I've thought a little about how awesome it would be if I was a convincted serial killer and y'all paroled me.Sloonei wrote:Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.
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It's happened before. Ask S~V~S.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I've thought a little about how awesome it would be if I was a convincted serial killer and y'all paroled me.Sloonei wrote:Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.
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Yeah one more fucking stupid thing I've done. Thanks for reminding me of that
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I have literally been worrying about this for days and days and days. I just did not want to say it out loudSloonei wrote:Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.
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Never stupid. Always funny.S~V~S wrote:Yeah one more fucking stupid thing I've done. Thanks for reminding me of that
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S~V~S, how comfortable would you be with lynching Epignosis this phase?
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I had argued against Epi's faulty reasoning against sig and also disagree with recent his argument on Nero. I have argued against all these meta reasons that people keep bringing up to dismiss suspicion on certain players(Epi, Mongoose/Dom). I've made my case for Epi recently and my argument on Mongoose/Dom has been ever building. Offered my input where I could on things like Nero/CD potentially both being town and why I had a strong townread on Quin. I can't well have anything to show for my efforts if people refuse to trust me, no matter the strength of my argument.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Could you attempt to illustrate how you've applied this skill set to your more recent spurts of contribution to this game (presumably within your larger effort to show us what you're capable of as the elected champion of NF)? I don't want this to seem like busy work -- you have my attention in a meaningful way and it might turn the game over.Soneji wrote:My cold hard logic is generally my strongest trait in general as town and it shows through in both my ability to scumhunt and deter lynches that lack solid evidence. I'm generally detached from any kind of emotional appeal and I won't back down from insulting players to get a rise out of them. The play that I'm most known for is biding my time until a lot of posts build up, normally near phase end on days 1 and 2, then striking with a tl;dr post with all my suspicions, usually catching out a large part of the mafia team.
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When we went off of Nero, you said you wanted to lynch someone with the best likelihood of being bad; Dom or Eloh you said.Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S, how comfortable would you be with lynching Epignosis this phase?
Where are the 85 posts & charts saying Epi is more likely to be bad than them?
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Soneji, the reason I asked you for these things is that I have a special understanding of what you described -- a will to take your skillset beyond its regular setting and show what you're made of. I'm more attuned to that mindset than you may know. I hoped that if you could illustrate, in a believable way, that you've truly been pursuing that, that I'd be able to see it for myself have it resonate with me. That's my strength as a townie -- the ability to recognize complex nuances in someone's delivery and in their emotion that say something meaningful about who they are in a Mafia game.
The verdict? I like what you've said here. I'm at least somewhat moved.
The verdict? I like what you've said here. I'm at least somewhat moved.
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Like the posts you made showing all the relationships and Eloh & Dom were bad in like almost every scenario.
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I still want that. Epignosis seems to have almost conceded at this point though.S~V~S wrote:When we went off of Nero, you said you wanted to lynch someone with the best likelihood of being bad; Dom or Eloh you said.Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S, how comfortable would you be with lynching Epignosis this phase?
Where are the 85 posts & charts saying Epi is more likely to be bad than them?
I only ask because of the Police Chief role. That's the one that can ruin town's chances even if we collectively identify every bad guy right now. I'm not opposed to a Dom lynch, and I haven't totally changed my mind either.
We have a lot of time though and I never stop thinking. Ever. Perhaps I think too much. But that's why I have so many posts -- it's all on the table at all times, and I want to hear from other people. I'm Mr. Teamwork. :P
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I didn't concede shit. I did have to go help a brotha host just now. Also beer.
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You don't feel like Mr Teamwork right now, tbh. I don't feel like a team at this minute. Soneji seems to be on your team now, lol.
It's always something, and it never ends with a dead baddie. Even if those other presumed baddies have not talked much, they have not missed many votes.
I was not feeling all that great about Epi, but the more you keep pushing the better I am feeling. Not sure why that is.
It's always something, and it never ends with a dead baddie. Even if those other presumed baddies have not talked much, they have not missed many votes.
I was not feeling all that great about Epi, but the more you keep pushing the better I am feeling. Not sure why that is.
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@Hosts: can yu confirm whether or not the loan sharks are still in play? We reciver notices from you early in the game but those have now stopped.
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I moved my vote to Epi, by the way. Don't know if anyone noticed that and I forgot to announce it.
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A lot of things are falling into place in my head, yes. That doesn't mean I'm definitely right and that's that though, which is why I continue to field discussion -- about everything I can think of. The game is on the line.S~V~S wrote:You don't feel like Mr Teamwork right now, tbh. I don't feel like a team at this minute. Soneji seems to be on your team now, lol.
You're right, and that's why I wouldn't outright say "let's definitely move from Dom to Epignosis now". It's in my mind because Dom is a double-replacement, which makes me wonder if that player slot has always been active in night phases -- but it's not unbelievable to think that it has.S~V~S wrote:It's always something, and it never ends with a dead baddie. Even if those other presumed baddies have not talked much, they have not missed many votes.
