[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Matt]

Rico - We've already went back and forth. In the case I just provided, I also listed some other things that weren't found in my previous cases so saying "Oh just the same thing", okey dokey sure. Anyway, I'm more interested in every other player's reaction to my case, not yours. We already know your reaction. You'll call me names if I'm wrong.

3J - Case me, by all means. When you're done with that, can you read my case on Rico? Thanks.

Back to Rico - Give me an answer for # 1. Acknowledge that Mac defended you a bunch. Acknowledge Black Rock loving your posts and how helpful they were. Acknowledge you not wanting to lynch Floyd because of some weird counterlynch excuse despite you sussing him all game and even going so far to post a meme sussing him. Give me your opinions on Mac's G2H reads the day he listed Floyd and Black Rock as good. Do you think he also has other teamies listed as good in that G2H? Because he certainly has a couple civvies, bea and Roxy (and me!), as bad.

Dude, don't deny that this case looks bad against you. It absolutely does. I believe you even said so yourself in a previous response to me. It's not all in my head, I'm not simply "delusional" (oh, Mac also called me this once, he flipped scum).

Please every other player - evaluate my case and before reading it, try to put out of your head that "Crazy Matt F makin' another case", cuz this one feels really good, IMO.

[Matt]

Y'know, there's so much scum on Rico, I forgot to mention some of it during my big case. So much scum!!!

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I'd like to ask the Hosts what RDW's status is and what's in store for him, it's a week since he last posted, so way beyond the 72-hour grace period.

Here we have Rico letting the host know that RDW (a civvie!!) is "so way beyond the 72-hour grace period", and he'd like to know "what's in store for him".

Now, later on, I would question why Rico is trying to get players mod-killed, and he would say he "was not trying to get players modkilled", but before I quote that fun conversation, let me bring this to your attention, this post which occurred after Rico essentially asking for a modkill and before Rico telling me that's NOT what he was doing...

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rundontwalk has been modkilled for inactivity. He was Road to Nowhere.

Bye RDW. Bad civ role loss, dammit. I was hoping at least one of the mafioso would be a slacker worth modkilling.

M'kay. Now our convo about it...

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Tbh, Rico, you continually asking MP to modkill non-players makes me increasingly suspicious. Didn't you call for rdw's modkill, and he was civvie?

Where did I ask the Hosts to modkill either espers or RDW? I asked for status clarification, under the Participation Score guidelines.

Lol

Seriously, this had me laughing but down to business...

You correcting me from "modkill" to "status clarification" is all well and good, but you've hardly defended the point. Why do you keep asking for status clarification if you're not trying to get them mod-killed?

Also, I seem to remember a certain Rico causing ties in the Day 0 thread.

Linki - The civvie killer hasn't killed once. Earlier I was thinking maybe that role went to HamburgerBoy.

I'm not correcting you, you said that I've "asked MP to modkill". That's literally defending myself against you, at best, misunderstanding what I did and, at worst, putting words in my mouth.

I can't get anyone modkilled, modkills don't happen at players' requests. People will get modkilled if they fail to meet the criterias.

I don't have any idea what connection there is between Day 0 and this subject. But if you insist, lemme just roll my sleeves, in case you really want to go over that thing again, for no reason except that you have it written in your notebook.

Anyway, also in my case, I forgot to lynch Rico's voting record...

Day 1 - Bea (civ)
Day 2 - Dr Wilgy
Day 3 - Golden (civ)
Day 4 - Devin (civ)
Day 5 - espers (civ)
Day 6 - MacDougall (bad - made a case on him...players who have played with Rico, does he buss his teamies?)
Day 7 - Choutas
Day 8 - Metalmarsh
Day 9 - sig (civ)

After nine day phases, has not repeated a single vote. Yet players accuse me of randomly pointing out bad guys. M'kay. It looks to me like Rico can't stick with a suspicion. Prolly cuz he has none since he's on dat Mafia.

C'mon peeps. Lynch him with me next day phase? Please?

[Ricochet]

I went and checked and MacDougall hasn't used the word delusional in 11 pages of posting.

Seriously, how delusional are you?

Also, you know damn well for what I called you that. #2 and #11, not everything. Yet you blow it to the size of your entire case. You go do that, but it's word twisting nonetheless.

I'm at the very threshold of starting to wish you're actual scum trying to dig graves here, rather than genuinely being this thick.

The rest of your post makes me want to close my computer. I have nothing to add to that, because a) I've already given you answers to pretty much all you say; b) it's not worth talking to a wall.

I gave you an answer to #1.
"Acknowledge", "acknowledge", "acknowledge". Are you serious? You're asking me to acknowledge to sins that aren't real? I can defend (although given that it's you, it seems moot already), but I'll certain not "confess" to anything that's not true.
You want my opinions on Mac? How 'bout you go search these things called reads I did on every player (except for you and JJJ, out of timing, volume and burn out issues), regarding how they interacted with Mac and how Mac interacted with them.

Plus, I'm not sure what you want to hear from me anymore regarding Mac, considering you're hunting me for 73% what mafia said about me and only 27% what I said about mafia. Not to mention that in Mac's case, you're judging me for almost 100% of what Mac said about me and 0% of how I hunted him down. And to anticipate, I also gave you an answer before about the green skittles as well, so go look that up, too.

I haven't denied I look bad before, so look it up. I look bad, but it doesn't make me bad. I've been mislynched before for looking this shitty and it will happen again, should I get lynched for this. I have 100% doubts you'd bother at all with this perspective or in fact this perspective that I must be the worst mafioso in the game ever, if everything you say is true. You only bother with what's in your head. Keep it stirring, then, by all means.

[Matt]

Anyway, also in my case, I forgot to lynch Rico's voting record...

I forgot to list* Rico's voting record...

As you can see, I really want this scum gone.

Linki - Rico, again, I'm looking forward to you calling me names if I'm wrong. Every other player, whattaya think?

[Ricochet]

Y'know, there's so much scum on Rico, I forgot to mention some of it during my big case. So much scum!!!

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I'd like to ask the Hosts what RDW's status is and what's in store for him, it's a week since he last posted, so way beyond the 72-hour grace period.

Here we have Rico letting the host know that RDW (a civvie!!) is "so way beyond the 72-hour grace period", and he'd like to know "what's in store for him".

Now, later on, I would question why Rico is trying to get players mod-killed, and he would say he "was not trying to get players modkilled", but before I quote that fun conversation, let me bring this to your attention, this post which occurred after Rico essentially asking for a modkill and before Rico telling me that's NOT what he was doing...

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rundontwalk has been modkilled for inactivity. He was Road to Nowhere.

Bye RDW. Bad civ role loss, dammit. I was hoping at least one of the mafioso would be a slacker worth modkilling.

M'kay. Now our convo about it...

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Tbh, Rico, you continually asking MP to modkill non-players makes me increasingly suspicious. Didn't you call for rdw's modkill, and he was civvie?

Where did I ask the Hosts to modkill either espers or RDW? I asked for status clarification, under the Participation Score guidelines.

Lol

Seriously, this had me laughing but down to business...

You correcting me from "modkill" to "status clarification" is all well and good, but you've hardly defended the point. Why do you keep asking for status clarification if you're not trying to get them mod-killed?

Also, I seem to remember a certain Rico causing ties in the Day 0 thread.

Linki - The civvie killer hasn't killed once. Earlier I was thinking maybe that role went to HamburgerBoy.

I'm not correcting you, you said that I've "asked MP to modkill". That's literally defending myself against you, at best, misunderstanding what I did and, at worst, putting words in my mouth.

I can't get anyone modkilled, modkills don't happen at players' requests. People will get modkilled if they fail to meet the criterias.

