Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)

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No idea which position to vote for, skimming around
I think it will comes to potato and potatoe sort of thing
pulling, pushing and showving to what is better

But I assume this poll will end tomorrow, so I will vote tomorrow, as today Im tired

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Assuming the idea here is that the positions will rotate throughout the game, I think the earliest stage (right now) would seem the ideal time to choose the position which features the most potentially frustrating roles that don't involve murdering someone. That would include things like lynch switches and day restarts -- both position 5. I'd rather have annoying things like those in play when the game is young than when we're dealing in a more evidence-based thread and vote choices are more meticulous. I'm still poking around though.

[S~V~S]

OK, just from looking at the marquee roles, I was leaning position two, but these position 2 points are not so great:

War Monger - Warrior Clan
Position 1: Mind Control
Position 2: The Hunger
Position 3: ?
Position 4: ?
Position 5: Competition

THE HUNGER? No fucking way.

Highborn Assassin - Warrior Clan
Position 1: Seemer
Position 2: Parasite
Position 3: Power Steal
Position 4: Night Kill Survive
Position 5: Silence

Parasite? No fucking way.

Master of Ancient Arts - Brotherhood Clan
Position 1: Switches two targets
Position 2: Picks 5 people for a negative vote
Position 3: Turns into a Dragon
Position 4: Choose a player, if they are targeting someone they need to pick a new target
Position 5: Choose 3 other players to protect, they start the next day with three votes each

This is not that bad, but still, not that great. Although position 3, turns into a DRAGON!!!! Awesome, but also terrifying. Flames, ouch.

Brutal Executioner - Warrior Clan
He chooses a player, the kill goes through if they are the right clan.

Position 1: Kill a Sorcerer
Position 2: Kill a Guardian
Position 3: Kill a Brotherhood
Position 4: Kill a Warrior
Position 5: Kill a Children of Serenity

It doesn't matter what position here, lol. Also all respect to the hosts, this will be insane to coordinate. Insane, I tell ya.

[S~V~S]

How did the parasite role work in the first game? If I recall correctly, Pangy had that, yes? He targeted Bree, right? That did not work out well for him I wish we had the Piano database

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The one position 3 role that says "Thread Lock" is enough for me to never vote position 3 ever. :P

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The one position 3 role that says "Thread Lock" is enough for me to never vote position 3 ever. :P

ew there's one of these in position 2 too.

[DharmaHelper]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

[S~V~S]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

Yeah, I am beginning to think that, the more I read all of those roles.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

[Scotty]

Ok real busy for next few days. I apologize.

Hope to check back in tonight and make a better judgment on voting.

[DharmaHelper]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

What motivated your choice?

[Tangrowth]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

This seems incredibly uncharacteristic of you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The position that seems the least troublesome to me at the moment is #4, despite having a couple kills. I think that one can be saved for later while something annoying can be favored now, like #5. Leaning that direction.

[DharmaHelper]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

What motivated your choice?

1 is the first number.

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

This seems incredibly uncharacteristic of you.

Incredibly is an adverb.

Also, not really. There is too much information to sort through and make a 100% helpful decision. Every one of the roles is going to get used, and this position won't even last all that long before the next one. I don't see the point in splitting hairs over it.

[DFaraday]

Yay game!

The one position 3 role that says "Thread Lock" is enough for me to never vote position 3 ever. :P

On the other hand, it might be good to get a thread lock out of the way before intense discussion gets started. I'm not thinking too much about this, though, since all of the options are going to be up soon enough anyway.

[Marmot]

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

[Tangrowth]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

This seems incredibly uncharacteristic of you.

Incredibly is an adverb.

Also, not really. There is too much information to sort through and make a 100% helpful decision. Every one of the roles is going to get used, and this position won't even last all that long before the next one. I don't see the point in splitting hairs over it.

I don't necessarily disagree; I just was surprised, especially when you were perhaps one of the most analytic and vocal players during the Death Note Day 0.

