[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

#5201

Epignosis wrote:I just remembered this. This shows the votes people (like Diiny) had at one point Day 5:

Epignosis wrote:

Posting this for posterity.

I haven't looked at seaside, but if he had been suspicious of Jay for days, it's interesting that he had followed Jay's vote on Day 5.

#5202

Fixed.

Epignosis wrote:I just remembered this. This shows the votes people (like Diiny) had at one point Day 5:

Epignosis wrote:
Spoiler: show
Posting this for posterity.

I haven't looked at seaside, but if he had been suspicious of Jay for days, it's interesting that he had followed Jay's vote on Day 5.

#5203

Everyone not voting J or Floyd:

Who would you rather see lynched?

#5204

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

#5205

Diiny wrote:Everyone not voting J or Floyd:

Who would you rather see lynched?

Even though your invitation didn't apply to me, I'm trying to work that out right now. I apologize for the utility posts, but I imagine others here may find them instructive.

I still think something is off with Black Rock, but I want to be informed on as many angles as possible.

#5206

Epignosis, why don't you include the bcornett votes from Day 2?

bcornett24
6
FZ. (19), Sorsha (21), Epignosis (26), bea (27), Golden (36), Long Con (38) 16%

#5207

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, why don't you include the bcornett votes from Day 2?

bcornett24
6
FZ. (19), Sorsha (21), Epignosis (26), bea (27), Golden (36), Long Con (38) 16%

Everybody on that roll call is dead (except me, and I have no interest in analyzing myself).

#5208

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, why don't you include the bcornett votes from Day 2?

bcornett24
6
FZ. (19), Sorsha (21), Epignosis (26), bea (27), Golden (36), Long Con (38) 16%
Everybody on that roll call is dead (except me, and I have no interest in analyzing myself).

Touche

#5209

Hello, everyone!

I've been absolutely swamped with midterms (both giving them and taking them), so I'm behind on reading the thread. Thankfully, my amazing co-host Sloonei has been taking care of things while I've just been too busy to do so.

If at any time you have questions in this thread addressed to us that have not yet been addressed, please PM both of us, just so Sloonei and I can give as swift a response as possible. I'm not sure yet when I will have time to properly catch up on the thread.

Thanks for understanding!

#5210

Spoiler: show

Takeaway the first:

Knowing that Long Con wasn't being saved...

Choutas was the first of the damning LC votes, the penultimate vote to save MacDougall, and is now (potentially) the first vote to save 3J. Choutas also voted twice for Sorsha and once for Devin.

I can't find where he voted Long Con or for why, but he did post this after the result.

That...does not look good to me at all, given what is known.

#5211

Also, have you all seen this?

#5212

I'm sorry everyone, but I'm burned out, today just wasn't a good day at all - plus it seems I'm finally coming with the first cold of the season, which is just stupendous.

I won't pull the trigger on JJJ without having re-read him, which is not simply impossible. I respect him as a player, regardless of what it'll turn out that he tried to do in this game. If he's mafia, it'll be the juiciest and craftiest distancing from/bussing of a teammate I can think of. If he's good, he will have burned himself too much in that townread of MacBaddie - I got punished and mislynched for way softer looking defending, a few times. In a way, I can agree that we can't proceed too much in the game without clarifying this did-he-didn't-he matter, nonetheless I'm not going to choose in lack of having done any analysis. I have no objections to a Floyd lynch, but if JJJ is mafia, I can't take any chances to have contributed to his counterwagon succeeding, either.

I'm going to stick with possible MacBaddie teammates trying to save him last Day (other than possibly JJJ, that is), that happen to coincide with LC voters and possible bussers, too (other than... well, you get the idea). Nothing from what I've analysed in the past makes me feel good about either sig, Choutas and motel. The latter two have been actively involved in the EoD, but sig could have made a more subtle push in motion of the entire wagon, given he's not on record with a lot of diiny suspecting before. Incidentally, all three are now scattered in the tally: sig on JJJ with, again, a suspicion on JJJ that we're hearing about for the first time in a lot of Days; Choutas on Floyd; motel with a wild vote on Russ.

Gut tells me to rank them as Choutas (for the pretty bad vote record and also timing of most of his votes, that could express careful blending, in complete contrast with doing so many switches and voting late on the Diiny counterwagon) > sig (for a mutual antagonism with LC that could be even more cooked and wilder MacBaddie's was, and for his latest votes which lack a real lot of background suss'ing) > motel (for his D2 comeback vote on LC being the only thing making me just a little bit doubtful he could have sent LC into overkill). So Choutas it is.

