Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[bea]

Because you're not cursed... there's nothing clear about that.

Then simply don't trust me on this, that's fine with me. I figured I'd catch a bad guy red handed in Turnip today, but nobody wants to hear it.

I have two relatively strong cases on Typhoony and MP, but nobody wants to hear those either so there you go.

I missed those as I can't recall them off the top of my head. That fault is solely mine. Keeping up is a task for me, backtracking and ISOing and stuff is damn near impossible for me. But if you could point the way or reiterate, it would be appreciated.

[ekeknat]

i was here earlier this morning but at this point i've missed like ten pages - just wanted to confirm there's no, like, conspiracy role that's eating all the lurkers, or if there is, it hasn't eaten me.. i just don't really want to get in the middle of things, lol. sorry if that's frustrating. i am at the least keeping track of things

[bea]

But if you're really trying to say that Glorfindel is Two-Face then I don't see a problem, he can win with the civs and strikes me as the kind of person who'd want to.

Now if I had just said "oh look guys, Glor said the word "two" in his first post, he must be Two Face!", I can see what you mean by your post previous to this.

But "twin forces of evil", "second guessing myself", "of two minds", not to mention the recent post of his where I was originally suss of him for "coin flip", c'mon now Bullz.

Also, I'm not even necessarily advocating a lynch of Glor, but he laughed me off and then said "I expect more from you Matt" so I gave him more.

While I do appreciate that you did give him more, I have to say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I mean, I get role hints happen, but this feels like you are forcing a hint in for the sake of saying they were hinting a role that tbh, if I had, there's no WAY I'd hint to having. Of course, that's just me.

linki - eke!!!! you live!!!!

You can tell me what you think though. If you are keeping up... you don't have to jump right in and be all caught up on everything - just a few words. Some general impressions - what you think about tomorrow's lynch - anything would be helpful. Dip a toe in and I promise it will get easier as it goes.

[MacDougall]

Mac:

And you're the guy that gets to decide what is and what isn't huh MacNubby

Linki: That's an old joke

Sarcastic retorts are a traditional scum tell on every Mafia forum I've ever played on. "Backtracking can be" was a comment that revealed Bullzeye was just trying to paint me bad by any means necessary. If he had have said "what's with the overuse of the word thumbtack?" and I said "discussing household fastening objects isn't alignment indicative" he'd have said "oh but repeatedly using the word thumbtack can be *stinkeye*".

I've got plenty of you attacking me already so it's cool of you to pick the player with the most people attacking him for your next attempt to pretend to involve yourself in the game. Your credibility in this game is so shot to bits that you're probably doing me a favour by attacking me tbh.

Unless you're going to bring legitimate alignment indicative cases against me I'm not going to bother replying. What are you trying to do here aside from rile me up? You just trying to get me goat? Give me the collywobbles? Certainly no case making or attempts to solve the game in here.

"Pretend to involve yourself in the game"

Why are you trying to make out that my opinion on what Typhoony was doing here is representative of my feeling towards the entire thread?

[bea]

Who's up for a day 4 policy lynch of Matt?

old habits die hard?

[bea]

Tin foil hats here, get ya tin foil hats here.

Sometimes I forget how funny you can be DH. Thank you for that. I needed a good giggle.

Also - I'm drunk and my drinking hubby just caught his second wind. God help us all!!

[bea]

SVS gets a flu. Mac gets a flu. Bullz gets a flu. EVERYONE GETS A FLU.

This game is like evil Oprah.

I got the flu like 6 months ago and it never went away 100 percent then flaired back up again when my world came crumbling down during the champ game and now it's just back to I have the crud but I can function....

[MacDougall]

SVS gets a flu. Mac gets a flu. Bullz gets a flu. EVERYONE GETS A FLU.

This game is like evil Oprah.

I got the flu like 6 months ago and it never went away 100 percent then flaired back up again when my world came crumbling down during the champ game and now it's just back to I have the crud but I can function....

Sounds like mono.

[bea]

Again, take from it what you will. Like I told Enrique, you don't have to trust me on this, but for me to outright spell out what I think happened would most likely be against the rules.

Operative words. And why would speculation be against the rules?

Your tinfoil ideas may be correct now and then, but are quite frequently wrong. So, I find it hard to believe on blind faith that your conclusion here is correct. Especially since there is evidence that it is not.

Who's up for a day 4 policy lynch of Matt?

Do we need to have that argument again? Come to think of it, you weren't civ in that game, were you?

LMFAO you think I'm serious okay.

I think you were about as serious as I was with this post.

Damn it Lorab at least you could use this or this or sarc font.

Smileys are weird. I was using the to be funny and then we were teammates.

[bea]

Yeah but like, MP making it obvious doesn't have to be part of the curse. If the curse was "you have to vote for sig" then MP making it obvious could be just MP telling us so.

