STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[sig]

Later peeps! No hard feelings, that was fun trying (and failing) to defend myself. Peace out and good luck town!

Hey, it turns out those 'extended universe' fanboys were right

Of course we are.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Voted.

[Tangrowth]

Glorfindel, what else do you have to say to the accusation that you've been defending yourself too much but not hunting enough?

Not much. The accusation when looked at objectively is clearly justified. I have clearly not spent the time and effort in 'hunting' as I should have at this point. I could point out that this is partly due to the fact that I have pracitically no point of reference for the behaviour of any player in this game but I won't bother. My judgements and my votes have been based on the only thing upon which I have to rely at this point - gut instinct. I believe that it's served me well so far although you and others obviously dispute that...

On that point, I still remain highly suspicious of Russtifinko (as I have said for some considerable time) and that is again where my vote will lie today.

@Zebra - please don't be concerned about my reaction to you in my post last night - my views and opinions have not changed but as I keep saying, that is my issue to deal with and shouldn't influence in any way your vote.

Do you suspect anyone other than Russ?

[Marmot]

I expect I am a high target to be killed tonight but hopefully beforehand I can compel the people who voted for Zebra to repeat and elaborate on how they got so close to lynching her.

What makes you think somebody will even kill tonight?


Also, with Matt replacing back in, I think we can put to rest any previous thought of Dead Boba being recruited to mafia.

[Tangrowth]

YES! That result! BIH bcornett, but hope to play with you again soon.

[Marmot]

I'm working on compiling all of bcornett's interactions with other players. Nobody else go and do the same thing.

Linki: Enjoy.

[Tangrowth]

Wow that was an impressive lynching guys, well done. I actually thought bcornett was civ. He was coming across very genuine to me. Obviously Golden caught wind of what amounted to almost a scum slip so well done on that! That combined with the unusual push on Zebra, has me intrigued.

I don't think scum would just try to railroad Zebra like that. I think that push is not anti-town influenced. The fact that it came about rather quietly (or for lack of a better phrase, via bullshit tbh) makes me feel that the voters know something the rest of us don't about the Zebs. The fact that they managed to get their votes on her makes me feel like they might be a team. Simon notwithstanding whose vote looks very much like an attempt to save bcornett. Inversely I think some of the bcornett votes could quite possibly have been attempts to save Zebra, particularly the Metalmarsh 'un. All told we got scum so I ain't bout to complain. Perhaps the Jawas have some way of identifying alignment and have seen that Zebs has the bads. Not totally in love with that analysis, but I thought I'd share my brainings nonetheless. Zebs in the thread has been pretty dang civilian to me so I ain't about to call for a lynch on that when it is an anlysis of shit going on around her, so that wouldn't be fair. She's hunting like a badbetch and just contributed to us killing the fat one so even if she's a badder, she's a useful badder for now, and there are others I think are badders that aren't so useful.

I think this sort of flip at this point of the game can really turn the game crucially in our favour, so analysing bcornett's interactions or lack thereof is probs going to give us some juicy material. That being said, he was one of the few players who made me feel the warm and fuzzies of a positive kind so I think he might have had his best bullshitter hat on here. I shall take a look at any rate and see if I can find anything s-s-strange... aside from Simon's quite blatant attempt to save him.

So you're proposing that perhaps Elo is an independent that has lie detected a statement by zebra or something?

[Tangrowth]

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

I agree, particularly with Enrique.

[Tangrowth]

Great finds by Golden, Mac, and zebra re: Enrique and BC.

[Tangrowth]

Let's not go easy on Simon. Any 8 year old whose parents are confident can play a game of forums mafia with adults must be capable. I trust his parents wouldn't feed him to the sharks. Don't underestimate kids these days man, most of them are smarter than us. I have a 4 year old who has the social nous of my 14 year old self.

Simon is an incredibly intelligent young boy.

[Tangrowth]

I'm working on compiling all of bcornett's interactions with other players. Nobody else go and do the same thing.

Linki: Enjoy.

You're the man. I'm really glad you're doing this. I would love to, but am going to be pretty busy going forward (until semester ends on December 8th for me as a student, December 10th for teaching), and will have limited time this holiday weekend to play mafia.

[Tangrowth]

I'm just going to leave this here while I have some pasta.

Hey, YOU, player reading and hardly posting.

Guess what?

You're a low poster. You hear me? You will be feeling the heat. You better participate soon. NOT posting is NOT a strategy to play the game, regardless of your alignment.

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It wasn't meant to be personal or even entirely serious.

Although I am frustrated that there are a handful of players barely posting, that post was an attempt to get them to post as well as see if players would take it as an opportunity to launch a "lynch low posters" campaign .

I've been having luke-warm mafia feelings about MP for a while, but haven't brought them up because they would just be a re-hash of the same things I suspect him for every game to the point that I've just accepted that I can't read MP at all....but this post actually made me feel a little better about him, mostly because of the bolded part.

As for this lynch...sigh. My instinct was to vote Roxy (for the seemingly "monotone-anger" I mentioned before), but her most recent posts about wanting to quit make me think that what I've been reading as feigned indignation might actually be genuine persistent frustration, so I am hesitant to vote there.

The bcornett case is interesting, though he was not someone on my radar at all before this most recent catch-up. I'm not uncomfortable with him being lynched, and I agree that his bubbles vote was very low-effort/oddly focused on bubbles. If I were to vote there, it would be mostly a following-on of people I trust, as I just don't feel very strongly one way or the other.

Glory index, j have no idea how to read. He posts as if he were a news, but people keep saying he's experienced? At the same time, his frustration/level of insult seems almost too over-the-top to be faked. I understand why he's getting votes, but I feel a bit icky about it, honestly.


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K, so this post has been sitting on my phone for over an hour. Wrote it while on the bus to the hockey game, then got distracted by the atrocious hockey-playing of the Hurricanes and forgot to hit post. Doing so now, then will read whatever I missed in the interim. Apologies if anything I've said is irrelevant now.

I presume you'll get to this, MM, but Canuck seems a bit waffly on BC here.

Also, Canuck, can you elaborate on why that bolded portion made you feel better about me?

[Tangrowth]

Night 3 MP rainbow reads list:

a2thezebra
Golden -- (moved up 1)
Metalmarsh89 -- (moved up 1)
nijuukyugou -- (moved up 2)

MacDougall

Black Rock
Canucklehead -- (moved down 1)
Dom
Russtifinko -- (moved up 2)
sig
Sorsha

Bass_the_Clever 2.0 (Mishimeals)
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Matt F 2.0 (Banana)
Savage
TheFloyd73

Bubbles -- (moved down 1)
Elohcin -- (moved down 1)
Luke11646 -- (moved down 1)
Roxy
Simon -- (moved down 2)

Enrique -- (moved down 1)
Glorfindel

Players are arranged alphabetically within groups.

