti. But I'll have to go into that further tomorrow because it's really late and I'm tired.

[Long Con]

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

[Canucklehead]

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

Wait, you're still suspicious of bf? Didn't bf just get lynched? As a civ?




I know I'm only skimming along......but did I miss something big here re: bf?

[Long Con]

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

Wait, you're still suspicious of bf? Didn't bf just get lynched? As a civ?




I know I'm only skimming along......but did I miss something big here re: bf?

No, that was just a post posted just after I woke up, and I wasn't thinking straight yet obviously. I read TH's suspicion of my vote, so I went back and looked at my vote, commenting from my point of view during that vote. I totally forgot that BF did get lynched and was indeed Civ.

[Canucklehead]

Lulz. Good morning, LC. Here's a coffee

[Epignosis]

Lulz. Good morning, LC. Here's a coffee

You know it's Monday when you run the water through the coffee pot with no coffee actually in it.

[Long Con]

Lulz. Good morning, LC. Here's a coffee

You know it's Monday when you run the water through the coffee pot with no coffee actually in it.

I think that's a metaphor for my BF suspicion post up there.

[birdwithteeth11]

Honestly, if I were Reed, I'd be trying to gather just enough suspicion that I'm getting one or two people voting for me every day. But then again, I'm not Reed so idk if that's the strategy he/she is using.

Alright then.

[juliets]

Also wanted to ask JC if she still suspects MM, now that it is Day Two?

I still don't understand why someone would vote 2 days early for themselves. I can't think of any good explanation and MM has not provided one (unless i missed it ). So I would say I am still suspicious.

[Marmot]

I don't have any explanation other than this.

^^Teamwork makes the dream work.

I recommend everyone self-vote on this Day 1. It's hip adn funky.

Linki: I don't really know why. It was an impulsive decision.

To which you responded to immediately, so you did see it. Sorry, but I don't have a "good-civvie-indicative-reason-with-lots-of-logic-behind-it-and-even-a-hidden-gambit-to-draw-out-baddies-and-protect-someone" type of reason, so don't be expecting one.

[Long Con]

I don't have any explanation other than this.

^^Teamwork makes the dream work.

I recommend everyone self-vote on this Day 1. It's hip adn funky.

Linki: I don't really know why. It was an impulsive decision.

To which you responded to immediately, so you did see it. Sorry, but I don't have a "good-civvie-indicative-reason-with-lots-of-logic-behind-it-and-even-a-hidden-gambit-to-draw-out-baddies-and-protect-someone" type of reason, so don't be expecting one.

If only there was one. Maybe you drew out baddie LC who wanted to shrug off responsibility for a Day One vote by going with the tried-and-true Vote For the Self-Voter scheme.

[Turnip Head]

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

Wait, you're still suspicious of bf? Didn't bf just get lynched? As a civ?




I know I'm only skimming along......but did I miss something big here re: bf?

No, that was just a post posted just after I woke up, and I wasn't thinking straight yet obviously. I read TH's suspicion of my vote, so I went back and looked at my vote, commenting from my point of view during that vote. I totally forgot that BF did get lynched and was indeed Civ.

So... you forgot who you were suspicious of yesterday other than MM, thus you couldn't understand the point I was making about your vote, so you went back to check your vote and respond from that same headspace, forgetting that Blindfaeth did indeed get lynched and flip civ already... meaning that after all this, you still didn't understand the point I was making about your vote.

[Turnip Head]

LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

If you actually suspected Blindfaeth, why would it matter that "there was still a possibility for others to vote for [MM] as well, and lynching him" instead of blindfaeth? If you're a civvie who thinks blindfaeth is bad, a blindfaeth lynch is an optimal result for you. No need to derail that and vote for MM to try and get him lynched instead.

Unless he's your Millionaire teammate. Or unless you just really wanted to assert your "I vote for self-voters" agenda

[Canucklehead]

Is anyone feeling leery about Dom? He's got that BUTTY/snappy quality to his posts this game that reminds me of Film Directors. He was a bad baddie then, and It pinged me in that game, too, but he assured me (and I gullibly beleived him) that it was b/c of real life busyness and mafia exhaustion.....
But now that I'm seeing it again, I'm feeling cautious about it. I seem to remember Dom being one of the funnier/jokier players of the old crew....so maybe I just don't know how to rea new Dom? I dunno, but is like to hear others' thoughts before I dig too hard into Dom as a suspect.

[Canucklehead]

Ugh. That should saw "biting" not BUTTY. Apparently I've been texting about my dog so much that my autocorrect now changes all b-words to some variant of "butt"