[END] Arrested Development Mafia

[DrWilgy]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

[Marmot]

I'm not asking you to defend yourself or keep up with me post-for-post. Not sure where you got that impression. I'm merely asking that you contribute something. I'm trying to get you into the game.

I'll see what I can do.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip, answer me this one:

Considering Wilgy did put out Sloonei as his n0 peek, wouldn't he (and his teammates) specifically have tried to avoid a situation where Sloonei was lynched d1, to avoid this exact conundrum because he wouldn't be killed n1?

Maybe. Maybe not.

[Tangrowth]

I'm not asking you to defend yourself or keep up with me post-for-post. Not sure where you got that impression. I'm merely asking that you contribute something. I'm trying to get you into the game.

I'll see what I can do.

Even the littlest observation or gut feeling can at least give us something, so just give me whatever, literally anything you can think of. You have good insight, for one. We need something by which to be able to judge your alignment, for two.

I don't want civilians losing this game because they can't pick up steam, and you're not the only one right now that's not hunting to full potential. I'm just trying to motivate you into action.

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

[Marmot]

And if you're wondering why I broke the lynch tie, it's because I think it's our prerogative to decide who gets lynched, not a coin's.

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

It's a Cop claim.

[Tangrowth]

What does everyone think of Ricochet?

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

How did you reach the conclusion that MP is civ?

It's a Cop claim.

Did he say this earlier?

[Tangrowth]

Daisy, Wilgy threw out a peek on n0, but hasn't explicitly claimed cop; it can be implied through his behavior though.

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

[Elohcin]

I think TH's theory on Wilgy is a good one. I also think that MP's theory on TH is a good one, TH's being slightly stronger than MP's. SO...when I say this next concern, I am not discrediting either theory.

Think back to what MP was saying about green peeks being cleared by the mafia looking for the cop. The mafia would want to kill a person whose green peek was accurate, because otherwise they would know it's not the real cop. So if the mafia had decided to take out DrWilgy thinking he was the cop, there would be no downside to killing him... because even if he wasn't the cop, his green peek (Sloonei) was already dead. Ergo, no one alive would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" (seer = cop).

There's really no reason for them not to kill Wilgy last night unless he's bad or it's an elaborate frame job.

Reread your posts, TH, and this is an excellent point!

I'm sold for now, but if you are wrong, I'm coming after you next. I'm wary of thread-steering.

MP, I am similarly nervous about TH, but I am willing to give him a day to see how his Wilgy suspicion turns out.

Llama comes in and says, Yo, I agree with TH and Yo, I agree with MP. Then he gives nothing else. Is he busy? Is he engaged in another game which has more of his attention? Is he bad and not caring about doing any baddie hunting? I don't know. But its something to consider as well. If you're civ, llama....help out your team, yo.

[Tangrowth]

Elo, your suspicions have seemed relatively opportunistic this Day period. When suspicion seemed to be forming around Daisy, you pushed heat on her, without committing to it. Now since Turnip has thrown some heat on Llama for the posts you highlight there, you now are pushing some heat on Llama, without committing to it.

What gives?

[Marmot]

What does the list of peeks look like?

I know I haven't offered any yet. I don't think it'll do any good to offer one now though.

Linki: I think that Ricochet much moreso than anybody, is going to have a difficult time playing this game. Posting 1.4k times in the GoC and then losing. He hasn't shown his face since the game ended yesterday.

[Turnip Head]

What does everyone think of Ricochet?

I have no opinion at all, and will wait for him to be replaced.

[Spacedaisy]

I'd like to hear it from him if you please. Wilgy, is MP your N1 cop claim, then?

MP, I disagree regarding Elo, her recent post regarding Llama makes me actually feel better about her. If she was just being opportunistic, she would have hung onto the two stronger cases rather than present a third.

[Tangrowth]

Metalmarsh (and everyone else), here are n0 peeks:

Previously on Arrested Development:

The mafia fail at finding the cop, killing someone who didn't even throw out a green peek.

Suddenly, another manuscript fell out of thin air, containing the following notes:

List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

n1 peeks include:

DrWilgy - MovingPictures07
MovingPictures07 - G-Man
Ricochet - G-Man
Turnip Head - Sorsha

Both of my peeks have been rescinded.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei is returning to the game to replace Ricochet. I will not place any restrictions on when he may be lynched/killed. He will be added to the player list as "Sloonei 2"

[Tangrowth]

Welcome, Sloonei 2.0!

