Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

#5451

Yeah sorry that's not good enough. If we start letting mafia get away with not answering for moves like what you just made in the thread then we'll never catch them. If you're a civ I don't think you can afford to be creating a thread meta that allows for comments like your most recent two Enrique.

#5452

I still encourage an MP lynch.

#5453

Why did you vote for Glorfindel?

#5454

Because I'm a goofball?

#5455

Enrique and MM's votes both surprise me. I don't like them one bit.

#5456

@Enrique You seem to be heavily insinuating that you are penguin, but you are not who I thought was penguin.

#5457

Between Glorfindel and Mp, I'd rather vote Glorfindel.

#5458

Someone should ISO both MM and Enrique for mentions of me. MM was one of the first players to find me suspicious and it's one of his few suspicions throughout the entire game.

Enrique has questioned my motives on multiple occasions (saying my rainbow list was too easy) but never has been willing to back that up with a vote, despite saying for days now that he'd be OK with my lynch..

I reckon both of them are anti-town.

#5459

Typhoony wrote:Between Glorfindel and Mp, I'd rather vote Glorfindel.

Why?

You voted for me before. Why not now?

#5460

MacDougall wrote:@Enrique You seem to be heavily insinuating that you are penguin, but you are not who I thought was penguin.

Sorry, I'm 100% not doing that. I wanted to test something out, I'll explain after the lynch.

#5461

MacDougall wrote:Look...

If MP is civ friendly, he is asking to be lynched and says it will be good for the civs.

If MP isn't civ friendly, he is trying to fuck with is.

Worst case scenario is he has a non civ friendly role AND really does want to be lynched. But I don't see anybody choosing that reason not to vote for him, so here we are.

This post I think should sum up the lynch. Lynching MP is a win, no matter what.

#5462

Enrique wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Look...

If MP is civ friendly, he is asking to be lynched and says it will be good for the civs.

If MP isn't civ friendly, he is trying to fuck with is.

Worst case scenario is he has a non civ friendly role AND really does want to be lynched. But I don't see anybody choosing that reason not to vote for him, so here we are.
This post I think should sum up the lynch. Lynching MP is a win, no matter what.

Your vote doesn't match this sentiment.

#5463

Metalmarsh also has not once aired suspicion of Glorfindel.

I think Glorfindel is a good lynch candidate, hell I literally chose between he and MP with a random number generator, but I'm at a loss for the past three votes that have gone onto his wagon. If he's mafia, it doesn't matter I guess.

#5464

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Enrique wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Look...

If MP is civ friendly, he is asking to be lynched and says it will be good for the civs.

If MP isn't civ friendly, he is trying to fuck with is.

Worst case scenario is he has a non civ friendly role AND really does want to be lynched. But I don't see anybody choosing that reason not to vote for him, so here we are.
This post I think should sum up the lynch. Lynching MP is a win, no matter what.
Your vote doesn't match this sentiment.

I am aware.

#5465

I've been getting an inmate feel from Glorfindel, if anything.

#5466

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been getting an inmate feel from Glorfindel, if anything.

Please explain.

#5467

MacDougall wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been getting an inmate feel from Glorfindel, if anything.
Please explain.

Well, when I was his teammate in Star Wars, he felt very uncomfortable and unnatural as a mafia member, and lashed out at anyone who accused him. He also firmly suspected Russ for the duration of his tenure even though holding that suspicion became increasingly less likely due to circumstantial evidence regarding Russ. I'm not really seeing any of that here.

I'm also not seeing much of any attempt to mafia hunt, which I firmly think a civilian Glorfindel would do.

For the early part of the game, he seemed to be trying to stay out of the radar.

So he's probably an inmate who doesn't want to be bothered.

#5468

@Hosts: Are we told if a Mafia team is eliminated?

#5469

MP are you bad?

#5470

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Yeah I haven't seen any of the newer Batman films either. So maybe I will dig up Batman & Robin.

As for the lynch, I don't particularly think I have seen evil MP, he finds it so hard to keep that glee out of his tone when he's bad, but if he wants to go he wants to go.