I don't have any idea what connection there is between Day 0 and this subject. But if you insist, lemme just roll my sleeves, in case you really want to go over that thing again, for no reason except that you have it written in your notebook.

Anyway, also in my case, I forgot to lynch Rico's voting record...

Day 1 - Bea (civ)
Day 2 - Dr Wilgy
Day 3 - Golden (civ)
Day 4 - Devin (civ)
Day 5 - espers (civ)
Day 6 - MacDougall (bad - made a case on him...players who have played with Rico, does he buss his teamies?)
Day 7 - Choutas
Day 8 - Metalmarsh
Day 9 - sig (civ)

After nine day phases, has not repeated a single vote. Yet players accuse me of randomly pointing out bad guys. M'kay. It looks to me like Rico can't stick with a suspicion. Prolly cuz he has none since he's on dat Mafia.

C'mon peeps. Lynch him with me next day phase? Please?

From this point onwards, until I die or you come to your senses with your obstinate turd throwing and making apophenia tarts out of every single detail, you are receiving lyrics and nothing else.

Furthermore, I'll totally randomize them, so that most of them won't make any sense. Matt style!

Here we go.

The world crashes in, into my living room.

[Ricochet]

I went and checked and MacDougall hasn't used the word delusional in 11 pages of posting.

Seriously, how delusional are you?

Also, you know damn well for what I called you that. #2 and #11, not everything. Yet you blow it to the size of your entire case. You go do that, but it's word twisting nonetheless.

I'm at the very threshold of starting to wish you're actual scum trying to dig graves here, rather than genuinely being this thick.

The rest of your post makes me want to close my computer. I have nothing to add to that, because a) I've already given you answers to pretty much all you say; b) it's not worth talking to a wall.

I gave you an answer to #1.
"Acknowledge", "acknowledge", "acknowledge". Are you serious? You're asking me to acknowledge to sins that aren't real? I can defend (although given that it's you, it seems moot already), but I'll certain not "confess" to anything that's not true.
You want my opinions on Mac? How 'bout you go search these things called reads I did on every player (except for you and JJJ, out of timing, volume and burn out issues), regarding how they interacted with Mac and how Mac interacted with them.

Plus, I'm not sure what you want to hear from me anymore regarding Mac, considering you're hunting me for 73% what mafia said about me and only 27% what I said about mafia. Not to mention that in Mac's case, you're judging me for almost 100% of what Mac said about me and 0% of how I hunted him down. And to anticipate, I also gave you an answer before about the green skittles as well, so go look that up, too.

I haven't denied I look bad before, so look it up. I look bad, but it doesn't make me bad. I've been mislynched before for looking this shitty and it will happen again, should I get lynched for this. I have 100% doubts you'd bother at all with this perspective or in fact this perspective that I must be the worst mafioso in the game ever, if everything you say is true. You only bother with what's in your head. Keep it stirring, then, by all means.

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Linki - Rico, again, I'm looking forward to you calling me names if I'm wrong. Every other player, whattaya think?

Walk lightly!

[Matt]

I currently have about 17 or 18 points against you, Rico.

If you get tired of song lyrics, please address each one individually.

Thank you.

[Ricochet]

I currently have about 17 or 18 points against you, Rico.

If you get tired of song lyrics, please address each one individually.

Thank you.

1. You must be having fun.

2. This report's incomplete. I see for myself.

3. Maybe that's all that it takes.

4. But first... show me what you can do.

5. Don't touch me I'm a real live wire.

6. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Here we go again.

7. Say something once, why say it again.

8. I try to make myself clear (in front... of a face...).

9. So take your hands out of your pockets. And get your face adjusted.

10. This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around.

11. You are delusional. Signed, David Bryne.

12. So many people... have their problems. I'm not interested... in their problems.

13. I ain't got time for that now.

14. No surprise at all.

15. What's the matter with him? He's alright!

16. God help us!

17. Who knows, who knows, what she's thinking.

18. Strawhenge Epignosis Ricochet Matt

[Matt]

Here is my entire case on Ricochet in one post. Also don't forget he purposely caused ties in Day 0

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Alright Rico, I'm not gonna go down this road about Wilgy/3J, because you have even less info then I do about the whole thing, so it's just confusing an doesn't contribute much.

Instead, here you go...

The Case Against Ricochet

I've presented my case against Ricochet twice, but both times, I have not quoted straight from the horse's mouth. So here is my case (again) with quotes instead of just summarizing.

If you're still playing, please take time to read this. One of my better, not so outlandish cases, IMO, and believe it or not I have caught baddies in Mafia before (not just stumbling onto them like what happened with Mac)...

1.

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My main suspicion at this point is Ricco. First of all, he seems to be saying a lot, without really saying anything. Even when he voiced some suspicion, it's done in an "intrigued" tone, as if he's trying to avoid confrontation. If you add to that what K4J said about how he voted at the end of day 0 on the syndicate, it's another reason to not trust him at the moment.

As for rico - he seems fairly rico for me atm. I don't have a good feel for his civ vs his bad game as I've only played a few with him and tbh, I don't remember where he ended on any of them. (This is my fault not his) but his meta seems to be what I'd expect from him.

I snipped the quote for clarity. Here, bea defends Rico while not defending him at the same time. (This opinion of mine is new upon this reread, actually) If either bea or Rico turn up bad, then this kind of statement would make me look at the other.

1. Let's assume Rico is good. Tell me why Long Con said this. Let's assume Rico is bad. You don't have to tell me why Long Con said this, I already know.

2.

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Before any quotes, I'd like to point out an initial suspicion. It never sits right with me when someone claims that they will be changing and/or playing with a different style after role cards have already been distributed. This applies to Rico, and BWT. I'm not going to go back and try to quote the comment because I'm pretty sure it was Day 0. Rico stated that he'd be more zany and BWT followed suit, almost immediately after Rico. I do not recall BWT's reasoning for claiming a more zany (zanier? zaniest? are those actual words? they don't sit right with me.) and would like to hear about this. Also, someone correct me if my memory of Day 0 events are failing me.

I believe a factor of the "zaniness" is the ongoing contest with the prize going to the person who uses the most Talking Heads in their posts. Zanier and zaniest sit fine with me, as the comparative and superlative forms of 'zany'.

2. Here, we have Dr Wilgy stating his suspicion on those who claim they will change up the way they play this game. He includes Ricochet and BWT in this group. Then, Long Con comes around to save the day by pointing out the contest.

3.

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Day 0 counts as much as we want it to count, as far as I know. If someone did something suspicious on Day 0, then it's valid to suspect them for it during the remainder of the game.

However, I find a preoccupation with Day 0 to be suspicious in and of itself, because there has been plenty of content during Day 1 to sift through. Focusing on Day 0 seems like an angle, a weak way to have conversation and seem to be involved.

3. The above was in response to convo between Choutas and Wilgy, however, I'd also like to note that I had been harping on the fact that Ricochet was making ties in the Day 0 thread despite our host asking us not to.

4.

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http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

I decided to link to this post instead of quoting it since it's so damn long. I think a lot of thought has gone into this post.

4. Here we have Black Rock telling us she thinks a lot of thought has been put into Rico's post and provides a link for it.

5.

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http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p184571

Still thinking about this post actually. I'm just loving it, it's very helpful for me. Thank you.

5. Here we have Black Rock linking Rico's post again, telling us she's just "loving it", it's "very helpful".

6.

