STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[DharmaHelper]

If everyone votes I can end the poll and get the game going.

[TheFloyd73]

HOST NOTE: With American Thanksgiving coming up, it is extremely likely there will be an extension/delay during that phase. For my convenience, please let me know if this will be an issue.

You Americans and your Thanksgivings!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

Well I got someone to start baddie hunting, so I guess it was successful in that sense at least.

Well I like to discuss tactics. Not the first game I've done that. In any case, I have no intention of using such methods as failproof evidence of anyone being mafia, while ignoring other evidence. I just want to have them in mind in case we need to use them later, or maybe help people have their own ideas on how we can use the game mechanics to find mafia.

[Enrique]

What day is Thanksgiving? Is it this Sunday? That's the one that's always on a Sunday right?

[DharmaHelper]

Polls

[Dragon D. Luffy]

No thanksgiving where I live, so it doesn't matter either way.

[DharmaHelper]

What day is Thanksgiving? Is it this Sunday? That's the one that's always on a Sunday right?

Thursday the 26th

[Enrique]

Oh. I was way off. Thank you DH.

[Luke11646]

HOST NOTE: With American Thanksgiving coming up, it is extremely likely there will be an extension/delay during that phase. For my convenience, please let me know if this will be an issue.

You Americans and your Thanksgivings!

Wow, isn't that nice Floyd,

[a2thezebra]

That's it for the poll.

[Marmot]

The hosts don't count.

[DharmaHelper]

[DharmaHelper]

[DharmaHelper]

Episode I: The Girl With The Dragon Tatooine

DharmaHelper pressed the pause button on the DVD player just as Admiral Ackbar was about to reveal the location of their next mission.

“Wait, this is all wrong. There aren’t any Bothans in the original trilogy! Where did you find this thing Epi?” He turned to face Epignosis, who was lounging on a chair and sipping a mint julip.
“Some guy sold it to me on the street for a really good price, ok?”
“Well if we’re going to show MovingPictures07 what he’s missing we can’t show him this stuff, this isn’t Star Wars!”
DharmaHelper threw the remote to the floor in frustration, and stormed off. He’d asked several of his friends over to his home theatre to finally show MovingPictures07 the Star Wars films (the original trilogy, naturally). Epignosis’ bootleg shenanigans had ruined everything. After a few moments of awkward silence, MovingPictures07 picked up the remote and sighed.
“Well I thought that was pretty cool! I wanna see what happens next. Star Wars rules!” he exclaimed, pressing play on the remote.

“….Tatooine.’ finished Ackbar. And so it was.

It is now Day 1 on Tatooine
While you are on Tatooine, you have the option of selling your vote for credits. The sale of votes will be handled through the hosts. If you would like to sell your vote, please contact BOTH hosts. If your vote is purchased, you will receive a message from your host with the amount of credits you have received. You will be on Tatooine for 2 phases, and can sell your vote for either of those phases.

[Tangrowth]

Nice host post, DH.

[DharmaHelper]

Day 1 will last 48 Hours from this post. The poll is being dumb so GG

[Tangrowth]

Is there any reason the poll is mostly alphabetical? :P

[Tangrowth]

Also, I think Dom and DFaraday are on the same line, just so you know.

[Golden]

Also, I think Dom and DFaraday are on the same line, just so you know.

Epi would tell us two lynches are more in the towns interest than one, so I guess we should vote for DomDfaraday

[DharmaHelper]

Hey I'm trying here. DONT VOTE YET

[Tangrowth]

No worries, DH, take your time.

[a2thezebra]

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

Well I got someone to start baddie hunting, so I guess it was successful in that sense at least.

Well I like to discuss tactics. Not the first game I've done that. In any case, I have no intention of using such methods as failproof evidence of anyone being mafia, while ignoring other evidence. I just want to have them in mind in case we need to use them later, or maybe help people have their own ideas on how we can use the game mechanics to find mafia.

I get what you're saying DDL, and I appreciate your efforts to look for certain strategies (assuming these efforts are genuine, but I'll get to that in a bit), but I don't think I fully understand your logic here.

I'm sure there would be plenty of civs as well as baddies who would avoid voting rather than risk being the last vote, so I'm not sure how that would make a player suspicious. Placing their own interests ahead of the town, sure, but not baddie per se.