I also still think THs case on Mac had merit, but if everyone is seeing this breadcrumb, I could not find it, but I will take peoples word for it. The fact that TH made the case, then backed off of it hard must make it a fairly substantial one. So I am willing to step back on that, but I don't love it.

I will be in and out today, but will be in for the night well before the poll ends.
I think TH's case has merit too, and I do not see the crumb. I think it's worth noting that when we were going into this day phase Mac was panicking about being lynched and is now not even being considered by most.
Worth noting? What about that is worth noting? What's the insinuation? That I have the power to mind control people?
That's a fair question.
I think your panic might be indicative of you not being civ.
So civs about to be mislynched don't panic?

it just seems rather manufactured when you then came in with zero panic today.

#5471

MacDougall wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Un MP lynch is unleekely tu yeeeld a meffeea fleep in my oopeeniun boot I cun see-a he's gueeng tu be-a a pueent ooff deescoossiun es lung es he's in zee geme-a. I'll gledly iet my het iff he-a fleeps meffeea boot I'm tune-a reedeeng heem es genooeene-a. Glurffeendel is mure-a leekely tu be-a meffeea. I theenk Scutty mede-a a greet oobserfeshun ebuoot heem. Vhee esked vhu he-a soospects he-a curcled eruoond sume-a nemes insteed ooff cummeetting tu unytheeng. Zee ceefiliun Glurffeendel I reed in Peekmin is noohere-a tu be-a fuoond. Bork bork bork!

I'm futeeng fur Glurffeendel.
I agree with this about MP so I've changed my mind about voting him today. I'm guessing he's an inmate, I don't see him asking for lynch and letting either civ or mafia teammates down like that. Of course that could be what he wants us to think
What changed your mind? I've been asking for my lynch since before you changed it, so it can't be that.
I don't think you're bad and now that you are apparently cured you're more likely to help out/participate. I'd rather vote a low poster than you at this point. Bubbles has been lurking in the thread since I've been around today but not posting.
Sure if you want to put a vote on someone who's not getting lynched go right ahead.
Perhaps not my friend but given the choice of voting for players that I believe to be Mafia and those that I know aren't (my assumption on MP that I'd stated previously) I'll go for players that I think are Mafia EVERY time.
That's all well and good but sorsha has given no indication that she thinks bubbles is mafia so what's your point?

"The Duke of Norfolk: Damn it... Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship?
Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?"

A Man for All Seasons - Robert Bolt

#5472

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Yeah I haven't seen any of the newer Batman films either. So maybe I will dig up Batman & Robin.

As for the lynch, I don't particularly think I have seen evil MP, he finds it so hard to keep that glee out of his tone when he's bad, but if he wants to go he wants to go.

I also still think THs case on Mac had merit, but if everyone is seeing this breadcrumb, I could not find it, but I will take peoples word for it. The fact that TH made the case, then backed off of it hard must make it a fairly substantial one. So I am willing to step back on that, but I don't love it.

I will be in and out today, but will be in for the night well before the poll ends.
I think TH's case has merit too, and I do not see the crumb. I think it's worth noting that when we were going into this day phase Mac was panicking about being lynched and is now not even being considered by most.
Worth noting? What about that is worth noting? What's the insinuation? That I have the power to mind control people?
That's a fair question.
I think your panic might be indicative of you not being civ.
So civs about to be mislynched don't panic?
it just seems rather manufactured when you then came in with zero panic today.

I have clearly had no reason to panic today as I was never close to being mislynched.

#5473

MacDougall wrote:Metalmarsh also has not once aired suspicion of Glorfindel.

I think Glorfindel is a good lynch candidate, hell I literally chose between he and MP with a random number generator, but I'm at a loss for the past three votes that have gone onto his wagon. If he's mafia, it doesn't matter I guess.

My voting without reason has worked thus far. Why break that trend now?

#5474

So you are either anti-civ or a civ that doesn't care that your behaviour is setting a precedent of civs behaving like mafia. Cool. You okay with us lynching you tomorrow Marmot?

