Zodiac Mafia [GAME OVER]

#551

I think this is the weirdest game I've played.

Three baddies down but the game isn't over?

#552

three men walk into a bar

ouch

#553

By the way, that was rude as heck.

I would be inclined to vote for Bullzeye. He was incredibly defensive against my question yesterday which I didn't like. He even tried to label it as 'random voting' although it was clearly not. His truly random vote on Day 1 is still a significant ping for me.

I am not seeing Epi in the same light as everyone else, especially now. I feel like Wilgy was extremely unreasonable in the way he interrogated and still voted for Epi. I guess this explains why.

#554

sig wrote:Okay so some quick thoughts before the night ends. Right know I'm reading Llama as a civ he shouldn't be lynched. After reading everything over Bull's does look better though I still dislike his votes. He isn't a good lynch candidate. I've got a slight ping on Sorsha for her vote, but besides that she is null. A few pings from Nero, but not enough to lynch on keep I'll keep my eye on him.
Wilgy is a slight civ lean, again I wouldn't lynch him today.
I've got a slight mafia ping on Quin. Today I'd like to lynch either Epi or SD as I believe one or more likely both of them are mafia members.

Wow sig. Thank you for this enlightening lega-

Oh. You were bad.

#555

Can I get a rezzzzzzzzz

please?

#556

#557

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:Okay so some quick thoughts before the night ends. Right know I'm reading Llama as a civ he shouldn't be lynched. After reading everything over Bull's does look better though I still dislike his votes. He isn't a good lynch candidate. I've got a slight ping on Sorsha for her vote, but besides that she is null. A few pings from Nero, but not enough to lynch on keep I'll keep my eye on him.
Wilgy is a slight civ lean, again I wouldn't lynch him today.
I've got a slight mafia ping on Quin. Today I'd like to lynch either Epi or SD as I believe one or more likely both of them are mafia members.
Wow sig. Thank you for this enlightening lega-

Oh. You were bad.

#558

Oh man, I was right about WIlgy too! I am on fire this game.

#559

thellama73 wrote:Oh man, I was right about WIlgy too! I am on fire this game.

You could be on fire if you don't prefer the rope.

Fires make me think of hot dates that I don't have because any girl I ask out is "all tied up" at the moment.

#560

I kind of feel like I should vote for Bullzeye just to see if all three of my baddie picks were right.

#561

Sig voted for Bulleye to tie him for the lead on Day 1, leading me to believe thta Bullzeye and Sig cannot be on the same baddie team.
Wilgy voted for Epi on Day 2, expanding his lead in votes, leading me to believe thta Wilgy could not be on a team with Epi.
Sig voted for Daisy on Day 2, when she was in no danger of being lynched. Could easily be a distancing vote.

That means I have to choose between Nero and Daisy today. Does anyone else have thoughts on which of the two is more likely to be bad?

#562

I'm going with Daisy for now. Her "C-Man and Llama can't both be civ" argument seems like a way of justifying going after one of us after the other is lynched, even though she didn't follow through on it. Also, her vote for C-Man, who was obviously civ, is not a good sign.

#563

DrWilgy wrote:;__;

#564

Epi, thoughts on the above?

#565

sig wrote:A few pings from Nero, but not enough to lynch on keep I'll keep my eye on him.

sig wrote:I don't think Llama's reasoning is right in regards to Nero. While I've never hosted I don't think the hosts would be in a bigger rush to replace a mafia member then a civ.

I've got a slight ping from nero, and I am feeling good about Epi's posts directed at him, but he won't be getting my vote today for a few reasons. I don't like what Llama said about him, as off right know Nero seems like an easy lynch button.

I don't like Daisy's response to G-man's ISO. It came off as very defensive and pingy.

sig wrote:Wilgy always claims doctor regardless of the game and alignment. The other would be Nero he has made a few posts and I think your voting for him already? I've got a slight ping but not vote worthy.

Let's summarize, shall we?

