STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2501

Matt, I'm not throwing a tantrum.

I am remaining entirely rational. Lynching me would not be a bad thing.

But also, Mac's case is him trying to get everyone to not believe he is on Team Hutt because he is 'so convinced' that I am, and people are buying it, and that bums me out.

After you lynch me, PLEASE LYNCH MAC TOMORROW.

#2502

#2503

Mac: is your case on Zebra being a hutt entirely dependent on Golden being one, too?

#2504

Golden, if someone were hypothetically going to go on a hunt for your role hints....where might they begin? Especially if this person happened to be rather obtuse and bad at picking up hints......

#2505

PS Matt - please take no offence by me calling him MattDougall once he sees my role.

I chose that because of his policy lynch Matt thing, not because of you at all.

Mac has been tinfoiling me for game upon game... always paranoid that I'm bad. I think it's kind of hilarious in one sense. He hasn't yet been bad with me to know that I would veto anything like the kind of conduct he is suggesting I'm bad for.

But in this game, I think he went from tinfoiling me (and having me on empire) to suddenly going after the Hutt theory because it was his best defensive move.

And if people continue to think his case is rational, I would ask people why on earth I'd just bus two teammates for the hell of it - because no, the suspicion had just come off Enrique before I put it back on. And I pushed Enrique ahead of Simon. And noone was after BC when I went after him.

The whole case is, literally, a case that 'golden is a stupid baddie', because I'd have to be to do what he claims I did.

@Canuck - I'm obtuse at picking them up too, I understand. How about just looking through my iso for who I trust and why, and see if you pick up any patterns. How about, my willingness to be lynched (not fear, as Mac tries to say it is, but complete willingness). If you pick nothing up, its not on you, and I'll be thankful for you trying.

#2506

That MattDougall thing went over my head. But I'm sure I'll get there.

Anyway Golden, I never take offense from you. I know we're besties

#2507

Hang on, I just realised that both sides of that bet are if Mac loses lol.

Oh well, he can call the stakes for me if he is right.

#2508

Also, Canuck, put aside the case for the moment.

You are the one who wrote my signature.

What golden are you seeing?

#2509

Golden wrote:And if people continue to think his case is rational, I would ask people why on earth I'd just bus two teammates for the hell of it - because no, the suspicion had just come off Enrique before I put it back on. And I pushed Enrique ahead of Simon. And noone was after BC when I went after him.

Question - Are you under the impression that the Hutts knew Enrique was Greedo?

#2510

Matt wrote:
Golden wrote:And if people continue to think his case is rational, I would ask people why on earth I'd just bus two teammates for the hell of it - because no, the suspicion had just come off Enrique before I put it back on. And I pushed Enrique ahead of Simon. And noone was after BC when I went after him.
Question - Are you under the impression that the Hutts knew Enrique was Greedo?

I think it is likely - sig talked about how it worked in the Dune game which epi hosted, and my case on enrique (which was correct) was founded somewhat on BC knowing his role. So I'm working on that assumption.

#2511

But did Enrique know who the other Hutts were?

#2512

Zebra, I'm only on page 30, but I notice you seem to go after Enrique, but then after a post of his, you say "Okay I'll take that into consideration", then you sus him again, then Canuckle makes a big post about good/bad guy reactions regarding Enrique as good, then you say "dammit I'm convinced".

Flip floppy?

#2513

Yes, flip-floppy as hell. All flips and all flops were justified IMO.

#2514

a2thezebra wrote:Yes, flip-floppy as hell. All flips and all flops were justified IMO.

Okey dokey.

Fyi, I'm on page 31 now. Reading kind of slow but I'd rather take it all in then skim the shit out of the thread before getting back into it.

I know I "voted" for DFaraday the other day, but what are people's opinion of him?

#2515

I forgot DFaraday was in this game.

Three questions:

1. Was Enrique aware of who the other Hutts are?
2. Was his poison claim legitimate and if so, who poisoned him?
3. What other ways might Crumb go about amusing Jabba besides in-thread "lol"isms?

#2516

Props on the slow reading btw Matt, I'm a lazy skimmer myself most of the time.