But the fact that he has mentioned it in every single post, says otherwise.

Yeah./ He even did an 'EBWOP' when he forgot. It suggests that he was forced to put it in every post.

I pointed that out already, DUDE!

but DUDE - isn't golden in catch up mode too? be nice. We all can't live in the thread.

[bea]

Not saying Dom abused strippers. Not at all.

Thats one for Dom's sig!

The speculation on Dom being less prickly, though, doesn't raise my eyebrow about Dom. I felt like he gets tense when he and Mac are exchanging pleasantries, and is normally relatively sedate and nice so all I'm seeing is normal Dom who hasn't had any recent exchanges with Mac.

I haven't really focussed on Dom this game... I don't have any sort of read on him, and 'nice, normal Dom', doesn't equate to a particular affiliation for me.

Now I really want to see that in Dom's sig.

I *think* what people are perciving as "prickly Dom" was when he had issue with the tone of the game (IE - things getting too personal, words being said - even in jest - that felt agressive) - and Dom being very Dom in his response. If you take that bit out, well....yea ...IDK. I have a general Dom feels like dom sort of read on him. That said - I have that on him regardless of allignment. When I hosted him as bad in Dr. Who - I said more than once I would have thought he was civ if I was playing the game. So yea. IDK how to read dom.

[bea]

So people seriously think that making mp say "sig is my #1 suspect" is something I'd do if I were the penguin?

Lmao nubs. Why the fuck would I do something shit like that? Explain to me why I would out myself in due time by giving them obvious posting curses? Please, humor me.

I'll await your answer and respond to whatever else is there when I get home.

I agree with this.

That's what I said too before typh was around. But like typh no one notices that lil ole bea didn't think typh could be penguin on that theory because typh does not = nub. It's ok.

[bea]

I'd also have to agree with whoever said that MP and Matt aren't helping anything by curse-posting so much.

Maybe curse posting comes with minimum limits. Everyone who has been cursed won't shut up.

I dunno. Matt's just a chatty cathy.
It does give credence to why MP was so involved suddenly and posting in only single responses per post...

I really feel like Matt's curse had an end goal with the changing plays, though. I know he can't comment on it without fear of some penalty or whatever, but I would have liked to see what he meant by "getting a hint to a location of an inmate"

TBH - I would have too. I am actually pretty sad I missed most of that day as I love me some Shakespeare. I would have had fun RT doing it. I know and everyone knows my catsup that I was into it.

I was wondering if the play titles themselves were part of a cypher. I could name plays but I doubt I would have been able to crack the code. I suck at codes. I'm good at Shakespeare.


Matt's Shakespeare curse actually reminded me of the WORST curse I ever had. It was to post only in quotes from the ghosts of Dicken's Christmas Carol. I had to work them in order too. Do you know how hard it was to quote a Ghost of Christmas Future who literally NEVER SPEAKS??!!! That reminds me....Someday Aces......some day.....

[bea]

TH has only voted for players that died on the same phase

bea as well if that matters.

I don't care for this Penguin craze. I feel like a few days ago I was getting berated for thinking the Penguin should be lynched if we had him, but now we actually have some solid Mafia leads, and everyone's making up excuses for anybody else to be the Penguin? The explanations that MP got poisoned and Matt either gets fucked with a lot or is a complete goofball settle fine with me. There's no evidence for anything like some of you are claiming, so why even do this? We lynched a baddie yesterday and then stopped their kill, I think we're a lot closer to getting Nero's teammate than anything we'll achieve by randomly focusing on the Penguin today.

I agree with this. Too much focus on the penguin.

If you had to guess, why do you think this is?

Enriqo suave can answer too since you quoted him and it reminded me I wanted to ask him that as well.

[bea]

100% serious question, can we lynch the people we think won't be modkilled

I personally think that Day 4 is a more appropriate time for this conversation than day 1 fwiw.

[DFaraday]

Hey, someone actually noticed me! Responses in whatever color that is.

Do we think that any of Nero's teammates would have jumped on him early without provacation?

Looking through some people that voted sig, I'm finding DFaraday fishy.

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Question to my voters yesterday (Dom, Mac, juliets, and DFaraday):
How likely are you to vote for me again tomorrow at this point in time?
Hypothetically if you don't vote for me, who would your vote go to right now?

1. Moderately unlikely. I don't agree with your stance, and it still feels unhelpful to the town, but I was in a hurry and slightly pinged by it. If any stronger suspicions arise I'll be voting for them instead.
2. Maybe Nerolunar, since his recent posts sounded like he was trying to encourage suspicion on SVS for missing the vote.

