[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Bullzeye]

Bullzeye what do you think of J3's questions to the mods regarding espers?

Should I think anything of it? It seems a fair enough question to me.

[Matt]

You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.

If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

[RadicalFuzz]

You scold Matt for "trying to get people modkilled," but J3's actions had been interpreted similarly. Asking the mods to clarify espers' status the moment he goes over 72 hours without posting could be seen as a more tactful way to achieve the same end.

[Bullzeye]

You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.

If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?

Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.

[Matt]

You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.

If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?

Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.

I didn't ask you anything about your role, I asked who you targeted.

Again, should you vote for me? That's a question I'd like you to answer. If you think I am deliberately trying to get you mod-killed (and you should know that you're one of my fave peeps in Mafia), then you must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

[RadicalFuzz]

Ah, I misinterpreted your frustrations. He asked you to do something you believed to be against the rules. I thought you were upset at Matt seemingly trying to use modkills to his advantage as a player.

[Matt]

Ah, I misinterpreted your frustrations. He asked you to do something you believed to be against the rules. I thought you were upset at Matt seemingly trying to use modkills to his advantage as a player.

He may be frustrated that I asked him to "break the rules", but to say I am deliberately trying to get him mod-killed...he must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow, Bullz?

[Matt]

Anyway, gotta bail. Short shift today. Be back later peeps!

Also, Bullz, will you be voting for me tomorrow (assuming the Mafia or SK don't get me tonight! Gaaaah! )

Peace

[Bullzeye]

You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.

If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?

Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.

I didn't ask you anything about your role, I asked who you targeted.

Again, should you vote for me? That's a question I'd like you to answer. If you think I am deliberately trying to get you mod-killed (and you should know that you're one of my fave peeps in Mafia), then you must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?

Whether or not I was able to target someone on night 4 would reveal something about my role. Did you expect a serious answer? Good or bad I don't see why I'd ever want to give one. I had otherwise been thinking of you as a civ but you asking me to break the rules does make me question that. I will say again I don't know where my vote is going at this stage (and on night 4 I got criticised for knowing where it'd go, this time I seem to be being criticised for not knowing ).

Linki - breaking the rules = modkill. As I understand it Golden only bent them severely hence his lesser punishment. Knowing MP, he would almost certainly kill me on the spot if I'd given an honest answer to your question.

[Bullzeye]

Also Matt, when you get back I will expect an answer of what exactly you hoped to accomplish by asking me to infodump. If I get bored, I might even post the same question incessantly until you do answer.

[RadicalFuzz]

It's always fun to see people who are apparently convinced they'll be killed at night.

[RadicalFuzz]

Bullzeye, if you're still here, how have my posts in the last hour changed your opinion of me? Feel free to do a simple before and after analysis instead of a short answer. I'll read it.

[Bullzeye]

I don't know that they've had any impact at all to be honest. I've never suspected you regardless. I actually have a fairly good vibe about you, I think you've been making good efforts to get involved and find baddies. I might not always think you're right, but as of now I haven't seen a reason to think you're bad yet.

[RadicalFuzz]

Would you mind listing what you disagree with me on?

And it's likely a wording or definition issue, but it irks me to see that you haven't suspected me. You should be suspecting everybody, especially the players you think are right.

[Bullzeye]

Would you mind listing what you disagree with me on?

And it's likely a wording or definition issue, but it irks me to see that you haven't suspected me. You should be suspecting everybody, especially the players you think are right.

It was more of a general statement, I don't know of anything major so far worth bringing up.

I think it probably is a definition issue, I would say I never suspect everyone in any game. I suspect people who do things I find suspicious or when people I trust bring up arguments I think have good points to them.

[RadicalFuzz]

Is that last part a typo or do you suspect people that you already trust bringing up valid cases?

[Bullzeye]

Is that last part a typo or do you suspect people that you already trust bringing up valid cases?

You misread. The meaning of the sentence was I sometimes suspect people when people I trust bring up valid arguments against those people.

[RadicalFuzz]

J3 I'm aware you're out at the moment, but I want your opinion on something.