The reason I keep asking you questions is that I value your input as a skilled townie who I know I can trust in this game. I don't know why you suddenly think I am some kind of questionable presence, but it's not necessary. I'm not trying to influence your play or tell you what to do -- I just want your input.S~V~S wrote:I was not feeling all that great about Epi, but the more you keep pushing the better I am feeling. Not sure why that is.
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Sloonei wrote:@Hosts: can yu confirm whether or not the loan sharks are still in play? We reciver notices from you early in the game but those have now stopped.
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I am really pretty sure one of them is gone. I don;t know about the other.Sloonei wrote:@Hosts: can yu confirm whether or not the loan sharks are still in play? We reciver notices from you early in the game but those have now stopped.
And 509378,when I said before I was paranoid of you for days, I meant it.
I can be OK with Dom. I am not ready to go from "sure fire baddie" to "possible baddie leader"
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Y'all wanna know what I'm really after? What really drives my rage?
Death to the Warden.
Death to the Warden.
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I just want to get a good lynch.
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SVS have I wronged you in another life for you to be so hostile towards anything I approve of ?
I wonder if an event would take place if we killed the Warden.
I wonder if an event would take place if we killed the Warden.
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You absolutely have not. I do think you killed some of my friends in this life though
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Well, I have been placing votes in advance due to sleep patterns on the pre-existing wagons at various day phases. Those wagons may not have gone through in the end but I have still tried to put my vote to use on the people who I was suspicious up who were a wagon at the time of my sleep. I have tried to get support for a Chaindeath lynch. I have also been afraid of pushing too hard and tunneling but I have announced my Chaindeath suspicion many times and asked people to evaluate him. No results.Epignosis wrote:How did you start bandwagoning? You have never voted for a single lynched person. Your Day 6 vote was for sig, all by yourself. That was the Day ika got lynched with eight votes (whom you voted for Day 2). Boomslang had six votes. The Day prior you voted Boomslang, but you didn't vote for him Day 6.Nerolunar wrote:Linki - Epi I have been trying. After realizing it was not going to happen I started to bandwagon more and leave Chaindeath for when people were ready to lynch him. Or well, not leave him entirely as I have voted for him a few times at the beginning of day phases, but when no support came I have been switching to other wagons. my "against wasting votes" ideal came to fruition a few days in.
Epi what do you read Chaindeath as? Which possible scumteam combination do you think is the truth?
I don't see how you throw up your hands on your top suspect only to say you started bandwagoning...when you never bandwagoned a Day in this thing.
I wanted sig lynched for ages, but I'm not going to make that happen by not convincing people to vote him. It eventually happened, even though the result wasn't what I wanted. If chaindeath is your top suspect, then why haven't you tried to get support for a lynch against him?
Because just as everyone else I think you guys have put up consistent town behavior. I trust the prisoner and his judgment too, so him trusting you settles it.Sloonei wrote: If your alignment is the only thing you've been certain about, why are you willing to trust the Prisoner's assumption that SVS, Turnip, and myself are all town?
Wait what? I never said I was not willing to lynch Chaindeath. Its you guys who won´t lynch him, not me. We need to find one suspect and lynch target, and so far none of you believe it could be Chaindeath this phase. Im fine with Dom and Elohcin too, as long as we hit a cop.Epignosis wrote:Nerolunar has gone to bed. I want full responses to what I've said. Nerolunar should be beyond willing to lynch chaindeath right now, but he's not. I want answers.
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We (civs/townies) absolutely cannot split our votes. We have to consolidate all of our votes today. To be a lonewolf voter is essentially to forfeit the game. Please please please get on board with whatever bandwagon we settle on.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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Let's see.
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I'm off to work until 4 with my vote still on Epignosis. It will probably change when I get home because you're all pansies.
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Just now when I reread this, I thought it said Death to the Walrus, lol.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Y'all wanna know what I'm really after? What really drives my rage?
Death to the Warden.
I have tied my brain up into a knot over this. I will check in periodically and I will follow your vote, Sloonei, if 509378 & (hopefully) TH also do so. I don't want to be the fly in the ointment, but I intensely dislike feeling steered, and after a full nights sleep, I reread last nights thread, and I still feel that way. I feel like we are trusting people we should not trust. I feel that I no longer have any objectivity.
So I will go with the program votewise, but I don;t think I will have much more to add to the conversation other than angst & frustration, and the less of that the better
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1) Don't really have time for thatPrisoner 509378 wrote:I think Dom's initial reaction is rather telling though. Instead of staunchly contesting me for essentially calling him a confirmed cop, he just acted like he didn't understand my methods. He should be fighting for his life and getting angry.
2) Why shouldn't I want to know where you're getting your conclusion from so I can defend myself?