Your explanation is logical enough, but I don't find fault with analyzing the positions to see if a good enough XX% helpful decision is possible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

Is there such a role on this roster?

[Tangrowth]

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

Are you conjecturing that DH has a vanilla role?

[Tangrowth]

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

Is there such a role on this roster?

Currently, yes. There are "5 vanilla" at the moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

[Tangrowth]

aapje, also, I'm not the host, but I think your question is answered by the fact that BR and LC haven't updated the player list to include Canucklehead (37 instead of 36), so I think that 5 vanillas makes sense. It'll be good to get confirmation nonetheless.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

Is there such a role on this roster?

Currently, yes. There are "5 vanilla" at the moment.

Oh I didn't even see that. Cool beans.

[Tangrowth]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

I was expecting it. How is this game setup going to affect your style this game?

[Fuskdall]

Greetings. It is delightful to see you all.

I am Serenity, your moderator for this game. Should you have any problems, concerns, or a desire to express frustration, I am merely a PM away and am happy to help you however I can. I am here for you.

Play nicely, little ones. Namaste.

[DharmaHelper]

Yall trippin. Just pick anything.

You don't think there's any potential value in considering the decision carefully?

Not particularly.

This seems incredibly uncharacteristic of you.

Incredibly is an adverb.

Also, not really. There is too much information to sort through and make a 100% helpful decision. Every one of the roles is going to get used, and this position won't even last all that long before the next one. I don't see the point in splitting hairs over it.

I don't necessarily disagree; I just was surprised, especially when you were perhaps one of the most analytic and vocal players during the Death Note Day 0.

Your explanation is logical enough, but I don't find fault with analyzing the positions to see if a good enough XX% helpful decision is possible.

A vanilla role would be less likely to care about which position to pick.

Is there such a role on this roster?

Currently, yes. There are "5 vanilla" at the moment.

[Tangrowth]

Hello, Serenity!

Why is your avatar not Mal's spaceship?

[Tangrowth]

DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.

[S~V~S]

If you look at all of the roles, there are horrible possibilities with all the positions. The one that looked best to me initially, position 2, includes the Hunger! (For those of you that have not played a Recruitment game, The Hunger is a horrible role that kills you in horrible ways for vague reasons. Having BEEN the Hunger and having been a victim of it, in two different games, I will say the Hunger sucks).

I think DH may be right. All options have positives and negatives, and that is how the hosts intended it.

[Tangrowth]

If you look at all of the roles, there are horrible possibilities with all the positions. The one that looked best to me initially, position 2, includes the Hunger! (For those of you that have not played a Recruitment game, The Hunger is a horrible role that kills you in horrible ways for vague reasons. Having BEEN the Hunger and having been a victim of it, in two different games, I will say the Hunger sucks).

I think DH may be right. All options have positives and negatives, and that is how the hosts intended it.

The Hunger may be the single scariest role I've ever seen in my entire mafia career.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

I was expecting it. How is this game setup going to affect your style this game?

Mafia hunting like a maniac will be a tough task given the current faction ratios. I might have to delay my behavior by a day. I've never played in anything like this (except maybe Game of Thrones Mafia on RYM, but that's only barely similar), so I'm not sure what strategies I might employ yet.

[Tangrowth]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

I was expecting it. How is this game setup going to affect your style this game?

Mafia hunting like a maniac will be a tough task given the current faction ratios. I might have to delay my behavior by a day. I've never played in anything like this (except maybe Game of Thrones Mafia on RYM, but that's only barely similar), so I'm not sure what strategies I might employ yet.

Fair enough, I'm just trying to generate discussion myself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless.

[aapje]

@Hosts:
Are some of the powers usable a limited number of times or are all powers usable whenever the corresponding position is effect?
For instance, could the lynch be switched every time position 2 or 5 comes up?

Which teams are the civvies and who are the baddies? Based on the descriptions I'd say Caelia and Ahriman as civvies while Ubzargan and Azura sound more like baddies. However only the first 2 have kills listed. Or do the baddie teams have kills regardless of position?