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RICOCHET

ROXY

RUNDONTWALK

RUSSTIFINKO

Good

Bad

Good

Good

6. Here we have MacD's G2H read on Ricochet. It is GOOD. In this same G2H, I'd like to point out that MacD lists Black Rock and Floyd as GOOD. He also lists known civvies Bea and Roxy as BAD. Also listed bad - myself (I'm civvie!) and Dr Wilgy and Bullzeye. Considering three of his "BAD" choices are civvie, and he listed two baddie partners as "GOOD", I think this also looks good for the Doctor and Bullzeye. It also wouldn't be out of the question to think that one or more of MacD's partners can be found in MacD's "GOOD" G2H.

7.

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Jimmy I don't agree with your case on Ricochet if it's based on the fact that he is using Talking Heads phrasings in his posts. Your difficulty following what he's posting is because of that.

7. Here we have MacDougall telling 3J he doesn't agree with 3J's case on Ricochet.

8.

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Jimmy I don't agree with your case on Ricochet if it's based on the fact that he is using Talking Heads phrasings in his posts. Your difficulty following what he's posting is because of that.

That would be a dumb thing to case someone for, I agree. The biggest issue by far is the forced link LC attempted to draw between bea and Rico -- see the portion of my case with all the emoticons.

Tell me what you think.

Well, you did bring it up. If you think it's dumb then why have you brought it up?

I don't think that your linking idea is as huge as you do. It's something. But we have pages and pages of sorsha and golden related content. Not to mention we have an FZ case on Russ that's gathering momentum. Do you think your linking case is more of a valid reason to lynch than any of the other three cases? You are assuming that Long Con didn't just do this to get a townie lynched after he dies?

8. Here we have MacD, again, hoping to sway 3J from his Ricochet case. Instead, wants 3J to focus on Sorsha (civvie) and Golden (civvie). Also brings up a case on Russ.

Per the underline - What does everyone think of this? It feels like he's really really super duper defending Ricochet here, while discussing his own scum teammate's motivations.

9.

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I read the entire thing as Jimmy getting to the end of his analysis and not having good obs on anyone and forcing himself to have a scum read to validate the whole project in his mind tbh.

I read the entire thing as Jimmy getting to the end of his analysis and not having good obs on anyone and forcing himself to have a scum read to validate the whole project in his mind tbh.

9. The above is how MacDougall would describe 3J's case on Ricochet. He basically disregards it as just 3J having no one else to look at.

10.

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Hmmm

I kind of want to lynch ricochet. The Talking Heads lyrics in every post looks like role responsibility and there is only one role in the game that isn't defined on page 1. Psycho Killer?

Here's a factual motivation, in case my own disclaimer (replicating my disclaimer in the D0 private thread, that K4J and Matt referenced - hence my ideas pre-dating any challenge or motivation) in the thread isn't trustworthy or doesn't cling genuine.

Hmm I didn't see that. You are winning in a landslide hahaha.

10. Here we have MacDougall "sussing" on Ricochet because of Talking Heads lyrics. Rico explains, and MacD says "oh I didn't see that". M'kay. Anyway, in case some of you don't know, this isn't the first time a scum has been seen talking about Rico and the contest...

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Sorry to see you go, BWT. Now Rico will just run away with the contest.

Indeed

11.

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Dear serial killer

Although we've never met before fate has intertwined our paths. I am sure this will be very bold of me but bare my straightforwardness. I have been having very clear indications that strawhenge/sig/epignosis/rico are scum. By scum I mean scum of the earth. Thugs of the lowest order that need to be exterminated in order for both of our factions to have a decent chance to win this game. Many people call you a serial killer but they are gravely mistaken. You are a white knight upholding justice. Just kill either of those four(or two if you have stacked kills) and make this world a better place.

PS: Cherish every moment, life is too small for being petty.
PS 2: Don't kill me.

Your beautiful and all knowing friend.
Little Chris.

!

Not only am I scum for you for allegedly chatting about the SK (feel free to refresh your scum read on me, if otherwise)

but you've just went from "talking about SK is scum"

to addressing the SK himself and asking for his "help"!

There is no vigilante in this game so I recoursed to the next available role. I didn't talk about the serial killer I asked from him to kill you. Did you see any theorizing on who the SK is? Thank you for proving me right.
Seriously if you're not a scum I'm willing to retire from playing mafia. Seriously you have my word for it.

Perhaps you can try making a case against rico and getting the rest of us to comply with it rather than asking the serial killer to target them and playing a retirement gambit over it.

That would be the expected behaviour anyway.

11. Here we have Choutas asking the SK to kill Rico (as well as three other players). Mac responds lecturing Choutas, asking him to build a case on Rico instead of asking the SK to kill him. Why wasn't scum MacDougall concerned with Choutas building a case on the other three players he named?

12.

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Imma watch Stop Making Sense in a bit...

I'm also presenting my Skittles Talking Heads version of a read spreadsheet. Skittles because the whole rainbow thing suddenly make me think of that and Talking Heads because hmm I wonder why...