Here are my new thoughts considering quick/gut reactions to bcornett24's flip. These are subject to change pending MM's interactions investigations as well as my own and others' hunting between now and end of Day 4.

I think Golden looks pretty good, considering his pursuit of bcornett and vice versa. I don't see that as mafia distancing. I agree with Mac that Blooper/ninja looks solid after this flip as well. Metalmarsh cast a decisive vote that sunk bcornett, hence his rise as well.

While Mac's theory is interesting, I am not coming to that conclusion. Despite zebra's thoughts on the matter as well, I conclude that the zebra votes were suspicious, and I have lowered Bubbles and Elohcin appropriately because I don't trust either of their intentions in casting those votes. Simon has moved down as well.

I have a potential bad look on Luke due to his throwaway vote on Enrique, but it could be a potentially good luck given Enrique's flip... since we don't know that yet, however, I've nonetheless moved Luke down until he can contribute his thought process more substantively in thread.

Between bcornett24's thoughts on Russ (don't see this as mafia distancing), as well as Glorfindel's (who I think latched onto some heat headed Russ's way), I'm willing to suspend my suspicion that way, pending Russ's future contributions.

Enrique looks pretty damning given some of the interactions uncovered so far, and his defense of bcornett toward the end of the lynch definitely reads like a desperate teammate.

My suspicion of Glorfindel has not alleviated at all because he hasn't provided any reason for it to; I don't believe his overreactive behavior, and his only suspicion (Russ) is convenient and no longer logical given recent events. I see no townie motivation for his lack of hunt, and bcornett's flip does not affect my previous read (from what I can recall, without digging into ISOs).

I'm having the most trouble reading Black Rock, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, sig, Savage, Sorsha, TheFloyd73, and the recently replaced 2.0's. I think my categorization of them is still most appropriate though. No reason for me to move MacDougall at this time. Same with Roxy, despite Golden's read on her, but I need to ISO her to get a better feel of her contributions (or lack thereof).

I voted my top 5 town reads in this poll, in the event that it is a rewards poll.

Like I said before, I have a busy couple of weeks ahead of me, until December 10th. Last week of classes next week... then Final Exams that I have to take and grade. So my contributions will likely drop going forward, but I'll try my best.

Have a great Holiday, everyone!

[Marmot]

Here's a look at bcornett's interactions with every other player.

a2thezebra

Spoiler: show

Thanks Zebra, reposting your link to all players post.

sig
Golden
MovingPictures07
Bass_the_Clever
MacDougall
Sorsha
DrWilgy
The Sexiest Player in the History of Mafia
Matt F
Enrique
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
bcornett24
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
Roxy
Elohcin
Simon
Black Rock
Canucklehead
nijuukyugou
Metalmarsh89
NANANANANANA_BANANA
Savage
Russtifinko

Thanks zebra for the post master list, null.

I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

Tells zebra he doesn't necessarily like her content on Enrique. Slight good look for zebra.

I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

Says he will try to get around to looking at zebra at some point, despite all of the posts. Null read.

Are you currently civilian golden?

You don't seem too dedicated to the belief that Golden doesn't have much content. And what are you implying with "currently"?

Both of these have been discussed in several later posts as well as a detail iso of golden. Have you had the time to read them yet?

Explains to zebra that her misgivings have already been discussed. Slight good look for zebra.





Black Rock

Spoiler: show

Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



Bubbles

Spoiler: show

Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.

voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

You have exactly three posts, come in drop a vote and leave...you deserve to be lynched. This is the type of behavior that contributes to town loses.

Based on your tone, you aren't going to be around again anytime soon. I don't like this.

Bcornett attacks Bubbles for her vote. This is bcornett's final post before his death. My tin-foil hat theory is that he is distancing from a teammate with a lynch impending, but that's a weak theory. I'll give Bubbles a slight bad look for this post though.



DFaraday

Spoiler: show

Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



Dom

Spoiler: show

Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.

You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

After Matt is lynched Day 1, accuses Dom of not reading the thread. Not a proper conclusion just because he hasn't posted much. Null.



Enrique

I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

Tells Mac and zebra he doesn't like their content on Enrique, but that it is content. Without looking at Enrique, I'll say this doesn't look good for him, with bcornett being a little flimsy on the defense here.

I'm all caught up with the reading but have no time to finish the analysis I wanted to do. This weekend has been much busier than excepted. The next week looks clear, even with thanksgiving coming up. I plan on doing several cases and hopefully some more tonight.

I will probably be back on in about 5 hours after the football game tonight and will then complete another iso.

The deadline will end before I get back. Since there needs to be a lynch I will be voting for enrique. I am surprised how little content was generated during day two I was unfortunately not around to help with posting. I have not completed an ISO on Bass and am not sure on the points that are being made against him therefore I will not be voting for him.

Surprisingly, this is only the second time that Enrique and bcornett have interacted, or rather the second time that bcornett talked about Enrique. It involved a lynch vote, and as I said before, it put Enrique ahead of Bass 5-4.

But Golden pointed out that Erique and Simon both proceed to vote for Bass within minutes of this. I do buy this theory now. This looks really bad for Enrique. It is also noteworthy that Enrique had no response to bcornett's vote, another sign he might have known it was coming.

I have read over all of Enrique posts but i don't have the ability to properly post from mobile. I don't feel great about and I will say I don't feel good about him and I will share detailed thoughts about this later and provide an ISO.

Bcornett said he would return with an ISO of Enrique, given the chance. He wasn't given the chance.



Glorfindel

Spoiler: show

Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.

I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...

This was his last post.

In response to MP, bcornett brings up Glorfindel's most recent post. Slight bad look for Glorfindel. Bcornett had nothing to say about this to MP, just acquiesced to MP's question of why Glorfindel voted for Matt.

You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

After Matt is lynched Day 1, accuses Glorfindel of not reading the thread. Not a proper conclusion just because he hasn't posted much. Null.



Golden

Golden

Nothing sticks out really, but he seems more playful then usual so far. Typically at around this time, if civ, Golden is picking a fight with another civ. Why hasn't that happened yet Golden?

Thats kind of low. Often by this point I'm picking a fight with a baddie.