#2517

Question - Does anyone know why Glorfindel was replaced? I notice he seemed to get upset with some players and the way they talked to him.

If he was replaced because he simply didn't like the thread's conduct, then I would have to give him/SD the green light for now. I figure as Mafia with partners, he wouldn't be upset. But again, I'm not sure what happened.

Linki - I skim a lot when I'm actually current with the thread and need to catch up a few pages, but since it's 40 pages I'm reading, I'd figure I'd take it nice and easy.

#2518

It's notable that his last action before being replaced was another silent vote, this time on MacDougall. I don't know. He wasn't the most inactive player by a long shot at the time he was replaced, so I'd rather not speculate why. I will say that I still think he could've been bad even if he was genuinely upset at the thread's conduct.

I have 100 posts per page so this is Page 26 for me. :bass:

#2519

Golden that's pathetic. I spent 2 hours analysing that shit and stayed up until 3am and you just refuse to respond at all and expect us to believe it's because you just won't. It's because you can't. It's because you're caught.

Matt, read my breakdown posts. Same for everyone not named Zebra.

Zebra, you said "I look forward to Golden's response" but when he came back and support but when he came back and refused to do it you didn't so much as bat an eyelid. So much for looking forward to it.

#2520

That's because he didn't exactly respond. I'm not calling it pathetic but it doesn't provide me with any fresh insight into this conflict either. I also think I'm still going to be able to keep my sig banners.

#2521

I didn't know you liked me that much to have a banner of me thanks Zebra!

#2522

a2thezebra wrote:That's because he didn't exactly respond. I'm not calling it pathetic but it doesn't provide me with any fresh insight into this conflict either. I also think I'm still going to be able to keep my sig banners.

After all that. My breakdown of why he's scum, you not being able to dispute any of it. You still think he's civ. How the fuck?

#2523

Mac, do you think Enrique knew who his teammates were/are/whatever?

#2524

sig wrote:I didn't know you liked me that much to have a banner of me thanks Zebra!

lol it is on trial tho

MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:That's because he didn't exactly respond. I'm not calling it pathetic but it doesn't provide me with any fresh insight into this conflict either. I also think I'm still going to be able to keep my sig banners.
After all that. My breakdown of why he's scum, you not being able to dispute any of it. You still think he's civ. How the fuck?

Talk to me about Enrique. Just because I'm not disputing a connection as possible doesn't mean I can't doubt it in favor of my own (in my opinion more likely) ideas.

#2525

a2thezebra wrote:It's notable that his last action before being replaced was another silent vote, this time on MacDougall. I don't know. He wasn't the most inactive player by a long shot at the time he was replaced, so I'd rather not speculate why. I will say that I still think he could've been bad even if he was genuinely upset at the thread's conduct.

I have 100 posts per page so this is Page 26 for me.

I have never seen Glors scum game, but he generally doesn't like being scum. That could also explain his subbing out and not voting for either teammate (I think?)

Ik I wasn't asked this, but I'll answer anyway I don't think Enrique had BTSC, and am unsure if he was poisoned. Wouldn't it be funny if he was poisoned by the hutts?

#2526

Not BTSC I meant I don't think he knew who his teammates are.

#2527

Mac, can you answer my question to you, pretty pretty please?

#2528

MacDougall wrote:Golden that's pathetic. I spent 2 hours analysing that shit and stayed up until 3am and you just refuse to respond at all and expect us to believe it's because you just won't. It's because you can't. It's because you're caught.

Well, lynch me and lets find out if you are right, Mac.

Come on - just people lynch me.

You aren't right, I already made the defence yesterday, and making it again and again isn't going to help me or anyone else (including you).

Mac, I seriously mean this. I WANT EVERYONE TO LYNCH ME TODAY. AND THEN, I WANT THEM TO LYNCH YOU TOMORROW.

This isn't pathetic. This is me putting my money where my mouth is, literally. You are the one who 'wouldn't want it to be 1 v 1', and don't want people to feel like they have to do it that way. That's because you have something to lose in being lynched. I have literally nothing to lose in being lynched. And I believe the town can still win without me in the thread. But, I will be very disappointed if I am lynched today and then they back out of lynching you tomorrow. I'm putting my neck on the block so that people can see you for the smokescreen you are in this game.