	FZ	Will fight with understanding	A few aggressive demands, snappy lines and shooting down players' suspicions by invoking the "why would any baddie do that" viewpoint away from townreading her, but overall I'm feeling good about her.
	Zebra	I kinda like that style	Aside from getting a bit eyeballery lately, I stick to what I've said about feeling good about his activity.
	Mac	What's the matter with him? He's alright!	A two-Day hunt already against either removing low posters (his vote for rey D1) or removing undesirable ones (his seaside early D2 push) and his switch to Llama, with his thoughts on him dating way back on D1, raise me an eyebrow for now, otherwise I'd be lying if I'd deny that his activity doesn't give me an impressive town vibe.
	LC	I like this curious feeling	I sure hope he isn't "Scum Conning" and thus make me regret saying this later on, but I'm ok with his game so far. Whilst I'm not so confident it would have achieved the fishing results he desired, his bea gambit doesn't strike me as different from any baiting attempts players might try at this early stage; in fact, it's more developed than the usual bait & hook attempts I've seen. Some players are unnerved by how genuine his case seemed for a sec, but it doesn't give me the feel that it was anything but well developed.
	Roxy	She's gonna hold it, move it	Bantervotegate in the past, I see she moved to some mild, but serious thoughts, which read like regular Roxy to me so far.
	Bullzeye	Show me what you can do	No read until he's properly engaged.
	espers	Moon occults the sun
	Matt	I'm looking back	I really wouldn't mind hearing more from him on players' current activity, at least as much as he's making D0 connections
	Eloh	She must be having fun	Hardly involved so far - went for "selling" her vote D1 to the funniest poster (which was MacDougall), although she also mentioned a suss reason for Diiny which I'd like her to maybe elaborate further. That D1 caught-up-yet-not-adressing-anything post also pinged me a bit. Waiting to hear more from her, tough to discern right now if genuinely laidback or sidelining.
	Choutas	good kid, m.a.a.d city	Bit heavy on meta and such interpretations in his posts overall. On its own, if seaside will flip bad, I doubt a teammate would stick his neck for him so much - RYMers: is Choutas usually playful with this kind of thing? I've had no pings from him on Day 1 and still don't overall, although I'd say his D2 activity has dropped to slightly more wishy-washy posts and interactions.
	Sorsha	Who knows, who knows, what she's thinking	Some of her early thoughts (thinking sig "slipped", agreeing with B24 on BWT's vote) are pinging me, plus her BWT vote is clearly not stellar (but also seems like a typical sanction for BWT flip-flopping or something like that), but I don't get a strong read out of everything else. Her inquiry on LC's choice for baiting and her stance on not lynching players just for their undesirable status sound reasonable.
	motel	Who is it
	Epig	And the heat goes on	My initial feeling was also that Epig is quieter this game, but upon re-reading, that's not quite the case; furthermore, by saying he didn't step on anyone's toes yet, it still doesn't exclude the beef between FZ. and him having turned into that, as of right now. As far as I recall, when he goes quieter and players pick up on that, he always brings the argument that, technically, no one is ever satisfied with him, whether he's vocal and agressive or he suddenly cools it - and this particular discussion always reaches a sort of dead end, afterwards. The facts he brings in his rebuttals seem to check out and I don't think he was word-twisty with FZ, nonetheless I would once again stress that it wouldn't be unlike him to counter hard or to enjoy putting WIFOM or such up in the thread.
	JJJ	I got a question	I'll be perfectly honest, 9 out of 10 games, JJJ will probably disarm me with his posting volume and style; when civ, I can totally relate to it; if he's doing it as a baddie, it blinds me. That being said, his repeated questionings of what other players meant with their own suspicions did give me a slight ping, as if it's an added dimension to his inquiring that might come off as phony, since I don't recall it much in previous games. But not ready to rule on him.
	Golden	A big chief with a golden crown	My instinct has him right now at a status of not giving us enough as to feel like he's playing at his civviest. And it doesn't have anything to do with his RL hindrances or such; quite simply, out of all the big players, he gives me the feel of skating on the surface the most, currently. Furthermore, of all the players suspecting me, I'm still surprised, to say the least, of his meta-less interpretation of my defensiveness; granted, he's become more of an unfortunate spectator (i.e. getting lynched already, early on) by the time I heavily manifested these same traits in my recent previous games, still, I'd expect him to correlate this, instead of simply forwarding that my behaviour must be as plain as aggressively trying to turn the heat off me.
	sea	Cool down, stop acting crazy	His posts and reads up to his clarification/apologetic (?) statement seemed written whilst tripping balls, but now he appears to acknowledge them as such. Not sure I totally understand his "I wanted to get lynched" viewpoint (I mean, you'd still make us waste a lynch, regardless how beneficial you'd wish for your removal to be). His aversion to lurking it out (or to players doing that) is also interesting - I'd agree with some of the names he called out on (like RDW), but seeing as he dumped everyone else with minimal writing in there as well, I'll be curious to see if he keeps drumming on this policy lynching thing or develops his reads into much more in the upcoming days
	Llama	Facts are never what they seem to be	This gent has turned it very low on hunting (even for fishing purposes or on BS pings), which makes me just slightly curious if it's pure avoidance after his Recruitement debut where, as a pure-blood baddie, he BS'd everyone with one of his usual gambits. His hunch of K4J never being off'ed by a local also reminds me of how players filtered in Recruitement, after Typhoony was murdered N1, that a player who played before with him would never have done such a hideous deed (incidentally, it was Llama who killed Typhoony, but since he indeed had never played with him before, the "prediction" still came true). I wonder if it would be true in this case as well - aka an RYMer being K4J's murderer - or if Llama is just throwing such speculation in a cheeky way. Furthermore, it has to be noted that we're talking about a 7-member mafia that killed K4J; if Llama is really serious that no Syndicateer would agree to off K4J on the first Night, it's quite a strong and crazy supposition that the mafia team is strictly RYM comprised. I could technically lower him to a redder skittle for all of this, but I want to gather more info and reads on him before deciding whether to purse lynching him.
	bea	Same as she ever was	Little new input on D2, mostly on LC's "gambit". When LC announced his case on her was fake, she reacted in a playful manner, but since she returned during the Night, suddenly finding it odd that he would ever pick her. Perhaps an easy fine-tuning to the rest of the chorus that did not appreciate LC's moves? I don't think she understood too well my own suspicion on her either: I didn't imply she was steering the discussion into a "let's not give too much weight to D1 pings and such" direction, I said that I feel she pushed her credo ahead of any real activity and reads. Anyway, I still can't say that I trust bea much in this game, right now.
	rey	I'm not lost, but I don't know where I am	The more he stays in the game and plays nada, the more he'll give me the worst vibes, because of his Recruitement stunts. In Syndicate Mafia he subbed out when he (I assume) couldn't play anymore and I'm pretty sure he had a civ role there (although there's still some unresolved conflict around that particular issue), so why hold on to the role here? I mean no offence, but he should consider subbing here as well, if he's civ and can't play.
	Devin	Why, why, why, why start it over?	Not very focused posts and votes so far. Since he's repeating his votes so far (Diiny) I'd expect him to elaborate some more. That throwback post about how rey played as an SK, given that he more or less pulled the same card with a similar status, really doesn't sit well with me and gives me a bad vibe.
	MM	Takes a lot of time to push away the nonsense	Ugh. Getting tired of this feeling. I don't find that his posts have a lot of substance so far, he made his D1 vote based on "pingiest of pings" and has left today a vote adrift, because he'll go AWOL. What was his eyeballin' of Russ for, even? Russ said the Host warned him on participation requirements, not that anyone else via supposed BTSC did. Anyway, Marsh is being Marsh and whilst I probably need to take a break from being annoyed of Marsh being Marsh, I pretty much get nothing but bad vibes from him currently.
	RDW	Better ru- nah too easy	I guess we still need a Bass player, don't we? So far his posts seems like whole lotta waffling, with every major thought he came up with sounding more like a different culture mentality ("players should just post gut reads instead of elaborating"; "scum players would act tearjerky about the night victims" etc.) than some serious suss leads. At least in my view, of course.
	Floyd	...comes to town	Must be town. Seriously though, those ghost moves, I don't like them one bit.
	b24	Same as he ever was	AWOL since Day 1. My suspicion of him still stands.
	Wilgy	Doctor, doctor, tell me who you are	Until further development, same as I was saying. No me gusta his D1 vote.
	sig	Setting a bad example	Feeling much worse about him since the BWT vote, I still don't get what he meant by "them" in the context of HB being killed by one SK.
??????	Diiny	Flippy floppy	Holy shit, I was this close to green skittle him (just like on D1), until dat flip-flop on Wilgy.

12. Here we have Ricochet giving Mac and Long Con green skittles in his skittles read.

13.

Spoiler: show

Mac - this would be some major freaking 5 Michelin stars on-a-plate bussing and I don't have any pings on Mac to even begin suspecting such him performing such an in-our-face-ness; town until more flips influence any change in my perception of him

13. Here is Rico's second skittles read, giving Mac the green for good skittle.

14.

Spoiler: show

I won't pull the trigger on JJJ without having re-read him, which is not simply impossible. I respect him as a player, regardless of what it'll turn out that he tried to do in this game. If he's mafia, it'll be the juiciest and craftiest distancing from/bussing of a teammate I can think of. If he's good, he will have burned himself too much in that townread of MacBaddie - I got punished and mislynched for way softer looking defending, a few times. In a way, I can agree that we can't proceed too much in the game without clarifying this did-he-didn't-he matter, nonetheless I'm not going to choose in lack of having done any analysis. I have no objections to a Floyd lynch, but if JJJ is mafia, I can't take any chances to have contributed to his counterwagon succeeding, either.

14. Despite giving Floyd orange skittle reads all game, saying stuff like "Floyd is continuing down the WTF path", and even displaying a meme towards Floyd that said "Getting real tired of your bullshit", refused to vote for Floyd because of some weird counterlynch excuse. M'kay.

15.

Spoiler: show

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

But...he didn't vote for any teammates in this game.

15. Here is Ricochet's supposed "slip". Judging by everything else I just laid out, I believe it was a slip.

Serious peeps, next day phase, can we lynch the eff out of this guy?

Spoiler: show

Y'know, there's so much scum on Rico, I forgot to mention some of it during my big case. So much scum!!!

Spoiler: show

I'd like to ask the Hosts what RDW's status is and what's in store for him, it's a week since he last posted, so way beyond the 72-hour grace period.