But, this is one of the most common and yet untrue accusations that gets levelled at me. If you looked back at the games I've played on this site, you'll see I've been lynched early several times as civ for not having 'picked a fight' yet - most notably in economics where I was lynched day one and then got to sub in as a baddie and clean everyone up. No early fights in Biblical where I was civ. But I did have early fights in Bullets over Broadway where I was Indy.

Since you came back, you have played 4 games early with me. In Dune zebra and I got into a fight, but it was not me that 'picked it'... I said I had a small ping and he overreacted. In Talking Heads I had some dialogue going on with Rico, but it could hardly be called a fight (any more than the posts I exchanged with Mac today). The first time I picked a fight was day 2, and it was with the specific goal of getting people to lynch me. And World Reborn, you didn't see me go straight out and pick fights in that one either (although because it is ongoing, I recognise we can't dialogue on what that means).

Long story short - you are raising a false indicator of my affiliation. (And I think your representation that I am 'more playful' is incorrect too... I always try to be playful. It makes things fun for me.)

I was wondering about that golden, what's going on normally by this point your are flinging shit around looking for scum. I just took a look at your content, even with 40+ posts there is almost no content. Are you busy being trained in the ways of the dark side? I find this concerning.

I would say that your three latest posts appear to be your only actual content. That being said, you appear to have a read on matt, I will take a look at him next as a lot of people seem to be going on about him right now.

Do you have any other reads or major concerns?

Calls Golden's post history useless.

@ golden, i did see that, you don't have to go jjj super poster in order to scum hunt.

I read through all of your content as an iso and within the forum, which I've read completely almost 2x now. I do not feel that most of your posts, as I just stated, except for the last three, are of any real substance. This is why I made the previous statement.

I did find the last three + posts to be useful though and as I said I will be looking at matt next.

I am not going to sit here and make stuff up, all you have to do is go through your post history which I am linking for you or anybody else who finds this examination prudent and would like to examine your content: Golden.

Tells Golden that bcornett would not make things up. Continues to call Golden's post history "[devoid] of any real substance", except for his most recent posts. A baseless accusation, and I think a good look for Golden.

And I will repeat what I said to Matt.

Your post about me appears like you have just ISOed me. If that is true, you ought to know that I've given reads on about half of the people in the game, which is significantly more than most other people here.

I'll add you to my scum read list, though. I don't like it when people push this agenda about me, that if I don't pick fights I'm not creating content. I've seen it take me down as a civilian too many times, both back in my RM days and since I've arrived at the Syndicate. People use an incorrect perception of my meta against me. It is something I find inherently suspicious, especially when the basic starting point is that I 'don't have content' when that is plainly untrue.

I did indeed, but I have also, as I just stated read the entire forum nearly twice now. I am not asking you to compile a list of reads if you have any specific concerns off the top of your head right now, that would be great.

By no means am I attempting to force anybody to do anything, people have very low content in general right now which is, from my experience normal for day 0/1 standards.

Continues to insist that he's read the thread twice over, and thus knows Golden's post history pretty well.

Are you currently civilian golden?

Asks Golden if he is "currently" civilian.

Are you currently civilian golden?

That's an odd way of phrasing that question. Do you have reason to believe things will shift? In case you are trying to dig for some kind of LDable statement (which is how that reads), I will give you one that should work. I am not and (unless I'm missing some mechanic which is outside of my control) will never be aligned with anti-town win conditions.

linki @MP - I don't find Simon's posts alarming either. Boba looks dangerous, I'd call it astute. Interesting that 'indy-hunting' is a scum tell in Savage's mafia world. I agree that it isn't here.

Not really considering your question.

And before brian points out my 'lack of content', I would like to REINFORCE these points:

about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

I want people to ask themselves, why is brian forcing the 'lack of content' angle when my response to this has consistently been "This is an incorrect scum tell" - It is blatantly not the truth, in any event, that the conduct I'm being accused of is a scum tell for me. I have it thrown at me regularly WHEN I'M CIVILIAN. As I keep saying. I can think of only one time when I've been accused of being bad because I've been quiet, and it has actually been the truth (and it wasn't the truth because I was bad... it was the truth because I was very busy at that time).

Responds to the "odd phrasing". I think bcornett misunderstood the context of Golden's statement.

gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

lol that is awesome

Banter post. Null.

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Yeah, I'll invite anyone to look at that, and note the various points I made on Russti, MP, Mac, Zebra.... others too... and the things that weren't specific reads but contributing to solving game mechanics, before those 'last three posts'

I do not believe anyone can possibly read my iso and genuinely call that a 'lack of content'. I guess you are in the zebra camp where if you don't care about the specific thing being talked about, it isn't in any way someone trying to contribute to solving the game. The fact you doubled down on it has you shooting to the top of my suspect list. The golden 'lack of content' case is always bullsuit, it gets rolled out far too often, and it frankly pisses me off. I'm not under any obligation to write 200 posts in the first day phase going at someone aggressively. There is no greater discouragement to trying to help the town than behaving like a good member of the town and being told you don't have content, when about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

It's taking every ounce of my control not to just vote for you and be done with the vote for today.

I do not think your case on me is truthful. So, people want me to pick a fight? Bcornett has one coming. Read my iso people, go ahead. Look at what bullsuit it is that I have no content.

You are way to defensive for what I said. I have never seen a golden who is scared he is going to be lynched because of too much content as a civ? Even if you have been in the recent past, even in more than one game, that is a bullshit excuse, and illogical. As you stated in your argument with zebra content is useful as it allows reads. I've have been lynched on day 1-2 in 2/6 of the games ive played thus far. That hasn't stopped me from posting. (Thanfully this day 0/1 fell on my weekend so I have had more time to participate.)

So here we go...detail iso

Consider me slightly pinged that you are slightly pinged.

Consider me slightly pinged that you are slightly pinged that he is slightly pinged.

Oh, who am I kidding. I'm just slightly pinged because you are zebra

My experience of DDL is that he always seems suspicious early on. I thought he was bad day one in economics and he wasn't.

You do make a meta statement about DDL though which was useful.

This statement is followed with a short discussion with Zebra about DDL.

I've never played with him before (either that or it's been far too long) so does he normally make a suggestion and then proceed to shoot down that very suggestion in the same post?

Umm, I'm not sure I can speak to his precise tendencies. Just that I have found he picks up suspicion early in every game, no matter his affiliation. Kind of like sig in this way.

Btw MP, any rainbow lists yet?

Not yet, still trying to make sense of the thread, but I'm sure I'll force myself to make one before Day 1 ends.

He will force himself. Get it??