#5213

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, have you all seen this?

Looks completely idiotic tbh.

#5214

Choutas also completely lying as far as I can tell about reading mac as town all game makes him totally lynchable in my book

#5215

Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

#5216

seaside's reads of JaggedJimmyJay.

Day 3: reads him as civ in GTH reads.

Spoiler: show

Day 4: asks for everyone's read on Jay. Twice.

Spoiler: show

Day 4: Says one of the three players (Diiny, espers, and Jay) are mafia.

Spoiler: show

Day 4: Asks again (twice) what other players think of the same three players.

Spoiler: show

Day 4: Declares that Diiny is mafia. He doesn't mention the read of Jay here, but since he has said that one of these three is mafia (why?) and that it is Diiny, I think it's far to assume he townread Jay at this time.

This isolationist method doesn't make sense to me, but I'll move on for now.

Spoiler: show

Night 5: He goes back and says that one of Diiny, espers, and Jay is mafia. His reasoning is that one of the players who voted for Ricochet on Day 3 is mafia (decent argument there). He then goes on to list those three players and himself as the only players left alive from that day. It's hypocritical for him to call other players out for an action that he executed as well.

But alarm bells here. seaside says that if espers gets modkilled (nightkilled), then we should just lynch Diiny. This appears to be foreshadowing of the flip of espers as civilian.

Spoiler: show

Night 5: proposes a hypothetical situation where Jay is Drugs, but no read stated.

Spoiler: show

Night 5: Again states the same three players, though his suspicion of espers drops for some unstated reason. I can only assume it is because espers requested to be modkilled because that was his only post after his 72+ hour hiatus.

Spoiler: show

seaside wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.

Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?

seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.
are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?
If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?
i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
no i don't know he is
but i'm making an assumption based on the fact that he would of had to of been around to pm hosts to do a night task like drugs, the way he was given his warning sounded like he hadn't made contact with anyone or done anything on this site for nearly 3 days. i mean he could also be scum. i still believe either jjj, espers or diiny is scum. i guess espers is the one i least suspect now.

Night 5: Finally voices an official suspicion of Jay. But I don't believe it is sincere. If one can do a bunch of research and piecing things together, how can they deduce the same thing they stated 2.5 days? Seaside's initial proclamation was "one of these three is scum". His final deduction after "research and piecing things together" is "it is highly likely that one of these three is scum".

Spoiler: show

seaside wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
seaside wrote:I get those names from the people who voted for Ricochet on day 3? the one with the poll about who long con team mate. Whichever day that was.
These are the people who voted for him

JaggedJimmyJay, Rbzmncaeaei, Diiny, Golden, seaside, espers

Now RBZ and Golden have been killed.
I know i'm not scum.
Which leaves JJJ, Diiny and Espers.
I don't quite understand the rationale here. Your suspects, according to this, stem out of my D3 wagon, although you also contributed to that wagon, by clearly thinking I am bad. How can you simply exclude yourself from this, via simple civ claim, and treat the others suspicious for a lynch that you also endorsed?
This is the only problem or thing you are going to raise over this? of course if someone else was going to follow this theory (which no one seems to care about tbh ) then i should be included. but why should i include myself when i know that i am town? this seems like such a knit picking thing to have a problem with. The way you word it too, 'my D3 wagon'. I obviously made a mistake in voting for him. i've made many mistakes in this game. but what you are trying to twist here ain't one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
seaside wrote:i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?

Is there a scenario in which you wouldn't be suggesting I'm scum right now?
i don't think everyone in that three scum or acting extremely scummy as such. just due to my own research and piecing things together, i think it is highly likely that one of the three is scum. but how you have been acting now towards it. I do have a strong scum read on you

From here on, it is seaside voicing his baddie-read of JaggedJimmyJay.

I don't like his mention of espers being modkilled and moving on to Diiny. It reads like mafia foreshadowing and a slip to me.

#5217

Spoiler: show

Takeaway the second:

Like Choutas, sig voted early against LC, but was the first vote against Diiny. Also, unlike Choutas, sig is voting for 3J instead of TheFloyd73. However, again unlike Choutas (that I could see), sig gave a sound reason for his vote. Note well the "linki" clause at the bottom of the post, and MacDougall's response to it.

