Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[LizKeen]

And while we're talking about it, I really doubt that that's what the bottle does. I think it's more likely that Epi was targeted not by an item, but by a power from the baddie camp. Probably something like this:

Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

TH, Since I've posted about this before and you haven't commented I'm curious about this post. Why did you think MM was making this up and The Doctor actually did it?

Thanks for the help with the replacements. So everyone is now my little pony?

[LizKeen]

No church in the wild

But I think Kanye would prefer you quote Beyonce.

[Vompatti]

I can't believe Kanye West sampled King Crimson!

I would sample King Crimson if I wrote music.

If more people sampled King Crimson the world would be a better place.

[S~V~S]

HARK~! What light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Epignosis is the sun!

His power, knowledge & wisdom are unrivalled amongst internet forum moderators. Not to mention that his amazing skills at correcting Grammar, sentence structure, & word usage are unparallelled! All Hail his, well, his EVERYTHING!

What a guy! The power that targeted me should be in EVERY GAME! Becasue there is not enough praise for Epignosis in general, and that needs to change.

For some weird reason, the guy who did the video said "Elvis" instead of "Epi". So when you listen to it, you have to mentally subsitute "Epignosis".

Like this:

Epi is everywhere!
Epi is Everything!
Epi is everybody!
Epi is still the king!

Everybody in outer space looks like Epignosis
Becasue Epignosis is the perfect being!
They shouldn't call it Evolution, they should call it Epiglution!

[Epignosis]

Yo, LC, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish...

[Tangrowth]

I can't believe Kanye West sampled King Crimson!

I would sample King Crimson if I wrote music.

If more people sampled King Crimson the world would be a better place.

[Dom]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

[Elohcin]

So, my ear tubes got taken night 1. Juliet says her rare book was stolen night one. And the only other way for DP to have gotten that elephant charm if he's not the Beast is to have stolen them from BR. I only see 2 roles that steal and neither is mafia. The only way mafia get an item is to kill the player that has it. Stealing comes before death. So if I'm understanding correctly either Juliet is lying, which I wouldn't be surprised, or DP is the Beast.

What do you think TH?

And I still don't trust Epi.


LOL, Gonna be a sucky 2 days for SVS and LC.

I don't have time to fully catch up before church, but I did read this far and I wanted to say that I think LC complained that his item was stolen night 1 too. SO we have a LOT more stealing going on or we have some liars.

[Ricochet]

HARK~! What light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Epignosis is the sun!

His power, knowledge & wisdom are unrivalled amongst internet forum moderators. Not to mention that his amazing skills at correcting Grammar, sentence structure, & word usage are unparallelled! All Hail his, well, his EVERYTHING!

What a guy! The power that targeted me should be in EVERY GAME! Becasue there is not enough praise for Epignosis in general, and that needs to change.

For some weird reason, the guy who did the video said "Elvis" instead of "Epi". So when you listen to it, you have to mentally subsitute "Epignosis".

Like this:

Epi is everywhere!
Epi is Everything!
Epi is everybody!
Epi is still the king!

Everybody in outer space looks like Epignosis
Becasue Epignosis is the perfect being!
They shouldn't call it Evolution, they should call it Epiglution!

I'm sorry to say, but watching this game from the sidelines and seeing this is just...

[juliets]

So, my ear tubes got taken night 1. Juliet says her rare book was stolen night one. And the only other way for DP to have gotten that elephant charm if he's not the Beast is to have stolen them from BR. I only see 2 roles that steal and neither is mafia. The only way mafia get an item is to kill the player that has it. Stealing comes before death. So if I'm understanding correctly either Juliet is lying, which I wouldn't be surprised, or DP is the Beast.

What do you think TH?

And I still don't trust Epi.


LOL, Gonna be a sucky 2 days for SVS and LC.

I am not lying about the book. Why would I lie?

[juliets]

Bass, what do you think about Juliet, DP, Vompatti, Epi?

I think LC was on to something with his case on Epi. I will pull some post from epi tomorrow that suck out to me from him.

The I can read vomps and this is how DP plays so he is also really hard to read. Juliet has really been on my radar.

I replaced MP and BR replaced Bea.

And why have I been on your radar?

[Marmot]

And while we're talking about it, I really doubt that that's what the bottle does. I think it's more likely that Epi was targeted not by an item, but by a power from the baddie camp. Probably something like this:

Macleish MacPherson - The Crooked Doctor - Can dispense medicine that does a variety of unsavory and often illegal things.

TH, Since I've posted about this before and you haven't commented I'm curious about this post. Why did you think MM was making this up and The Doctor actually did it?

Thanks for the help with the replacements. So everyone is now my little pony?

Not quite.

Sockface ---> Bass ---> MattMatt (A Person) ---> merged with Metalmarsh89.

So now I am my little pony with a marmot tattoo.