This is the first time he mentions Nero, bringing him up as a suspect early on when he hadn't much of any heat. This is the one thing that goes in DFaraday's favor. Why mention Nero, out of all the people her could have named as a potential suspect?

Because he seemed shady. I'm not really analyzing players in depth this game, mainly just going by what strikes me.

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Why would anyone try to engage discussion on what their role does? Almost nobody joined me, but I can´t see how that would have benefitted me at all if I was the Riddler, maybe except the possibility that you guys would have thought that I was not the Riddler.

I think it is a vague read for "Top priority lynch".

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Well

Well who?

Well, I don't even believe you to be the Riddler anymore based on Enrique's insane magical case where I am "bad because I targeted the Joker but you're not worth looking at despite saying I think we should lynch you", I believe you to be mafia, on Enrique's team.

Enrique did say it's possible Nero is the Joker. And if you were lynched and came back as a role with a night targeting ability, that would certainly lend credence to the Nero-as-Joker theory.

I do think the numbers heavily suggest that Matt is not a civ, especially since nobody seems to be silenced, meaning Montoya is an unlikely explanation.

This is where DFaraday seems like he might be defending a bit.

Nero complains that he isn't the Riddler. Matt comes in and calls out Nero to be mafia. Then DFaraday swoops in and brings up Enrique's theory that Nero might be the joker BUT BUT BUT then does a good job of waving the carrot on a stick back over to Matt during Day 2, suggesting Matt isn't town, and should be lynched to see if Nero is really the joker.
Ignoring Matt's claim that Nero is mafia instead of the Joker/Riddler.

Honestly, I thought the best way to get some leads instead of going in endless circles was to just lynch one of them and see what happens. I didn't want to say that because it sounds like a terrible strategy, and probably is.

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"That is a great idea. That way if someone targets him, then they will immediately know that who they targeted is the Joker and whenever they start posting in curses in the thread, everybody else will also know that they targeted The Joker... making it easy for them to lynch The Joker!"

Not that easy, since we're still debating whether that's even how the role works, and if that is what happened and Nero is the Joker, he's not as much of a prime lynch target right now as you would suggest.

As far as I can tell, these are the most plausible solutions based on what we know of roles and game mechanics:

1. Matt is a baddie/Inmate and targeted the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

2. Matt is Harvey Bullock or Batman and tracked the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

3. Matt is Harvey Bullock and tracked Nero, finding Nero to be a baddie/Inmate, but was then cursed by some other role.

As it stands, I find option number 1 the most likely statistically, but I'd be open to exploring number 3.

Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?

DFaraday keeps with this Joker theory, offering scenarios that Matt could be using to find Nero bad, but settling on the "statistics" that Matt is probably Bad.
"Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?" Is the grandstanding question he uses to size Matt up. I think this could be because DFaraday knew Nero was bad, and wanted to figure out how Matt knew.

I asked him that because his reason for suspecting Nero would help us figure out what was going on. If it was based on something that happened at night, I'd have felt even more strongly about the Joker possibility, but if was due to thread based evidence, I'd think better of Matt.

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I am shocked that people are choosing to vote for Nerolunar - a player who none of us are very familiar with - over sig, who is clearly demonstrating his baddie meta moreso than his civ meta, and who has openly advocated what the host has said is not in our best interest, even voicing suspecion (and because of this, pressured) of those who didn't follow his lead. I don't see how anything Nerolunar has done tops this, especially since we are unfamiliar with his meta.

I do have a bit of suspicion of Nero, but it seems like a lot of people are just jumping on him because it's convenient, which is seeming shady to me. If anything, Sig's recent comments are making me feel worse about him (I had no real opinion of him before).

DFaraday uses zebra's defense of Nero as a springboard. He says he's sorta suspicious of Nero, but puts the blame on the bandwagoners and the "convenience" of his vote. Throwing them under the bus even before the result of Nero's alignment. To further distance, he comes out of nowhere with a 'sig's comments make me feel like he's bad'.

I wasn't calling them out for their suspicion of Nero, I was calling them out for offering no real reason for their votes and blatantly just following the popular trend. I call that out in a lot of games, and in recent games have made it a point not to vote for popular options if I feel another case is better, regardless of the number of votes that player has. If that had been happening to someone else I would have brought it up as suspect just the same.

While we're at it, I'm still pinged by Sorsha and Juliet's votes. They felt super coattail-riding.

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Or are you just coming in, looking at the poll, reading someone's posts who has the most votes (and not the discussion about them), and deciding based on that?

And so you haven't seen me accuse you of making a really odd post that I really don't see how it could have come from an honest place.

Why Nero? Is that what your teammates told you to do?

That said, I'm voting Nero, as well.

What you're talking about here is literally what you just did.

No, it's not. I've mentioned my suspicions before, and have been considering a Nero vote since yesterday.

