[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Elohcin]

When I read someone as town and they're on the chopping block, I will defend them to the bitter end. The reason people have been so perturbed by my treatment of Mac is that it was loud and constant -- which is what all of my content is in every game ever. Naturally when I get one wrong it turns the thread against me.

Normally I don't get them wrong. I'm not going to doubt my own read on Strawhenge just because of what happened with Mac. Your responses to me right now are rather timid -- I am threatening to help kill you without having built a case of my own, and you're only resistance to that is to lightly discredit my ability to read people and waffle on my intentions.

I don't anticipate that you'll vote for me though. Just because you townread Strawhenge doesn't mean you trust his judgment, and you have given no inclination that you do.

I don't see how a townie makes this post. Your true concern is whether I'll vote for you, not why.

METALMARSH89

And I will retort; what alignment would a player who makes this post be, and why?

I have to agree with MM here...again. (Sorry is that throws you off JJJ.) His statement does not read mafia to me. I think a civ would say what he said. I am interested in JJJ's answer too.

[Elohcin]

Elo, could you talk about why you want to lynch me now?

My initial suspicion of you came when you were posting close to a million times a day. I felt that it wasn't helpful to the town. After last night and today(mafia phase) I have found you took my thoughts into consideration and I am feeling a bit better about you. I am open to looking at other lynch options.

[Ricochet]

Ok, so it's nearly one hour to go, motel and Floyd are not showing up apparently to say anything and MM is saying things a civ would say. Cool.

Who are we suspecting again, then?

Who do we think isn't saying things a civ would say, at this point?

[Ricochet]

O wait, Floyd is logged.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I endorse a lynch of either Marsh sig or Floyd.

[Marmot]

Either way, I would not see it as common practice for the role with his vote forced (or sold) to come shouting at the top of my lungs as soon as Day begins that X must die - and not only that, but because he's killah. There are plenty other methods such a role can try.

Day 1 - Strawhenge votes seaside late (vote number 25 overall) - no night phase prior
Day 2 - Strawhenge votes seaside early (number 5 overall)
Day 3 - Strawhenge votes Sorsha early (number 7 overall) - there was no Night 2 prior
Day 4 - Strawhenge votes Sorsha early (number 6 overall)
Day 5 - Strawhenge votes MM early (number 2 overall)
Day 6 - Strawhenge votes MM somewhere in middle (number 10 overall) - he also did not change his vote at the end of the day under great duress
Day 7 - Strawhenge votes TheFloyd early (number 5 overall) - there was no Night 6 prior
Day 8 - Strawhenge votes MM early (number 1 overall)

linki: why "continues"? Continuing from where? Didn't Straw vote Floyd the previous Day?

Yes, but there was no Night 6, and so no one could make an offer for his vote.

So? I don't get the angle. Love for Sale receives an offer to sell his vote in a direction during the subsequent Day. It can or can't have anything to do with the player he wanted to vote the previous Days.

According to the role description, the first player to PM the host gets control of his vote, presumably after the offer is on the table.

[Russtifinko]

hey all, i am not feeling well this evening. I have read most things, but won't be writing much. I'm sorry to be around in only a limited capacity.

I don't see the MM thing. I have a personal policy against using dumped info to kill people.And Strawhenge is clearly implying he's info dumping, but not really giving us anything we can use. It's weird people are following him on this so readily, especially JJJ.

The interesting thing about Matt accusing JJJ and Epi of being teammates is that it drove them together in common defense. Doubt it means anything role-wise, but I found it kind of funny.

I haven't reread Floyd like I promised. I don't buy that the rivals thing with Straw was a baddie slip, but people saying he could be anything and we wouldn't know are right.

Epi's defense of motel is that he reminisced with a known baddie about past games super early on in this game. It means nothing to me, so my vote stays put for now.

Off to nap. I will try to be back before EOD to make sure I don't miss anything important.

PS-Rico, sorry for the chunky posts. I've called people out on content being too dense. It's a negative byproduct of the way I've been reading/catching up this game. I'll try to break things up more and bring more attention to my most salient points

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Elo, could you talk about why you want to lynch me now?

My initial suspicion of you came when you were posting close to a million times a day. I felt that it wasn't helpful to the town. After last night and today(mafia phase) I have found you took my thoughts into consideration and I am feeling a bit better about you. I am open to looking at other lynch options.

I understand. Unfortunately posting close to a million times a day is my MO. I'm going to try to tone in down at least a little in future TS games.

[Ricochet]

Either way, I would not see it as common practice for the role with his vote forced (or sold) to come shouting at the top of my lungs as soon as Day begins that X must die - and not only that, but because he's killah. There are plenty other methods such a role can try.