Ignoring the possibility of being lynched, what night phase do you think Wilgy will get killed?

Thanks for the clarification Bullzeye.

[RadicalFuzz]

The reversed question also applies to Wilgy. Ignoring the possibility of J3 being lynched, what night phase do you think he will get killed?

[Russtifinko]

I believe I have uncovered the truth.

You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.

I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
You're scum bro?
Why the movember smilie is thellama73 smilie?

These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.

[MacDougall]

I feel quite safe this evening.

B/c you can't self target, right?!

I call upon Choutas to read Epignosis as a possible serial killer and tell me what he thinks. Over to you Choutas.

Distancing, I see. Clever. But you're not fooling me.

If you guys want to lynch me tomorrow I won't fight you as long as you promise me one thing.

After I flip town, MattF is not allowed to play mafia on this forum for 3 months.

linki: Oh no you said Occam's Razor. Here comes Epi.

I am not done catching up from the posts that took place while I was sleeping but I had to stop and comment on this. What kind of person says something like this. C'mon Mac, you were so fun when the game started and now you are being an asshat.

What's wrong with it exactly?

"After I flip town, MattF is not allowed to play mafia on this forum for 3 months."

Rude.

I am going to bed.

Elohcin I fully expect to see a post calling Epignosis an asshat upon my return.

Goodnight all.

I don't think Epi has been an asshat this game. He's actually been kinder than normal. Can anyone else vouch for that?

Actually I saw Choutas online and thought it would be funny.

I dunno mate, I think it was pretty funny.

And he said that two couples of RYM are cheating on each other and should go to marriage counselling hence me jokingly saying that. It was pretty funny. But how come he's not rude and I am to you?

Not fair.

[MacDougall]

I believe I have uncovered the truth.

You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.

I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
You're scum bro?
Why the movember smilie is thellama73 smilie?

These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.

Can I please note that I am not a Syndicater and I have been tortured and bullied by you people. It's not very kind at all.

[Russtifinko]

Perhaps the reasons why the civvies keep losing is because they keep listening to the same leaders. Perhaps they should try following someone else for a change.

I'm a bit surprised Russ doesn't remember something that happened in his games, especially since I feel it was kind of important. I remember exact specifics of all my game. Like my first contest I ever hosted in 2011 was won by manu for a poem titled "my life as a princess" :lol: idk maybe he really doesn't remember, but maybe he doesn't want to see how similar my game is to there. Idk just thinking. He seems kinda rational about his thoughts so he is on my undecided list for now.

Really? I remember basically nothing about game I've played previously, unless someone jogs my memory. And I confess to only skimming the thread in Economics.

I think you're throwing shade here because I asked you for some input other than "Roxy is good, BR is bad", and you don't want to give it. However, since you are so confident in your BR read, I'll at least read her back and see what I come up with. I haven't read JJJ's iso on her yet, so I'll check to see if my read matches his.

Linki: Can't tell if Mac is serious...like, ever. If you really feel bullied, I'm sorry. I've found you fun to have in thread for the most part so far.

Also, I'm not touching the Elo/Mac thing for a bit. It's becoming reminiscent of Roxy/MattF, and I don't do drama.

[MacDougall]

If it gets anywhere near that please tell me and I will sign off and never post again.

[Russtifinko]

Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.

I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.

If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?

lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?

i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.

[MacDougall]

Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.

I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.

If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?

lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?

i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.

Russ read gud.

He was in the middle of hypothesising. The sentence is speculative.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry about that earlier J3, I forgot to add the actual statement. If you had to be stranded on the moon with three people from this game, which three would you take to avoid getting stabbed in the back?

Strawhenge, Matt F, RadicalFuzz

J3 I'm aware you're out at the moment, but I want your opinion on something.

Ignoring the possibility of being lynched, what night phase do you think Wilgy will get killed?