A few pings, but not enough to lynch, llama's not right, slight ping from nero, feeling good about what Epi said, but Nero won't be getting a vote for a few reasons even though I'm about to name just one, which is Nero "seems" easy, Nero has made a few posts but he's getting attention for that already, again a slight ping but he shouldn't get a vote.

Boom.

Wish my bed sounded like that.

#566

thellama73 wrote:Epi, thoughts on the above?

sig wrote:Daisy and Epi both sound good to me. Why do you think Wilgy is a civ?

sig wrote: Today I'd like to lynch either Epi or SD as I believe one or more likely both of them are mafia members.

Confirmed Mafia. I'm not voting for spacedaisy on account of this and that I think there's more to work with. It's Nerolunar for me.

Wilgy has some spacedaisy interactions, but I'd have to look at those.

#567

Do you guys think there might be two baddie teams? I don´t think it´s unlikely. Maybe 2 baddies on each team?

I'm fine with a Daisy lynch today. She looks more suspicious to me than the rest of us, maybe excluding Epi.

#568

Nerolunar wrote:Do you guys think there might be two baddie teams? I don´t think it´s unlikely. Maybe 2 baddies on each team?

I'm fine with a Daisy lynch today. She looks more suspicious to me than the rest of us, maybe excluding Epi.

Two mafia teams doesn't explain three night kills. If this were the case, should we be considering a rogue serial killer? Or else, multiple vigils? There couldn't be a third mafia team, surely. I think we are still missing something.

I am not strictly opposed to lynching daisy at some point, but I think bullzeye is definitely a better option right now.

#569

Quin wrote:By the way, that was rude as heck.

I would be inclined to vote for Bullzeye. He was incredibly defensive against my question yesterday which I didn't like. He even tried to label it as 'random voting' although it was clearly not. His truly random vote on Day 1 is still a significant ping for me.

I am not seeing Epi in the same light as everyone else, especially now. I feel like Wilgy was extremely unreasonable in the way he interrogated and still voted for Epi. I guess this explains why.

If you think that that was me being defensive... let alone incredibly defensive... that just shows you don't know me at all. I always get accused of being overdefensive no matter what I say or what my alignment is (to be honest I think some people just say it to me because they've heard it said about me before) and it used to bother me quite a bit but more recently I've really just stopped caring. I do think it was appropriate to describe what you were trying to do as random, because you just threw votes down on names and expected them to explain why it was a bad idea. It may have been a reasonable strategy, but it still would've been a random vote if you'd just left it on someone because they hadn't said anything to you.

#570

Bullzeye wrote:
Quin wrote:By the way, that was rude as heck.

I would be inclined to vote for Bullzeye. He was incredibly defensive against my question yesterday which I didn't like. He even tried to label it as 'random voting' although it was clearly not. His truly random vote on Day 1 is still a significant ping for me.

I am not seeing Epi in the same light as everyone else, especially now. I feel like Wilgy was extremely unreasonable in the way he interrogated and still voted for Epi. I guess this explains why.
If you think that that was me being defensive... let alone incredibly defensive... that just shows you don't know me at all. I always get accused of being overdefensive no matter what I say or what my alignment is (to be honest I think some people just say it to me because they've heard it said about me before) and it used to bother me quite a bit but more recently I've really just stopped caring. I do think it was appropriate to describe what you were trying to do as random, because you just threw votes down on names and expected them to explain why it was a bad idea. It may have been a reasonable strategy, but it still would've been a random vote if you'd just left it on someone because they hadn't said anything to you.

I don't want to play the 'it's my first game' card but I'll do it here. I don't know your play style, your quirks or anything like that. I think if new players are telling you the same things then you should at least take it into consideration. Being defensive is not necessarily a bad thing, and I don't think you should take my comment as something personal, because I didn't intend to at all.

I can't agree that my tactic yesterday could be considered as random, as I had a specific goal in mind to gather information. As I said to Wilgy, if he didn't cooperate I likely would have changed my vote. Same applies to you.

#571

Dang, Epi is right. Nero is a better choice than Daisy.