#2529

And, you staying up till 3am to write a case....

This is exactly why I'm not going to read or respond to it. I don't have this kind of time right now, to be emotionally invested. I can't afford to get worked up that I spend time on it that I don't have. I've already let it go.

#2530

sig wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It's notable that his last action before being replaced was another silent vote, this time on MacDougall. I don't know. He wasn't the most inactive player by a long shot at the time he was replaced, so I'd rather not speculate why. I will say that I still think he could've been bad even if he was genuinely upset at the thread's conduct.

I have 100 posts per page so this is Page 26 for me.
I have never seen Glors scum game, but he generally doesn't like being scum. That could also explain his subbing out and not voting for either teammate (I think?)

Ik I wasn't asked this, but I'll answer anyway I don't think Enrique had BTSC, and am unsure if he was poisoned. Wouldn't it be funny if he was poisoned by the hutts?

Don't worry sig, my three questions are addressed for anyone who wishes to answer. We know Enrique didn't have BTSC because he was Greedo, but do you think he knew who his other teammates are?

And wouldn't it be funny indeed. Amusing, if you will.

linki - That isn't "literally" Golden. If it is, gross.

#2531

It's plastic money, it's all good.

#2532

Roxy wrote:Voting vixen that vexes her victims

That's interesting.

Zebra, have you been vexing people?

#2533

I think C3PO vexed roxy.

#2534

Golden wrote:I think C3PO vexed roxy.

Then a big F you to C3P0

J/k C3P0

Why do you think that Golden?

#2535

Matt please read my thorough read on Golden. Same for others.

Golden whatever I am trying my ass off to scumhunt and your read on me as bad is vague and laughable compared to mine. If anyones case isn't genuine it's clearly yours.

Also my analysis introduces more reasons and refutes your defenses so if you want to tow the same line as before read the post.

#2536

Read C3POs role.

I also do not think C3PO voted simon. So, I do not think Zebra is C3PO. So, I do not think Zebra vexed Roxy.

I can think of someone who may have chosen to vex Roxy, though.

#2537

Matt wrote:
Roxy wrote:Voting vixen that vexes her victims
That's interesting.

Zebra, have you been vexing people?

No sir.

#2538

Just looked at the roles list, so I see why.

However...

Matt wrote:Probably post pitifully per phases. More monologue Monday, methinks.

I'm pretty sure the player above has made a vote in every poll, so I'm not sure I agree with you Golden.

Linki - Will do, Mac. I have to start getting ready in about 15 minutes, but I'll skip ahead and read your stuff on Goldy when I get home.

#2539

@Mac - I'm not interested in reading or responding to your cases, or building mine on you, any more. I'm over it. At this point, if people want to choose between you and me, they should pick a horse and back it... and if the person they lynch is civ, they should lynch the other of us tomorrow. That's my sincere belief about how people should handle that.

And I think, if you were good, you'd agree, since you claim to sincerely believe that it would be guaranteed to net the town one baddie. I also think it would be guaranteed to net the town one baddie. And also kill me, but that bit I'm not so fussed about.

#2540

Canucklehead wrote:Mac: is your case on Zebra being a hutt entirely dependent on Golden being one, too?

Not entirely no. I don't have a case on Zebra other than the way she's been maintaining a civ read on Golden and the way she swooped in on his side when were first hashing this out. Also the way measured way she dealt with being on hand when I presented my case. Her confidence in Golden not being who I say he is could be because she knows who that is, which could be because she's bad. But I'd say I'm only 50% on her in any situation.

Canucklehead have you read the whole thing? Do you think Golden is bad?

a2thezebra wrote:Mac, do you think Enrique knew who his teammates were/are/whatever?

It doesn't say he doesn't know who his teammates are it just says they don't have btsc so I have no reason to believe he didn't.

#2541

I genuinely don't know if I'll be back to this thread before day end. Chances are I will find a way, because I can't help myself. But I wouldn't want to find myself lynched without a legacy post, so here goes.

I've left breadcrumbs. Please use them! I'm ok being lynched right now because I think if I am everyone will do the right thing. I hope my faith in you all is not misplaced.