[juliets]

Juliet's, in response to those links you posted my responses to the questions I see are: I remember some people who I was suspicious of in the Zelda game, but not all the requotes. It was a misguided thought I had at the time that maybe mafia was just trying to gum up the works. I was mostly frustrated.
By "easy lynch" I meant someone who seemed an easy target to try and get lynched. I did make a post about Vompatti and pointed out that her posts were not helpful in the least. And I didn't trust LC at the time because I don't recall I was really looking at Epi at the time and from the way they were posting they didn't appear to be on the same team. I came back and posted 24 hours later that I was going back and forth on LC but it was late and I would be posting those posts I said I would make the next day. I did come back and post about Rabbit and Vompatti but by that time I wasn't feeling good about Epi so I didn't see much point in doing one on Long Con. I supposed that does sound suspect but it's the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'd say "hand on the bible" but I'm agnostic so that wouldn't help.

LC, I just noticed that one of your issues with Epi is he looks as if he had a curse on him to answer questions with a "yes" which you think is possible he made up. I think I can prove he didn't make it up. I chose a rare book as an item and the book had the power to make people say "yes" to questions asked of them. I really didn't see how that was useful because I thought people would see through it but anyway it got stolen from me. I believe it was used on Epi.

I do agree with LC that this is an odd thing to say after MM said it was he who caused Epi's affirmative answers. And your explanations aren't really making sense to me.

Tell me what doesn't make sense and I will explain it.

You're right LC, I didn't think of it that way. I double checked my spreadsheet and it was stolen night one. I double checked the pm on the item and it was definitely that the receiver has to say yes to every action. But maybe this is relevant - when I asked about it I was told it didn't do anything right now (back then). I don't understand really what that meant, not that I wanted to use it then. Maybe it had to be stolen to activate? Anyway, the fact that it left me night one appears to be a stumbling block to it having been used on Epi. Which I guess means its still out there to be used by someone else.

So it wouldn't work for you when you had it but it gets stolen and works?

The only civvie possibility I see here is: Casimer Jech - The Antique Dealer - Can trade his items for others each night. If the item is usable, both parties can immediately gain the benefit.

But then you would have gained from the rare book as well, right?

What I said was the PM said there was nothing I could do with it now. Maybe it would have a use in the future. I won't comment or hint about roles. It's against the rules.

You're right LC, I didn't think of it that way. I double checked my spreadsheet and it was stolen night one. I double checked the pm on the item and it was definitely that the receiver has to say yes to every action. But maybe this is relevant - when I asked about it I was told it didn't do anything right now (back then). I don't understand really what that meant, not that I wanted to use it then. Maybe it had to be stolen to activate? Anyway, the fact that it left me night one appears to be a stumbling block to it having been used on Epi. Which I guess means its still out there to be used by someone else.

Juliets, I don't think you're reading the thread closely enough. I just told you that MEtalmarsh claimed responsibility for Epig's Affirmative Curse on Day Two. Your rare book is not directly relevant to Epig's curse, as far as I can see.

I read that he said that and I read that you repeated it. I didn't think he was telling the truth when he said it but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.

He had no reason to lie. You "guess" he was? Sounds like you're trying to cover up your own slips.

What slips??

I didn't think [Metalmarsh] was telling the truth when he said [he used the Bottle on Epig and caused the Affirmative Curse] but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.

Why didn't you think Metalmarsh was telling the truth? He explained Epig's weird responses and claimed responsibility for it with his Item, the Bottle. I thought it was pretty cut-and-dry.

I thought it was likely one of his jokey posts, especially since i thought I knew that the rare book was the item that caused the "yes" curse, not a bottle.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? I don't think LC is twisting your words, I think you are.

I don't see any contradictions. You'll have to point to specifically what you are looking at.

LizKeen think of it this way: if I were a baddie what possible reasoning could I have for bringing this up? I brought it up because I'm a civ and it's very weird so I thought it best to share it with the rest of the civs and the celestials. That is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, cross my heart.

[Black Rock]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

You are wasting your time looking at MM. But I am starting to see why DP would get loooks. He hasn't added anything to this game since I replaced in.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Bass, what do you think about Juliet, DP, Vompatti, Epi?

I think LC was on to something with his case on Epi. I will pull some post from epi tomorrow that suck out to me from him.

The I can read vomps and this is how DP plays so he is also really hard to read. Juliet has really been on my radar.

I replaced MP and BR replaced Bea.

And why have I been on your radar?

I meant to say NOT on my radar. Sorry about that.

[fingersplints]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

[juliets]

Bass, what do you think about Juliet, DP, Vompatti, Epi?

I think LC was on to something with his case on Epi. I will pull some post from epi tomorrow that suck out to me from him.

The I can read vomps and this is how DP plays so he is also really hard to read. Juliet has really been on my radar.

I replaced MP and BR replaced Bea.

And why have I been on your radar?

I meant to say NOT on my radar. Sorry about that.

No harm done.

[rabbit8]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

I'm thinking about voting for either Canuck or FS today.

[fingersplints]

Do what you want. voting me would be a waste of your time

Care to give a reason why?

[rabbit8]

Do what you want. voting me would be a waste of your time

Care to give a reason why?

No, I don't care too. I think you're bad though.

[Marmot]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

You do what you gotta do.

If you're going to eye me so you can keep your original Day 1 suspicion intact, so-be-it.