Also, Quin, what do you make of the fatc that a confirmed mafia member voted to tie Bullzeye for the lead? Doesn't that make you wary of voting for him?

#572

I hadn't analysed the votes, so I didn't know that happened. Even with that information, I don't think I am significantly less suspicious of him than I was before. If we consider the possibility that there are multiple mafia teams, it could be that Bullz is mafia, but not on the same team as whoever you're talking about (I'll fill in the gaps after I submit this)

Specific players aside, do you agree or disagree with the idea of multiple mafia teams? Could you think of any other explanations for the sheer amount of consistent mafia kills?

#573

Quin wrote:I hadn't analysed the votes, so I didn't know that happened. Even with that information, I don't think I am significantly less suspicious of him than I was before. If we consider the possibility that there are multiple mafia teams, it could be that Bullz is mafia, but not on the same team as whoever you're talking about (I'll fill in the gaps after I submit this)

Specific players aside, do you agree or disagree with the idea of multiple mafia teams? Could you think of any other explanations for the sheer amount of consistent mafia kills?

I'm actually quite confused by it all, because we have had three mafia dead and the game hasn't ended. A team of four seems overpowered in a twelce player game. Two teams of two is more likely, but still wouldn't account for the third kill, uless there is a serial killer or civ ninja.

If I had to guess, , I would say two teams of two and a civ ninja, which means we would only have to kill one more to win. Note that we haven't seen any power roles yet, so civ ninja is likely to be one of those.

#574

thellama73 wrote:
Quin wrote:I hadn't analysed the votes, so I didn't know that happened. Even with that information, I don't think I am significantly less suspicious of him than I was before. If we consider the possibility that there are multiple mafia teams, it could be that Bullz is mafia, but not on the same team as whoever you're talking about (I'll fill in the gaps after I submit this)

Specific players aside, do you agree or disagree with the idea of multiple mafia teams? Could you think of any other explanations for the sheer amount of consistent mafia kills?
I'm actually quite confused by it all, because we have had three mafia dead and the game hasn't ended. A team of four seems overpowered in a twelce player game. Two teams of two is more likely, but still wouldn't account for the third kill, uless there is a serial killer or civ ninja.

If I had to guess, , I would say two teams of two and a civ ninja, which means we would only have to kill one more to win. Note that we haven't seen any power roles yet, so civ ninja is likely to be one of those.

Is a ninja essentially just a serial killer but for town? I've not seen one used before. Either way, I agree that at least one of the power roles is a killing ability, whether it be town or rogue.

#575

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Quin wrote:I hadn't analysed the votes, so I didn't know that happened. Even with that information, I don't think I am significantly less suspicious of him than I was before. If we consider the possibility that there are multiple mafia teams, it could be that Bullz is mafia, but not on the same team as whoever you're talking about (I'll fill in the gaps after I submit this)

Specific players aside, do you agree or disagree with the idea of multiple mafia teams? Could you think of any other explanations for the sheer amount of consistent mafia kills?
I'm actually quite confused by it all, because we have had three mafia dead and the game hasn't ended. A team of four seems overpowered in a twelce player game. Two teams of two is more likely, but still wouldn't account for the third kill, uless there is a serial killer or civ ninja.

If I had to guess, , I would say two teams of two and a civ ninja, which means we would only have to kill one more to win. Note that we haven't seen any power roles yet, so civ ninja is likely to be one of those.
Is a ninja essentially just a serial killer but for town? I've not seen one used before. Either way, I agree that at least one of the power roles is a killing ability, whether it be town or rogue.

Correct. The only difference between a ninja and a serial killer is win condition. A civ ninja wins with the town, whereas the serial killer usually has a last man standing or survival condition.

#576

I'm putting my vote on bullz for the moment, I still think bullz/epi/daisy are more likely to be mafia than Nero.

I think

#577

I guess I'm voting Nero to save myself then.

#578

Bullzeye wrote:I guess I'm voting Nero to save myself then.

Im almost forced to vote for you now then. I would prefer Daisy for todays lynch, but there doesn´t seem to be much support for that at the moment.