[Spacedaisy]

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

[Tangrowth]

Anyone else have any rainbows they want to lay out there?

[DrWilgy]

Elo, your suspicions have seemed relatively opportunistic this Day period. When suspicion seemed to be forming around Daisy, you pushed heat on her, without committing to it. Now since Turnip has thrown some heat on Llama for the posts you highlight there, you now are pushing some heat on Llama, without committing to it.

What gives?

The exact same thing I stated yesterday.

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

Idk, maybe everyone claimed civs as civs correctly and they didn't want to reveal anyone as civ.

Any other theories are WIFOM at this point.

Linki - I'll let you figure it out on your own Maebel. (of course it does, why are you making me state it instead of figuring things out yourself?)

Linki linki WB Sloon. Now let me catch up!

[Turnip Head]

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

[Tangrowth]

I'd like to hear from Sorsha as well.

[Spacedaisy]

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

I think you defeat the purpose of pressure votes when you answer on behalf of someone else.

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I'm not sure what to do. I was going to vote Sorsha, but Wilgy has voted her too. And he has given a peek that has been confirmed correct. It would make me want to vote Sorsha even more under normal circumstances but given the fact he wasn't killed by the mafia I don't feel I can trust him yet either. Argh

If that's why you're unsure, I'll let you know that I am too. Sorsha jist fits the bill as a player that wouldn't kill me based on my claim. Zebra is dead, MP is civ.

Back to catching up now.

Why wouldn't Sorsha have tried to kill a Cop target who wasn't you then? That would give her the chance to take out the cop while still making you look bad.

Idk, maybe everyone claimed civs as civs correctly and they didn't want to reveal anyone as civ.

FWIW I did mention this possibility but it's counterproductive to the mafia's goals. They'll have to start cop hunting eventually.

[Marmot]

Welp, now my thought is moot.

[Turnip Head]

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

What do you think of my retort to that notion? She could have hit a cop claimer and Wilgy would have looked just as bad.

I think you defeat the purpose of pressure votes when you answer on behalf of someone else.

You're not taking into account the fact that Sorsha was my peek and she currently has more "pressure" votes than Wilgy. And tbh if she made this statement on her own behalf it would just be WIFOM.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is returning to the game to replace Ricochet. I will not place any restrictions on when he may be lynched/killed. He will be added to the player list as "Sloonei 2"

Oh heavens me, I'm just a simple house maid, I certainly wouldn't know how to catch bad guys. Who'd like a banger in the mouth?
Actually, I have a confession to make... *removes wig and nose* It's me, Tobias! Now I understand that I perhaps had a misleading way of talking and that got me in some hot trouble with a few of you all so I've brought a friend along who can maybe help us better communicate. Everyone say hello to Franklin!

HEYY BROTHERS!

i... i've lost all control. Hi, it's good to be back.

[Tangrowth]

[Tangrowth]

Sloonei 2.0, what do you have to contribute to discussions that have occurred since your former's death?

[Spacedaisy]

They both currently have two pressure votes. So she doesn't have more than him. And you are answering for more than just Sorsha. If I ask a question of someone and you jump in and answer it, I find that suspicious. Let them answer for themselves. I don't put much interest in WIFOM to be honest, it is an argument that could be argued to defend any side. Sometimes hearing someone's tone can make a difference in a read, which is why I wantd answers from them. But you've made it pointless now.

[Spacedaisy]

Voting Wilgy

[Turnip Head]

The time for pressure votes has passed if you ask me. Lynch ends in 45 minutes. Lines must be drawn.

linki @ Daisy: She had 3. Sorry if I made it pointless but I was just repeating what I had already said. I'll try not to interfere in the future but I think I made a good point.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei 2.0, what do you have to contribute to discussions that have occurred since your former's death?

Well I'd like to wrap myself around Buster (Turnup Head) first of all, but I've been busy cleaning since you all blue me out of here last time. I hope I can get back to you before it's too late.
In the meantime, who would like to tell me why the poll seems to indicate I should choose between my darling wife and my mother-in-law?

[Sloonei]

pretend i know how to spell turnip

[DrWilgy]

Elo, I agree that there's not much in Wilgy's ISO. I did get the same feeling you did with how he went back and forth on Llama. It didn't feel particularly genuine, more like an illusion of participation. He also did nothing to save his green peek, he voted off all the main wagons. He wasn't around the final 3 hours of the lynch, but then again I've seen bad Wilgy intentionally avoid the thread during such times before, so who knows.