#5475

MP's posts are reading, to me, like someone who wants to be lynched--not in a done with this game sort of way, but in a role needing to be lynched kind of way. Voting that way before I fall asleep on the keyboard.

#5476

MacDougall wrote:So you are either anti-civ or a civ that doesn't care that your behaviour is setting a precedent of civs behaving like mafia. Cool. You okay with us lynching you tomorrow Marmot?

No. I do not advocate my own lynch.

#5477

MacDougall wrote:So you are either anti-civ or a civ that doesn't care that your behaviour is setting a precedent of civs behaving like mafia. Cool. You okay with us lynching you tomorrow Marmot?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here my friend

I am Town and I am refusing to Lynch either a Town or potentially Town/Town leaning player (based on the fact that there is nothing anywhere near a conclusive case for their lynching) and you are accusing me of 'anti-Town' behaviour?

#5478

LoRab wrote:MP's posts are reading, to me, like someone who wants to be lynched--not in a done with this game sort of way, but in a role needing to be lynched kind of way. Voting that way before I fall asleep on the keyboard.

This.

#5479

At this point it doesn't really seem worth doing anything other than *Voting MP*.

#5480

So if you guys think MP has to be lynched, do you trust him?

I think he's bad.

I voted.

#5481

Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So you are either anti-civ or a civ that doesn't care that your behaviour is setting a precedent of civs behaving like mafia. Cool. You okay with us lynching you tomorrow Marmot?
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here my friend I am Town and I am refusing to Lynch either a Town or potentially Town/Town leaning player (based on the fact that there is nothing anywhere near a conclusive case for their lynching) and you are accusing me of 'anti-Town' behaviour?

#5482

i'm down for lynching mp, he seems cool

#5483

LoRab wrote:MP's posts are reading, to me, like someone who wants to be lynched--not in a done with this game sort of way, but in a role needing to be lynched kind of way. Voting that way before I fall asleep on the keyboard.

Weren't you against this kind of thing when Mac was doing it in World Reborn?

#5484

Voted MP because he kept talking about sig and now sigs dead.

#5485

I think either way, MP's lynch is in our best interest, so I am *voting MP*.

#5486

Might as well vote for MP too I guess.

#5487

@Hosts: Can we please have the list of the end of phase results that are listed on the first page linked to the relevant post where the results of that phase was announced? It'd make things a damn sight easier for anyone trying to analyze this information.

#5488

Sorsha wrote: What vote of mine was shifty?

Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!

You'd hardly discussed the case before coming in and voting, gave little reason for your vote, and tried to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying "I hope you guys are right!"

#5489

If mp wants out I guess I will vote him. I still have some lingering worry that this is somehow going to bite the civs backside somehow. I hope I'm just being paranoid.

#5490

DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote: What vote of mine was shifty?

Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!
You'd hardly discussed the case before coming in and voting, gave little reason for your vote, and tried to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying "I hope you guys are right!"

i explained this already

#5491

sabie12 wrote:Voted MP because he kept talking about sig and now sigs dead.

Lolwut?

Explain this logic please.

#5492

Dom wrote:MP are you bad?

No, I am not.

#5493

S~V~S wrote:
LoRab wrote:MP's posts are reading, to me, like someone who wants to be lynched--not in a done with this game sort of way, but in a role needing to be lynched kind of way. Voting that way before I fall asleep on the keyboard.
This.

For the record, just so you all know, I don't need to be lynched. It's a pros/cons thing, but I think there is benefit to it at this stage.

#5494

Sorsha wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote: What vote of mine was shifty?

Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!
You'd hardly discussed the case before coming in and voting, gave little reason for your vote, and tried to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying "I hope you guys are right!"
i explained this already

You did? I'm looking over your posts and not really finding an explanation. Except for where you say you'll take responsibility for your vote, but then close by saying it's pretty much all Matt and Enrique.

#5495

DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote: What vote of mine was shifty?

Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!
You'd hardly discussed the case before coming in and voting, gave little reason for your vote, and tried to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying "I hope you guys are right!"
i explained this already
You did? I'm looking over your posts and not really finding an explanation. Except for where you say you'll take responsibility for your vote, but then close by saying it's pretty much all Matt and Enrique.

This post:

Sorsha wrote:Yes, them being right about Nero. I will take responsibility for my vote if it turns out to be bad but really.... Most of these votes are coming in because of Enrique and Matt.

I never really understood what was so wrong with this post of mine anyway. Quite a few players were just tossing on to Nero, trusting that Matt and Enrique were right. I happened to add the "hope you guys are right" and I'm the one who gets shit over it.... I don't understand.

#5496

Sorsha wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
Sorsha wrote: What vote of mine was shifty?

Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!
You'd hardly discussed the case before coming in and voting, gave little reason for your vote, and tried to absolve yourself of responsibility by saying "I hope you guys are right!"
i explained this already
You did? I'm looking over your posts and not really finding an explanation. Except for where you say you'll take responsibility for your vote, but then close by saying it's pretty much all Matt and Enrique.
This post:
Sorsha wrote:Yes, them being right about Nero. I will take responsibility for my vote if it turns out to be bad but really.... Most of these votes are coming in because of Enrique and Matt.
I never really understood what was so wrong with this post of mine anyway. Quite a few players were just tossing on to Nero, trusting that Matt and Enrique were right. I happened to add the "hope you guys are right" and I'm the one who gets shit over it.... I don't understand.

Not the only one. I have also called out LoRab for her bandwagony vote as well. Bubbles is similar, but she always acts that way.

#5497

Keeping with my Night 2 theory that the Maroni family didn't NK due to their absence from the thread, I note that the Day 2 result (Magnus/Nerolunar's pinching) was announced at 2:36 pm Monday, 22 February* and the night ended some 24 hours later at 12:24 pm Tuesday, 23 February. User ekeknat who has just voted (and who has had a total of 14 posts so far this entire game) last post before the end of Day 2 was at 10:18 am Sunday, 21 February* and their next post was at 3:08 pm Tuesday, 23 February*. I wonder if that 3:08 post might have been a consequence of inadvertently having missed the deadline for the Maroni's NK

It fits with the theory and seeing they've only been on line an hour or two ago it will be interesting to see if we have a NK tonight.

*All times AEST

#5498

Oh gee, who do i vote for?

*glances* guess it's SockFace

#5499

Well, I am glad I received the most votes, although it is a pro/con deal.

Who wants a legacy post before I leave for a little while?

#5500

EoD 4 MP rainbow list:

Confirmed Civilian
Scotty -- Top bloke, good egg.

Strongly Leaning Civilian
Turnip Head -- Perhaps the most supatown player we have this game, and I believe it's genuine. Turnip Head has not been shy to voice his opinions about practically every player, and his cases on BR, Mac, etc. were thorough and strike me as genuine hunting for mafia, rather than manipulative. I've seen the town spark in Turnip Head more than any other player in the game. In addition, he has shown a distinct town tell in reevaluation and reassessment by backing off of the Mac case when otherwise he could have otherwise shut up and let the momentum he built inevitably lead to a potential mislynch. Many good looks for TH in my book, but that doesn't keep my paranoia from voicing every once in a while, especially coupled with a late vote for Nerolunar on d2.

Golden -- Like Turnip Head, Golden has been willing to speak his mind consistently throughout the game, and continually reassess. With a gun to my head, I think Golden looked better coming out of the early game Enrique v. Golden fistfights, and that is because I believe Golden genuinely argued on behalf of the belief that the discussion was necessary for town to have. Although he has been busy, I don't feel his contributions have faltered, with the exception of his Floyd vote on d3. That was a bit weak by Golden's standards, but I'm not sure that mafia Golden would make such a brazen vote. With regards to voting record, Golden cast an incredibly solid early vote for Nerolunar during his d2 lynch, an insanely risky move if he were a teammate. If Golden is anti-town, I'm certain he must either be on the other family, an inmate, or the ballsiest teammate busser ever.