Well I'm assuming the empire mafia knows what the planet is going to be destroyed is, so that means they wouldn't have to worry about being the last ones to vote in the other phases, but would have to worry in that specific phase where the planet explodes. I'm speculating that we could try to find that pattern. Of course there would be other players avoiding voting last, so it wouldn't be a conclusive evidence.

Of course, now that I've said that, they could also worry about it in every single phase just to attempt to mask the pattrn. Then again, if I get mafiosos to play in a non-optimal way just to avoid being found, that's a profit.

I love metagaming.

I agree with DFaraday. But more importantly, how would we able to find a pattern? What pattern? Assuming you're right and the empire knows which planet will be destroyed (which I wouldn't be too sure that that assumption is correct) that only means, as you said, they would only have to be cautious with that particular planet. One planet. So where's the pattern we're looking for? And you seem to be tip-toeing a bit here with your reasoning. Proposing a method of finding baddies only to follow it up with "so it wouldn't be conclusive evidence" makes me wonder why bring up that potential tactic in the first place? It seems like you're just saying things like this to appear as if you're contributing. And you make it worse by excusing that this imaginary pattern could be copied for each phase, so again, what's the point? And finally, how would you, and you mention you specifically rather than town as a whole, (why?) be able to get mafiosos to play in an unorthodox way to be spotted? Or am I simply misunderstanding your reasoning here? Please help me out here. Finally, to return to the original post:

Not the first game I've done that.

I'm not a fan of players hiding behind their meta especially in response to slight pings. Consider me slightly pinged as well.

[Marmot]

Votes are not changeable in this poll.

[a2thezebra]

Nice host post, DH.

I second that. It's as if George Lucas has edited a version of Star Wars that strays from the original theatrical cut even further. :P

[Matt]

Why are we being mean to Dragon? He voted Death Star

[DharmaHelper]

I think I fixed it.

HOST NOTE: Since I've gotten a few questions already:

1. If you sell your vote, you MUST still vote in the poll, but it just won't count.
2. If you sell your vote, I'm the one buying them, and I will give you an amount of credits that I see as fair. You will definitely be well compensated.
3. This is one of several events designed to boost your credit amount for later in the game. Hint, Hint.

[DharmaHelper]

God damnit I forgot a host option again.

[a2thezebra]

Why are we being mean to Dragon? He voted Death Star

You're taking this Death Star enthusiasm to an uncomfortable extreme, Matt. Are you saying everyone who voted for the Death Star should be ignored when they appear suspicious?

[DharmaHelper]

Poll is sorted. If you voted before this post, revote.

[a2thezebra]

I sure hope no one has voted yet considering the votes are unchangeable.

[DharmaHelper]

Nice host post, DH.

I second that. It's as if George Lucas has edited a version of Star Wars that strays from the original theatrical cut even further. :P

[DharmaHelper]

As one final note, Epignosis is the financial expert among the two of us so please copy both hosts in your PMs if you are selling your vote.

[a2thezebra]

Also, I think Dom and DFaraday are on the same line, just so you know.

They still are actually.

[DharmaHelper]

Should be all good. Man I'm tired.

[Ricochet]

Can I vote now oh wait nvmd

[a2thezebra]

[DharmaHelper]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

[Ricochet]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

I think I know what you're talking about, there's one that does the same for me - alphabetizes partially, goofs the rest for unclear reasons.

[DharmaHelper]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

I think I know what you're talking about, there's one that does the same for me - alphabetizes partially, goofs the rest for unclear reasons.

I think its treating lowercase letters as lower priority. Dumb.

[Marmot]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

If it's easier for you, you can just alphabetize the letter of my name instead of my full name.

[Matt]

Why are we being mean to Dragon? He voted Death Star

You're taking this Death Star enthusiasm to an uncomfortable extreme, Matt. Are you saying everyone who voted for the Death Star should be ignored when they appear suspicious?

Uncomfortable extreme? C'mon, I was just havin' a little fun Zeebs.

[DharmaHelper]

I'll have it sorted for the next poll guys no worries.

[DharmaHelper]

Last note before bed: Epignosis will be contacting those of you who voted Day 0 with a reward.

[Golden]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

If it's easier for you, you can just alphabetize the letter of my name instead of my full name.