I can't answer this without essentially guessing, but I'll go with Night 8 or 9.

~~~

What insight do you think you might gain from these two questions?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe I have uncovered the truth.

You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.

I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
You're scum bro?
Why the movember smilie is thellama73 smilie?

These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.

If you ignore everything I've said about Mac, how would you read him?

[Russtifinko]

BR replaced in Day 2.

I'll explain what it is:

We'll run down the list of living players together (I'll shout out the names two at a time) and everyone including me will offer a ONE WORD read on that player WITH NO "NEUTRAL" ALLOWED.

The only legal words are "GOOD" or "BAD". Nothing else is acceptable.

Sounds like fun, I can't participate because I leave soon and also my opinion wouldn't be educated anyways. I already have good feelings on a couple of players though.

It is going to make extra pages though, but easy for me to get through so I approve.

Refuses to play JJJ's game. Has to leave soon and has no reads, which might be fair. I do think the game is designed to catch baddies though, so naturally a baddie wouldn't want in.

D4 she softly defends Floyd. Then she makes this post, where she says Epi and I stood out to her based on the LC lynch. (This is important further down.) Epi later confronts her on not really bringing up any specific points, and she says she was using the post to bait both of us out to get better reads on us. (Also important later.)

Then on D4 she votes Devin "because she thinks Sorsha is good", with no other reason given at all. I get wanting your vote to be meaningful, but you should never vote for someone if you don't suspect them yourself, just because someone else seems town to you. Weak.

The next day, fingersplints comes after BR for going after Roxy, and she says once again that she was throwing shade to get a player into the thread so she could interact with them and get a read. Since this is her second time saying so, and since she never actually asked to talk to any of the people she threw shade at during those posts, this sounds like a really convenient way to be able to make unsupported reads and then back off if she takes any heat whatsoever.

Then she posts this...

I must say I am increasingly suspicious of Black Rock, and I'll tell you why.

Her husband got lynched and was bad, yet she's missing votes and coming in here talking about Roxy being the serial killer. She lives with LC. She has heard him speak in real life all the time, knows his tone, has witnessed his ruses, and should have a solidi(ish) view of what he would do or would not. I'm just seeing no effort on that front, and if Black Rock is civilian, then I think her involvement would be more valuable than it is.

I subbed in near the end of LC's lynch and I had no idea what was going on the game. He's dead. What would you like me to, tell you if he sounded bad before he was lynched? He's bad, he was lynched and we were told so. I don't really understand this at all.

BR had already brought up Epi and me in regard to LC's lynch, although she didn't mention specifics. BR, yeah, LC is dead and was bad. That's exactly why your input is valuable here! How does baddie LC play? Does he ignore teammates, bus them, stage arguments and back off, read them as town, what?? Is there anything in his play whatsoever that gives you any indication of the alignment of anyone in the game?


To be honest, having read BR back, she doesn't look good. Sure, she's been busy and the thread is huge and I get that. To me though, all of this looks like a player making a very concerted and conscious effort to not make any reads or do anything that could be traced back to her.

I think that all 3 (Roxy, fingers, and BR) have been at best unhelpful and narrowly focused during the game. Roxy only wants Matt F dead and is not participating otherwise. fingers only wants Roxy alive and BR dead and is not saying anything else currently. And BR kinda sorta thinks Roxy is bad but won't take a stance on anything else for the life of her.

Linki: Tough call. I would have read him as supatown early in the game. I thought he looked TERRIBLE at the end of D4, and would have been ready to try to get the lynch train rolling if you hadn't said those types of posts were normal for him. It seems like other felt the same way as you, because no one seemed to think my D4 analysis of him had much merit, so I've let it be. He's doing MM-style chaos posts lately, which really tells us nothing. Elo doesn't like it, I find it amusing but uninformative.

So long story short, my JJJ-exempted read is slightly to moderately bad. In a super time-dependent way, though. He looks mostly good to me besides the end of Day 4, and at the end of Day 4 he looks the baddiest of the bad.

[Russtifinko]

Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.

I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.

If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?

lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?

Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?

If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?

i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.

Russ read gud.

He was in the middle of hypothesising. The sentence is speculative.

Sure, but the hypothesizing doesn't make sense. We now know Devin was good, so if espers is too then it makes literally no difference to Drugs whether espers or Devin goes, so we can get absolutely nothing from an analysis of what they'd have done. The only way any part of seaside's post is helpful is if espers is bad, and yet seaside is unwilling or unable to look at that hypothetical.

[Russtifinko]

Yeah, it looks like my read on BR converges somewhat with JJJ's. Thanks for pointing out her role in Devin's death; I hadn't thought much about it though it's obvious in hindsight.

I do think making reads and then backing off by saying she made them to get people in thread is suspicious at best, utter BS at worst.

[Tangrowth]

Just a heads up, but the Night 5 post will probably be late. We shall see. I know I won't be around, so if it is on time Sloonei will be flying solo. Thought I'd warn you all just in case.

[MacDougall]

Russ please point the posts at the end of day 4 that are bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ISO for bcornett24:

It occurs to me that I should refer back to my prior analysis of his of LC relationship to add better substance to my final conclusion this time. I thought Brian looked slightly better coming out of this, but couldn't qualify that read with better substance than a gut read.

