[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Prisoner 509378]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

town

mafia

town

[ika]

SILVERWOLF town

IKA town

SIG town

[Soneji]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

Town

Cop

Town

[S~V~S]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

civ
civ
bad

[Serge]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

Town
Scum
Town

[Quin]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

town
scum
town

[indiglo]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

Town

Mafia

Town

[Serge]

This is fun

[Prisoner 509378]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

[Silverwolf]

SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

TOWN

MAFIA

TOWN

[ika]

This is fun

agreed this needs to eb done more often. this is not only entertaing but it can get things moving and set in reads

[indiglo]

This is fun

I know, right? Sig was a tough one for me - paranoia~

Also, looks like the wifi picked back up! Hooray!

[S~V~S]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

bad
bad
civ

[Serge]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

town
Town
Town

[ika]

SERGE scum

NEROLUNAR town

INDIGLO town

[Prisoner 509378]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

mafia

mafia

town

[Quin]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

scum
scum
town

[Silverwolf]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

MAFIA

TOWN

TOWN

[indiglo]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

Town

Mafia

Town

[Prisoner 509378]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

[Serge]

*listing names that won't be invited to my birthday party*

[Soneji]

SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

Cop

Cop

Town

[Prisoner 509378]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

town

top bloke; good egg

mafia

town

[Quin]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

town
town
town
scum

[S~V~S]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

civ
civ
bad
civ

[Soneji]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

Town

Town

Town

Town

[ika]

S~V~S town

PRISONER 509378 town

QUIN town

SCOTTY town

[Silverwolf]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

TOWN

TOWN

TOWN

TOWN

[indiglo]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

Town

Town

Town

Town


(Ack, but not sure on the last 2!!! It's just, I feel worse about some others than those particular 2. Also, Golden would like this.)

[Serge]

S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

Town
Town
Town
Town

[indiglo]

*listing names that won't be invited to my birthday party*

[Prisoner 509378]

That's everyone. I'll let any stragglers finish, compile a chart, and then reveal my initial thoughts.

[ika]

ok in that case im goign to poo. be back in about 10-15

[Epignosis]

I just finished refreshing and reading one page, thinking "Oh God, there's a whole new page to read."

I click over to the new page, and there's THREE new pages.

But I realize it's GTH bullshit, so carry on GTH bullshit people.

[Quin]

I'll be going off to uni to work on that assignment from yesterday. So no essays for a while.

[indiglo]

That was fun! And what I noticed is that there were a lot LESS I felt unsure about than what I had initially imagined. I only had to really think on a few of them.

[indiglo]

ok in that case im goign to poo. be back in about 10-15

*hands ika a bar of soap*

[Prisoner 509378]

I just finished refreshing and reading one page, thinking "Oh God, there's a whole new page to read."

I click over to the new page, and there's THREE new pages.

But I realize it's GTH bullshit, so carry on GTH bullshit people.

The most consistently effective strategy I've encountered.

[indiglo]

I just finished refreshing and reading one page, thinking "Oh God, there's a whole new page to read."

I click over to the new page, and there's THREE new pages.

But I realize it's GTH bullshit, so carry on GTH bullshit people.

The most consistently effective strategy I've encountered.

Probably why he doesn't like it.

I should jet off too. That was loads of fun though! I will look forward to catching up and reading more when I get home. That was a nice diversion after our heavy civilian casualties. Thanks!

[Silverwolf]

I liked it. I had a couple I wasn't sure of and will re-ISO but not nearly as many as I thought. I think chaindeath and Nerolunar were the only two that really gave me pause.

[S~V~S]

I have company, I should not be online lol.

[Serge]

This is the first time I've been part of a GTH and I'm pretty excited for what it'll yield.

[Scotty]

lalala I've been busy, and will continue to be busy until tomorrow when I have a long bus ride to Wyoming. Then I'll be posting more.

Pretty much caught up to the point where 509 just suggested GTH reads. And shit we lost a bunch of people.

I also I stil want to lynch Quin if that isn't perfectly obvious

I think a lot of people still want to lynch a lot of people, and that's understandable.