Here we have Rico letting the host know that RDW (a civvie!!) is "so way beyond the 72-hour grace period", and he'd like to know "what's in store for him".

Now, later on, I would question why Rico is trying to get players mod-killed, and he would say he "was not trying to get players modkilled", but before I quote that fun conversation, let me bring this to your attention, this post which occurred after Rico essentially asking for a modkill and before Rico telling me that's NOT what he was doing...

Spoiler: show

rundontwalk has been modkilled for inactivity. He was Road to Nowhere.

Bye RDW. Bad civ role loss, dammit. I was hoping at least one of the mafioso would be a slacker worth modkilling.

M'kay. Now our convo about it...

Spoiler: show

Tbh, Rico, you continually asking MP to modkill non-players makes me increasingly suspicious. Didn't you call for rdw's modkill, and he was civvie?

Where did I ask the Hosts to modkill either espers or RDW? I asked for status clarification, under the Participation Score guidelines.

Lol

Seriously, this had me laughing but down to business...

You correcting me from "modkill" to "status clarification" is all well and good, but you've hardly defended the point. Why do you keep asking for status clarification if you're not trying to get them mod-killed?

Also, I seem to remember a certain Rico causing ties in the Day 0 thread.

Linki - The civvie killer hasn't killed once. Earlier I was thinking maybe that role went to HamburgerBoy.

I'm not correcting you, you said that I've "asked MP to modkill". That's literally defending myself against you, at best, misunderstanding what I did and, at worst, putting words in my mouth.

I can't get anyone modkilled, modkills don't happen at players' requests. People will get modkilled if they fail to meet the criterias.

I don't have any idea what connection there is between Day 0 and this subject. But if you insist, lemme just roll my sleeves, in case you really want to go over that thing again, for no reason except that you have it written in your notebook.

Anyway, also in my case, I forgot to lynch Rico's voting record...

Day 1 - Bea (civ)
Day 2 - Dr Wilgy
Day 3 - Golden (civ)
Day 4 - Devin (civ)
Day 5 - espers (civ)
Day 6 - MacDougall (bad - made a case on him...players who have played with Rico, does he buss his teamies?)
Day 7 - Choutas
Day 8 - Metalmarsh
Day 9 - sig (civ)

After nine day phases, has not repeated a single vote. Yet players accuse me of randomly pointing out bad guys. M'kay. It looks to me like Rico can't stick with a suspicion. Prolly cuz he has none since he's on dat Mafia.

C'mon peeps. Lynch him with me next day phase? Please?

Please note in that convo about RDW, Rico himself acknowledges he also asked the host "clarification" on espers (another civvie!!) status.

Lynch this man!

Linki - Lol at song lyrics. At least you can be funny when caught red handed. :P

[Matt]

Sonovabitch

[Ricochet]

Hear my voice, hear my voice, It's saying something and I hope you're concentrated.

[Matt]

Anywho, I've said my case.

Not reposting all that, I'd prolly mess it up again. This is way much more then "wild theories". This is in thread evidence at it's finest. I also apologize that 73% of my case is based off what the Mafia did...maybe next time ask your teammates not to defend you so much (LC, Mac) or tell the thread how super awesome your posts are (Black Rock).

[Ricochet]

Anywho, I've said my case.

Not reposting all that, I'd prolly mess it up again. This is way much more then "wild theories". This is in thread evidence at it's finest. I also apologize that 73% of my case is based off what the Mafia did...maybe next time ask your teammates not to defend you so much (LC, Mac) or tell the thread how super awesome your posts are (Black Rock).

Help us loose our minds.

[Matt]

From this point onwards, until I die or you come to your senses with your obstinate turd throwing and making apophenia tarts out of every single detail, you are receiving lyrics and nothing else.

linki: "Nervous backtracking" was really just the vibe you gave to me. A three paragraph response to something that was quite a flippant and unnecessary accusation reads like you are taking it more seriously than it deserves to be taken.

Not really. First reply I did was asking him where I said I "asked mods to modkill" and clarifying my statements.

I got a "lol" for that, after which I got a multiple-point serious second point. I addressed all of those points.

If you found Matt's accusation flippant and unnecessary, why don't you challenge it as such? I'm on the other end of such an accusation and when that happens, I'll defend myself.

Well I'm kind of killing two birds with one stone by just talking to you about it and ignoring the poop throwing monkey.

It's funny when multiple scum use the same language to describe me. Also, awesome that MacD called me that while having a convo with you, Rico.

[Ricochet]

From this point onwards, until I die or you come to your senses with your obstinate turd throwing and making apophenia tarts out of every single detail, you are receiving lyrics and nothing else.

linki: "Nervous backtracking" was really just the vibe you gave to me. A three paragraph response to something that was quite a flippant and unnecessary accusation reads like you are taking it more seriously than it deserves to be taken.

Not really. First reply I did was asking him where I said I "asked mods to modkill" and clarifying my statements.

I got a "lol" for that, after which I got a multiple-point serious second point. I addressed all of those points.

If you found Matt's accusation flippant and unnecessary, why don't you challenge it as such? I'm on the other end of such an accusation and when that happens, I'll defend myself.

Well I'm kind of killing two birds with one stone by just talking to you about it and ignoring the poop throwing monkey.

It's funny when multiple scum use the same language to describe me. Also, awesome that MacD called me that while having a convo with you, Rico.

I move it around a lot, but I don't care.

[Bullzeye]

There are a few other posts like this...

Bullzeye refuses to vote for Golden, because Bullzeye thinks Golden is a civilian. This is Day 3. Bullzeye replaced sanmateo Day 2 and had 27.5 pages to read. Why would Bullzeye think Golden is a civilian at this stage?

If you had read my posts you'd have seen the part where I abandoned catching up because it was pointless and would only make me further behind overall. I thought Golden was civ because I didn't think a baddie would be so pushy and coercive in trying to make people lynch him. That left me to think he had to be a civ. Therefore I didn't want him dead.

How did Bullzeye go from suspecting Golden on the same Day so quickly?

He was defending LC, which made me suspicious of him. Then he did his ridiculous self-outing thing and I decided I didn't think a baddie would act the way he was doing.

Yay, 2-ish pages is much easier to catch up on. Welcome to the game Fuzz, I don't envy your catchup at all. I will probably be changing my vote today, as I feel more reasonable about Sorsha. However I was going to move it to Epi until he came in being all genuine and making so much sense. He won't be getting my vote either. Nor will Golden. I don't know what game he's playing but it's ridiculous and disruptive and I don't see why a baddie would ever do such a thing so blatantly. I don't think he's bad and I won't take whatever bait he thinks he's thrown out there.

That is the only explanation offered. When bea gets lynched, Bullzeye mocks Golden:

So Golden's big scheme that we should've all gone along with or be considered suspicious was... to kill a civvie? Good work!

What does this mean?

What do you think it means? I have already explained why I said it: Golden, in my opinion, sacrificed a civ in order to gain status within the thread. I didn't find that to be something worthy of praise.

Why did Bullzeye answer this? As far as I can tell, he's the only one who did.

A question was asked. I saw it and answered it.

The Day MacDougall got lynched, Bullzeye was the sole voter for bcornett24.

Now this is something I want to emphasize: In my experience, when Bullzeye is called bad, his retorts can be caustic and nerve-wracking to the accuser. I went against him a few times and he breathed fire through the Internet.
Here, MacDougall has been calling Bullzeye bad, but Bullzeye just shrugged it off:

For the past few days I've barely been reading along because I haven't had time, I've been getting 2-3 hours a day of free time and I'd have to spend half of it catching up and the other half playing if I wanted to keep afloat in this game. I've been voting for my own suspects and often not even checking the poll before I do so.