~~~

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I know nothing of the syndicate players , so I'm going to vote for Devin the omniscient because his name sounds like somebody who is of authority and rundontwalk because it would be chaotic.

Both of his Dusk 0 votes went to confirmed townies.

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Okay, here's my offer.

I will let anyone who votes for me choose my night kills for me, if I am bad.

Scum one established

I would normally start off with a vote for sleepystalinist, but he is not here so instead, I'll vote for motel room because he has something to do with sleeping.

Is banter early voting common habit on RYM? I'm oscillating between reading bcornett24's vote as such and wanting to hear more from him on why he desired to make such an early vote for no serious reasons.

this vote seems to be generating some content so it seems to have served its purpose

This string of posts reads decently to me in terms of Brian's town meta. From his very first game Brian has shown an appreciation for reaction-baiting in the earliest stages of a game, and is willing to behave however he feels he must to inspire that. I think this stuff reflects that mindset well, from his matter-of-fact accusation of llama to his openly meaningless vote for motel room. This is just a meta thing so it isn't huge (and he might have learned to replicate this behavior by now), but it's a little smidgen of goodness.

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Dii - get used to it

Your excuse for not actually really playing mafia is 'get used to it?' If you keep playing the way you're playing you're getting a vote. I want to see something solid, meaningful and accountable by day 1 standards from you. I'm not getting used to scumminess, and, if I understand you correctly, that you're asking me to is making me very uncomfortable

Well tend to have a lot more OT banter over here on Day 1. As well as some people who always randomize on Day 1. I think your views on Roxy being bad are coming more from this culture being different, and wold urge you to consider that in your vote. Because I don't see anything I wouldn't expect coming from Roxy yet.

\Acrosstheaether on rym always responds in a similar manner to roxy's response, with a whatever/i dont care tone, it kinda drives me bonkers as even in late game, it is not easy, if possible at all, to read.

If I try to insert myself into the mind of town Brian, I don't struggle to see him adopting this perspective of Roxy. While her play doesn't "drive me bonkers" (Roxy rules!), I can certainly understand why someone who has never encountered before would call her dismissive/apathetic responses hard to read. I have a feeling a mafia-aligned Brian would have gone after Roxy for this conduct instead of merely lamenting that it is unreadable.

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Although I do agree with that there can be meaningful day 1 discussions generated by debating I also think that RVS helps to generate content especially when participation is lacking. I do recognize that day 1 content can often be wishy washy, but this is not to say that the content generated isn't useful to look back on later and in some cases useful on day one. birdwithteeth11

Now to focus on this post, I think this vote is easy, too easy. This is a convenient chance to direct attention in a very specific direction. This also feels like an attempt to buddy up to jay. Based on this post, I'm assuming that you don't care for or participate in RVS making this a very serious vote. Based on that I am not sure what purpose this is supposed to serve. This feels like a combination of forced interaction as well as suspicion direction.

There have been a few questionable statements made by people thus far but none that have truly hit a cord with me, not like this post here.

Brian took part in the demise of birdwithteeth. If we're to fairly criticize him for bad votes, we have to assess his stated reasons for placing them as much as the vote itself.

