Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.
This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset
Counting to 5 and leaving the game thread when you get upset is definitely an excellent habit to develop.
Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.
This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset
Counting to 5 and leaving the game thread when you get upset is definitely an excellent habit to develop.
Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.
This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset
Counting to 5 and leaving the game thread when you get upset is definitely an excellent habit to develop.
Epignosis wrote:My controller ran out of batteries during sudden death. I blame Simon.
ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.
Q.E.D.
It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you
I don't have a "town read" on you though.
so your scum reading me? then you should have no problem voting me
ika wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.
Q.E.D.
Yeah,this.
And Jackie Chan meme is best meme
not this at all. want to knwo a pro tip about my meta? im a heavy busser and silver knwos that i will vote with her even if its a scum buddy so if she thinks its scum and i were to eb scum, its a moot point to try to devine that.
ika, if everyone knows what you do when you are bad, then shouldn't you...you know...vary it up?
not really, i change some here and there form time to time but most times i enjoy people knowing my metas so i can challange it
Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.
It's scum 101.
I don't see why I have to think you're bad to think you're wrong.
its the discredintg on it is the thing, there is 0 town motivation ebhind it. you can easly jsut say "i think hes town so i disagree"
ika wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.
Q.E.D.
It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you
What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.
PIssing me and silver off. When he is using persoanl relationship reasons to discredt it (as silver jsut pointed out with his post) i will have a problem regardless of my alginemt
No. The moment someone comes in and says she can read someone well because of their relationship is the moment she invites scrutiny on that claim. Well, she's being scrutinized. If you don't want your relationship called into question, don't make it part of the game.
I still don't get your beef with it. Jesus. I never said you guys didn't love each other.
my beef is that the reason we can read is more then jsut the relationsship, its our histroy, out metas, our very playstelys and how we interact. when you narrow it to the relatipnship itself we get pissed. you could of mention the interactions, the plays we have made, hell most of what we have actualy said it more meta based then relationship based so.....
Silverwolf wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.
Q.E.D.
Yeah,this.
And Jackie Chan meme is best meme
No, not this.
I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.
And this tells me you're prone to recency bias as well.
Is ika bad or not?
Why or why not?
ill let silver answer
Going to use "sarcastic orange" for once in my life:
I don't think Turnip Head is good. I don't think Turnip Head is bad. So I should vote for him. Nah.
"I think he's town so I disagree."
But I don't (necessarily) think you're "town." I questioned SilverWolf's ability to read you. That's precisely what I called into question. "I think he's town so I disagree" wouldn't have accomplished my purposes. Whether she likes it or not, Silverwolf can't read you as well as she says she can. That's important for the civilians to know, and I'm sorry I didn't go about that business sooner.
Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.
Q.E.D.
It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you
What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.
If they are buddies, he has everything to gain from it.
You are saying you think ika & Epignosis are teammates? Along with Draconus?
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.
let's run away together
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
Epignosis wrote:
Going to use "sarcastic orange" for once in my life:
I don't think Turnip Head is good. I don't think Turnip Head is bad. So I should vote for him. Nah.
"I think he's town so I disagree."
But I don't (necessarily) think you're "town." I questioned SilverWolf's ability to read you. That's precisely what I called into question. "I think he's town so I disagree" wouldn't have accomplished my purposes. Whether she likes it or not, Silverwolf can't read you as well as she says she can. That's important for the civilians to know, and I'm sorry I didn't go about that business sooner.
Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.
She can, you haev no evidence or experice to disprove your claim, you have not played with me, you dont know my playstyle, you knwo nothing about of me so i dont belive your town/scum read whateevr on me is genuine and that you knwo it form a scum perspective
Epignosis wrote:
But I don't (necessarily) think you're "town." I questioned SilverWolf's ability to read you. That's precisely what I called into question. "I think he's town so I disagree" wouldn't have accomplished my purposes. Whether she likes it or not, Silverwolf can't read you as well as she says she can. That's important for the civilians to know, and I'm sorry I didn't go about that business sooner.
Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.