I think everyone knows I'm easily frustrated. When I become frustrated, I have a tendency to snap at people. I'm sorry if this has traumatised anyone in the past. It is why I've tried to be more positive in the past two games. Breathing so much fire has done a real number on my throat. Generally you will note that I get annoyed when cases either make no sense or are incredibly flawed but people accept them anyway and ignore my defences, when someone has offended/upset me through their actions (Holy Grail), or when extenuating circumstances irl are adding to my stress (Flash - in which I was very ill and genuinely just wanted to be gone but a replacement couldn't be found. I dropped out of your Biblical game early due in part to the same illness). I don't just fly off the handle and start screaming and shouting at people for no reason.

I've not cared at all about Mac because all he was doing was flinging my name out with no substance. I basically ignored him. At one point I said I'd not seen a case on me worth taking seriously, he is one of the people I was referring to along with Golden and Cornett.

I reviewed your case on Bullzeye, Epi. I think you raise good points, particularly Bullzeye's awkward piggybacking of my Day 2 (?) beef with Golden. It's inconsistent with his prior stated civ read on Golden, and it also makes no sense for him to have the same mindset about Golden that I had when my mindset was completely based on my own interaction with Golden. Bullzeye can't exist inside my head.

Looking back I think I just meant the fact Golden had been defending LC. I was waffling a little perhaps. It also can't be inconsistent with something that hadn't happened yet. Opinions can change over time. I thought he looked bad and then he started trying to draw/force attention onto himself. As far as being tame towards Mac, I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat that I just didn't think he was worth taking seriously.

I have played with Bullz a number of times, and mainly when he's been a baddie, I believe. The one thing I remember well is that he gets HYPER defensive over relatively little things, and generally over defends himself and convinces everyone he's bad. Iirc he's had some pretty spectacular flameouts as a baddie.

I very much disagree with this summary of my character.

I have played with Bullz a number of times, and mainly when he's been a baddie, I believe. The one thing I remember well is that he gets HYPER defensive over relatively little things, and generally over defends himself and convinces everyone he's bad. Iirc he's had some pretty spectacular flameouts as a baddie.

Has he had any spectacular flameouts as a townie?

Harry Stephen Keeler rings a bell.

As you pointed out, I was bad in that game. Besides, I only got annoyed with Rabbit and that was for two reasons: He claimed I was lying about how busy I was and using uni as an excuse, and his entire case hinged on him making judgements of how I would act as if he knew me well when we'd played once together several years ago.

What do you make of Bullzeye being pretty subdued in his treatment of Mac, who accused him often?

It seems like a scumtell, especially considering the history behind Bullzeye as mafia.

Maybe I just don't want a reputation as being emotional and dramatic and overreacting to everything. Apparently that's too late though.

Flash was unconventional, but Bullzeye and I had a good back and forth (I was "bad", but I don't consider Flash a true Mafia game).

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 2&sr=posts

Last Man Standing was another unconventional one (again, not a true Mafia game), but:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 5&sr=posts

My point in all this is that Bullzeye seemed perfectly fine with MacDougall calling him bad.

That's unlike him if he's a civilian, from my experience.

LMS isn't a relevant example. It was last man standing. You were the biggest threat to me, since you'd decided to try to push my lynch. So I decided to try to get you killed. Cost both of us the game in the end.

If I'd have gone crazy at Mac for accusing me I'd have been accused of overreacting and being bad for caring about it. Because I didn't I'm being called bad for not doing it.

Flash was unconventional, but Bullzeye and I had a good back and forth (I was "bad", but I don't consider Flash a true Mafia game).

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 2&sr=posts

Last Man Standing was another unconventional one (again, not a true Mafia game), but:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 5&sr=posts

My point in all this is that Bullzeye seemed perfectly fine with MacDougall calling him bad.

That's unlike him if he's a civilian, from my experience.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 041#p87041

Monty Python. Here's a normal mafia game (closed setup). Bullzeye is mafia, and Long Con is his teammate. Long Con says Bullzeye is info-dumping, but Bullzeye "shrugs it off", even while he is heatedly calling Boogs a liar for his accusations.

Boogs is probably one of my closest mafia friends. He knows how much I hate infodumps and how they've ruined so many games for me. He still chose to pretty much out me as bad despite all that. At the time I also genuinely believed he was responsible for silencing me the same day he decided to come out with info. So I was very upset with him. Water under the bridge now but at the time I was hurt by his actions. The infodump LC suggested had happened was a genuine misunderstanding. As you'll probably remember, roles were revealed as they died in MP. I had been told the name of the role that silenced me one night. Bea(?) was later lynched and revealed as that role but the post must have taken a while to be updated with her abilities, I assumed it already had been since I didn't check because I knew already.

I'm not sure why I've even bothered with all this. I'm not bad, but my death probably wouldn't mean anything at all at this point. I'm going to be incredibly busy all week, I would be spending half of my free time just catching up if I tried to keep properly into this game. I don't want to die and I do want to play, but it's only going to get more difficult.

[Matt]

I think it's entirely fair to say that at this point anybody who has their vote on me is obvious scum, and anybody who has suggested that MattF is anything other than bewilderingly insane is also obvious scum.

So there is actually like a 15 player scum team.

You are all cum.

Took me awhile. But you're right, he didn't call me delusional. It was "bewilderingly insane". M'bad.

[Ricochet]

I think it's entirely fair to say that at this point anybody who has their vote on me is obvious scum, and anybody who has suggested that MattF is anything other than bewilderingly insane is also obvious scum.

So there is actually like a 15 player scum team.

You are all cum.

Took me awhile. But you're right, he didn't call me delusional. It was "bewilderingly insane". M'bad.

I guess I must be having fun.

[Matt]

Bullz is here! Bullz, look at my case on Rico. A lot different then my "wild theories", am I right?

[Bullzeye]

It certainly isn't wild. Or crazy. Some of it is even reasonable. I dunno how I feel about it personally though, I like and dislike it. I would have to think on it more to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

[Matt]

It certainly isn't wild. Or crazy. Some of it is even reasonable. I dunno how I feel about it personally though, I like and dislike it. I would have to think on it more to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

You're killin' me smalls.

[Bullzeye]

It certainly isn't wild. Or crazy. Some of it is even reasonable. I dunno how I feel about it personally though, I like and dislike it. I would have to think on it more to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

You're killin' me smalls.

Well, I mean, I know Crazy Matt very well. Sane Matt I'm not as familiar with. The fact I think your case isn't Crazy must mean something right? I expected you'd be happy that I don't think you're insane for a change.

[DrWilgy]

Chou... Chou... Where did you go?

You lost your wanking hand and now I miss you.

[DrWilgy]

Are my accusations on Chou "bad accusations" as he called it?

[Choutas]

Night 9 rainbow list

Epignosis
Metalmarsh89

JJJ
motel room

Strawhenge
bcornett24
Diiny
RadicalFuzz

DrWilgy
Ricochet(I am revisiting the first half of the game and how I viewed him as scum originally)
Matt F
Russtifinko

Bullzeye

I wasted around three or four hours rereading old posts. I feel so tired right now. Tomorrow I'll start explaining the orange and the red ones unless somehow I get to enjoy myself on a national holiday.

[Choutas]

Are my accusations on Chou "bad accusations" as he called it?

Way too tired to ball. Let's talk tomorrow k?

[Marmot]

Are my accusations on Chou "bad accusations" as he called it?

Way too tired to ball. Let's talk tomorrow k?

Yes! Someone from RYM can ball!

[Tangrowth]

About an hour and a half remaining to submit or alter your Night 9 actions!

Sloonei may be taking care of Night 9 since I may be out for a few hours, so as always be sure you PM all your actions and questions to both of us.