@MP - if its worth anything, I don't share your suspicion on russti. It's consistent with the way I think to express a ping on someone when I see behaviour that I find odd, even if I feel like 'I'm not sure if it is civ or bad'. For me, the most accurate definition of what I would say I mean by 'ping' is 'I found something you did odd and so now I'm paying attention to you'.

When I see behaviour that I don't think is civ (ie I feel like 'that must be bad') I'm not nearly as likely to describe it as a ping. I only really use ping when I can also see the potential civilian perspective.

Golden doesn't agree with MP's suspicion of Russ.
Golden then talks about what a ping is.

Regarding Mac's case on MP, I think while it may have some substance to it most of it is just pointing out differences between Mac's and MP's play style. I haven't seen MP do anything yet that has struck me as opportunistic or disingenuous, and I think Mac's case against Enrique is much more convincing.

This is interesting to me, for a few reasons.
1) re: Mac's playstyle. Have you played with Mac a lot before? I've only played with him in World Reborn, and I was not super attentive in that game, but the Mac that I encountered there was NOTHING like this Mac so far (who is reading to me as calm, reasoned, and analytical). Which of these two Jekyll/Hyde sides of Mac is the "real" style, in your opinion? In what way do you see his playstyle as differing form MP's?
2) I didn't read Mac's case on MP (which I thought was good, since I almost always accuse MP of being too hedgey/non-committal, usually on Day 1 ) as accusing him of being "opportunistic" or "disingenuous", but of being overly cautious, non-committal, and wibbly-wobbly (technical term). If you don't agree with Mac's case on "opportunistic and disingenuous" grounds, do you agree with it on "wibbly-wobbly and over-cautious" grounds?

My take on Mac so far is that he is Jekyll and Hyde, but that it's not like 'Jekyll is civvie'. I think he is like some other players you and I have played with a lot (the rabbits and dutchies of this world) who take joy in mixing up their calm and chaos, even when civ, to preserve their game better when they do roll bad.

here you do provide a legitimate read on Mac's play style.

Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

It's hard to be bothered by MM's normal civilian behaviour.

Statement about MM's normal play-style.

This next part I had to take into context otherwise it makes no sense nor would it be a fair read so I'm putting it inside a spoiler tag. This is Golden and Mac talking about MM

Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

It's hard to be bothered by MM's normal civilian behaviour.

Initially I assumed it was a joke vote and that he hadn't noticed that there were no vote changes, but...

Votes are not changeable in this poll.

So actually what the hell did you vote for me for Metalmarsh?

If he had managed to explain a thought process behind this switch, that'd be one thing, but the kicker is that he has failed to address your suspicion whatsoever.

I'm not sold, but I'm listening. I'd like to hear Enrique address your thoughts.

What do you think this was (from before your post):

thats like the biggest nonstory ive seen presented as a case on mafia

tbh i had no idea what "Yavin" was until i read the descriptions, at which point it was a bit of a no-brainer. like really? the place is literally the civvie base where the civvies do cool things in the movies. i DID consider my options (tattooine, endor) up until i found out about yavin. but then when it looked so good, surely i was missing something that kept people away from it? nobody gave it any consideration so i just put it down to lack of familiarity and went ahead and voted.

like i dont even understand what the baddie logic behind anything there would be.

Whether the truth or not, it definitely is a 'thought process behind the switch'.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Nope, I had the context exactly right. MP said he found Enrique suspicious because 'he hadn't given a thought process behind his change in view' when in fact Enrique had. The fact that MP said that in the context of also responding to other posts is not important. It demonstrated to me that MP's suspicion was based on the fact he had missed Enrique's post, and if anything was being swayed by posts from you saying Enrique hadn't responded... even though Enrique subsequently did.

@zebra - nope. Marmot can pretty much get away with anything. He went through a period of being lynched day one over and over and over and basically always flipping civ. So, now we recognise that it isn't alignment-related behaviour. It's just him.

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

MP was referencing enrique's initial reactions to my initial suspicions and his lack of response to them, anything that enrique said subsequent was not on the table.

Nope, I had the context exactly right. MP said he found Enrique suspicious because 'he hadn't given a thought process behind his change in view' when in fact Enrique had. The fact that MP said that in the context of also responding to other posts is not important. It demonstrated to me that MP's suspicion was based on the fact he had missed Enrique's post, and if anything was being swayed by posts from you saying Enrique hadn't responded... even though Enrique subsequently did.

@zebra - nope. Marmot can pretty much get away with anything. He went through a period of being lynched day one over and over and over and basically always flipping civ. So, now we recognise that it isn't alignment-related behaviour. It's just him.

No, you didn't. He was referring to his lack of reaction to the suspicion initially, not subsequently. He quoted a post that I had made before enrique had responded. The fact that MP himself didn't defend himself with this very easily raised refute to your point indicates that he doesn't want to play with you in the thread Golden.

Thanks for your psychoanalysis of MP, Mac. Lets see which of these is most likely to be true. Occam's Razor time.

1) MP claimed Enrique had never said something that he had said, but he only did it because he was putting it 'in context' and so was able to ignore the fact that Enrique said what MP claimed he did not say. MP fully knew that Enrique HAD said what MP claimed he hadn't, but he went ahead and said it anyway, knowing that you, Mac, would understand the so called 'context' of his post didn't include Enrique's actual response, that he claimed didn't exist. Then, when I pointed this out to him, he said 'thank you' to me, rather than him deciding to clarify that he intended that statement only to be read in context. He said thank you because he, the overlord of engaging people in the thread, and whom I have a very good working relationship with, wouldn't want to engage with me. Just because. But he also asked me for a gth read on you. Because he only wants to engage me a little bit.

2) Or... MP stated his (at the time) current thoughts on Enrique but had missed Enrique's post, and when he said 'thanks for pointing it out' he meant it, because I was helping him figure out where he stood on Enrique (whether it changes his mind or not), while at the same time clearly engaging me by asking me questions.

I dunno, take your pick people.

Firstly, the fact is that I called enrique out on the behaviour on day 0 and enrique did not reply then. The fact that he replied after I elaborated much later does not take away the fact that he did in fact reply to me with dismissive non posts. Yes, I do think it's fair for MP to have suspicion on enrique for an initial reaction without needing to address the subsequent one. The fact that he chose not to say "Golden I was referring to the fact that enrique didn't reply to Mac's initial points" alarms me, because it looks to me like that is entirely what he has done. I was not inferring that he doesn't want to engage with you "just because", I believe he didn't attempt a defense because he is already caught scum for other reasons and chose to take the easy way out and just apologise for his behaviour.