Leaning Civilian
Sorsha -- I'm not sure I can articulate this read very well, since I feel it is the most tone-based of my top civilian reads, but Sorsha has read consistently genuine to me throughout the entire game, despite my internal efforts to try to discern some kind of manipulative intention. She has brought some insight to the table as well, despite having difficulty keeping up (understandably), including an early defense of Wilgy amid him receiving d1 pressure, asserting early agreement with the case on Black Rock as well as my Wilgy was Robin theory, among other opinions. Her vote for Nero on d2 being seventh is not as strong as it could be, but it's nonetheless a good look.

MacDougall -- This guy's a tough one to read, always, ever since I saw him absolutely crush the supatown persona as a mafia the first 3 day cycles or so of Talking Heads Mafia. With that said, although I've had my doubts more with Mac than the two above, I am seeing a genuine Mac with regards to baddie hunting and emotion this game. He has been hunting with nothing less from what town should expect from such a strong town-minded player, and he has been openly willing to reassess. His dialogues with various players throughout the game give the impression that he is genuinely trying to engage them to figure them out and to get them into the game, rather than for manipulative reasons. But... trying to assess this is very difficult, since Mac can beautifully recreate that meta as a mafia member. That said, I don't get a sense of "chaos" from Mac this game that I've seen him exude when he's anti-town. His d2 vote for Bullzeye is a bit perplexing, especially since I haven't seen him aggressively pursue that case lately, so despite his in-thread content and well-reasoned defense against Turnip Head's accusations, I don't feel I can as strongly remove the possibility of him being a Nero teammate. I don't have a strong reason to believe he is though. Apparently, I've missed a supposed breadcrumb.

Slightly Leaning Civilian
juliets -- Hands down one of the most difficult players to read for me, ever. I had her as neutral until just recently; thinking on it, she does seem legitimately concerned with hunting. Even if she isn't building cases, she has been clear to add her thoughts whenever possible. Note to self: I need to ISO her... if I have the time.

S~V~S -- NANANANANANA, BATBEAR! For most of the game, S~V~S was right up there with Sorsha in terms of being a completely genuine read, but lately she's dropped off for me. Her early vote for Nerolunar on d2 (second) is awesome; I know how much S~V~S hates to bus her teammates unnecessarily, so I don't think her chances of being on that team are high. With that said, her recent behavior has me a bit puzzled, with her d3 vote on Mac and then subsequent backing off seeming unlike civilian S~V~S. I know she doesn't pride herself on being particularly good at finding breadcrumbs, but I'm not really seeing the town spark (mentioned above for TH) in S~V~S. I would expect a town-minded S~V~S to not so easily give up her suspicion of Mac just because of a breadcrumb, especially since in her posts this game she really downplayed the validity of role hints = genuine.

bea -- Despite usually being in catchup mode, and catching some flak from Mac for agreeing with cases too much, I don't recall anything particularly manipulative about her content or behavior. She has been willing to reassess as well, given her thoughts regarding yours truly. She voted late for Nero, but I know bea tends to vote late anyway (unless she votes early due to knowing she won't be around later, but that doesn't happen too often), so I give her at least somewhat of an OK look for that. Can't discount her at all from being a Nero teammate, but my gut just screams sincerity. When I pushed suspicion on her last night, she reacted the way I would expect civilian bea to react, and I saw some town-minded passion there. I firmly believe that bea would be more disinterested and would emphasize her catching up more if she were anti-town; I know this relies upon meta, but it is what it is. Rather, I feel like bea is using her catchup periods to genuinely contribute her thoughts to the game. I hope to hear more original thoughts from her going forward though.

Dom -- Why won't he stop suspecting me? But seriously, Dom and I have a rivalry that goes way back to the first game of mafia I ever played. With regards to his behavior this game, he has been, as he has recently observed, very vocal, and has been very active with his questioning-poking hunting style. Although he didn't vote for Nerolunar on d2, I don't get the feeling of a Nero teammate much from his vote, which otherwise landed on me. I felt better about him earlier in the game, and continually feel like I have to keep fighting our very different perspectives, but nonetheless still am judging his hunting to be that of a town-minded player, when push comes to shove. His consistency with regards to suspecting me is a bit unnerving at times where I felt he wasn't interested in trying to comprehened where I was coming from, but contrasted with other times where I felt like he was actively trying to connect with me. Consider me torn a bit.