A concern of mine is that sig didn't vote for Mac even though he said he was suspicious of him, and rather tossed his vote onto Diiny, but the general impression I'm getting here is that sig isn't our man.

#5218

If I'm to believe he's scum and bussing like he did long con, though, my current vote feels worse.

Wouldn't you say yours does, Epi?

#5219

I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.

#5220

Diiny also has zero votes today. The wagon on him yesterday looks that much more insincere.

#5221

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.

I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

#5222

R ppl putting my name in white cause they think I'm SK?
Lmao

#5223

Spoiler: show

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

seaside wrote:I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

#5224

Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.

#5225

Epignosis wrote:
Spoiler: show
So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%
Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

seaside wrote:I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.
Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

#5226

Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

Here's the quote.

seaside wrote:Anyway, I'm sticking with either one of the 3 being scum. Espers, Diiny or JJJ
I do agree that if espers is just going to get night killed we should then just kill Diiny.

Seaside says one of the three players are mafia. He then says if espers is just going to be night killed (I believe he means modkilled), we should lynch Diiny (you) the next day. But if one of the three players is mafia, and wouldn't you being mafia hinge on how espers flips? It seems to me that he unintentionally declared that espers was civilian before he was modkilled.

Or is English not seaside's primary language and I'm over analyzing?

#5227

Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

#5228

seaside wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.

What part of the nature of the relationship between us three specifically makes it more likely in your book that only one is scum rather than two

#5229

Bogan is my primary language

#5230

seaside wrote:Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

What did JJJ do for Mac yesterday?

Linki: Ah that's right. You said you're from Australia.

#5231

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?
Here's the quote.

seaside wrote:Anyway, I'm sticking with either one of the 3 being scum. Espers, Diiny or JJJ
I do agree that if espers is just going to get night killed we should then just kill Diiny.

Ooooh, right, I see.

This is eyeworthy, good EYE

Seaside, if, as you say, it's more likely for one of us to be scum how did you know you wanted to lynch me the next day if you didn't know at that point that espers was town?

#5232

Diiny wrote:If I'm to believe he's scum and bussing like he did long con, though, my current vote feels worse.

Wouldn't you say yours does, Epi?

No, I don't feel worse about my vote. There is more than one Mafia left...

...right?

And 3J voted LC, so it fits the paradigm.

#5233

Diiny wrote:
seaside wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.
What part of the nature of the relationship between us three specifically makes it more likely in your book that only one is scum rather than two

I believe one of youse did something
Espers was gonna be mod killed so I figured he prob hasn't been doing the something that it would be someone actually active

#5234

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?
What did JJJ do for Mac yesterday?

Linki: Ah that's right. You said you're from Australia.

Try to save Mac
U trying to save jjj
It will be laughably scummy once jjj flips

#5235

seaside wrote:Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

No. I'm not that sloppy.

#5236

Whoops u not epi my bad

#5237

seaside wrote:
Diiny wrote:
seaside wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.
I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.
What part of the nature of the relationship between us three specifically makes it more likely in your book that only one is scum rather than two
I believe one of youse did something
Espers was gonna be mod killed so I figured he prob hasn't been doing the something that it would be someone actually active

Did something?

#5238

Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:If I'm to believe he's scum and bussing like he did long con, though, my current vote feels worse.

Wouldn't you say yours does, Epi?
No, I don't feel worse about my vote. There is more than one Mafia left...

...right?

And 3J voted LC, so it fits the paradigm.

Deep down I think I'm just scared and will always be scared to vote j, but I can't give in to fear

#5239

Epignosis wrote:
seaside wrote:Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?
No. I'm not that sloppy.

Makes two of us.

#5240

Diiny, what did you see between here:

Diiny wrote:I say this as someone very close to clicking on the Jay button just to make sure everyone's in on this for the right reasons:

What makes Jay worse than anyone else who voted for me rather than MacDougall?

and here:

Diiny wrote:All right, I'm as ready as I'll ever be for a Jay lynch.

Wouldn't be unhappy at all with Floyd dying, though.

that secured your conviction to place your vote?

#5241

I would feel slightly better. J3 has been avoiding talking about suspicions raised against Wilgy.

It's almost exclusively his own content, Diiny. I would rather see J3 lynched because he's on record saying significantly more than Floyd. We get interactions and reads as opposed to just a number advantage.