How MP chooses to respond to our conversation is going to be very telling isn't it.

Is there a third option for who gives a shit? You guys are going back-and-forth about an issue that boils down to insignificant nonsense regardless of which one of you is right.

OK, so now I'll seriously consider a vote on zebra - the so-called champion of throwing stuff out and getting people talking wants to shut down my dispute with Mac. Why?

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

That's a statement which I can only call target painting. Accusing someone of 'taking something out of context' is accusing them of having ulterior motives.

You don't think it is worth talking about how ridiculous that is? I do. Mac isn't merely wrong. He's pushing illogical shit. This should have you writing in caps.

I feel ok about Mac about it, but big ping on you!

Is there a third option for who gives a shit? You guys are going back-and-forth about an issue that boils down to insignificant nonsense regardless of which one of you is right.

OK, so now I'll seriously consider a vote on zebra - the so-called champion of throwing stuff out and getting people talking wants to shut down my dispute with Mac. Why?

Golden I expect better from you. This is a textbook example of taking something completely out of context.

That's a statement which I can only call target painting. Accusing someone of 'taking something out of context' is accusing them of having ulterior motives.

You don't think it is worth talking about how ridiculous that is? I do. Mac isn't merely wrong. He's pushing illogical shit. This should have you writing in caps.

I feel ok about Mac about it, but big ping on you!

Okay I don't it's fair to say that it's ridiculous. Firstly, my accusing you of taking it out of context was an accusation of you being at best lazy with your choice of where to start looking into this swathe of content that has been presented since you were last here, yes at worst I am accusing you of having ulterior motives. I'm sorry but I don't see how anything I have said is illogical.

MP quoted and agreed with the point I made that enrique failed to address my suspicions of him on day 0.

You said that was disingenous because enrique addressed subsequent suspicions on day 1.

I think you are the one who is being illogical. I know you are headstrong bordering on bullish Golden but if you fail to see my point then it is another poor reflection on you.

Whoah, whoah. What do you mean 'lazy with my choice of where to start'. If I see ANYONE who I think has missed stuff, I will point it out to them. I was giving MP context for HIS suspicion, because someone having a suspicion for reasons that I see are incorrect is not something I will let stand without me mentioning it. Thats the opposite of lazy... I could have just let him think he had read the thread properly. I can't see any reason at all for ulterior motives to what I did. Where are you even coming from on that? I was HELPING mp, and you are making out like I'm misrepresenting him... I wasn't even saying anything about MP. I never made out it was disingenuous. You are reading a hell of a lot in to that.

I'm honestly not sure I understand this argument to be honest, though I don't see it as useless mac and golden are clearly butting heads. I think that all content gives information.

The last three posts, before Golden and I started arguing about the merits of his content I will look at in context of looking at Matt F, almost all of his content since then has been directed at myself.

SUMMARY
Golden has several statements regarding DDL's meta
Golden doesn't find Russ to be suspicious
Golden provides a read on Mac's meta responding to Canucklehead's analogy of Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde
Golden provides a read on MM's normal, or abnormal play style
Golden has a long argument with and MaC, Zebra concering the thinking process behind Enrique's vote

Conclusion
Golden has done more than many of the players have thus far.
Upon completion of this ISO golden has added more content than I thought, I had to pull in the entire conversation with Mac and Zebra which I think will possibly count as golden's content, but did not show up in an initial ISO. I think this looks good for golden.
I felt that he didn't meet his own meta that I know and have seen him conform to in other games in regards to content. Which was a slight read for me.
Golden provided a reason for this.

Neutral

A giant post. His conclusion to a Golden ISO is a complete reverse from the early shit he flung at Golden. Golden is confirmed Not-Hutt in my mind.

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I've actually felt the vibe is generally been ok in this game.

But, never mind the cute baby animals, my 'fun vibe' in this game will continue to be Star Wars memes.

Like this:



(No, thats not a role hint)

lol, love it

Banter post. Null.

You are way to defensive for what I said. I have never seen a golden who is scared he is going to be lynched because of too much content as a civ? Even if you have been in the recent past, even in more than one game, that is a bullshit excuse, and illogical. As you stated in your argument with zebra content is useful as it allows reads. I've have been lynched on day 1-2 in 2/6 of the games ive played thus far. That hasn't stopped me from posting. (Thanfully this day 0/1 fell on my weekend so I have had more time to participate.)

I'm not 'afraid to post content'.

But if I put my absolute full 'supatown golden' into every game from day one, two things will happen.

1) People will like me less, because it can be quite an abrasive style for some people and I make a concerted effort not to do it too often, only when I feel very confident and;
2) I'll burn out.

I'm heading into a short mafia break after this game to stay fresh, and I only signed up for this one very late because I couldn't resist the theme. But I have no intention of playing this game at 100% intensity. I'm still committed to providing quality content, just hopefully in a less intense way. I need this for me.

I appreciate you doing the iso and realising that I've been providing content all game. You didn't need to change your perspective, you could have pursued it, so that is a positive in my book.

I understand that.
I like to provide content too, which is what I was doing it just happened to be that you were the one who responded.
To be fair, in all of the games I've played, many people take you and JJJ very seriously which is why I like to keep a watch on you guys. If you were perhaps scum you could easily run away with the game.
Keeping things in perspective, it is only day one.

I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

Responds to Golden again. Says he likes to be wary of supatown players like Golden and Jay.





Luke11646

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



MacDougall

Is it usual for Mac to be super intense?

Asks if it's normal for Mac to be super intense. Slight good look for Mac.

I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

Tells Mac he doesn't necessarily like his content on Enrique. Another slight good look for Mac.

I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

Says he plans to look at Mac at some point. Null read.



MovingPictures07

Golden

Nothing sticks out really, but he seems more playful then usual so far. Typically at around this time, if civ, Golden is picking a fight with another civ. Why hasn't that happened yet Golden?

I'm sorry, what?

Does anyone here truly believe that Golden has no substantive content this game?

I'm going to ISO Golden right now, because off the top of my head I can recall him engaging me, Mac, and zebra in conversation on various matters (does not share my opinion of Russ, disagreed with Mac over interpretation of my actions, etc.).

I do not think that his content has nearly as much content as it appears to. I'm working on showing it in detail right now.

Tries to change MP's mind about Golden. MP thinks Golden has been quite engaged in the thread, while bcornett, feels otherwise. Slight good look for MP.

I took a quick look at Matt F's content almost every single post is related to this death star controversy.

Matt F

What do you make of it with regards to his alignment?