My role won't make it clear why I should have believed so strongly that Mac is Team Hutt. Please, don't let that deter you. I can't put this strongly enough. If I am lynched today, don't sleep on Mac any longer. Don't let him say 'sorry' and 'RIP' and 'I was wrong'. Mac is not wrong about me. Mac is deliberately crafting a story so that you see him as genuine and can't see how he could be on team Hutt. I beseech you not to buy it.

And, if I'm still alive, well... I hope it's because you all lynched Mac.

Rainbow as it currently stands

Town read

Canucklehead
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
Bubbles
Russtifinko
zebra
elohcin
sig

Slight town read

Matt
DF
BR
Dom

Neutral

DrWilgy
Bullzeye
Bass
Luke
Marmot

Slight bad

Roxy
Sorsha

bad

Mac
Daisy[/quote]

#2542

Marmot is dead, Golden.

#2543

Golden wrote:Mac is not wrong about me.

Anyway, on that note, see ya all tonight!

#2544

Golden wrote: My role won't make it clear why I should have believed so strongly that Mac is Team Hutt. Please, don't let that deter you. I can't put this strongly enough. If I am lynched today, don't sleep on Mac any longer. Don't let him say 'sorry' and 'RIP' and 'I was wrong'. Mac is not wrong about me. Mac is deliberately crafting a story so that you see him as genuine and can't see how he could be on team Hutt. I beseech you not to buy it.

You are either completely bafflingly, maddeningly wrong, or you are just an expert manipulator and liar.

Golden if you're really worried why not just role claim.

#2545

Golden wrote:@Mac - I'm not interested in reading or responding to your cases, or building mine on you, any more. I'm over it. At this point, if people want to choose between you and me, they should pick a horse and back it... and if the person they lynch is civ, they should lynch the other of us tomorrow. That's my sincere belief about how people should handle that.

And I think, if you were good, you'd agree, since you claim to sincerely believe that it would be guaranteed to net the town one baddie. I also think it would be guaranteed to net the town one baddie. And also kill me, but that bit I'm not so fussed about.

Yeh but you see that's the thing, I'm civ so if we lynch you and I'm somehow wrong you're just calling for town to decimate itself.

I always maintain room in a read for doubt Golden. In this case it's the least doubt I've ever had but I always have doubt.

Anyway I'll make it easy for you.

Brian attacked you, you easily deflected it, scum read him and then absolutely manhandled him and made him look very bad on day 1. But you ended up town reading him out of that and then posting amusement posts. Distancing that backfired.

Brian was largely awol on day 2 and 3, so whoever his teammates are, especially the one who is required for him to be amused or dies, would at this point see it as a valid option to bus him imo. It's either him or Crumb really if he's going to be absent. Day 2 nobody died, day 2 he didn't lol at anybody, so whatever happened day 2 doesn't mean you're good. It just means that something occurred to make that mechanism not active. Could be anything. All the other stacked evidence far outweighs this.

Day 2 you town read him in a list.

Day 3 Brian made a legit accusation against bubbles being low effort and somehow you built a quick case out of it enough to scum read him and then not long later get your vote on him under a false representation of you needing to do it because you thought Alderaan might blow up, all without him even replying... You went from having him green in a reads list to calling him scum because he questioned bubbles for low posting making a strawman argument that him questioning the bass lynch is one and the same even though he was just scolding bubbles, not actually voting for him ... and then a bunch of others got their votes in and got him lynched all in a very short space of time. Zebra basically self preservation voted (she was almost lynched), Niju, Sorsha and Metalmarsh were the other voters. I will take a look at them too. Well Metalmarsh is dead so no point there, but the others. I think it's important to note that Brian was lynched over Zebra, not Enrique on day 3. I don't believe Golden was to know that shit was going to hit the fan so bad for Enrique on day 4.

Again, you're the only person who amused Brian. You wrote his name in a meme. You're the one who looks most likely to have bussed him when he was being lurky which I actually think makes a lot of sense when you realise that Jabba's amusement is a requisite for Crumb being alive, the longer Brian is alive the more likely that Crumb is eventually just outed by sheer weight of lols. Even all that aside, there is thread evidence for you distancing and backing off when you make him look bad. For you bussing him by producing a case out of thin air... There's a lot going against you, and for you to hand wave it away by just calling me bad is probably the worst defense I've ever seen. One I'd expect out of a scum with a decimated team tbh.

