STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[DharmaHelper]

This is the only time you will receive any hints about the Alderaan event(s).

This poll, and any future Alderaan poll, is not likely to have an effect on any inactive players if that is who you choose to vote for.

[MacDougall]

Thanks for that ISO Zebs... saving me some trouble!

[Sorsha]

Ok zebra.... Gimme the tl;dr of that big ass post.

@sig- Maybe! Once I decide who the other 4 to vote for will be... And if this poll is for good stuffs or not.

Maybe if we find a group of five and we can all vote for each other? hopefully the poll is for something good!

[Marmot]

Thanks DH. I like the names in alphabetical order.

[Golden]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

[a2thezebra]

Ok zebra.... Gimme the tl;dr of that big ass post.

I have almost no hard conclusions from it, so I can't even if I wanted to. In any case I think you should see for yourself and help me out if you wish.

[MacDougall]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Your paranoid theory makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[Golden]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Your paranoid theory makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

I'm not sure if you agree with my theory or if you're flirting with me...

[a2thezebra]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

[Sorsha]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I think Simon and eloh are on the same team, not sure how that would fit with your theory.

First five people to vote for me get a vote back, if they want it.

[MacDougall]

Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

[MacDougall]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I think Simon and eloh are on the same team, not sure how that would fit with your theory.

First five people to vote for me get a vote back, if they want it.

Okay why do you think Simon and Eloh are on the same team?

[Golden]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

Day two lynch poll (look at the votes on bass and enrique), bcornett's sudden switch to supporting an enrique lynch without any background cause as per your iso... he can vote enrique when enrique and simon can still vote bcornett. Even if enrique goes down BC looks good.

[Sorsha]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I think Simon and eloh are on the same team, not sure how that would fit with your theory.

First five people to vote for me get a vote back, if they want it.

Okay why do you think Simon and Eloh are on the same team?

Because I don't think an 8 year old has the capacity to play a game like this solo.

[Golden]

He has epi to help him if need be, though, and I trust epi to be able to do that completely fairly.

[MacDougall]

yo whatdafup

shit i'm late. ok so to answer you mp...

i dont have a strong read on zebra one way or another, she just seems like herself and i havent learned to tell her civ and bad games apart. some of her perspective i can understand, some less so. i dont think she should be lynched today.

sig? well, pretty much what i've said before. his game reminds me a LOT of matt who was my teammate in pet sounds. the same way theyre kinda there but mostly just reiterating opinions and asking questions. im not super familiar with his playstyle, but its reading bad to me.

and SPEAKING OF PET SOUNDS. i dont think we should lynch bc either, because this feels SO MUCH like why we lynched him on pet sounds. ofc my baddie team was taking advantage of him then, and we basically jumped at the chance of accusing him of being too harsh on a low poster (which sure got the crowd going). this feels like the exact same. just replace luke with bubbles.

out of the three of us (zeeb bc me) id sooner vote bc, but i still think roxy or even sig are the better options. id also take glorfindel over any of us three, but i feel maybe the way he plays is just the way he plays and it doesnt necessarily make him bad. its peculiar for sure.

Is this the post of a bcornett sympathiser?

[Golden]

Oh yeah, that post too.

[a2thezebra]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

Day two lynch poll (look at the votes on bass and enrique), bcornett's sudden switch to supporting an enrique lynch without any background cause as per your iso... he can vote enrique when enrique and simon can still vote bcornett. Even if enrique goes down BC looks good.

Huh.

linki - It does, Mac. Die wanna wanga, Enrique?

[MacDougall]

Do let's!

Rainbow list maybe?

Hell no

There are far too many people for that, and that's not how the tentacled one rolls--err, swims? Splashes? I do, however, have my suspicions. I'll start with this:

I'm here-ish, ninja.

I would like to get a sense of who you are most suspicious of, and particularly your view on the more popular suspects like zebra, bcornett, russti, glorfindel, enrique, bubbles...

As much as I feel I've read, I kinda can't believe it's still only Day 3, and what makes reading people more difficult is not having much of a vote record to go off of, seeing as we've lynched an indy and a civ. My reads, therefore, are almost exclusively tone-based, which is still a helpful marker in baddie-hunting, I suppose (although I much prefer the logic of vote analysis, as I found in BoB and Frisky Dingo).

Zebra, as far as gameplay goes, still looks pretty good to me. Not much of an opinion change since the last time I looked at her. I understand she's taking heat for Bass' flipping civ, but my gut and read still says "good."

Russ is disengaged as hell because he seems to be busy with traveling. His vote patterns and "tone" (if drive-by posting can be read for tone) are consistent with this. Neutral. Enrique discusses the possibility of his being indy, but then he makes a lot of other assumptions regarding the sand people that just...well, even if they did connect, why focus on him? I suppose Enrique has reason to do so, if he believes he's been poisoned, but for the civs as a whole, I believe MM made the point that we have 8 baddies to find, which seems a lot more pressing.

I have not liked Glorfindel's responses to what I believed to be a pretty good case on him from MM (I even tabbed it for response! Whee!), as well as others responding to and agreeing with the suspicions. I found them to be very dismissive instead of actually engaging in discussion, which I've found is usually a mafia tactic (although I said the same for Bass, and look what happened...). Leaning baddie here.