I was at a Smash bros tournament. Fuzz can vouch

General thoughts now that I caught up.
Llama and Rico is chaosing the thread while not contributing much. Eloh is still going "mmm... Okay" towards just about everything. I don't know if I believe that she actually read over me or not. After I flip don't lynch Turnip Head, that would be dumb.

I'd be down for any of these players getting lynched based on the theory - I'm not dead because mafia are screwing around - All these players fit the bill. Eloh especially so based on her consistent easy votes.

Based on the theory - It's an elaborate frame, or they aren't afraid to not cop hunt - Sorsha fits the bill rather kindly. Supports bandwagoning, was on the Sloonei ship as it sunk. Is aware of my cop shenanigans.

[Tangrowth]

I don't know what to do.

[DrWilgy]

Hmm... How interesting would it be if Sloon 2.0, Llama and Elo were all on the same team and all voted together last cycle?

[Sloonei]

Zebra and Sloonei explain your votes please and thank you.

It was an unserious OMGUS vote, but then you went and said this:

Anyways I think it's interesting that you came to such a strong conclusion based on one post, apparently without reading my other posts. I would appreciate it if you based your vote on all my gameplay so far (and explained that gameplay from a baddie mindset), rather than picking one post out and attaching a one-track narrative to that single post.

Which was exactly my thought earlier when you posted this:

Spoiler: show

Well, I recommend that some peeps try to be more subtle with their "checks". I was just lazy and wanted to be conspicuous to get the ball rolling. A healthy mix of obvious claims and more subtle ones should make it difficult for the mafia to find the real cop.

Even if I am the cop, my G-Man check might have been fake. If so, I will leave clues as to who I really checked.

are votes changeable?

Did you not bother to read the rules?

On the next... Arrested Development:

Buster starts a gambit to catch the traitor... but as to be expected, it is contrived in execution, warranting suspicion from the authorities. Turnip Head

What's contrived about it? "Contrived" is the word I'd use to describe Sloonei's post. If he wanted to know if votes were changeable, why didn't he read the rules to see? It's literally the first one.

The question seems to have been asked for the sake of asking it, or to telegraph his next move, as if to say "I'm going to vote right now, but I want everyone to be aware that it can be changed and that I am aware it can be changed". I've asked meaningless questions early in games when I've been bad before, to appear like I care about the game, which is why it caught me eye.

You are attempting to dismiss Egg's case by saying she is reading too much into one single post, which is without question exactly how you ended up on your own vote against this humble, blue Actor.

"Without question" eh? Only a Sith deals in absolutes. But I'm considering your whole ISO with my vote. I see you only making snide remarks and engaging posts on a surface level. The snark is out of character for Tobias, and it's out of character for the civvie Sloonei I (very briefly) saw in Econ Mafia, who was level-headed, discerning and analytical. You encouraged everyone to vote early, now we have a spread out vote, and you mocked the only person who said that wasn't in the civs' interest. What have you learned about the game from the early spread out votes? Who do you suspect, other than me for having the audacity to vote for you?

Is someone picking on my Buster?

Please don't let them ship me off to army Mother...

I wanted very badly to respond to this post in my past life but I couldn't because I was at work, which in itself is a part of my response. I worked all day every day from the start of the game until the point I was lynched. I had almost no time to engage. Having said that, there also wasn't a whole lot for me to engage with. What little I was able to, Turnip dismisses as me "making snide remarks" which I assume refers to my criticism of his vote for me. That was a sincere critique and I stand by it. Turnip's Day 1 behavior seemed, and still seems, shaky to me. He latched on to me as a target early on for something very innocuous (I missed the rule that states votes were changeable, and he construed this to be some sinister ploy on my part) and then stuck with that case to the very end. This post here is really his only other attempt to address a case on Past Me. He makes reference to me not engaging enough, which is true but I've already addressed this and i don't even need to, you all know what my role was. But the point is this seems like a very weak case that Turnip seemed to stick strongly to without (from what I noticed) entertaining many other options. That is scummy behavior to me.

His final point saying I was mocking him is also a misrepresentation of what I was really saying. I was critical of his post because he announced that he wanted to help un-spread the tally, and then proceeded to vote for me, a player without any votes at the time thus further spreading the tally. I am in complete agreement that a spread out, unfocused tally is not desirable as the Day gets along, but I also believe that early pressure votes all over the place are a good thing early in the day. I've been wanting to make this post for three days and it went on longer than I intended. I'll make a last minute effort to get caught up.