I've been staring at it for like 20 mins now and I honestly have no clue. You can make many arguments to justify or convict him based on his obsession with it. He himself said scum would not blatantly want to go to the death star and he was insistent upon it which makes him civ. The argument could be made that because of this he could vote this was as scum and then he would be thought to be civ, but this is wifom. Matt then stated that he thought it would be great to go there because it was fun (which he stated before, and on several other occasions). He has provided several reasons for his vote which could all or part be true, so it comes down to if you believe what Matt said or not. I will say, I agree with him completely that death star is bad-ass. I am just not sure about the persistence on it. It was suggested that he had info, but he stated he didn't. All he had to do was drop the subject at some point and time and this whole conversation could have been avoided. The fact that he kept going on about it is confusing in its own right.

Responds to MP wert Matt F. Bcornett says he couldn't come to a conclusion on Matt. Nothing useful here. Null read for MP.

I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...

This was his last post.

Brings up Glorfindel's last post before his vote, in response to MP's question. I still don't think this exonerates or condemns MP. Remain null.

I don't know what to do right now. I'm not even particularly sold on Enrique or Matt F, so I'm feeling a bit nervous about the wagons that are forming.

I agree with this. The only thing that I know, 100% for sure is that there cannot be a no-lynch that only hurts the town.

Agrees with MP that he doesn't know what to do. This reads somewhat sincere since the two players that MP names were both neutral reads (of sorts) for bcornett, so it fits his profile to this point. Still a null read on MP. Nothing conclusive either way for his alignment. But with the consistent genuine interactions with bcornett, I'll give MP a slight good look.



NANANANANANA_BANANA/Matt F 2.0

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



nijuukyugou

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.

You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

After Matt is lynched Day 1, accuses nijuu of not reading the thread. Not a proper conclusion just because she hasn't posted much. Null.



Roxy

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.

You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

After Matt is lynched Day 1, accuses Roxy of not reading the thread. Not a proper conclusion just because she hasn't posted much. Null.



Russtifinko

Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

I'm rather confused why the focus of the conversation happens to be on the 2nd statement russ made here and not the first. I would encourage everybody to read the statement in red. To me this comes across as a scum hunting for third party players (or vise-versa).

I find this to be a very anti-town statement. What does everybody else think?

Who's a third party? This response to Russtfinko. In hindsight, it's obvious why bcornett was more interested in looking at Russ's first comment than his second, but is this a gambit by mafia to do some early distancing, or just a poor response? (Or both.

I think it's just a poor response on bcornett's. Russ did display his own ability to bus teammates in Talking Heads. Still, I think this is a good look for Russ.

I have read this forum 1.5 times and am now reading through ISOs.

I thought I would start by taking a look at the person who I had found to be the most suspucious which is Russtifinko

Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

The first part being specifically what I had an issue with, not the second which I have already stated my reasons for disliking. This is the only content of Russ's thus far that I found to be of any use.

The only other thing I found to be worth noting is this:

Dammit, I forgot to actually vote in Day 0.

I still find the first post that I noted to be suspicious, but there is so much additional content and Russ lacks so much content I do think that this is worth focusing on as it has already been discussed in length, I think there is much more valuable content that needs to be examined.

Here is bcornett continuing to cast shade on Russ. Russ has been out of town these past couple days. I don't think bcornett would continue to throw suspicion on a partner like this. Russ wasn't around to defend himself, and bcornett's suspicions don't look very strong. I think he was actually worried something might happen on Tattoine that would get him/his team in trouble, and he was trying to discredit Russ's idea.

I would need some convincing to go the other way on this.

Russ was my original ping and I still don't like the post I have previously spoken of. I am not sure I like the Matt F vote either but, their cannot be a tie...

Bcornett ultimately votes for Russ. Something, something about there cannot be a tie...

This isn't the worst vote in the world, but it looks bad for Enrique. Enrique was trailing the vote to Matt 7-5 when bcornett voted. And if there cannot be a tie, why not give Matt F a vote to put more distance between them?

I think bcornett's assumption on ties is flawed. A tie does not result in a no-lynch (right?).



sig

Sig you are online, I was just going through your posts and I saw nothing noteworthy at all. Are you caught up with all of the reading? Do you have any major suspicions? You seem to be busy based on your previous post.

Throws suspicion on sig. Strange, strange suspicion, this one is. He says sig's content is not noteworthy, asks for sig's major suspicions, then excuses sig from answering by reminding him he's busy. Not a good look for sig.


Simon

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



Sorsha

You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

After Matt is lynched Day 1, accuses Sorsha of not reading the thread. Not a proper conclusion just because she hasn't posted much. Null.



TheFloyd73

Dagobah was my favourite Star Wars planet as a kid, good place of teaching, voting for that.

Yoda, is one of my favorite characters in all of star wars, visit his planet first we should!

Day 0 banter, null.

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Players with little to no content list:

Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
Dom
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Glorfindel
DFaraday
Roxy
Simon
Black Rock
nijuukyugou
NANANANANANA_BANANA

These players all have under 10 posts with no real content to analyze.

Added to an early list of players with a low post count. Null.



NON-INTERACTIONS

• Canucklehead
  DrWilgy
  Elohcin
  Mishimeals/Bass_the_Clever 2.0
  Savage

[Marmot]

I'm just going to leave this here while I have some pasta.

Hey, YOU, player reading and hardly posting.

Guess what?

You're a low poster. You hear me? You will be feeling the heat. You better participate soon. NOT posting is NOT a strategy to play the game, regardless of your alignment.

tthis tpost tis tmean. tplease tstop trequoting tit.
Tthis tmentality twill tdrive tplayers taway tfrom tthe tsite - tnot tattract tthem tto tit. ti tam tsurprised tmp teven tposted tit. tif tit tis trequoted ti twill tquit tplaying there tmyself.

It wasn't meant to be personal or even entirely serious.

Although I am frustrated that there are a handful of players barely posting, that post was an attempt to get them to post as well as see if players would take it as an opportunity to launch a "lynch low posters" campaign .

I've been having luke-warm mafia feelings about MP for a while, but haven't brought them up because they would just be a re-hash of the same things I suspect him for every game to the point that I've just accepted that I can't read MP at all....but this post actually made me feel a little better about him, mostly because of the bolded part.

As for this lynch...sigh. My instinct was to vote Roxy (for the seemingly "monotone-anger" I mentioned before), but her most recent posts about wanting to quit make me think that what I've been reading as feigned indignation might actually be genuine persistent frustration, so I am hesitant to vote there.