Yellow: This is a believable accusation. LC's move against bea is well-documented at this point, and BWT was the only person to bite (we know now that he did so innocently). I don't fault Brian for perceiving this to have been an easy vote.

Orange: It is a stretch however to accuse BWT of buddying me merely because he stated his agreement with me that Day 1 can be a productive phase. That's a pretty common stance and BWT wasn't the only one to agree with me.

I do think yellow is more important than orange here, so I'll still call it a mildly positive look. Mildly.

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I remember making this argument on RYM quite a few times when people were screwing around on day 1.

It was always a favourite easy way for me to play supertown as scum.

And you say I influence you...

Have I ever played town cheerleader/head coach as mafia? You bet.

I do it in every game though regardless of alignment, even around here where nobody knows me that well yet and I haven't proven myself.

What do you think Mac? Am I nefarious or not?

The sheer fact that you're in Sweden and play mafia instead of enjoying life proves you're nefarious. Definitely not a guy I'd trust.
That being said don't you find DrWilgy's post too much fluff with little substance?

Interesting proposition

I don't know what this post was. Brian, please explain what you meant here.

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Rox and others - tend to Day 1 Day 1. We recognise that ALL arguments are based on very little. The weakest of pings. And lacking anything concrete to go on, we reserve the right to random vote.

I don't know how I missed this. But now I REALLY don't feel good about you. I actually agree with JJJ in that if we're actually creating discussion and debating ideas early on in Day 1, it can lead to good leads going forward and possibly make us more likely to catch a baddie.

I know you're coming from an old-school Hedville/Piano mentality, and I can respect that, but the way you've said this really feels like you're trying to detract from a method for catching baddies.

For now, my vote is going to you.

Votes bea

Although I do agree with that there can be meaningful day 1 discussions generated by debating I also think that RVS helps to generate content especially when participation is lacking. I do recognize that day 1 content can often be wishy washy, but this is not to say that the content generated isn't useful to look back on later and in some cases useful on day one. birdwithteeth11

Now to focus on this post, I think this vote is easy, too easy. This is a convenient chance to direct attention in a very specific direction. This also feels like an attempt to buddy up to jay. Based on this post, I'm assuming that you don't care for or participate in RVS making this a very serious vote. Based on that I am not sure what purpose this is supposed to serve. This feels like a combination of forced interaction as well as suspicion direction.

There have been a few questionable statements made by people thus far but none that have truly hit a cord with me, not like this post here.

OK, this post.

bcornett24 agrees with bwt's view (which is also my own) but thinks bwt is just voting someone for a convenient reason? "[D]irect attention in a very specific direction," he says. Yet he doesn't state what directions bwt is (so poorly) moving attention away from. These kinds of phrases "directing attention" and "distracting from things" ring bad to me, because there are over 30 autonomous people here with different schedules and minds- there is no "attention" in the singular.

Could vote here.

To me, it felt like an easy attempt to direct suspicions roxy's way, while various people have stated she is matching her meta.

Epignosis was not impressed with the same post I referenced two spoilers above this one. Brian's response is a little awkward: he suggested BWT was attempting to redirect suspicion towards Roxy. I don't understand how this can be since BWT's post and vote (which Brian was critical of before) were about bea, not Roxy.

I'm not following you here, Brian.

Spoiler: show

I'm voting for long con to break the tie as there needs to be a lynch, my lynch will only be a waste of time.

Votes for LC to preserve himself. Obligatory move, null.

Spoiler: show

I've read/skimmed through page 35, based on what I have read thus far, I really don't like Golden and JJJs argument, they both seem to see each other as scum, maybe that is because they both are scum. But i suppose this would have to mean that LC was bussed by both of them? If this is the case I think JJJ and golden would really be able to wreck the town if both happened to be scum.

I don't like Jays sudden mentioning of RDW being presently absent, it is honestly terrifying. Both in the fact that RDW is watching quietly and that this felt like an attempt to change the direction of the conversation away from golden and him.

Is there a specific thing that Sorsha did to deserve all of this attention? (I'm currently in the process of reading pages 18-28 and 36-40).