I have been reading the thread.

I don't think I've ignored anyone who has mentioned me.

So, I haven't actually done any of the things that I've described Bubbles doing.

Looking back over your posts, the only thing you said about Nero was that he might be the Joker, since Matt was hinting at that. Except Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker, and you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero.

*Voting sig*, since I think he looks worse right now, but LoRab isn't making me feel too good at this point.

He gets on LoRab's case for only claiming Matt is the Joker. Which is calling the kettle black, because that's ALL DFaraday has done concerning Nero.

This is a misrepresentation of my post. I pointed out that she had only briefly mentioned Nero specifically because she said she was looking at other players, and she singled out Nero as someone she's been considering. My point was to show that her suspicion of Nero and consideration of voting him was not apparent from her posts in the game, and it felt like she was trying to create the illusion of focusing on other players when she really had been more Bubbles-focused than she was claiming. This has nothing at all to do with my thoughts on Nero, which admittedly were not all that deep.
"Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker" -oh, so now he's giving credence to Matt's suggestions?

I thought it was pingy that LoRab only had one point to bring up against Nero, and it's the one that Matt denied. So while I was open to that possibility myself, I thought that LoRab mentioning just the one point without considering the other possibilities surrounding them felt like she was just picking something which stood out, even though Matt himself suggested other options.

"you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero" -defending again.

How is that defending Nero? I was calling LoRab out for saying she's been suspecting Nero without actually sharing much of that supposed suspicion. It wasn't about whether Nero was innocent, it was about LoRab's suspicion (or lack thereof).

He finally settles on sig, but not before feeling suspicious of LoRab, for doing exactly what he was doing.

Again, I was not suspicious of LoRab for doing things I was doing. If she wanted to consider the Joker angle, fine. I think I made abundantly clear that that was not what was suspicious about LoRab to me.

Nero's team wanted sig dead.

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

[MacDougall]

I believe Faraday tbqh.

[DFaraday]

I haven't caught up on the last few pages, but I do think there's merit to the Glorf as Two-Face case. Five posts out of his first ten mentioning variations on the word "two" strikes me as a little too coincidental. Having said that, I don't think Two-Face should be a priority.

Linki: Thanks Mac.

[bea]

I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."

This - so much this.

Again it's the - not a nub theory.

I don't know glorf from anyone. He's totes new to me. But I can't believe two face would actually role hint. What gain does two face have to role hint like at all??

[bea]

I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."

Are you saying Matt is wrong, because I think he's right. Glorfindel looks to be doing exactly that. It's pretty telling. I would argue though that Two Face is incredibly lynchable. His role is not civ friendly.

for me personally, it's again - how I'd play the role. If I had that role, there'd be no effing way I'd try to hint it. At least early game. I'd wait till I could smell where the win was going and then try to signal. two face is REALLY the most indy role of the inmates. He has the chance to win with both sides. Mac - if you had that role - would YOU signal you had it from the start of the game?

[MacDougall]

I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."

This - so much this.

Again it's the - not a nub theory.

I don't know glorf from anyone. He's totes new to me. But I can't believe two face would actually role hint. What gain does two face have to role hint like at all??

Well Matt pointed at out as though it was a reason not to lynch him. Maybe he expects people not to be worried about him.

Linki: No I would not.

[bea]

Lol at everyone assuming my behavior must be because I'm anti-town.

ARE YOU TYLER DURDEN?

I was kinda expecting "I'm the one who knocks" but this one is prolly more appropriate.

[Golden]

So people seriously think that making mp say "sig is my #1 suspect" is something I'd do if I were the penguin?

Lmao nubs. Why the fuck would I do something shit like that? Explain to me why I would out myself in due time by giving them obvious posting curses? Please, humor me.

I'll await your answer and respond to whatever else is there when I get home.

I agree with this.

That's what I said too before typh was around. But like typh no one notices that lil ole bea didn't think typh could be penguin on that theory because typh does not = nub. It's ok.

I noticed. It just made my point better to quote Typh.

[Golden]

TH has only voted for players that died on the same phase

bea as well if that matters.

I don't care for this Penguin craze. I feel like a few days ago I was getting berated for thinking the Penguin should be lynched if we had him, but now we actually have some solid Mafia leads, and everyone's making up excuses for anybody else to be the Penguin? The explanations that MP got poisoned and Matt either gets fucked with a lot or is a complete goofball settle fine with me. There's no evidence for anything like some of you are claiming, so why even do this? We lynched a baddie yesterday and then stopped their kill, I think we're a lot closer to getting Nero's teammate than anything we'll achieve by randomly focusing on the Penguin today.

I agree with this. Too much focus on the penguin.

If you had to guess, why do you think this is?

Enriqo suave can answer too since you quoted him and it reminded me I wanted to ask him that as well.