#579

I could be convinced to vote for nearly anybody today, tbf. I don't particularly trust anyone.

#580

Sorsha wrote:

I'm putting my vote on bullz for the moment, I still think bullz/epi/daisy are more likely to be mafia than Nero.

I think

I don't understand this reasoning. You also voted to kill obvious-civ C-Man. Explain yourself or I'm coming for you next.

#581

thellama73 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:

I'm putting my vote on bullz for the moment, I still think bullz/epi/daisy are more likely to be mafia than Nero.

I think
I don't understand this reasoning. You also voted to kill obvious-civ C-Man. Explain yourself or I'm coming for you next.

I feel like Nero is a lone wolf this game. I don't really know his play style that well yet but his posts don't sound to me like someone with bts.

Out of the dead Mafia which ones do you think we're on which team, if we are assuming more than one team? And how does Nero fit with that?

#582

Sorsha wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:

I'm putting my vote on bullz for the moment, I still think bullz/epi/daisy are more likely to be mafia than Nero.

I think
I don't understand this reasoning. You also voted to kill obvious-civ C-Man. Explain yourself or I'm coming for you next.
I feel like Nero is a lone wolf this game. I don't really know his play style that well yet but his posts don't sound to me like someone with bts.

Out of the dead Mafia which ones do you think we're on which team, if we are assuming more than one team? And how does Nero fit with that?

As Epi pointed out, the subtle defending by Sig makes it look very likely that he was on a team with Nero.

By lone wolf do you mean a serial killer? If so, than we should kill him before he kills us. right?

Why do you think Bullzeye is bad when the voting record does not bear that out?

#583

I don't think bullz voting history looks great tbh. And no I meant lone wolf more like he's alone, no bts partners.

Is there a SK llama? Or is it a civ ninja?

Sig also defended bullz even though he admitted he didn't like his votes.

#584

To be fair Sorsha, I didn't vote for a guy who was obviously a civ yesterday and contribute to getting him killed.

#585

You have been basically throwing your votes away though. Easy to say he's obviously civ after he's dead, it wasn't obvious to me or I wouldn't have voted him.

#586

Sorsha wrote:You have been basically throwing your votes away though. Easy to say he's obviously civ after he's dead, it wasn't obvious to me or I wouldn't have voted him.

I've been giving Arkham more attention than this game. On day 1 I didn't think there was anything that had been said that I thought worthy of a vote, so I did something that wouldn't have made sense for me to do if I was bad. Yesterday I had a minor ping from Llama and didn't like any of the bandwagons that were coming in. I'd say I've thrown away 50% of my votes. During the night, in light of G-Man's lynch, I gained some new opinions. As to the second half of your comment:

Bullzeye wrote:I think G-Man is a civ, but if he'd saved anyone but me in the last lynch I'd have assumed he was deliberately taking a dive to protect a teammate. Since I know he wasn't doing that, I feel okay about him for now. I think this vote is going to end up being process of elimination for me.

This is one of the most generous readings I've given anyone this game, and it came before G died. As I pointed out last night when I asked you about your vote, Sorsha, you actually didn't seem all that suspicious of G-Man other than a few off-handed remarks about liking a point made by Wilgy - who has since been proven to have been a baddie.

Of the three people I asked questions to last night, the only one who actually answered was probably gonna be the one I'd vote for. Of the two remaining, if I weren't having to save myself today, I wouldn't mind casting a totally not-random vote for Sorsha.

#587

Well... That is true about the Wilgy point. I thought he made a good point about G-man and that continued to be the driving force behind my suspicion of him. But with the fact that there appear to be more than one team it really just ruled them out from being on the same team. And until wilgy flipped I did believe he was civ.

I could possibly change my vote. I still don't feel bad about Nero though.. I'd put daisy above him I think.

#588

I don't have a strong opinion on Daisy yet. I kinda always want to view her as civ. She didn't answer my question about Llama, which I guess could be suspicious in itself but maybe she just didn't see it or I didn't see her reply. I'm kinda waiting for her to swoop in and vote for me at any minute now since she's the only one not to have voted yet.