Enrique's responses and discussion today with Zebra have me thinking he's civ, and frustrated at that (at least yesterday/last night/whenever their interactions occurred). My suspicion last phase, I admit, was tenuous, due to lack of focus and participation. I don't plan to vote that way.

Bubbles looks like Bubbles, and I straight up didn't even realize she was playing until this last read-through when she garnered some reactionary posts to her vote. Her participation is wayyyyy down, but there's no read from me for that (3 posts?). Is it Bubbles that actively proclaims hating being mafia? I can't remember. (That's a real question, by the way.) Anyway, there were two reactions I noticed more than anything: Zebra's and bcornett's. Zebra's reaction read to me like, "Hey, post more, you low poster!" while bcornett's reaction was to latch on to a "suspicion" of her as fast as possible:

voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

You have exactly three posts, come in drop a vote and leave...you deserve to be lynched. This is the type of behavior that contributes to town loses.

Based on your tone, you aren't going to be around again anytime soon. I don't like this.

I didn't like this jump, either. Regardless of participation level, a civ is a civ is a civ. Yes, low participation is not helpful to the civ cause, but it's a body in our corner. This looks opportunistic to the max. Golden, you already said it well in your response to him (also had that tabbed!), so I'll just say I agree with you, both on this point and on what his behavior's been like throughout the game.

So, at this point, I'm most likely to vote bcornett.

Whew! And I'm still alive and kickin'! I've spent far too much time here today, but I'll stick around for a bit more. Yay real time!

Linki - DAMN YOU ALL AND YOUR LINKI NOW LET ME POST

Okay so like Niju is definitely not a Hutt.

[a2thezebra]

*It is

[sig]

Sounds good I'll be voting MM since he voted me the rest are open slots.

So Simon came in last minute and attempted to save bcornett24, this would have worked if MM hadn't have voted. This makes me thing a Simon lynch could work tomorrow thoughts on this, he also voted for Bass over Enrique causing the Bass lynch.

I'll ISO bcornett24 myself later, though I think Zebra mainly covered it all.

linki: I think Simon could be mafia as I said above mainly since he voted to save Bcornett, and almost did. He also voted and saved Enrique and causing the Bass lynch.
I'm thinking right know at the very least Enrique is on bcornett's team, but a good chance Simon is to.

[Sorsha]

Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

Huh?

Do you want my vote in the poll?

[Enrique]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

Simon saved me last time. I'm thankful and all, but he's still a pretty good bet for tomorrow.

Yes, Mac, that's me being very clear about not thinking BC is bad. So much for that.

@sim: weird, I don't remember saying either of those things. My views aren't usually so black and white on anyone.

linki- yo what how does connecting me with simon make me a likelier teammate than... you know, simon?

[MacDougall]

Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

I'm rather confused why the focus of the conversation happens to be on the 2nd statement russ made here and not the first. I would encourage everybody to read the statement in red. To me this comes across as a scum hunting for third party players (or vise-versa).

I find this to be a very anti-town statement. What does everybody else think?

The fact that bcornett's above post has now been revealed to be literally written by Jabba, makes the follow up post very interesting...

It struck me as pretty odd too. Like, wouldn't it stand to reason that (as somebody pointed out to me earlier) that Jabba would benefit from going to his own lair? I mean, we're just going to a planet, that doesn't mean we'll suddenly find out everything about Team Jabba.

I'm also not really caught up with the thread and I apologize. Shitty day. I'll make an effort tomorrow to get up to speed.

Ho ho ho ho

[a2thezebra]

Hey Enrique

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Simon makes sense, but why Enrique?

Day two lynch poll (look at the votes on bass and enrique), bcornett's sudden switch to supporting an enrique lynch without any background cause as per your iso... he can vote enrique when enrique and simon can still vote bcornett. Even if enrique goes down BC looks good.

[MacDougall]

Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

Huh?

Do you want my vote in the poll?

I don't want it, I don't not want it. I don't really mind. I'm going by the assumption that it's a challenge to attempt to identify the indy roles.

[sig]

Ugh I goofed and voted for only two people, can I add more?

Either way Sorsha I voted for you.

[a2thezebra]

Mac you are on FIRE.

[Marmot]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I think Simon and eloh are on the same team, not sure how that would fit with your theory.

First five people to vote for me get a vote back, if they want it.

Okay why do you think Simon and Eloh are on the same team?

Because I don't think an 8 year old has the capacity to play a game like this solo.

One could argue he's just following his mother's vote.

Still, this is the first time it's happened, as in he voted his own way on Days 1 and 2.

[Enrique]

It's a completely logical point. I agreed with BC several times over this game. Gimme some credit I'm not gonna shadow my team like that.

linki- zeeb this is all stuff other players did, what do you want me to say? ill gladly lead the charge against simon if thats what it takes to clear my name dont fucking vote for me when i have +3 thats just rude

[Marmot]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

[a2thezebra]

It's a completely logical point. I agreed with BC several times over this game. Gimme some credit I'm not gonna shadow my team like that.

linki- zeeb this is all stuff other players did, what do you want me to say? ill gladly lead the charge against simon if thats what it takes to clear my name dont fucking vote for me when i have +3 thats just rude

Tsk tsk

[a2thezebra]

I haven't even said anything about voting for you yet Enrique, it's not even Day 4. :P

[Sorsha]

Ugh I goofed and voted for only two people, can I add more?