A mix. Some people genuinely want to hunt the indys. One cop wants the penguin dead. Mafia are better off with the convo focussed on the indys. Some people may just want to solve the game. I don't think the convo was inherently pointless, but it definitely became too dominant.

[Golden]

SVS gets a flu. Mac gets a flu. Bullz gets a flu. EVERYONE GETS A FLU.

This game is like evil Oprah.

I got the flu like 6 months ago and it never went away 100 percent then flaired back up again when my world came crumbling down during the champ game and now it's just back to I have the crud but I can function....

Oh, I caught a really bad flu with a horrible cough about 18 months ago and now every time I even catch a cold the horrible cough comes back. It's so awful.

[bea]

Lol at everyone assuming my behavior must be because I'm anti-town.

Hmmm are you hinting at something my bretheren?

I'm not hinting at anything; I just think it's closed minded to conclude that my behavior must be anti-town, because it's not. I've had a very clear reason for every sta nce (or lack thereof) or action I've taken this game.

And I really was lost and disengaged, I just have played it up quite a bit.

Now I'm sad because I've heard you echo so many thoughts I KNOW you know I've had. And now I hear you are just playin' You hurt me MP. *cries*

linki - Golden - I know. Everyone talks about how bad it is this year and the best I can say is that mostly it never goes away but it's kinda manageable most of the time.

[bea]

Do we think that any of Nero's teammates would have jumped on him early without provacation?

Looking through some people that voted sig, I'm finding DFaraday fishy.

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Question to my voters yesterday (Dom, Mac, juliets, and DFaraday):
How likely are you to vote for me again tomorrow at this point in time?
Hypothetically if you don't vote for me, who would your vote go to right now?

1. Moderately unlikely. I don't agree with your stance, and it still feels unhelpful to the town, but I was in a hurry and slightly pinged by it. If any stronger suspicions arise I'll be voting for them instead.
2. Maybe Nerolunar, since his recent posts sounded like he was trying to encourage suspicion on SVS for missing the vote.

This is the first time he mentions Nero, bringing him up as a suspect early on when he hadn't much of any heat. This is the one thing that goes in DFaraday's favor. Why mention Nero, out of all the people her could have named as a potential suspect?

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Why would anyone try to engage discussion on what their role does? Almost nobody joined me, but I can´t see how that would have benefitted me at all if I was the Riddler, maybe except the possibility that you guys would have thought that I was not the Riddler.

I think it is a vague read for "Top priority lynch".

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Well

Well who?

Well, I don't even believe you to be the Riddler anymore based on Enrique's insane magical case where I am "bad because I targeted the Joker but you're not worth looking at despite saying I think we should lynch you", I believe you to be mafia, on Enrique's team.

Enrique did say it's possible Nero is the Joker. And if you were lynched and came back as a role with a night targeting ability, that would certainly lend credence to the Nero-as-Joker theory.

I do think the numbers heavily suggest that Matt is not a civ, especially since nobody seems to be silenced, meaning Montoya is an unlikely explanation.

This is where DFaraday seems like he might be defending a bit.

Nero complains that he isn't the Riddler. Matt comes in and calls out Nero to be mafia. Then DFaraday swoops in and brings up Enrique's theory that Nero might be the joker BUT BUT BUT then does a good job of waving the carrot on a stick back over to Matt during Day 2, suggesting Matt isn't town, and should be lynched to see if Nero is really the joker.
Ignoring Matt's claim that Nero is mafia instead of the Joker/Riddler.

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"That is a great idea. That way if someone targets him, then they will immediately know that who they targeted is the Joker and whenever they start posting in curses in the thread, everybody else will also know that they targeted The Joker... making it easy for them to lynch The Joker!"

Not that easy, since we're still debating whether that's even how the role works, and if that is what happened and Nero is the Joker, he's not as much of a prime lynch target right now as you would suggest.

As far as I can tell, these are the most plausible solutions based on what we know of roles and game mechanics:

1. Matt is a baddie/Inmate and targeted the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

2. Matt is Harvey Bullock or Batman and tracked the Joker, getting cursed as a result.

3. Matt is Harvey Bullock and tracked Nero, finding Nero to be a baddie/Inmate, but was then cursed by some other role.

As it stands, I find option number 1 the most likely statistically, but I'd be open to exploring number 3.

Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?

DFaraday keeps with this Joker theory, offering scenarios that Matt could be using to find Nero bad, but settling on the "statistics" that Matt is probably Bad.
"Matt: Why do you suspect Nero?" Is the grandstanding question he uses to size Matt up. I think this could be because DFaraday knew Nero was bad, and wanted to figure out how Matt knew.