Lorab -- Sixth vote for Nero, good look. Although she's on the low poster side of things, she still has 31 posts, which is an average of 8 or so per day period, and has been bringing plenty of her opinions to the game. Her responses to Mac, when I read them in real time, gave me good feelings about Lorab, for a combative yet open-minded approach she was displaying. I think her suspicion of Bubbles would be a bit risky for Lorab to take as a mafia member, and it appears grounded in an understandable thought process (and thus leads me to believe she isn't fabricating it), but what do I know?

Bullzeye -- This guy is a mixed bag. I think he is the most likely of my slightly civilian leaning reads to be Nero's teammate, given his third vote for Matt on d2. Tone reads genuine to me though. Then again, he has over 100 posts and I'm having trouble remembering his stances. I need to hear more from him.

sprityo -- The d2 lynch doesn't really give us any information about sprityo (he voted last for Nero, and many of his posts have not been particularly thick in content. In addition, his d3 vote for Floyd could be seen as an easily justifiable vote for a lurker to avoid coming up with suspicions. Not a good look. With that said, I am tone reading him as genuine, and he has brought forth insight throughout the game, mainly in the form of questions. I need to really think about him more though; he's the weakest of my town reads and could easily drop to a mafia read if he doesn't pick up more townie points.

Slightly Leaning Anti-Town
Metalmarsh89 -- The marmot enigma. Seriously, I can't make heads or tails of MM at all, and I feel conflicted on whether he genuinely was one of the first players to really view me as suspicious or whether he latched onto it as an easy option. I've seen his brand of marmoty posts, but to a lesser degree, and haven't seen an accompanied attempt to actually mafia hunt much at all. That said, somehow I'm not really getting any anti-town vibes from him at all, and I get the impression that he's just not incredibly invested in this game... at least until today. His vote for Glorfindel today clearly did not match with previously expressed suspicions of me. I find this suspect.

DharmaHelper -- I know he advocated suspicion of Nero big time, but he never actually voted for him (instead voting for me on d2), and it's not nearly as absurd as DH has been proposing to consider him as Nero's teammate. If anything it's because DH has such an excellent mafia game that he can almost never be absolved, so he should take that as a compliment. I feel as though in recent periods he's gotten lazy, instead fixating on me. I realize I've been acting out to attract suspicion, but he's made no attempt to engage others in discussion about much of anything else, and my leaning is because he's latching onto me for opportunistic reasons. What I find most suspicious is that he seemed to have strong opinions on S~V~S, but his passion for that case has all but vanished; I don't believe a town-minded DH would have just let it go like he has.

DFaraday -- I realize I voted for sig d2, but his late vote for sig could be a way for him to avoid the decision of either saving or bussing his teammate (Nero), in the event that he's mafia. In fact, if any of Nero's teammates did throw off to anyone other than Nero or Matt during that lynch, my best guess would be DF's vote. Previous thoughts regarding DF put forth by Scotty were excellent, for my taste, though DF does at least give a reasonable defense. I'm still watching him, for now, but I'd like to see some town spark from him, since I'm not seeing much of it at all. He must have missed the d3 vote because I don't see anything. Maybe he can provide a list of suspects.

Glorfindel -- My thoughts on Glorfindel can be summed up in my response to Mac. While an incredibly nice guy, he's not giving us much to work with this game, and has hardly thrown out any opinions or hunting that I can see. As a mafia or a civilian, I have meta-based reasons to believe he would want to hunt, or try to appears as though he is hunting; yet he is doing neither. In the early part of the game, he seemed to be trying to stay out of the radar. I think he's most likely an inmate, but I still have enough doubt that I'm placing him in the "slightly" category. With that said, Mac also had a good observation regarding Glorfindel's opinion of sig that has been considered by me and should be by others.