I do think the current game circumstance demands total reassessment though, by everyone. I'm not saying the prior baddie reads are wrong, but I wouldn't feel comfortable just walking my vote over to another suspect we've been fielding for days without really examining it.

I'm always welcome to different cases on people, and having outside eyes on the game I think has been beneficial. In the back of my mind, though, is the feeling that I'm so dead set on specific people to influence how I feel about another person that I'm feeling lost in the game on reads of others. I feel like that is what silver was lamenting, in that people have been restarting every day with different names and reads, and it hasn't got us anywhere.


I'd like to do GTH reads later, if that's ok.

[ika]

wheres priosoner....... i wan to hear the results

[Prisoner 509378]

wheres priosoner....... i wan to hear the results

Just finishing up the chart. I like to make it pretty.

[Prisoner 509378]

Okay, here's a chart of the results from the GTH exercise:

Spoiler: show

Some of my immediate thoughts:

~ I have performed this exercise a decent number of times now, and one thing I have found is that the players who give the most town reads have been more likely to flip mafia than other participants. In this exercise, that would reflect poorly on Quin. It isn't a sure thing, and the sample size is still limited, but this has been the trend I have observed. Quins baddie reads were: Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar. While I can on some level understand why someone might feel this way about these players, it strikes me as a bit uninspired for those to be the only four names that Quin's gut was willing to spit out "mafia" for.

~ There always seems to be at least one person who is incredibly paranoid. In this case that looks like it would be Serge (I was also more paranoid than usual and need to reassess some of those M's clearly). This has been a mixed bag in this exercise. I've seen baddies do this to limit their connectivity to their team mates (by obscuring everything under a blanket of baddie reads). I've also seen townies who are just legitimately paranoid. In Serge's case though, I do note that he piled on the baddie reads early in the exercise (8 of the first 9, 9 of the first 11), and after that he leveled off with town reads. This might suggest that he realized his reads ratio had gotten ridiculous, and he had to balance the equation for it to make any sense -- which would be a sign of insincerity.

[ika]

what about the people who have the medium of 5?

does that say anythig overall? from this IMO we should look at where we all have the largest agreemnet (if not univeral) and jsut go from there. i saw quite a lot of all towns. and only a handfull of one or two people calling someone town in the major scum reads

[Serge]

Or, your grouping produced my reads. I'm not saying your grouping isn't planned. Is it?

GTH
- Town that I'm confident with are only Sloonei and SVS
- Other townies I have no previous recollection that they came across as scum
- Most of the scum I have no reads on, or are inactive
- I round off everything else as scum

Also isn't it obvious that my GTH reads as scum to town when all is said done? If I realized that, wouldn't I have at least easily put one name in the last group as scum?

I have no clue how GTHs work. If you ensnared me, then cool beans.

[Prisoner 509378]

what about the people who have the medium of 5?

does that say anythig overall? from this IMO we should look at where we all have the largest agreemnet (if not univeral) and jsut go from there. i saw quite a lot of all towns. and only a handfull of one or two people calling someone town in the major scum reads

At the risk of getting too arbitrary with the numbers, I wouldn't quite call 5 mafia reads "medium". It's slightly on the trusting side, whereas S~V~S and I were slightly on the paranoid side. soneji was right in the middle. This might sound strange because we know there should be five baddies remaining, but that should have no bearing on someone delivering honest GTH reads. In fact, it's not uncommon for baddies to intentionally hold themselves to the proper ratio in the game for the sake of appearance.

I wouldn't recommend narrowing our collective focus on any group. There are enough players and enough hours in two Earth days to give everyone the proper attention. I am particularly interested in the BR and TH results, for example, at 6-2, and the 4-4 deadlock on chaindeath. There's also every possibility that one of those glowing beacons of 8-0/7-0 town reads is a masterbaddie. Everything warrants investigation and discussion.

[ika]

i shoudl of used mode actauly......

anyways i had somethign but then i lost my thoguhts.... if i think of it i will say