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I am shocked that people are choosing to vote for Nerolunar - a player who none of us are very familiar with - over sig, who is clearly demonstrating his baddie meta moreso than his civ meta, and who has openly advocated what the host has said is not in our best interest, even voicing suspecion (and because of this, pressured) of those who didn't follow his lead. I don't see how anything Nerolunar has done tops this, especially since we are unfamiliar with his meta.

I do have a bit of suspicion of Nero, but it seems like a lot of people are just jumping on him because it's convenient, which is seeming shady to me. If anything, Sig's recent comments are making me feel worse about him (I had no real opinion of him before).

DFaraday uses zebra's defense of Nero as a springboard. He says he's sorta suspicious of Nero, but puts the blame on the bandwagoners and the "convenience" of his vote. Throwing them under the bus even before the result of Nero's alignment. To further distance, he comes out of nowhere with a 'sig's comments make me feel like he's bad'.

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Or are you just coming in, looking at the poll, reading someone's posts who has the most votes (and not the discussion about them), and deciding based on that?

And so you haven't seen me accuse you of making a really odd post that I really don't see how it could have come from an honest place.

Why Nero? Is that what your teammates told you to do?

That said, I'm voting Nero, as well.

What you're talking about here is literally what you just did.

No, it's not. I've mentioned my suspicions before, and have been considering a Nero vote since yesterday.

I have been reading the thread.

I don't think I've ignored anyone who has mentioned me.

So, I haven't actually done any of the things that I've described Bubbles doing.

Looking back over your posts, the only thing you said about Nero was that he might be the Joker, since Matt was hinting at that. Except Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker, and you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero.

*Voting sig*, since I think he looks worse right now, but LoRab isn't making me feel too good at this point.

He gets on LoRab's case for only claiming Matt is the Joker. Which is calling the kettle black, because that's ALL DFaraday has done concerning Nero.
"Matt has denied claiming Nero as the Joker" -oh, so now he's giving credence to Matt's suggestions?
"you haven't cited any reasons since for still suspecting Nero" -defending again.

He finally settles on sig, but not before feeling suspicious of LoRab, for doing exactly what he was doing.

Nero's team wanted sig dead.

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I really really really like this case.

I will of course wait for DF to come in and defend for as long as I can wait - but this makes a lot of sense. DF is a difficult read as he is a lower poster and it's hard to back track him sometimes.

[MacDougall]

He already did

[bea]

I mean, who gets a role that is anti-town 66% of the time and thinks "You know what's a smart idea, rolehinting as much as phyisically possible."

Are you saying Matt is wrong, because I think he's right. Glorfindel looks to be doing exactly that. It's pretty telling. I would argue though that Two Face is incredibly lynchable. His role is not civ friendly.

I think, if Glor was hinting, he would only do so "as a civvie".

Like DH said, why role hint so much as a bad guy? I think Glor is more "Harvey Dent" then anything else and I would personally oppose a Glorfy lynch.

wait - wot? werent you the one who was just a few pages ago pushing that he was absolutely 2 face - like a few pages ago?

Am I really stupid and don't see when your changes of thoughts happen? I feel like I'm stupid and I know I'm not. What the hell am I missing???

[MacDougall]

He thinks he's Two Face but he thinks he's civ friendly.

[bea]

Why exactly would you like to lynch me, Mac?

cuz you are weird mcweirdyson?

Like not bad - not town - totes not either. Weird MP who takes all my cranky at games and makes fun of them by saying he didn't mean them.

I would think if you were an inmate you would have picked a side.

[MacDougall]

bea - lover of cases. If you want bea to vote for someone throw a few quotes together and she'll love it.

Do you ever see a giant wall case that you don't like? That's what, the third or fourth time in this game that you've just agreed with one without eloborating or questioning it? Do you even read them or do you just agree out of politeness?

Bea I have a great case coming your way.

[Golden]

In terms of Scotty's case, I'd like to point out that the first post (the one where DF raised suspicion of nerolunar) was the only one of those posts from night one, before nero's team recruited. If DF is on that team, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the corrupt cop.

DF's behaviour generally was exactly what I'd expect to see out of a baddie teammate, and Scotty has articulated very well the thought processes that would sit behind those posts if he is on Nero's team. DF has also provided plausible alternate views of those posts.

So, I dunno... I could really see DF being on that team, even though his defence is really good.

[Long Con]

SVS gets a flu. Mac gets a flu. Bullz gets a flu. EVERYONE GETS A FLU.

This game is like evil Oprah.

I got the flu like 6 months ago and it never went away 100 percent then flaired back up again when my world came crumbling down during the champ game and now it's just back to I have the crud but I can function....

Sounds like mono.

Chemtrails. I'm pretty scared.

[MacDougall]

sabie12 had been seemingly having a great time just scratching around in the dirt like a speckled hen. Not really doing much, then out of the blue sabie decided to have a crack at some case building.