Day 1 - Strawhenge votes seaside late (vote number 25 overall) - no night phase prior
Day 2 - Strawhenge votes seaside early (number 5 overall)
Day 3 - Strawhenge votes Sorsha early (number 7 overall) - there was no Night 2 prior
Day 4 - Strawhenge votes Sorsha early (number 6 overall)
Day 5 - Strawhenge votes MM early (number 2 overall)
Day 6 - Strawhenge votes MM somewhere in middle (number 10 overall) - he also did not change his vote at the end of the day under great duress
Day 7 - Strawhenge votes TheFloyd early (number 5 overall) - there was no Night 6 prior
Day 8 - Strawhenge votes MM early (number 1 overall)

linki: why "continues"? Continuing from where? Didn't Straw vote Floyd the previous Day?

Yes, but there was no Night 6, and so no one could make an offer for his vote.

So? I don't get the angle. Love for Sale receives an offer to sell his vote in a direction during the subsequent Day. It can or can't have anything to do with the player he wanted to vote the previous Days.

According to the role description, the first player to PM the host gets control of his vote, presumably after the offer is on the table.

Forever?! Then why would MP keep announcing that Love for Sale is once more open for business, time and again?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

hey all, i am not feeling well this evening. I have read most things, but won't be writing much. I'm sorry to be around in only a limited capacity.

Feel better mate.

I don't see the MM thing. I have a personal policy against using dumped info to kill people.And Strawhenge is clearly implying he's info dumping, but not really giving us anything we can use. It's weird people are following him on this so readily, especially JJJ.

I took the opportunity to poke MM as hard as I could for a while, but I need more from Strawhenge before I pursue an MM lynch too.

[Ricochet]

If MM survives today or forever as mafia or SK, simply because we couldn't bypass the "info" nature of Straw's claim or because it's to be discarded as "info dump" altogether, I am going to smash everything in my house except for the piano. On tape.

I want to trust Straw, but I need him to push just a bit further, however he can or is able or allowed to, that he made a lock on, not just vague interpretation.

[Marmot]

I meant on a nightly basis. I guess I forgot to mention that. :P

Love for Sale – Every night, it offers to sell its subsequent lynch vote to all players. The first player that PMs the host accepting the deal may control how Love for Sale votes the subsequent day. (Secrets)

Linki: do it on vocaroo Rico.

[Marmot]

hey all, i am not feeling well this evening. I have read most things, but won't be writing much. I'm sorry to be around in only a limited capacity.

Feel better mate.

I don't see the MM thing. I have a personal policy against using dumped info to kill people.And Strawhenge is clearly implying he's info dumping, but not really giving us anything we can use. It's weird people are following him on this so readily, especially JJJ.

I took the opportunity to poke MM as hard as I could for a while, but I need more from Strawhenge before I pursue an MM lynch too.

I deserve it. I was trolling Epignosis pretty hard yesterday.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Floyd, if you come on by and talk to us a little bit before this lynch is finalized, I'll vocaroo myself singing Pink Floyd.

And yes y'all, I remember my campaign promise from Dusk 0. It'll happen when time permits.

[Ricochet]

I meant on a nightly basis. I guess I forgot to mention that. :P

Love for Sale – Every night, it offers to sell its subsequent lynch vote to all players. The first player that PMs the host accepting the deal may control how Love for Sale votes the subsequent day. (Secrets)

Linki: do it on vocaroo Rico.

Yes. New Night, new bidder (sp?). It can possibly fit so that Straw, as Love for Sale, would have to constantly (or almost so) vote you.

Also, there are *Secrets*, so who knows what else there is to it.

[sig]

Okay I'm going to comment on some things as I go. I still think JJJ is mafia, though I'm unsure about Epi.
I could go for a Floyd lynch I've voiced some suspicion of him, but even if he is mafia if we have others who we think are mafia I believe we should pursue them instead.

Read over Rico ISO, I could go with a motel room lynch over Floyd today.

Straw is interesting he wants MM lynched yet gives no reasoning for it, if MM were to flip civ then Straw would most likely be lynching this isn't something he would do unless he was sure that MM was mafia.

I'm really not sure about some of the leading wagons, motel room had early suspicions of LC and defended Sorsha, looking back this makes him slightly more positive, I will be voting for JJJ tonight, I'm unsure about MM he is slightly leaning mafia, but I'm not sure if I trust Straw enough to just follow him.

I encourage those who are suspicious of JJJ to vote for him, he was almost lynched yesterday and I still believe he is mafia.