Not really. I have 100% accuracy in reading ika. Even in games I'm not in with him, I can tell. This is the first game, I'm actually having difficulty with it. Usually he's easier than this to read.
Our scum hydra game was the same as most read us as town due to the effort he put in and we won that one. We also bussed the shit out of our useless lurkfest buddy so I KNOW ika will bus. I KNOW how he plays. We've had talks about this and I've seen it numerous times.
Silverwolf wrote:That's fine. The fact that people are agreeing with it is supremely frustrating to me. I know ika and have experience with him and it's really, really annoying when people who don't know either of us say I don't.
Nobody is saying you don't know him or have playing experience with him. They're saying that your read is not infallible and on its own power is not enough motive to lynch him.
ika himself seems to be arguing against that which should confirm that he is a baddie.
And finally meta is not shit, i have gotten more reads right on meta alone then some shit like "logic"
everyone has a meta, everyone has a trait that they follow, meta may not be absoulte but it is a baseline i use and i haev actualy gotten sucm lynched off it before so i disagree entrely. meta is not shit at all, it can be the most powerful or detrmental tool.
people who shit on it dont knwo how to use it is my 2 cents
Silverwolf wrote:That's fine. The fact that people are agreeing with it is supremely frustrating to me. I know ika and have experience with him and it's really, really annoying when people who don't know either of us say I don't.
Nobody is saying you don't know him or have playing experience with him. They're saying that your read is not infallible and on its own power is not enough motive to lynch him.
ika himself seems to be arguing against that which should confirm that he is a baddie.
not exactly, im telling him off cus its how we are. me and silver liek to draw our own conclusions on our own. we dont like being baby held on reading each other.
im saying if she scum reads me let her push it and reach it herself
Silverwolf wrote:That's fine. The fact that people are agreeing with it is supremely frustrating to me. I know ika and have experience with him and it's really, really annoying when people who don't know either of us say I don't.
Nobody is saying you don't know him or have playing experience with him. They're saying that your read is not infallible and on its own power is not enough motive to lynch him.
ika himself seems to be arguing against that which should confirm that he is a baddie.
That's fine. No one's read on anyone is infallible. I don't like the implication I can't read him when I can. It's a discredit job that scum would have to do in order to defend ika or discredit me if I'm right on my reads. It also puts the focus on me which is a good strategy for scum. I've done all this before as scum. It's how the game is played.
Silverwolf wrote:
That's fine. No one's read on anyone is infallible. I don't like the implication I can't read him when I can. It's a discredit job that scum would have to do in order to defend ika or discredit me if I'm right on my reads. It also puts the focus on me which is a good strategy for scum. I've done all this before as scum. It's how the game is played.
It could also be that we are trying to understand you and your game play.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I love that I am being told by both of you how the game is played. I'm just Prisoner 509378, what do I know?
The game has changed since you were in the slammer. Things'er different now!
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I love that I am being told by both of you how the game is played. I'm just Prisoner 509378, what do I know?
You know what the prison life is like, you could tell me about that.
More on topic, mafia is an ever evolving game that has no real clear defined "right" or "wrong" i think there is optimal plays on stuff but i never try to ever insinuate that there is a "right" way to play. if you have somethign in spcific i said feel free to tell me and i cna clarify
Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
thellama73 wrote:Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
lol hi llama. You got beef with Q?
Yes. I asked Quin if he was bad, and he didn't say no.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
Soneji wrote:A lot of posts devoted to talking about a mechanic that only matters to endgame numbers for the mafia(with a chance to cancel out naturally), that only could slightly assist the cops in finding the Dons, who to our knowledge have no means of harming them. The question now is to look towards Wilgy who started it or DDL who went full on with it, claimed it made Wilgy likely town and took way too long to acknowledge it as a distraction to actual scumhunting.
Dragon D Luffy
I decided to re-ISO Soneji cuz I couldn't figure out why I thought he was scummy and this is the only thing I could find. All game Soneji has been voting ika or Draconus. Suddenly, jumps on Dragon here with a reasoning that applies to a lot of people-I mean, a lot of people were discussing the traitor mechanic early game. Why jump on Dragon for it? Is it because so many other were and it's easy to sheep and get a mislynch off?