There's no link to me because I was a replacement so I guess Epi forgot to put me in. I am finding this whole Matt situation suspicious. Not sure why Enrique is all of the sudden out of nowhere changing his mind about him. Seems kind of weird. And why is Matt telling people to vote for him?

This is the sort of commentary that nub scum always make. Always emphasising their confusion. "Not sure... Seems kind of...".

Actually I feel as though there has been an entire day to respond but you haven't because you can't I guess. Shouldn't Matt be the one defending himself rather than someone else?

Here sabie continues pressing Matt.

I'm thinking I'm going to stick with the Matt vote. Today has been very confusing but Matt's posts even without the knock knock things were strange. Enrique all of the sudden changed his mind with not a great explanation regarding Matt, which is odd. Even though I have been keeping up I still find it difficult to figure out exactly what's up with the whole situation.

And here sabie votes for Matt, despite Enrique the case pusher actually changing his mind. Sabie's vote for Matt on this day was really unusual.

Now, where's sabie's Matt suspicion gone? Nubcivs get real tunnely imo when they get the scent of a scum. Evidently sabie did... but she completely dropped the suspicion of Matt. Because why? Because he started posting like Shakespeare? She didn't just drop suspicion, she has somehow managed to avoiding posting about or to him during this entire Matt kerfuffle.

Sabiescum y'all.

How bout it bea?

[bea]

Pretty sure I found Mac's breadcrumb.

do you believe it?

[MacDougall]

Pretty sure I found Mac's breadcrumb.

do you believe it?

He didn't find it.

[bea]

I think MacDougall's breadcrumb is bullsuit.

ok - so you did answer it. sorry - still catching up and drunk with my hubby. woot DRUNK WITH MY HUBBY!!!

[MacDougall]

I see that bea is not actually reading the posts as I am responding to her.

[bea]

Day 4 MP rainbow list:

Scotty

Turnip Head
Golden

Sorsha

S~V~S
bea
Dom
Lorab
Bullzeye
sprityo

juliets
Glorfindel
Metalmarsh89

DharmaHelper
Bass_the_Clever
DFaraday
Equivocate
Bubbles
TheFloyd73

Matt
ekeknat
Typhoony

sabie12
MacDougall
Enrique

I'd personally prefer to hear why you put peeps where you put them on your list. Specifically the peeps you put past green.

Who are you suspish of and why MP?

[bea]

Mac, I am not lynching anyone based on bullshit "clues" you won't reveal. I think the chance of him being any specific role is the same as anyone elses.

I have not seen Bwa ha ha MP yet, I don't think he is bad.

And it looks like TH is Swedish Cheffed, maybe? I got Swedish Cheffed in Muppets, and that looks like this.

@Matt, doh, lol. I forgot Typh had said that.

@Golden, what stuff,exactly?

Fortunately we don't need your vote because there's more than enough people who'd happily lynch him. So feel free to throw your vote away.

The irony.

You self voted.

Like I said, I have my reasons.

It's also apparent to me that many people would never stop suspecting me, and I thought my death was inevitable due to poison, so I've come to terms with my lynching quite a while ago.

This isn't Game of Thrones El Presidente. Because you came to terms with dying due to poison days ago doesn't explain why you would self vote at all. This explanation is like a poop moustache.

I have to say, I kinda agree with mac here.

especially if you magiaclly found the "go to the hospital" potential cure the next night phase that you magically "never thought of before."

I'm trying here MP - I really am, but you aren't exactly giving me a lot to go on or trust you for.

[MacDougall]

His name is El Presidente.

[bea]

There is a very specific reason I've self-voted. It's because I want to be lynched.

I've been provoking my lynch by saying suspicious shit for days on purpose.

If you want to be lynched why are you arguing with people coming up with reasons to lynch you that you yourself have caused? That's unnecessarily contrarian.

Because it's still a waste of time, and because I'm not an anti-town role. And I did not cause them all to begin with, I've largely only started chaos posting since it became apparent that I was going to catch suspicion for the Nero stuff and for my lack of engagement.

if you are not anti -town - then start being not anti-town.

If you want to live - live.

You know how to play the game. Play it. Or not. But don't tell everyone who votes you for not playing it how easy they are taking it for voting you.

You could - you know - prove them wrong and play the game.

I'm swamped as swamped can be and I'm still trying.

Just sayin...

[bea]

Well, part of the reason I thought that was the breadcrumb was due to this:

Zebra, how can something be indicative of baddie behavior if you can't identify a baddie motive for it?

Disingenuous

This overreaction is disingenuous.

Nah I'm role claiming Alfred.

The only other role claim I see in his posts during Night 2 is this:

Lol "he has questions that need answering"...