If you think I as a bad guy am capable of creating such a thoroughly indicting case against a civilian version of yourself, then you overrate me vastly. Sure I'm capable of getting a civ lynched (fuck sometimes it feels like it's easier that way) but I don't think I've ever built such a thorough case based on thread evidence on anyone in any game ever. For me to be able to do this as a bad guy ... I just couldn't. I wouldn't have the attention to detail required to create it. I am a shifter as scum. I put my vote in tactical places, agree with the right people, argue with the right people. I'm not a case creater as a bad guy unless there are rogue elements or other scum teams for me to hunt, but in this case you're adamant that I am a Hutt ... well for me be a Hutt means that I'd be hunting Empire, but here I am hunting you as a hunt, but that's not even the point because you outright think my case is non genuine when it could be civ or bad guy scum hunting and you haven't even entertained the idea that I am Empire at all.

And your reaction to this is actually the worst part. You're basically just saying I am bad with fuck all reason to say that, that I have concocted this web of lies (read my posts, do they make sense?) and I am your bottom bad guy read because of this. That my case on your is carefully crafted and non genuine. He's bad let's 1 v 1. Let's just 1 v 1. Lynch me cuz he bad. I'm not reading your posts anymore ner ner ner. Like seriously dude I would expect you to do this if you are scum with no argument against the facts but if you are actually a civilian you've gotta have an argument beyond he bad ner ner ner ner surely.

Yes fine 1 v 1 us. If he flips civ well he's done a damn good job of looking like a bad guy.

#2546

Golden wrote:I genuinely don't know if I'll be back to this thread before day end. Chances are I will find a way, because I can't help myself. But I wouldn't want to find myself lynched without a legacy post, so here goes.

I've left breadcrumbs. Please use them! I'm ok being lynched right now because I think if I am everyone will do the right thing. I hope my faith in you all is not misplaced.

My role won't make it clear why I should have believed so strongly that Mac is Team Hutt. Please, don't let that deter you. I can't put this strongly enough. If I am lynched today, don't sleep on Mac any longer. Don't let him say 'sorry' and 'RIP' and 'I was wrong'. Mac is not wrong about me. Mac is deliberately crafting a story so that you see him as genuine and can't see how he could be on team Hutt. I beseech you not to buy it.

And, if I'm still alive, well... I hope it's because you all lynched Mac.

Great catch Matt, you seriously just caught a scum slip in the wild.

Seriously, how/why would a civilian Golden say "Mac is not wrong about me". It's not a typo, he thought he was being clever by saying I'm not wrong I'm manipulative, but he literally said "Mac is not wrong about me." Surely a civilian defending himself doesn't type that out and let it go, that's a red faced angry scum slip because he hit the enter key too fast.

What exactly am I crafting Golden. Crafting indicates I am producing a story. All I am doing is looking at what happened in the thread and pointing it out. That's not crafting, that's looking. And how does any of this have the end goal of me trying to not look Hutt? Are you saying that I am bussing you? Really? Are you trying to plant a seed of doubt in towns mind that I have actually bussed you when you flip Hutt?

#2547

I don't think I've ever had a town read on mac expect for in Dune when I was the scum team. This game I do have a town read on him, I think he is being genuine in his reads. Having said that I'm also confident Golden isn't a member of either mafia team. I really don't have much more to add.
@Zebra No I don't think Enrique new who his teammates were.

#2548

Matt wrote:
Golden wrote:Mac is not wrong about me.

Anyway, on that note, see ya all tonight!

To say he was wrong requires him to be genuine in his case.

He is not genuine in his case.

He is not wrong. He doesn't actually believe I'm bad. He will want everyone to believe he was merely wrong. That would be a lie. He is team hutt. He is making a calculated gambit.

#2549

MacDougall wrote:Golden if you're really worried why not just role claim.

I'm not in the slightest bit worried. I've told you, I'm happy to be lynched. Why do you keep insisting I'm worried?

#2550

Lynching is the best possible role claim there can be

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