The bcornett case is interesting, though he was not someone on my radar at all before this most recent catch-up. I'm not uncomfortable with him being lynched, and I agree that his bubbles vote was very low-effort/oddly focused on bubbles. If I were to vote there, it would be mostly a following-on of people I trust, as I just don't feel very strongly one way or the other.

Glory index, j have no idea how to read. He posts as if he were a news, but people keep saying he's experienced? At the same time, his frustration/level of insult seems almost too over-the-top to be faked. I understand why he's getting votes, but I feel a bit icky about it, honestly.


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K, so this post has been sitting on my phone for over an hour. Wrote it while on the bus to the hockey game, then got distracted by the atrocious hockey-playing of the Hurricanes and forgot to hit post. Doing so now, then will read whatever I missed in the interim. Apologies if anything I've said is irrelevant now.

I presume you'll get to this, MM, but Canuck seems a bit waffly on BC here.

Also, Canuck, can you elaborate on why that bolded portion made you feel better about me?

I should have specified more clearly, I was looking at bcornett's posts, not everyone else's interactions with bcornett. :P That's a lot of work, but if I have time I might. I will certainly look at a select few though.

[Marmot]

And here is my conclusion from looking at bcornett on each player's likelihood to be a Hutt.


Good Looks, definitely not a Hutt

• Golden

Slight Good Looks, doubtfully a Hutt

• MacDougall
  a2thezebra
  MovingPictures07

Neutral Looks, could go either way based on content

• Russtifinko

Slight Bad Looks, a possible chance of being a Hutt

• Bubbles
  sig
  Glorfindel

Bad Looks, Pizza the Hutts

• Enrique

Null Looks, no read due to lack of interaction from bcornett

Black Rock
Canucklehead
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Elohcin
Luke11646
Mishimeals/Bass_the_Clever 2.0
NANANANANANA_BANANA/Matt F 2.0
nijuukyugou
Roxy
Savage
Simon
Sorsha
TheFloyd73

[Golden]

Indie is short for "Independent" role, meaning a player(s) that is only aligned with themselves, neither town, nor scum. So in this case we've already lynched the primary indie (Bobba Fett) but there also the small indie factions, the Tusken Raiders and Jawas.

Thank you Zebra, that is very kind of you. Much appreciated.

This voting thing - I suspect it's for something good - why else wouldn't you be able to vote for yourself? That being the case, it would make sense to vote for the best players on our team in my opinion...

I suspect it's for something good because we are on Alderaan, a very peaceful planet.

[Marmot]

I'm sorry Glorfindel, if I had one more vote, I would give it to you since you don't have one yet.

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper's Thanksgiving Mercy Event

I'm probably not allowed to do this but it's Thanksgiving and Epi will shortly be too drunk to stop me. In my posts, the character of Epignosis comes across a bootlegged version of the original Star Wars films, with many alterations to the source material. PM Me with a popular film franchise of your choice, as well as how YOU would alter the films to make a more entertaining/ interesting story. The one I like the best will get a prize purse of, lets call it 5 credits.

Entries must be submitted before 7:30 PM EST on Friday

Actually, fuck it. If the winning entry puts in a sufficient level of effort, I'll give your ass 15 credits.

[Glorfindel]

Night 3 MP rainbow reads list:

a2thezebra
Golden -- (moved up 1)
Metalmarsh89 -- (moved up 1)
nijuukyugou -- (moved up 2)

MacDougall

Black Rock
Canucklehead -- (moved down 1)
Dom
Russtifinko -- (moved up 2)
sig
Sorsha

Bass_the_Clever 2.0 (Mishimeals)
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Matt F 2.0 (Banana)
Savage
TheFloyd73

Bubbles -- (moved down 1)
Elohcin -- (moved down 1)
Luke11646 -- (moved down 1)
Roxy
Simon -- (moved down 2)

Enrique -- (moved down 1)
Glorfindel

Players are arranged alphabetically within groups.

Here are my new thoughts considering quick/gut reactions to bcornett24's flip. These are subject to change pending MM's interactions investigations as well as my own and others' hunting between now and end of Day 4.

I think Golden looks pretty good, considering his pursuit of bcornett and vice versa. I don't see that as mafia distancing. I agree with Mac that Blooper/ninja looks solid after this flip as well. Metalmarsh cast a decisive vote that sunk bcornett, hence his rise as well.

While Mac's theory is interesting, I am not coming to that conclusion. Despite zebra's thoughts on the matter as well, I conclude that the zebra votes were suspicious, and I have lowered Bubbles and Elohcin appropriately because I don't trust either of their intentions in casting those votes. Simon has moved down as well.

I have a potential bad look on Luke due to his throwaway vote on Enrique, but it could be a potentially good luck given Enrique's flip... since we don't know that yet, however, I've nonetheless moved Luke down until he can contribute his thought process more substantively in thread.

Between bcornett24's thoughts on Russ (don't see this as mafia distancing), as well as Glorfindel's (who I think latched onto some heat headed Russ's way), I'm willing to suspend my suspicion that way, pending Russ's future contributions.

Enrique looks pretty damning given some of the interactions uncovered so far, and his defense of bcornett toward the end of the lynch definitely reads like a desperate teammate.

My suspicion of Glorfindel has not alleviated at all because he hasn't provided any reason for it to; I don't believe his overreactive behavior, and his only suspicion (Russ) is convenient and no longer logical given recent events. I see no townie motivation for his lack of hunt, and bcornett's flip does not affect my previous read (from what I can recall, without digging into ISOs).

I'm having the most trouble reading Black Rock, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, sig, Savage, Sorsha, TheFloyd73, and the recently replaced 2.0's. I think my categorization of them is still most appropriate though. No reason for me to move MacDougall at this time. Same with Roxy, despite Golden's read on her, but I need to ISO her to get a better feel of her contributions (or lack thereof).

I voted my top 5 town reads in this poll, in the event that it is a rewards poll.

Like I said before, I have a busy couple of weeks ahead of me, until December 10th. Last week of classes next week... then Final Exams that I have to take and grade. So my contributions will likely drop going forward, but I'll try my best.

Have a great Holiday, everyone!

It is apparent to me that you have made up your mind my friend so I accept that there is little that I can do to change that.

As I said in an earlier post, I believe that this voting thing is for a good purpose. To that end, I also believe it makes sense that for the good of our team our best players should be the ones that should receive my vote. Accordingly, I'm voting for Golden, Zebra, MP, MetalMarsh and yes, Enrique. I know that a lot of you think he's guilty but there's something there that I can't quite put my finger on that tells me me he's being used as a scapegoat for some reason... And yes, I know I've voted for a number of players who have been hounding me across the star system but I still think it's imperative that they be given every advantage (yes, even if their judgement is occasionally rubbish )

[Enrique]

This whole thing is such a massive stretch I honestly can't believe you people are reaching the same conclusions.