[Russtifinko]

JJJ, I'd agree with you that it looks somewhat bad. And I am pretty sure your perspective on this is obvious, since you voted for Fuzz yesterday. But I'd think that you of all people would be interested in when a candidate looks TOO bad. I mean, you're telling us you're civ, and you were neck deep in Mac defense.

In the case of those RadicalFuzz responses, which is it?

Sure, it isn't uncommon for someone to do something that looks so bad that it is a town tell. This is obviously dangerous WIFOM territory, but I've made reads like that before. I don't understand why you're making mention of this now though -- have I made an accusation in recent memory against a player that suits the notion of looking "too bad"? You've made an assertion that my content can be described in a specific way, but without specific examples you've said very little.

I was also a little surprised at you telling Rico you wouldn't IMMEDIATELY crucify him after today's result (implying that you might crucify him later if you didn't like his explanation). The past few days, I've felt like you're much more interested in finding easy people to lynch over yourself instead of finding baddies. You're still posting quality content, don't get me wrong, but it seems like you're picking on weaker targets and that you're going more with the flow of suspicions than you were before.

Yellow: This is, as I see it, common sense -- both my approach to Rico's lynch-deciding vote and your parenthetical implication. Yes, I am inclined to think things through before I raise my pitchfork and torch. Rico made a vote that can be perceived as less than ideal, and I prompted him to describe what brought him to make that vote. If I am to judge his vote fairly, he should have the opportunity to express himself. Moreover, this game has featured quite a lot of knee-jerk scumhunting and it's truly begun to grate on me. So I thought conveying a level head might promote a healthier discussion in general.

As for the parenthetical: if I don't like Rico's explanation then yes I would be more likely to take a harder stance against him. If I don't like anyone's explanation for anything I would be more likely to take a harder stance against them. Isn't that the whole point of this thing we do called Mafia?

Orange: This is quite an accusation to make. You're telling me that I am trying to press the easy button in my suspicions for the sake of my own survival -- but again you haven't given me an example that suits that accusation. Who are the weaker targets that I have picked on? What makes you call them "weaker"?

I don't think your accusation reflects my content. On Day 7, my vote was always going to end up on either Floyd or Seaside simply because of self-preservation, and I was too exasperated by being Public Enemy #1 to try to push a case myself (who would have followed me then anyway?). On Day 8, I engaged in a bunch of different discussions, voiced my suspicions as ever before, and ended up deciding the lynch with my vote -- Floyd over MM. That's not "going with the flow" -- that's shouldering a heavy load and taking responsibility for an action that'd significantly affect the game for better or for worse.

On Day 9, "going with the flow" is the complete opposite of what I did, and the fact that you make that observation now really strikes me as disingenuous. I couldn't have possibly "gone with the flow" when I pursued a RadicalFuzz lynch, because I built the case against him myself. I drove that train. I didn't openly oppose a sig lynch because he was also a suspect of mine, but I made it clear down to the final minutes of the day phase that I wanted to lynch Fuzz based upon my own analysis of his content. He wasn't an "easy target" either, because prior to Day 9 he was a near-consensus town read.

Now it's Night 9 and I still think Fuzz is an important player to be discussed. So I'm continuing that discussion. What else would you expect of me under the circumstances?

As for the first part, my impression was that you were trying to get RadicalFuzz lynched. Is that not the case? If not, I interpreted your intent wrong. I'm saying that, if you are trying to get Fuzz lynched, I'm wary because it seems too easy. Regarding the second part of the post, where I accused you of going after easy targets:

Based on your response, I think I worded the previous post too strongly. I should have made this more clear - I'm not saying there's a baddie motivation behind you going after easy targets. I still have a slight town read on you. I'm just saying that civs have 2 priorities: 1) stay alive and 2) get baddies, and I'm concerned you're focusing too much on #1 and not enough on #2.

Per the underlined, you admit you went with the flow Day 7 because of self-preservation. That's fair - you have to survive to win. Still fits my point, but if I'm being fair we should disregard it for these purposes.

It's true, on Day 8 you considered a number of people. sig and Fuzz were other notable ones you didn't mention in the post above. Again, I'm not arguing that your content has gotten worse. And you did cast the deciding vote to get a baddie in a lynch, so credit where credit's due.

I'd argue Floyd was an easy target, being new and quiet, but since he was bad I'm willing to throw out any argument about that. Yesterday you went after Fuzz when he said he'd be out of town, which I and someone else (who?) disagreed with. That's fine, if you think someone's baddie you vote for them, I get it. But yesterday (real time, not game time), you out out there that you're looking hard at Bullzeye....right after he says he's going away for a few days. And Fuzz is an easy target because his play looks atrocious. I'm saying, quite possibly too atrocious to be bad. Yes, you did build the case, but after he himself acknowledged that he looked bad, and after people (Again, who? Sorry I don't remember.) said that he always looks atrocious as civ. It's possible he really is that bad at being bad, and that people are wrong about his meta like you were about Mac's. Maybe all the baddies are actually being super obvious and relying on us thinking they'd be more clever to win. But I don't think that's the case, and I'm trying to convince you that looking less at very obvious stuff and more at subtler things has value.

The Rico thing to me just seemed lightly hypocritical. When you explain it, it sounds super reasonable, though.

Sonovabitch

Yeah, you can't embed spoilers in spoilers. It's a shame.

[Russtifinko]

Addendum to what I just wrote: Bullzeye, just like Fuzzy, said he was leaving and then came back unexpectedly?

[Matt]

Typically, looking at other current games doesn't interest me as far as finding evidence one way or another for someone's towniness or scumness, however I saw this post in Long Con's current game...

hello hello hello

'Ello governor, how are you?

awesome! Nice to meet you, Floyd.

...and thought "So either this clears the hell out of Fuzzy" or "Those baddies got some super scheming up their sleeve." Tbh, I could go with either.

Anyway, as I said, nothing can really be done besides speculate one way or the other, but I found that exchange interesting.

[Sloonei]

Friends, RYMers, Syndicats! The night is scheduled to end in about a half hour, but both MP and I will unavailable at that time and, rather than cut it short, I feel it would be more fair to extend the Night time a couple of hours until one of us has returned and can do what needs to be done.
We both sincerely apologize for the delay. Please continue to do your thangs, and enjoy some complimentary cocoa on the house.

[motel room]

I got pulled into a conference call during the lynch yesterday and then had a bunch of shit back to back. You know, in case anyone missed me.

[Matt]

I got pulled into a conference call during the lynch yesterday and then had a bunch of shit back to back. You know, in case anyone missed me.

[Ricochet]

[lyricsmodeoff]

Typically, looking at other current games doesn't interest me as far as finding evidence one way or another for someone's towniness or scumness, however I saw this post in Long Con's current game...

hello hello hello

'Ello governor, how are you?

awesome! Nice to meet you, Floyd.

...and thought "So either this clears the hell out of Fuzzy" or "Those baddies got some super scheming up their sleeve." Tbh, I could go with either.

Anyway, as I said, nothing can really be done besides speculate one way or the other, but I found that exchange interesting.

It is not customary to step outside the microcosm of a particular game and judge interactions happening in any other games as having any bearing to the possible interactions in this one. That is not what multiple games running at the same times are for on this website.

This, of course, should normally make sense to anyone who doesn't happen to be a paranoid nitpicking wordtwister wall, but just sayin'.

[/lyricsmodeoff]

[Matt]

Well, on the off chance it is super awesome scheming by baddies, then I would say it is relevant to our thread as well. Also, as I said, I can't recall a circumstance where I've reached into another game to do that, but the specific "nice to meet you" piqued my curiosity.