JJJ

[Ricochet]

How do you feel about Russ' stance on you being lynched today, MM? He's Mafia in your books, after all, right?

[Ricochet]

Okay I'm going to comment on some things as I go. I still think JJJ is mafia, though I'm unsure about Epi.
I could go for a Floyd lynch I've voiced some suspicion of him, but even if he is mafia if we have others who we think are mafia I believe we should pursue them instead.

Read over Rico ISO, I could go with a motel room lynch over Floyd today.

Straw is interesting he wants MM lynched yet gives no reasoning for it, if MM were to flip civ then Straw would most likely be lynching this isn't something he would do unless he was sure that MM was mafia.

I'm really not sure about some of the leading wagons, motel room had early suspicions of LC and defended Sorsha, looking back this makes him slightly more positive, I will be voting for JJJ tonight, I'm unsure about MM he is slightly leaning mafia, but I'm not sure if I trust Straw enough to just follow him.

I encourage those who are suspicious of JJJ to vote for him, he was almost lynched yesterday and I still believe he is mafia.

JJJ

"I could go for a Floyd lynch" yet "I'm not sure about" him as one of the "leading wagons" and also "we should pursue others" "even if he is mafia".
"I could go with a motel lynch" yet "I'm not sure about" him as one of the "leading wagons" and also stuff about him makes him "slightly more positive"
"Straw" wouldn't push for an MM lynch "unless he was sure that MM is mafia" yet "I'm unsure about MM" and "not sure if I trust Straw enough".

All of this in the same post.

[Epignosis]

Epi's defense of motel is that he reminisced with a known baddie about past games super early on in this game. It means nothing to me, so my vote stays put for now.

It's not a defense. It's an opinion, one I rendered since I was asked.

[Marmot]

How do you feel about Russ' stance on you being lynched today, MM? He's Mafia in your books, after all, right?

I don't think I can really say anything to that. Bullzeye has a similar policy that I have seen on two occasions before in which he will refuse to vote for a player if somebody "dumps info" on them.

In this case, Strawhenge didn't actually "dump" anything, at least not intentionally. He just asked if answering a question about infodumping is infodumping.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Russti's policy, but I don't think it applies here, and it's possible he just missed the post I linked while skimming.

[Marmot]

How do you feel about Russ' stance on you being lynched today, MM? He's Mafia in your books, after all, right?

But you know what, Russtifinko.

If I could have a nickel for every time I changed votes today...

[TheFloyd73]

Hey Floyd, if you come on by and talk to us a little bit before this lynch is finalized, I'll vocaroo myself singing Pink Floyd.

And yes y'all, I remember my campaign promise from Dusk 0. It'll happen when time permits.

What the heck does vocaroo mean?

[Ricochet]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

[DrWilgy]

MM you are all over the place.

Votzee placed on METALMARSH

I'll talk about Chou as soon as possible. I went to go hang out with Fuzz and didn't have time to explain. Do forgive me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Floyd, if you come on by and talk to us a little bit before this lynch is finalized, I'll vocaroo myself singing Pink Floyd.

And yes y'all, I remember my campaign promise from Dusk 0. It'll happen when time permits.

What the heck does vocaroo mean?

I'll record myself singing a song. It will awful.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MM you are all over the place.

Votzee placed on METALMARSH

I'll talk about Chou as soon as possible. I went to go hang out with Fuzz and didn't have time to explain. Do forgive me.

All over the place in what regard? You have twenty minutes, don't waste any time. Talk talk talk.

[Marmot]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

I didn't learn anything, except that Epignosis's post wert motel room provided a decent defense.

I also read through some of motel room's posts. My biggest reason for suspecting him was for his sudden vote of Diiny on Day 6 after he had voted for Black Rock, and then GTH'ing Diiny as Good on Day 7. But I realized that his suspicion of Diiny was not a newfound thing on Day 6 like I had thought, but something that he had brought up before. Also, his GTH read was a result of Diiny returning to activity, and the fact that MacDougall was lynched over Diiny.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay I'm going to comment on some things as I go. I still think JJJ is mafia, though I'm unsure about Epi.
I could go for a Floyd lynch I've voiced some suspicion of him, but even if he is mafia if we have others who we think are mafia I believe we should pursue them instead.

Read over Rico ISO, I could go with a motel room lynch over Floyd today.

Straw is interesting he wants MM lynched yet gives no reasoning for it, if MM were to flip civ then Straw would most likely be lynching this isn't something he would do unless he was sure that MM was mafia.

I'm really not sure about some of the leading wagons, motel room had early suspicions of LC and defended Sorsha, looking back this makes him slightly more positive, I will be voting for JJJ tonight, I'm unsure about MM he is slightly leaning mafia, but I'm not sure if I trust Straw enough to just follow him.