Either way Sorsha I voted for you.

You'll get one of mine once I'm done deciding who else to vote for.

[MacDougall]

It's a completely logical point. I agreed with BC several times over this game. Gimme some credit I'm not gonna shadow my team like that.

linki- zeeb this is all stuff other players did, what do you want me to say? ill gladly lead the charge against simon if thats what it takes to clear my name dont fucking vote for me when i have +3 thats just rude

It's not the fact that it's illogical. It's the fact that you were involved in the discourse. It was a very specific point that in hindsight came from the mind of a Hutt. You having agreed with it and nobody else having their mind on that conversation makes me think that there was a really important reason that bcornett started throwing shade at Russ for it, and you backing him makes me feel like you are his mate and know what he knows.

Enrique my dude. If you recall I got pinged by you early on day 1. Lots of players have now pointed out reasons to suspect you. Shit is just stacking up against you my friend. You better put your civ skates on and find us a reason not to lynch yo ass because you goin down tomorrow son. Just lashing out won't stop it. Find some badders.

linki: @metalmarsh ... well that's extremely interesting and deflates a lot of the case.

[Golden]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

[MacDougall]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh forget me

[sig]

We could vote for Simon tomorrow and while that wouldn't be bad I'd rather vote for Enrique. I think mac brought up some good posts, but also enrique seems like he is trying to guilt us not to vote for him since he was poisoned, first off he might not have been poisoned and second even if he is it doesn't stop his suspicious behavior.

[MacDougall]

Let's not go easy on Simon. Any 8 year old whose parents are confident can play a game of forums mafia with adults must be capable. I trust his parents wouldn't feed him to the sharks. Don't underestimate kids these days man, most of them are smarter than us. I have a 4 year old who has the social nous of my 14 year old self.

[MacDougall]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Dude how does your mind work backwards like that. That is some very exceptional deduction!

[Enrique]

I haven't even said anything about voting for you yet Enrique, it's not even Day 4. :P

Here we go again like I can't read between the lines.

linki- also a reminder that bass got lynched at random? im cursed ffs nobody else knew that

linki2- sig i dont get you. you connect me to simon, not bc, then connect simon to bc. but then you think you should lynch ME because of that?? thats some faulty logic

[Marmot]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Interesting. That's one part I didn't notice.

[Enrique]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Dude how does your mind work backwards like that. That is some very exceptional deduction!

This is also without taking into account the number of people that didn't vote. Does that risk really sound worth it to you?

[Sorsha]

Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

[a2thezebra]

I haven't even said anything about voting for you yet Enrique, it's not even Day 4. :P

Here we go again like I can't read between the lines.

linki- also a reminder that bass got lynched at random? im cursed ffs nobody else knew that

linki2- sig i dont get you. you connect me to simon, not bc, then connect simon to bc. but then you think you should lynch ME because of that?? thats some faulty logic

What is there to read between the lines? Do you think I'm trying to sneakily the hide the fact that these connections are worth looking at? Do you think I'm trying to sneakily hide the fact that they make you look pretty bad? No. But you're reacting to this as if you're about to be lynched with five minutes left to convince everyone otherwise.

[Enrique]

Zeeb I'm reacting as if two votes alone are enough to put me in the ground.

Here's what I see from the poll:

BC votes for me and puts me 5-4 over Bass.
I vote for Bass and tie it up.
DF votes for someone idr and it stays 5-5.
Simon votes and makes it 56.
A shitton other people miss the deadline.

How does that add up again, Golden?

[Golden]

bcornett also broke a tie between Bass and Enrique yesterday, giving Enrique a vote, and a 5-4 lead over Bass. I think that's worth keeping in mind.

In fact that is my point and a cornerstone of my theory. The two votes that went on Bass after that are Enrique and simon.

Dude how does your mind work backwards like that. That is some very exceptional deduction!

This is also without taking into account the number of people that didn't vote. Does that risk really sound worth it to you?

A teammate who already has a bundle of suspicion is poisoned, so that he takes more votes every day, and if he goes down you get credit for breaking a tie against him. Your vote simply passes as self-defence.

Yes, that does sound very worth it. I'm not sure what the risk is?

I'm not linking you to Simon. I'm linking you to BC. I think simon is still a possible teammate, but I'd say he also could be an innocent bystander without it diminishing the case on you.

[Golden]

Sorry, tense is all wrong in that post. The first bit was my explaining why it makes sense for BC. The second bit why it makes sense for you.

[MacDougall]

Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

[Enrique]

well that's just dumb and doesn't involve me at all. what if bc voted because he wanted me dead and i voted because i wanted me alive and thats that? and wasnt the whole point of that that i lived and thats why it was a counterweight? wouldnt bass have died a hell of a lot easier otherwise?

It doesn't work.