Though I wonder why you didn't offer Bass the same condolences.

[fingersplints]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

[Canucklehead]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

I'm thinking about voting for either Canuck or FS today.

Ok, Rabbit.

[rabbit8]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.

[Marmot]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

Let me help you understand then.

The newspaper said that Bass and AP traded places, essentially. So either that is right or that is wrong. Either way, the only reason you should have to suspect me is if you think that AP was bad or if Bass (Sockface) was bad. If neither of those things held true before, then eyeing me now (and not Bass for that matter), makes no sense to me.

Why wouldn't you eye Bass?

[Marmot]

You did say Bass lol. I can't read apparently.

[Canucklehead]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.

Is there something else to do in mafia other than agree or disagree with people? what exactly would you like fs to be doing that she is not already?
Do you think fs and I are both Zomba's teammates? Who else do you think is on our team?

[Canucklehead]

Also, if anyone's interested, some bastard stole my beautiful handkerchief last night. I'm pissed.

[rabbit8]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.

Is there something else to do in mafia other than agree or disagree with people? what exactly would you like fs to be doing that she is not already?
Do you think fs and I are both Zomba's teammates? Who else do you think is on our team?

I don't know? Who else is on your team? You actively bring things up that's what else you can do. The reaction game is a baddie hiding tactic. Make a case, do something. Not just a few two liners here or there.

[fingersplints]

APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

[Long Con]

Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

[Marmot]

I believe MM 1.0 made two solid cases before he was so rudely lynched.

Linki: And LC is spot on there.

[rabbit8]

APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I never said make a massive case. Reading what I write would be nice.

Speaking of you suspicion list, what is it? You never actually accuse anyone but low posters, well done. Anyone can do that.

[rabbit8]

Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

This I agree with. I'm trying to figure out which one.

[Sophie]

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

I know i havent been contributing much, but its because i ve been very busy. Im sorry for not being a very contributibe civvie, but if you are looking for baddies you should look elsewhere.

My biggest suspects are epi and dp

[Sophie]

Though im behind on a few pages so i need to read qhat have happened and maybe my suspicions will change

[Sophie]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

[fingersplints]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.

[Sophie]

But if someone gets killed and the next day this said person gets the dead person object, what would that mean?

[Sophie]

I think my worded is incorrect in that sentence

[Dom]

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

He had an item that BR had when she died.

Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

You do what you gotta do.

If you're going to eye me so you can keep your original Day 1 suspicion intact, so-be-it.

Though I wonder why you didn't offer Bass the same condolences.

What?
I did?

Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

This is a good point tbh.

[Black Rock]

Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

Good use of quotes I must say.

[Black Rock]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.

It's true, that's if they stole it before I was killed on N1 though. It could have happened, maybe not.

[Marmot]

Zomb's posts make me feel a better I'd say. I'm gonna go for Vomps.

Now what if we consider DP's only post from yesterday, as well as the timing of his vote?

DP voted for vomps to push the him closer to Zomba at 7-6.

[fingersplints]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.

It's true, that's if they stole it before I was killed on N1 though. It could have happened, maybe not.

no, not necessarily. Either of those roles could have stolen it from your killer.

[Long Con]

Could have been a chemist, cause I cook smart
Gold bottles, scold models, spillin’ Ace on my sick J’s
So go and grab the reporters

[fingersplints]

But if someone gets killed and the next day this said person gets the dead person object, what would that mean?

It is not the next day. BR was killed N1 and on day 4 DP might have the item. (this is to say if the newspaper is even accurate, which has already been called into question) This means there were three nights of item swapping possible.

[Elohcin]

Zomb's posts make me feel a better I'd say. I'm gonna go for Vomps.

Now what if we consider DP's only post from yesterday, as well as the timing of his vote?

DP voted for vomps to push the him closer to Zomba at 7-6.

I have to say I have not really notice DP much this game. But this here makes be consider him a suspect. Also, I keep going back and forth on Epi. He seems too playful, less helpful, and a whole lot of careless this game.

And, I keep forgetting who started the vomp train on the day Zomb was lynched. Can anyone tell me who that was?

[Marmot]

Zomb's posts make me feel a better I'd say. I'm gonna go for Vomps.

Now what if we consider DP's only post from yesterday, as well as the timing of his vote?

DP voted for vomps to push the him closer to Zomba at 7-6.

I have to say I have not really notice DP much this game. But this here makes be consider him a suspect. Also, I keep going back and forth on Epi. He seems too playful, less helpful, and a whole lot of careless this game.

And, I keep forgetting who started the vomp train on the day Zomb was lynched. Can anyone tell me who that was?

According to the polls, Golden placed the first vote. But he's been NK'd, so he's not a baddie. But here's a repost of the votes.



Vompatti
7
Golden (12), S~V~S (13), juliets (15), Canucklehead (18), fingersplints (19), DisgruntledPorcupine (21), Epignosis (24)
29%

Zomberella12
7
Dom (4), LizKeen (7), DFaraday (10), birdwithteeth11 (11), rabbit8 (14), Elohcin (16), Bass_the_Clever (17)
29%