This is why I GTH Llama as bad he does things like he just did and has yet to get called out on it. It seems like a good scum strategy. Thoughts for those more familiar with his meta?
thellama73 wrote:Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
lol hi llama. You got beef with Q?
Yes. I asked Quin if he was bad, and he didn't say no.
\_(:T)_/
Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough
But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
sig wrote:This is why I GTH Llama as bad he does things like he just did and has yet to get called out on it. It seems like a good scum strategy. Thoughts for those more familiar with his meta?
This is 100% normal for Llama.He's a lot more tentative when he's bad imo. When he starts acting shifty, then you have a problem.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
Here's the relevant series of quotes, Prisoner. Make up your own mind.
thellama73 wrote:Quin, are you bad? I can't tell.
thellama73 wrote:
Quin wrote: Are there really any good guys in this setup?
So that's a yes. Thanks.
Everybody lynch Quin.
thellama73 wrote:In all seriousness, I see this all the time, and I regard it as a legitimate baddie catching technique. I ask someone if they are bad, and instead of saying "no" they make a joke out of it.
Why? I think there are still an awful lot of people who are subconsciously uncomfortable lying in the face of a very direct question, so they dodge instead. They don't mean to, but it is their instinct. I trust my methods, and it's why I'm voting Quin today.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
thellama73 wrote:Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
lol hi llama. You got beef with Q?
Yes. I asked Quin if he was bad, and he didn't say no.
\_(:T)_/
Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough
But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika
I am voting for you based on your posts and your voting history
Linki @ ika, or you refuse to answer definitively?
Yeah...but no.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough
But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika
wow.......
im very tempted to vote back based on this now
pedit: i cant answer defenitvly if there is nothign put in stone. silver siad 70% last i hear and then she herself admitted to have troube reading and has reservatiosn on it. SO she has no conclusoin made yet. when she reaches it i will answer but i dont rush her thinking
ika wrote:Silver can read me accurately. She is struggling with her read on em as well. if she were to be certain of it then i would answer.
As long as silver has some reservations about me, the question at hand cant be answered
HOLY PEDIT PPL LET ME TYPE
She says you are currently a scum read for her. Not an absolute 100% certainty, but a scum read. Is she incorrect to call you a scum read? Quit dodging the question and answer it, or you're going to effing die.
Re-ISOing Serge and I don't see much there either way. I think my only reservation is he's UTR and I'm suspecting scum is playing that way this game. It's also a gut read so yeah, I'll just keep an eye on it now.
thellama73 wrote:Here's the relevant series of quotes, Prisoner. Make up your own mind.
thellama73 wrote:Quin, are you bad? I can't tell.
thellama73 wrote:
Quin wrote: Are there really any good guys in this setup?
So that's a yes. Thanks.
Everybody lynch Quin.
thellama73 wrote:In all seriousness, I see this all the time, and I regard it as a legitimate baddie catching technique. I ask someone if they are bad, and instead of saying "no" they make a joke out of it.
Why? I think there are still an awful lot of people who are subconsciously uncomfortable lying in the face of a very direct question, so they dodge instead. They don't mean to, but it is their instinct. I trust my methods, and it's why I'm voting Quin today.
I think Quin is suspicious for other stuff. Close enough.
ika wrote:Silver can read me accurately. She is struggling with her read on em as well. if she were to be certain of it then i would answer.
As long as silver has some reservations about me, the question at hand cant be answered
HOLY PEDIT PPL LET ME TYPE
She says you are currently a scum read for her. Not an absolute 100% certainty, but a scum read. Is she incorrect to call you a scum read? Quit dodging the question and answer it, or you're going to effing die.
Until she reaches a 100% conclusion i refuse to comment
pedit: i trust that shes town and i trust her abilty to reach the right conclusion in the end. she neevr said to expctively vote me so powers to you
Are there really any good guys in this setup?