Bass_the_Clever -- His contributions right off the bat in this game were fantastic; he was questioning players and issuing opinions more so than he typically does, and I saw it as genuine. I would have had him as at the least a slight civilian read roundabout d1 or so. But he's vanished! So I have no content by which to base a judgment for most of the game, which is a problem, hence the decline. It's possible he's disengaged because he's an inmate, but I'm not sold on that theory quite yet.

Equivocate -- Where is he? I really have nothing on which to base a judgment.

Bubbles -- Where is she? I really have nothing on which to base a judgment.

TheFloyd73 -- Where is he? I really have nothing on which to base a judgment.

Leaning Anti-Town
Matt -- Next to Enrique, Matt's behavior reeks of manipulation as well. He looked worse in his 1v1 against zebra in the early stages of the game; since then, I've not really seen any genuine baddie hunting from him. It's almost as if I'm seeing a "Matt by the numbers" in action throughout this game, rather than civilian Matt, if that makes sense to those who've played with him before. I never once have had the impression that he has really believed in a case. The only good look for him is the fact that he was the first player to vote for Nero; I suppose he could have bussed him, but that makes him unlikely as a Nero teammate. I'm thinking he's an inmate; he reads very similarly to Star Wars Matt 1.0 in a way that hopefully I can elaborate upon in more detail later.

ekeknat -- The definition of under the radar. I don't trust him one bit. He needs to contribute something, because he's shown fully capable of casting votes with no reason, or else he'll keep dropping down my list.

Typhoony -- Placed here because I think The Penguin theory makes a lot of sense. Otherwise, he'd probably be a slight mafia read, since I'm not seeing a whole lot of supatown game-solving Typhoony this game.

Strongly Leaning Anti-Town
sabie12 -- She has voted for me today because I said sig a lot and now he's dead; she voted for me yesterday as well citing a similar reason. She has yet to explain how her train of thought regarding this suspicion actually leads her to the conclusion that I'm mafia, which is a piece of the logic in her behavior I'm missing completely. Hence it's a bad look, because otherwise this reads fabricated to me. She voted for Matt on d2 for "strange" knock knock jokes. Another bad look, I can't understand where her mindset is at all. She needs to clarify ASAP. In fact, looking at her d2 behavior, she easily could be Nero's teammate, given she couldn't understand why people weren't voting Matt anymore. Other than that, she's offered no real substantive content. I know she replaced in and the thread is large, but... this is not good in the slightest. She's my number two guess for Nero's teammate.

Enrique -- While he has the second most posts in the game, I'm not convinced he's out for town's best interests. His behavior today (d4) looks worst to me of any of his days, voting for Glorfindel for vaguely cited reasons. I hope he can elaborate upon these. Despite this, he has had bad looks consistently throughout the game. During the early portion of the game, he looked worse coming out of the 1v1 against Golden, from a GTH tone level, but that was only enough for me to consider "slightly" mafia leaning at most. Since then, he pushed suspicion against sig d1, Matt on d2 (bad look) based on a convoluted theory that really was reaching. I get the feeling that he's been making cases to appear as though as he's town, because the connections he continuously is making are based on tenuous, at best, role-based mechanics, rather than in-thread behavior. I think he could be mafia (more on that in a bit). If he's not mafia, I have a backup theory that he could be an inmate that really was pushing the sig agenda, since I don't think his thoughts against sig were town-minded. The distinction about Enrique's reassessments is that he seems to be making them for manipulative purposes, rather than in a hunt to genuinely find mafia. In addition, he has engaged in many back and forths but has spent hardly any recent time actually hunting for much of anything. He has also pushed what I have seen as manipulative conversation about me and others (regarding my rainbow list being questionable), then followed up by endorsing suspicion once it has formed, but later not fully following through with it. It all reeks of opportunism. I firmly believe the d2 Matt vote is a bad look, even if he reassessed; he was basing his reassessment entirely on supposed role hint by Turnip Head that is far from reasonable evidence. I think it's very possible Enrique is Nero's teammate; in fact, he's my number one guess for it.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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