I encourage those who are suspicious of JJJ to vote for him, he was almost lynched yesterday and I still believe he is mafia.

JJJ

You've wiggled on everything except your read of me. Gun to head, tell me your read on: MM, Strawhenge, Floyd, motel room, Epignosis

[JaggedJimmyJay]

THEFLOYD73

[sig]

MM bad
Strawhenge good
Floyd bad
Motel Room bad
Epignosis good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

Why have you opted for MM?

[Ricochet]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

Why have you opted for MM?

Trusting Straw's shout.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MM bad
Strawhenge good
Floyd bad
Motel Room bad
Epignosis good

You just told us you're unsure of the leading wagons. The leading wagons are the three people you've just called bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

I didn't learn anything, except that Epignosis's post wert motel room provided a decent defense.

Decent in what regard?

[Marmot]

But I do think that Russtifinko's and sig's inexplicable trust of me when every other player seems to have either voted for me today or has considered voting for me today (except Elohcin). Here's a recap of their interactions with each other. This was quick since it was so short.

sig's mentions of Russtifinko

Link - Day 3 - Asks what the argument for a Russtifinko lynch is.
Link - Day 5 - Questions if Russ is a top lynch choice.

Russtifinko's mentions of sig

Link - Night 1 - commented on sig being tied in the lynch-poll.
Link - Night 1 - asks sig why he considers himself a weak player and an easy lynch candidate.
Link - Day 5 - says he must look into sig more, being a RYMer that he has been ignoring.
Link - Day 6 - says that Diane's (who's Diane?) point about sig is a good one, but goes on to talk about another player.

[TheFloyd73]

I'm scared now

[Choutas]

Fwiw Pink Floyd was my favourite band when I was 20. Too bad their fan is scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm scared now

Talk to me, Floyd! If you are lynched what will happen?

[Ricochet]

I was there. And yes, I listened to Pompeii exactly on that location.

[TheFloyd73]

Fwiw Pink Floyd was my favourite band when I was 20. Too bad their fan is scum.

Echoes is my favourite song.

[Choutas]

Town will be winning.

[Marmot]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

I didn't learn anything, except that Epignosis's post wert motel room provided a decent defense.

Decent in what regard?

The post from Day 1 or Day 2 when motel responded to Long Con's long con and called him for it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1 vote margin is shenanigan central.

[Tangrowth]

DAY 8

Who tried and failed to kill Mr. (or Mrs.) ?????

Poll ended at Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:28:25 pm


bcornett24
0
No votes
Bullzeye
0
No votes
Diiny
1
bcornett24 (8) 4%
DrWilgy
1
RadicalFuzz (15) 4%
Elohcin
0
No votes
Epignosis
0
No votes
JaggedJimmyJay
1
sig (20) 4%
Matt F
0
No votes
Metalmarsh89
4
Strawhenge (4), TheFloyd73 (6), Ricochet (22), DrWilgy (23) 17%
motel room
2
Russtifinko (5), Matt F (18) 8%
RadicalFuzz
0
No votes
Ricochet
0
No votes
Russtifinko
3
motel room (7), Bullzeye (19), Metalmarsh89 (21) 13%
sig
0
No votes
Strawhenge
0
No votes
TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Diiny (11), Epignosis (16), Elohcin (17), JaggedJimmyJay (24) 21%
Two killers who aren't very good job at their jobs, apparently (host, deadies, non-players)
7
MovingPictures07 (1), Sloonei (2), HamburgerBoy (3), a2thezebra (9), MacDougall (12), bea (13), juliets (14) 29%
Total votes : 24

[Ricochet]

Did you get your results out of voting motel and wanting to see what comes out of that?

Also, MetalMarsh.

I didn't learn anything, except that Epignosis's post wert motel room provided a decent defense.

Decent in what regard?

The post from Day 1 or Day 2 when motel responded to Long Con's long con and called him for it.

Did you answer where the four teammates remaining (at most) reside, if not among LC bussers?

[Marmot]

Did you answer where the four teammates remaining (at most) reside, if not among LC bussers?

1) I don't know where the teammates' votes resided.

2) I did not say it was not a bus. I said we can't assume it is a bus.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some shit is leaking in my bathroom.

[Black Rock]

Some shit is leaking in my bathroom.

ew

[Ricochet]

Did you answer where the four teammates remaining (at most) reside, if not among LC bussers?

1) I don't know where the teammates' votes resided.

2) I did not say it was not a bus. I said we can't assume it is a bus.

1)

[Marmot]

Cross smileys for days.