Will we get more elaborate descriptions on some of the roles? Quite a lot aren't very clear what they do.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.

I hate that adverb shit I'm just pointing out yours to see if any of the people who drink that fucked up Kool Aid will attack you for it or not.

[Fuskdall]

Hello, Serenity!

Why is your avatar not Mal's spaceship?

I am no spaceship, my child, though I may play one on TV. Carry on.

[Tangrowth]

One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless.

I'll contribute.

The adverb usage is no different than anything else when analyzing whether someone is telling a lie -- you have to first develop a baseline, and even then, it is far from an indicative factor on its own.

I refuse to buy into the fact that a player's adverb usage is any more effective at finding baddies in online mafia than the roll of a die.

[Tangrowth]

DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.

I hate that adverb shit I'm just pointing out yours to see if any of the people who drink that fucked up Kool Aid will attack you for it or not.

I know you do; you're just trying to draw the Epignosis out of his cave. I'm telling you to stop.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.

I hate that adverb shit I'm just pointing out yours to see if any of the people who drink that fucked up Kool Aid will attack you for it or not.

I know you do; you're just trying to draw the Epignosis out of his cave. I'm telling you to stop.

Your adverb-to-post ratio is off the charts amigo. Confirmed baddie.

[Tangrowth]

DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.

I hate that adverb shit I'm just pointing out yours to see if any of the people who drink that fucked up Kool Aid will attack you for it or not.

I know you do; you're just trying to draw the Epignosis out of his cave. I'm telling you to stop.

Your adverb-to-post ratio is off the charts amigo. Confirmed baddie.

[Bullzeye]

Why all this fuss about adverbs? Personally I've always found nouns to be the most suspicious part of language...

[Marmot]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

I was expecting it. How is this game setup going to affect your style this game?

Mafia hunting like a maniac will be a tough task given the current faction ratios. I might have to delay my behavior by a day. I've never played in anything like this (except maybe Game of Thrones Mafia on RYM, but that's only barely similar), so I'm not sure what strategies I might employ yet.

Fair enough, I'm just trying to generate discussion myself.

thellama73 is one of the two mafia recruiters. Discuss.

[Tangrowth]

My initial inclination was to badger DH with a pile of interrogative content for that, but then I remembered there are only two actual baddies in the game right now.

I was expecting it. How is this game setup going to affect your style this game?

Mafia hunting like a maniac will be a tough task given the current faction ratios. I might have to delay my behavior by a day. I've never played in anything like this (except maybe Game of Thrones Mafia on RYM, but that's only barely similar), so I'm not sure what strategies I might employ yet.

Fair enough, I'm just trying to generate discussion myself.

thellama73 is one of the two mafia recruiters. Discuss.

How do you figure?

[Marmot]

He hasn't posted yet.

[Bullzeye]

He hasn't posted yet.

Aha! Going after the low posters early are we?

[Tangrowth]

He hasn't posted yet.

Aha! Going after the low posters early are we?

Deliciously ironic.

[Marmot]

Yes!

Though in llama's case, he has posted elsewhere.

I'm also looking at G-man because he has posted normally thus far this game.

[Golden]

Assuming the idea here is that the positions will rotate throughout the game, I think the earliest stage (right now) would seem the ideal time to choose the position which features the most potentially frustrating roles that don't involve murdering someone. That would include things like lynch switches and day restarts -- both position 5. I'd rather have annoying things like those in play when the game is young than when we're dealing in a more evidence-based thread and vote choices are more meticulous. I'm still poking around though.

I endorse this.

I haven't had time yet to actually do my own analysis of which options are best, but I think it's a great idea to get horrible stuff out of the way early. The one problem is that most of the roles we don't know what alignment they will be, so I'd probably give more weight to getting things which are frustrating no matter what side of the fence they are on.

[Tangrowth]

I'm with Jay, the thread locking looks the most annoying of anything, despite how terrifying The Hunger and other roles are.