Except for tons of "I am Batman" posts.

I know Turnip Head is posting like the Swedish Chef but he made a very astute observation in his most recent post.

I have not had a hard time understanding Turnip Chef at all.

[bea]

Hmm.

I suspect Glor as Two-Face less and less everytime Bullz comes out of nowhere defending the guy.

You'll notice I also said we shouldn't lynch Typh if he's the Penguin. I just don't think we need to be wasting lynches on Arkham inmates that can easily be pro-civ.

That's the difference, I guess. I don't see Penguin as civ friendly (as some of you might) but I do see Two Face as civ friendly. Derp.

I think, generally, the arkham inmates should be taken out because that helps the cops (as a whole) and Wayne Manor, but I think Two Face is a special case especially considering who we think has that role. Lol I truly believe Glor would throw the game for himself to ensure a civvie win.[/quote

wait? wot???? matt.

Matt.

Matt.

Are you really saying that the Penguin who literally only has to live till the end of the game to win - with anyone. Is more of a threat than someone who only sometimes wins with the civs?? Given the fact that you think Glor would throw his role and sacrifice for the town win???

Why wouldn't you give the same thought to Penguin? He literally has to only live to win. Why is the Penguin more of a threat than the guy you think is two face who can literally win with the baddies at HALF the time given his win con?

This makes absolutely no sense to me. Like at all. Please explain cuz you read like total matt crazy man here.

[bea]

When Matt infers role knowledge or otherwise adamant conviction in an opinion he is wrong more often than he is right. He was adamant to the fault of the entire civ cause that I was mafia in Star Wars. His "knowledge" that Riddler is dead is probably just a strong belief that someone in particular was Riddler communicated as surety because he's Matt. That's not to say Matt can't find bad guys, he absolutely can, but when he gets tunnel vision it's usually incorrect. He's usually right when he isn't as convinced he's right.

And in my opinion Zebra was mafia. The case I made on her was lock and she didn't even bother refuting it because she couldn't. She could have explained why she didn't call him out "I didn't see that" instead she immediately went to "oh woe is me" poetry and indie claiming. Scum as fuck. She was so certain she wasn't dying that night that she even came into the thread and voted straight away. Did anyone see who she voted for btw?

Sorry about the vote, hosts. At least it's the first so you can start the poll over easily.

is my memory wrong or was it sig?

[bea]

I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?

Linki: TH were Bullzeye and myself speculating about Riddler's role even close to accurate?

at this point, I have to say - unless I miss something in the next few pages, I'm ok with this lynch.

I've tried to see a civ reason he could act the way he has - I have tried to plug him into an inmate role that would still be civ friendly.

I have to say - occum is starting to bare down on MP.

At this point I feel - if he's not willing to work for his survival, why should I?

[Tangrowth]

I don't really care to impress or persuade any of you with my play. That's not why I'm playing this game. I've tried my best to get engaged in this game, only to be met with millions of more posts and some attitudes I didn't really care for, on top of being poisoned. When I actually did try, I got caught up in the moment and voted for sig instead of Nero, of course what seems to have been a terrible decision.

Seems you're quick to cast the shade at me, bea, when you've hardly done any case building of your own. As to whom I suspect, that's what the rainbow list is for. The names near the bottom are the ones I suspect.

I can't get my head wrapped around this game; there are too many inmates and still too many posts. I can't be bothered to ISO and analyze. I don't want to and I don't have time to. I asked to be replaced, but considering there are four or five players with much less posts than me that would need to be replaced first still have not, I'm stuck in this game.

I'm just trying to have fun at this point, frankly. I stopped giving a shit about winning a while ago. Just lynch me already.

[bea]

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I like your case, Scotty.

I don't really get it. Maybe my comprehension skills are lacking. Not saying it's bad, but I legit didn't understand what he was getting at?

I'm seeing a lot of people just replying to wallpost cases in this game with things like "I like it"... or "this makes a lot of sense"... It's annoying me.

Though I have to say, this has been a very high quality game so far. Very impressive levels of analysis going on here. Lurkers notwithstanding.

df is particularly usually hard to read. I thought that Scotty pointed out where his few posts were defensive posts for Nero. And I typically never remember much from DF except that he's an involved low poster, I'm ok with hearing how this case is wrong in detail as well, but as I read it - it makes sense to me.

If you don't see it - tell me how. Please. Cuz he's one of the peeps I'm thinking of voting for - and if I should reconcider it, I'd like to know that I should.

[Tangrowth]

And bea, for someone who seemed so sure that mafia MP would never give up on his teammates and would give them the chance to bus him, you're quick to change your mind. Mac's right; you keep agreeing with case after case and your contributions are opportunistic at best.

You're definitely one to talk, since you're likely anti-town. I'm not.