Yes, motel, I suggested it on Wilgy. Mac's flip to scum should be a fire under my heels but it's not.

#5242

TheFloyd73 wrote:Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

Here's some reasons.

Here's some more reasons.

What's your reason for voting for me?

#5243

seaside wrote:Whoops u not epi my bad

Nope. I'm not trying to save Jay.

#5244

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Diiny, what did you see between here:

Diiny wrote:I say this as someone very close to clicking on the Jay button just to make sure everyone's in on this for the right reasons:

What makes Jay worse than anyone else who voted for me rather than MacDougall?
and here:

Diiny wrote:All right, I'm as ready as I'll ever be for a Jay lynch.

Wouldn't be unhappy at all with Floyd dying, though.
that secured your conviction to place your vote?

Nothing, but I thought on it some more and realised you're my favourite today alongside brian. I didn't ask because I needed convincing you were the best case, though, I asked to verify whether those already on your case were there for the right reasons

#5245

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3 has been avoiding talking about suspicions raised against Wilgy.

I haven't found an opportunity to squeeze a proper analysis of DrWilgy into my postapalooza and it's unlikely I ever will. Bummer. Here's the cliff's notes for why I haven't thought the cases on him are convincing:

"He is producing content that looks substantial but isn't really substantial, and he is not applying it to his own scumhunting work."

I don't agree with this. I don't think his production looks like something he just put together for appearances sake, and I do think he has applied the information in his compilations to his reads.

Otherwise, I am hesitant to follow your gut suspicions primarily because they strike me as self-centered. You're suspicious of DrWilgy because of your own interactions with him -- this is bias territory and it simply cannot resonate with me that much because I am not you.

If I had the time to analyze him more thoroughly maybe I'd see what you're seeing. He isn't a priority for me though in limited time. I'm going to flip town, so don't concern yourself with what I am certain are theories that link he and I. I am irrelevant to him.

#5246

seaside wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spoiler: show
So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%
Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

seaside wrote:I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.
Yep, that all looks bad to me.
Nice job at taking things outta context

What is the context?

#5247

Ricochet wrote:I won't pull the trigger on JJJ without having re-read him, which is not simply impossible. I respect him as a player, regardless of what it'll turn out that he tried to do in this game. If he's mafia, it'll be the juiciest and craftiest distancing from/bussing of a teammate I can think of. If he's good, he will have burned himself too much in that townread of MacBaddie - I got punished and mislynched for way softer looking defending, a few times. In a way, I can agree that we can't proceed too much in the game without clarifying this did-he-didn't-he matter, nonetheless I'm not going to choose in lack of having done any analysis. I have no objections to a Floyd lynch, but if JJJ is mafia, I can't take any chances to have contributed to his counterwagon succeeding, either.

Why does that concern you?

#5248

When I wanted to pursue MacDougall, this was my response to what 3J initially had to say about him.

This is what 3J posted in response to me.

Required reading if you want to lynch or defend 3J, I should think. I'm going to reread it now with hindsight at my side.

#5249

Epignosis wrote:
Spoiler: show
So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

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JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%
Takeaway the first:

Knowing that Long Con wasn't being saved...

Choutas was the first of the damning LC votes, the penultimate vote to save MacDougall, and is now (potentially) the first vote to save 3J. Choutas also voted twice for Sorsha and once for Devin.

I can't find where he voted Long Con or for why, but he did post this after the result.

That...does not look good to me at all, given what is known.

#5250

While I appreciate the support, I am going to be a jerk and make a general statement:

I think the mafia team benefits from my survival almost as much as they benefit from my lynch (possibly even more since they'd be delaying the nearly-inevitable, so long as they're comfortable about the counterwagon right now). For that reason, I am increasingly wary of the people who have taken my side (or decided not to take either side), especially those I wouldn't have expected.

Matt F -- I didn't anticipate his support. It is abrupt.

Ricochet -- He is waffling on me now despite having put a decent amount into casing me earlier today.

Choutas -- I might be okay with this one. Mac's scum flip makes his prior suspicion of me collapse (which is a strange reversal of the rest of the players in general).

Strawhenge -- I didn't anticipate his support.

bcornett24 -- Brian's explanation for voting away from me is the most sound, as far as I can tell. Maybe he knows more than he should, or maybe he's just smart.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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