[Turnip Head]

Sloonei I'm sorry I helped get you lynched, but as Day 1's go it was the best I could feel good about. I didn't entertain other options because I didn't really have other options, it was a particularly unproductive Day 1 and I held you slightly accountable for that. Maybe I tunneled you but at least I put myself out there.

MM has already admitted that he switched his vote off of you as soon as I voted for you, so that point is moot.

[Tangrowth]

So why aren't we lynching Metalmarsh?

[Tangrowth]

Metalmarsh

[Sorsha]

Ok, quick attempt to catch up during lunch break.

It's possible one of these peeks is real. So why did all of these votes land like this?

That vote cycle was dumb dumb dumb dumb. That is my question as well.

Sorsha, are you trying to threaten me binto bandwagoning? I'm going to vote where my baddie senses are tingling unless I need to save my self.

Previously on Arrested Development:

The mafia fail at finding the cop, killing someone who didn't even throw out a green peek.

Suddenly, another manuscript fell out of thin air, containing the following notes:

List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

DrWilgy should have been killed last night. If he flipped vanilla, no one would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" because Sloonei was already dead. His peak was the only one confirmed to be 100% true. DrWilgy, as a baddie, stood to gain the most by the mafia taking out a non-cop target.

Ok I understand now. This makes alot of sense but I'm not scum. Thinking about it, I have no Idea why I wasn't killed, unless they didn't believe my claim whatsoever... Which would line up with the players that voted Sloonei yesterday. Another point, is that I have fake claimed cop in a previous game and maybe they thought my claim was fake based on this. A last point as to why I may not have died is because my day 1 peek was my husband. Maybe they thought it was too much of a coincidence and ruled it out.

Players here that played with me the game I fake claimed were MP, Sorsha, and Zebra.

Sorsha also happens to be a Sloonei voter.

That's as far as I got catching up. I'll continue reading when I'm back from work. That'll give me 2 hours before EOD to catch up.

Not threatening you to bandwagon but it's strange that you had a vote on love then were going back and forth between eloh and llama as who to vote for. You settled for eloh, the player with no votes. I think you were just trying to keep your hands clean and stay out of the lynch of a civ... Or a Mafia teammate.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm switching my vote yo MM as well. There is still a chance Wilgy might be the cop.

[Sorsha]

I went ahead and voted Sorsha, I wish to hear from her. What do you think about Wilgy's assertion that you would kill Zebra to frame him?

It's silly. If I were Mafia and I thought wilgy were the cop I'd kill him.

Plus, I wouldn't kill zebra because, as it's been pointed out, he was just killed night one in the last game he played.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei I'm sorry I helped get you lynched, but as Day 1's go it was the best I could feel good about. I didn't entertain other options because I didn't really have other options, it was a particularly unproductive Day 1 and I held you slightly accountable for that. Maybe I tunneled you but at least I put myself out there.

MM has already admitted that he switched his vote off of you as soon as I voted for you, so that point is moot.

Why are you currently voting for Wilgy?

[Sorsha]

TH are you keeping your vote on wilgy?

What's the word on mm? Why does he have votes?

[DrWilgy]

I revoke what I stated about Rico... er... Sloon 2.0.
- Rico's chaosing the thread may have been fallout from the GoC and how much he had to invest there vs. here.
- Sloon 2.0 looks pretty chaos free, so let's keep'em!

I'd rather not die here, but if I do just listen to what I've stated. Sorry I had to out you so blatantly MP. *Throws an angry face at TH and Daisy*

Linki - Does my vote not make sense though Sorsha? Both Elo and Llama (from what I can recall, I haven't relooked in abit) just go "OOOH! Lovedelic is no lynching!!!" It was opportunistic, and way too easy. My vote on Love was just a pressure vote (that should have been obvious from the "until my question is answered part"). I felt more opportunism sprouting from Elo than Llama, and I think that can be seen even more so today based on her recent posts.

[Tangrowth]

TH are you keeping your vote on wilgy?

What's the word on mm? Why does he have votes?

He sealed Sloonei's vote on D1, and the vote was cast for unsubstantiated reasons.

He has contributed nothing to the game in terms of information, and he has peeked no one and is no one's peek.

I feel uncomfortable voting for you or Wilgy, the counterwagons, at this time.