#589

Why do you think she will vote for you and not Nero?

#590

Because I'm nothing if not a pessimist.

#591

Lol.. It would be nice if she would grace us with her presence and let us know what she's thinking. Shes usually more talkative than this.

#592

Well, it looks like it falls to me to break a tie. I've been in and out reading but between work and other stuff have not had a chance to reply.

I'm with llama and Epi regarding the voting record and posts from confirmed baddies seeming to more support a Nero lynch than a Bullz lynch.

I am headed to a play with MP, I will answer the questions posed of me once I get back, I promise.

Voting Nero.

#593

I'm going with Nero too. I just wanted to see what daisy would do with a tie. Sorry bullz

#594

DAY 3 ENDS

Sorsha sighed. She had spent a long day cleaning up her bar, the Zodiac. Thank goodness the day it been relatively calm. She was a Cancer after all, and calm was exactly what she needed after such a traumatic experience. She had seen sig's head explode in front of her. At least, she thought she did. Maybe that was just a tomato. It was all so confusing. And vivid. And red. At least all the red meant she couldn't be sure if she was cleaning up tomatoes or intestines.

As she worked, she steeled herself in determination. She was going to catch the person who set the Time Bomb. The Temmie Bomb. Whatever, her spelling wasn't that great in a temmie of crisis.

The saddest thing of all, was the death of her dear friend, DrWilgy, the one person in all the world who she could trust was a civilian. She reached into his pocket and pulled out his wallet, hoping to find some contact details to inform his nearest and/or dearest and/or undertaker (she didn't know how alone he might be).

She opened up the wallet. Inside were three nickels, one cigar and a small square of cardboard, business card sized. The card read:

I MOST DEFINITELY AM A DOCTOR. DON'T LISTEN TO ANY MARMOT THAT TELLS YOU OTHERWISE.

IF I AM LOST, PLEASE RETURN ME TO MY MAFIA HANDLER, ___________

The tomatoes had soaked through Wilgy's pocket and obscured the last word on the card. If Sorsha squinted just right and put her head on an angle, it looked like it might say Bullzeye. If she squinted another way, it looked as though it might say Nerolunar. Sorsha gasped. She had seen Nerolunar just moments before. This might be a chance to get more information!

She sprinted out of the bar, and looked up and down in every direction. But no-one was to be found.

Epignosis laid in bed, alone.

No one has been lynched. It is now Night 3. You have ~24 hours to submit any night actions.

#595

Bullzeye
2
Quin (3), Nerolunar (12) 13%

Epignosis
0
No votes

Nerolunar
5
Epignosis (6), thellama73 (8), Bullzeye (11), Spacedaisy (13), Sorsha (15) 33%

Quin
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Sign your name here (Hosts, nonplayers, deadies, etc.)
8
Golden (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), sig (4), MovingPictures07 (5), Sloonei (7), G-Man (9), DrWilgy (10), S~V~S (14) 53%

#596

What? How did I survive?

#597

That reaction seems incredibly false. G-Man was a civ and happily admitted he knew how he survived, and Llama claims to have the same power while MM implied others might to by saying he doesn't view that mechanic as a power role. So for you to say you don't know what happens feels really fake to me.

#598

Bullzeye wrote:That reaction seems incredibly false. G-Man was a civ and happily admitted he knew how he survived, and Llama claims to have the same power while MM implied others might to by saying he doesn't view that mechanic as a power role. So for you to say you don't know what happens feels really fake to me.

Its not fake. I honestly don´t know why I didn´t get lynched.

#599

Well if you had a lynch stop or survival ability there'd be no reason for you to deny it. If someone else had a lynch stop there'd be no reason for them not to save it for themselves.

#600

Bullzeye wrote:Well if you had a lynch stop or survival ability there'd be no reason for you to deny it. If someone else had a lynch stop there'd be no reason for them not to save it for themselves.

Yeah I know.

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