Here's a post that I think can be helpful in getting a more concrete read on Brian. I've highlighted the important content that makes me think so. You'll note that he suggests both Golden and I might have BUSSED Long Con. This is important because it is a statement of the impossible. Golden cannot have bussed LC because Golden defended LC -- indeed he resisted me heavily when I moved against LC. So how does this reflect on Brian?

If he's mafia, then he obviously knows full well that Golden did not bus Long Con (assuming we're all right about Golden's civilian role). That cannot have happened because Golden and LC were not team mates. This means that Brian would have been intentionally fudging the facts in this post as a way of throwing shade on Golden and me.

I have my doubts.

I think this is more likely: Brian is a townie who was tasked with catching up in this monstrous thread, in the aftermath of the drama generated between Golden and I. In his earnest attempt to figure out what to make of that, he made a mental/observational error by associating Golden with the anti-LC crowd (of which I was a part) and and then tinfoiled about the possibility of a JJJ/Golden scum team.

I honestly think the mafia/not-mafia portion of reading Brian can be decided with solid clarity based on this single point. I would encourage everyone to review what I've said here and state your perspective on the matter.

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I'm going to stop there for now. I'll continue the review later if I deem it necessary. I'd like to hear people's takes on the pink-highlighted point first.

[fingersplints]

I don't think it's fair to say I am not saying anything else russ. I have pointed out a possible other connection, to BR but I'd rather make sure she is bad first. I also asked about the golden/Bullz thing. It doesn't even seem like you are reading my posts to know what you are talking about.

[fingersplints]

I'm not sure what Russ is expecting out of my post wise and it's a bit unfair as he isn't holding himself or anyone else to the same criteria. He is talking about mostly the same people as I am,and not making mention of the vast majority of the players, but I'm tunnelling. It honestly just feels like he is reiterating what others already said

[Sloonei]

Night 5: glasspenguin

espers was having a great time until his virtual reality started to malfunction, and all people were replaced by fire-breathing alligators and he had no choice but to retire.

espers has been modkilled for inactivity (by request). He was Slippery People.

To be continued...

[Sloonei]

Night 5: Radio Head

Night 5 has ended.

????? has survived a kill by Life During Wartime.

It is now Day 6. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[Epignosis]

Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.

[Marmot]

Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.

You're right. There's absolutely no way that he could have survived a kill at all.

Epignosis

[Ricochet]

Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.

You're right. There's absolutely no way that he could have survived a kill at all.

Epignosis

What?

[Marmot]

Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.

[Marmot]

DrWilgy

[Epignosis]

I'm just going to say this as a general announcement for everyone:

Please don't sign up for games you don't intend to play or probably cannot play.

[Ricochet]

Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.

What? (cont.)

Mafia don't have even night kills.

Although they'll have now, since they failed last night...

...except if Life after Wartime's night power was invalidated last night, so they didn't get to use an even night kill?

Luckily, it doesn't matter. I've got a case that will help us lynch a baddie and avoid N6. No more mislynches.

[Ricochet]

I'm just going to say this as a general announcement for everyone:

Please don't sign up for games you don't intend to play or probably cannot play.

Lol, he quit your game as well.

[Ricochet]

Hosts: did the mafia gain access to an even night kill or did Wartime making the kill deactivated his power, so the mafia gains nothing for N6?

[Epignosis]

I'm going to register the first vote for Black Rock.

[Marmot]

Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.

What? (cont.)

Mafia don't have even night kills.

Although they'll have now, since they failed last night...

...except if Life after Wartime's night power was invalidated last night, so they didn't get to use an even night kill?

Luckily, it doesn't matter. I've got a case that will help us lynch a baddie and avoid N6. No more mislynches.

Epignosis said "Hey espers, at least try to bait a nightkill."

I thought "Hey, someone DID survive a nightkill the other night. How would Epignosis know it wasn't espers?"

But then I double-checked espers' role, and realized I read it wrong... again...

[Elohcin]

I'm going to register the first vote for Black Rock.

Is this who you are most certain is mafia or are you trying to create discussion, or both?