But I'm glad you're back to responding as opposed to ignoring the multi-point case against you by posting lyrics.

Let me ask you, if you weren't the suspect of that case, and we switched the name to someone else, what would you think of it? Not just any one point, either, but all of it as a whole. You're right, though, a lot of it is based on baddie behavior (and not yours), and I've yet to ISO you focusing on the other Mafia.

[Ricochet]

Well, on the off chance it is super awesome scheming by baddies, then I would say it is relevant to our thread as well. Also, as I said, I can't recall a circumstance where I've reached into another game to do that, but the specific "nice to meet you" piqued my curiosity.

But I'm glad you're back to responding as opposed to ignoring the multi-point case against you by posting lyrics.

Let me ask you, if you weren't the suspect of that case, and we switched the name to someone else, what would you think of it? Not just any one point, either, but all of it as a whole. You're right, though, a lot of it is based on baddie behavior (and not yours), and I've yet to ISO you focusing on the other Mafia.

Doctor, doctor, tell me what I am.

[Epignosis]

Matt, I'm going to level with you.

If you are a civilian, you stink.

You load the thread with inconsistent things. 3J and I are scum buddies yesterday and Rico's gotta be lynched next.

Bottom line:

No one takes you seriously.

There's a reason for that. You are all over the place.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I might be wrong, but I think it's against standard site rules to talk about one ongoing game within a different ongoing game. It certainly should be against the rules.

[Marmot]

No one takes you seriously.

That's not true. I pick and choose what I respond to and address.

Linki: you are spot on Jay.

[Epignosis]

No one takes you seriously.

That's not true. I pick and choose what I respond to and address.

/quote]

Do you take Matt F seriously?

[Marmot]

No one takes you seriously.

That's not true. I pick and choose what I respond to and address.

/quote]

Do you take Matt F seriously?

Yes and no.

Again, some of the things he posts are useful. Some of the things he posts are bonkers.

[Matt]

Matt, I'm going to level with you.

If you are a civilian, you stink.

You load the thread with inconsistent things. 3J and I are scum buddies yesterday and Rico's gotta be lynched next.

Bottom line:

No one takes you seriously.

There's a reason for that. You are all over the place.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple suspicions. Nothing at all, really. I've also spoken, frequently btw, on who I believe to be civvie or anti-mafia in this game, it isn't simply pointing fingers. Who do you find suspicious, Epignosis? Do you have any ideas or do you just plan on tearing people down who do?

Speaking of inconsistent, what do you make of Ricochet's nine different votes in nine different day phases? Is that consistent in your eyes?

However, I do keep coming back to these two posts (and I haven't bothered to post it yet because it is a really far off theory), but since you labeled me inconsistent, I feel like I should share what I've been thinking here...

It also makes JJJ extremely unlikely to be scum since he was pushing the shit out of it.

And 3J keeps stressing how civilian you are.

I noticed that, too.

I guess that makes you guys literate. Congrats.

You cracked the case guys. Jimmy has been publicly orchestrating town lynches on purpose while maintaining a vocal town read on a teammate and we both bussed Long Con on day 2 because he asked us to.

Or we are both townies who have a town read on each other and both had a scum read on a scum player.

And in a twist of fate you two are our teammates.

Now in these posts, you and Ricochet are "noticing how much 3J has painted Mac town". Then later MacD jokes "you cracked the case blah blah blah and in a twist of fate you two are our teammates."

Usually this could just be taken with a grain of salt, but let's not forget way earlier in the game, MacDougall and his scum friend Long Con could be seen talking about Long Con's role and LC making that comment about "only this role and their teammates know about this role", while openly discussing it with his teammate.

So yes, even if YOU don't like it Epig, my suspicions on who are bad are staying consistent. Right now I like the three of you a lot better then I like motel room or strawhenge (or any other suspish I've had this game).

What do you make of Rico's voting record? What do you make of the rest of the case I laid out?

Linki - 3J - If you think I've broken a rule, I suggest you ask the host either in PM or through the thread, but I assure you, I've done my homework.

[Epignosis]

Matt, I'm going to level with you.

If you are a civilian, you stink.

You load the thread with inconsistent things. 3J and I are scum buddies yesterday and Rico's gotta be lynched next.

Bottom line:

No one takes you seriously.

There's a reason for that. You are all over the place.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple suspicions. Nothing at all, really. I've also spoken, frequently btw, on who I believe to be civvie or anti-mafia in this game, it isn't simply pointing fingers. Who do you find suspicious, Epignosis? Do you have any ideas or do you just plan on tearing people down who do?

I don't care about multiple suspicions. But you are all over the place.

I've expressed my ideas in a concise manner. I have helped lynch two Mafia. You have accused damned near everybody with OMG GUYS LYNCH HIM TOMORROW KTHKS BAI

It's not helpful.

Stop doing it.

Look at the evidence and decide who is bad based on that. You look embarrassing- I know I'm not taking what you have to say seriously.

I said a long time ago why I don't think Rico is Mafia. Your big ass "case" convinces me none. Look at what *I* said, and then make up your mind. Start listening. You talk to goddamn much.

[Epignosis]

So yes, even if YOU don't like it Epig, my suspicions on who are bad are staying consistent.

Tell that one again. You'll be famous.

[Matt]

I do spitball quite frequently and I apologize if that upsets you.

As you have seen, btw, whenever I do post a "Let's lynch this person, guys!", it doesn't work out. I wanted MacDougall Day 5, we lynched espers instead. Wanted Floyd Day 7, we lynched seaside. I did want Sorsha for several days, and I do apologize for that one, but even then, I doubt it was because I asked for it. So in that regard, what is your problem with it? It's not as if I'm leading lynches here and getting civilians killed. That was you on Day 7 when 3J was pretty much done for, and you started the train on seaside.

[Epignosis]

I do spitball quite frequently and I apologize if that upsets you.

As you have seen, btw, whenever I do post a "Let's lynch this person, guys!", it doesn't work out. I wanted MacDougall Day 5, we lynched espers instead. Wanted Floyd Day 7, we lynched seaside. I did want Sorsha for several days, and I do apologize for that one, but even then, I doubt it was because I asked for it. So in that regard, what is your problem with it? It's not as if I'm leading lynches here and getting civilians killed. That was you on Day 7 when 3J was pretty much done for, and you started the train on seaside.

Uh, no.

I wanted MacDougall.

Eloh wanted MacDougall.

You wanted espers.

MacDougall
2
Elohcin (19), Epignosis (21) 6%

espers
8
Russtifinko (18), motel room (20), JaggedJimmyJay (22), RadicalFuzz (23), Metalmarsh89 (30), Diiny (31), Ricochet (32), Matt F (34) 24%

Don't give me that shit. If you want a guy's head VOTE FOR HIM AND NO ONE ELSE.

[Matt]

I had my vote on Mac all day, and when I got home from work, I switched my vote, in fact I asked several players who they thought I should switch to because I wanted to have an impact on the outcome and wasn't sure which was the better of the leading candidates, when 3J says to me "If you trust me, vote espers". I still don't know what that means, "if you trust me", I guess he knew something but it didn't quite work out?

Anyway, yeah, I wanted Mac all day that day, I came home and it wasn't happening, so I wanted to make a difference in the last few minutes. Sorry I don't hide my votes where it won't count and I can sit there looking safe.

[Russtifinko]

I have helped lynch two Mafia.

Much better! Thanks! :cheers:

[DrWilgy]

Are my accusations on Chou "bad accusations" as he called it?

Way too tired to ball. Let's talk tomorrow k?

OH GOD WHY SET DEATH FLAGS!?!?!

Chou that's like saying "I'll marry her when I get back from the war."

But sure let's talk it over then.