89aaehlmmrst?

[Marmot]

I will "Fully alphabetize" the next one. I ran the players list through an online alphabetizer and it goofed I guess so whatever you guys know who is who.

If it's easier for you, you can just alphabetize the letter of my name instead of my full name.

89aaehlmmrst?

That's the one!

[DrWilgy]

Does that mean it's day 1 yet?

[Epignosis]

We're still on Tatooine. Tatooine works this way:

1. If you wish to sell your vote, PM both hosts and state your minimum asking price.
2. If you wish to buy someone's vote, PM both the hosts and state what you are willing to pay and whom you want the seller to vote.
3. If your vote is sold, I will tell you ASAP the name you have to vote to be paid. Vote that way and earn money.

All of this must happen during the Night phase. If your vote is purchased, you will be informed early in the Day phase that your vote has been bought and you will be told the person you must vote to be paid.

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Lando Calrissian is accepting bids for his Day 2 vote. PM the hosts with your offers.

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Boba Fett is dead and is therefore only accepting Sarlacc digestive enzymes. A pity.

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The Jawas have an item for sale. Give me a chance to find out what that item is, and as soon as I know, you can bid on it during the Night.

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If you voted in the lynch poll, you got 10 more credits.

Please keep up with your credits; however, if you need a reminder, let me know privately.

[Russtifinko]

Dammit, I forgot to actually vote in Day 0.

[Russtifinko]

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

Well I got someone to start baddie hunting, so I guess it was successful in that sense at least.

Well I like to discuss tactics. Not the first game I've done that. In any case, I have no intention of using such methods as failproof evidence of anyone being mafia, while ignoring other evidence. I just want to have them in mind in case we need to use them later, or maybe help people have their own ideas on how we can use the game mechanics to find mafia.

I get what you're saying DDL, and I appreciate your efforts to look for certain strategies (assuming these efforts are genuine, but I'll get to that in a bit), but I don't think I fully understand your logic here.

I'm sure there would be plenty of civs as well as baddies who would avoid voting rather than risk being the last vote, so I'm not sure how that would make a player suspicious. Placing their own interests ahead of the town, sure, but not baddie per se.

Well I'm assuming the empire mafia knows what the planet is going to be destroyed is, so that means they wouldn't have to worry about being the last ones to vote in the other phases, but would have to worry in that specific phase where the planet explodes. I'm speculating that we could try to find that pattern. Of course there would be other players avoiding voting last, so it wouldn't be a conclusive evidence.

Of course, now that I've said that, they could also worry about it in every single phase just to attempt to mask the pattrn. Then again, if I get mafiosos to play in a non-optimal way just to avoid being found, that's a profit.

I love metagaming.

I agree with DFaraday. But more importantly, how would we able to find a pattern? What pattern? Assuming you're right and the empire knows which planet will be destroyed (which I wouldn't be too sure that that assumption is correct) that only means, as you said, they would only have to be cautious with that particular planet. One planet. So where's the pattern we're looking for? And you seem to be tip-toeing a bit here with your reasoning. Proposing a method of finding baddies only to follow it up with "so it wouldn't be conclusive evidence" makes me wonder why bring up that potential tactic in the first place? It seems like you're just saying things like this to appear as if you're contributing. And you make it worse by excusing that this imaginary pattern could be copied for each phase, so again, what's the point? And finally, how would you, and you mention you specifically rather than town as a whole, (why?) be able to get mafiosos to play in an unorthodox way to be spotted? Or am I simply misunderstanding your reasoning here? Please help me out here. Finally, to return to the original post:

Not the first game I've done that.

I'm not a fan of players hiding behind their meta especially in response to slight pings. Consider me slightly pinged as well.

zebra, I'm actually NOT pinged by DDL's logic here. He's right - if Tarkin chose one planet that gets blown up, the baddies know which one it is, so you can be damned sure they'll avoid voting last at that planet and only that planet. The rest of us will try not to vote last on EVERY planet. So if DDL hadn't said anything, we could've looked hindsight to see if anyone who normally votes late voted early on the day the planet blew up.

What pinged me was that he blew this angle by explaining it, and then went hyper-meta with it. And I'm also slightly pinged that you were so quick to join me here, but with a different point.

[a2thezebra]