[Enrique]

But Golden pointed out that Erique and Simon both proceed to vote for Bass within minutes of this. I do buy this theory now. This looks really bad for Enrique. It is also noteworthy that Enrique had no response to bcornett's vote, another sign he might have known it was coming.

This here especially bothers me. Damn you Golden for making that seem like it makes any sense whatsoever.

MY vote was a direct response from BC's. THAT was my humano response. I was JUST talking about how I'd put off voting for Bass unless there were no other options. Then BC puts me SIX (not five) vs four votes a shit and of fucking course I had to vote then.

SIMON DIDN'T VOTE RIGHT THEN. In fact, DF got a vote for Roxy in before Simon showed up. Know what? That was still a while before the deadline. A fuckton other people could've nailed me in that time.

I WAS NEVER ON A TEAM WITH BCORNETT AND THERE WAS NO "COUNTERWEIGHT" TO SAVE MYSELF.

How can you actually believe that? Christ on a cracker IT MAKES NO SENSE.

[Enrique]

AND WHY DOES NO ONE ELSE SEEM TO NOTICE THAT

[Golden]

@Glorfindel - I have no intention of voting for you tomorrow, and I think you are beginning to find your feet in this game and with all the new people, which is good.

I'm still open to the fact that some of your posts which have felt more awkward and forced (and they definitely exist) are more a product of swimming in a sea of unknown people.

@enrique - there could have been a chance you could have convinced me but constantly claiming a very ordinary and normal gambit makes no sense is not a helpful approach, to me.

[Enrique]

well jesus then i guess we should base our whole game on nonsense logic and nothing could be done to stop it

I am not a Hutt and there's nothing to this case that I am. I mean, seriously? MM's ISO of BC's interactions puts me as likeliest teammate? Did anyone even read that? How does one reach that conclusion what the shit

[Enrique]

I honestly DO NOT get it.

[MacDougall]

well jesus then i guess we should base our whole game on nonsense logic and nothing could be done to stop it

I am not a Hutt and there's nothing to this case that I am. I mean, seriously? MM's ISO of BC's interactions puts me as likeliest teammate? Did anyone even read that? How does one reach that conclusion what the shit

You are really convincing me that you are foul-hooked scum.

[Glorfindel]

I'm sorry Glorfindel, if I had one more vote, I would give it to you since you don't have one yet.

Thank you my friend, I appreciate the sentiment very much. At the end of the day though, I accept that my fate (or that of any individual) in a game like this is not important. There are bigger things at stake here and I've played enough of these games to appreciate that.

[Elohcin]

First of all, Happy Thanksgiving Americans! Those of you not in America, what special holidays do you celbrate that are specific to your country?

Second, Why do I keep moving down one space each time you post a rainbow list MP? What do you have against me, huh?

Third, I really wish I knew what we were voting for in the poll. But ah well.

[Marmot]

16 players voted in the 48 hour lynch poll yesterday.

15 players have already voted in the first 24 hours of a night poll with unknown consequences.



Come on everyone! Let's try to do better on the poll where we know what's going to happen.

[Golden]

First of all, Happy Thanksgiving Americans! Those of you not in America, what special holidays do you celbrate that are specific to your country?

Second, Why do I keep moving down one space each time you post a rainbow list MP? What do you have against me, huh?

Third, I really wish I knew what we were voting for in the poll. But ah well.

Maybe MPs rainbow list goes in a full circle, and if you keep moving down one step each time in a couple of days you will be 'confirmed town'.

[a2thezebra]

I honestly DO NOT get it.

I honestly do not believe that you don't.

[Enrique]

[DrWilgy]

Happy thanks giving everyone Happy Thursday to those who don't do a thanksgiving.

*Wilgy appears on the cliffside mounted upon a giant turkey. The sunlight behind him veils him in a silhouette.*

CHAAAARRRRGGGEEEE!!!

[a2thezebra]

[Golden]

It's Friday

[Epignosis]

The Jawas are selling an item:

Jawa Jet Pack

A jetpack that allows you to travel farther than usual, this item doubles your night power, letting you target two players in one night phase. Jawas are unaffected by any night power used with this device. One-time use.

PM the hosts with your bids during Night 3. Highest bidder wins the item and may use it any time.

[nijuukyugou]

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone, whether or not you celebrate it I've been baking and traveling and cooking and eating and drinking all day, but I figured I'd at least pop in for a placeholder post of all I need to catch up with. And vote in this mystery poll. And then play board games.

Vacation is the shit

[Marmot]

Thanks for the votes everyone. I hope this brings positive things.

If this is anything like Talking Heads, Jay is going to come out of nowhere and whoop my ass though.

[Tangrowth]

First of all, Happy Thanksgiving Americans! Those of you not in America, what special holidays do you celbrate that are specific to your country?

Second, Why do I keep moving down one space each time you post a rainbow list MP? What do you have against me, huh?

Third, I really wish I knew what we were voting for in the poll. But ah well.

Your flip against zebra is unsubstantiated, and your continued insistence that zebra is bad at the expense of trying to form reads on other players is bothersome.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for the votes everyone. I hope this brings positive things.

If this is anything like Talking Heads, Jay is going to come out of nowhere and whoop my ass though.

Hopefully it's me instead of Jay.

Thanks to everyone who has voted for me as well!

I think...

[DrWilgy]

Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

[a2thezebra]

I'm gone for that long and there's less than ten new posts? For shame.

[Marmot]

Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

I think poison is a conspiracy theory in all games ever.

[DharmaHelper]

Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

[a2thezebra]

Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

Isn't the deadline already passed?

[Glorfindel]

I just wanted to thank Dr Wilgy for my single vote in this evening phase's poll. Your kindness is overwhelming

[Black Rock]

Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

It's not really my thing.

Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

They are not standard. I don't know how the poison works in this game.

I honestly DO NOT get it.

I honestly do not believe that you don't.

This entirely.

We are into night 3 and you still haven't convinced me you are good. Golden made me think for a bit but it looks like that was a waste of time.

And yes, I am guilty of tunneling.

[Tangrowth]

What other suspects do you have, BR?

[Dom]

Sorry guys-- this week has eaten my life. I work retail so RIP me. I'm headed off to work untilt he end of time again.

Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

Probably

Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.

what