Oh really?Sloonei wrote:I was reading Dom's posts and I started to doze off. It's not you, it's me, Dom! But my hazy less-than-half-awake interpretation was that he's a baddie trying to hammer home this victory by finally breathing some life into a roster spot in this game that has been completely void up until he showed up (I commend him for his effort regardless of alignment. Thank you Dom). He's been vocal and appeared open minded, but I haven't seen a single word of him resisting any idea in the thread except for the suggestion that he might be bad, which he vehemently shoots down all the time. Other than that, he's just going along with any suspect that come up in the thread. His vote can go anywhere every day and he's leaving things open and using this to his advantage. Putting my vote on Dom.
Because I've been around since Day 7. I voted Turnip Head on Day 7, and so did you. I missed Day 8. I voted Scotty on Day 9. That's what you call following any bandwagon? I gave thoughts on both of these.
lolEpignosis wrote:It's happened before. Ask S~V~S.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I've thought a little about how awesome it would be if I was a convincted serial killer and y'all paroled me.Sloonei wrote:Tinfoil theory that I want see come to fruition: the Prisoner is an insider working foe the cops. His role in this game was to take the families down from the inside. Like Leo. He has been steering us all in the wrong direction since he showed up. Like Leo.
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Dom, it's all spelled out. You can only be town if certain other players have cop team mates that strike me as unlikely.
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To be clear, I am 100% on board with either Epi or Dom. My vote also will go wherever the votes are. Eventually.S~V~S wrote:Just now when I reread this, I thought it said Death to the Walrus, lol.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Y'all wanna know what I'm really after? What really drives my rage?
Death to the Warden.
I have tied my brain up into a knot over this. I will check in periodically and I will follow your vote, Sloonei, if 509378 & (hopefully) TH also do so. I don't want to be the fly in the ointment, but I intensely dislike feeling steered, and after a full nights sleep, I reread last nights thread, and I still feel that way. I feel like we are trusting people we should not trust. I feel that I no longer have any objectivity.
So I will go with the program votewise, but I don;t think I will have much more to add to the conversation other than angst & frustration, and the less of that the better
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Nero, what is your answer to Epi's chaindeath vote?
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Well you're wrong.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, it's all spelled out. You can only be town if certain other players have cop team mates that strike me as unlikely.
And you wonder why I'm not sold on this game. I came in and after one day was told I was probably a baddie-- not because of anything I'd done, but rather, because you deduced it. Now you say there's no point in trying to change your mind.
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I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.Dom wrote:Well you're wrong.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, it's all spelled out. You can only be town if certain other players have cop team mates that strike me as unlikely.
And you wonder why I'm not sold on this game. I came in and after one day was told I was probably a baddie-- not because of anything I'd done, but rather, because you deduced it. Now you say there's no point in trying to change your mind.
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"It's all spelled out"Prisoner 509378 wrote:I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.Dom wrote:Well you're wrong.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Dom, it's all spelled out. You can only be town if certain other players have cop team mates that strike me as unlikely.
And you wonder why I'm not sold on this game. I came in and after one day was told I was probably a baddie-- not because of anything I'd done, but rather, because you deduced it. Now you say there's no point in trying to change your mind.
I can't win here.
Yeah, you pretty much did say that. Sloonei has literally used the phrase "you can't win" in regards to me.
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Dom, I hereby officially welcome you to try to change my mind. Please do.
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You could start by sharing your perceived team of four cops.
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Its very clever. I think he wants to provoke a reaction from me to try to shift the wagon back on me. I have two choices:Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero, what is your answer to Epi's chaindeath vote?
1) Vote for Chaindeath, decreasing the lead on Dom and splitting the wagon. Not a good choice.
2) Not vote for Chaindeath and get accused by Epi for being indecisive, probably causing votes to come back on me. Epi will say something like: "There is a wagon for chaindeath now, why don´t you vote for it? This is what you have been waiting for." and frame me when I don´t.
So far Im keeping my vote on Dom. I don´t want Epi to manipulate me.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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I'm going to look deeper into the Nero/chain dynamic and come to a decision on that, because my other reads largely hinge upon it. For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that one of them has been lynched and flipped cop. I will judge the other for his interactions to decide whether they make good cop team mates.
Day 1:
chaindeath said nothing about Nero on Day 1. He voted for Long Con.
Nero was unimpressed by chain's Day 1 vote for Long Con, suggesting it was "somewhat sheepish".
Nero voted for chain on Day 1, and it was his final vote. This was the second vote for chain after Scotty, and the 20th final vote overall. The two larger wagons on Day 1 were for DrWilgy and Diiny, but each of them were bolstered by two late votes beyond 20th overall. This tells me that when Nero placed his vote for chain, chain was still a viable lynch possibility and that this vote wasn't quite avoidant of the wagons that ended up taking over later. If they're team mates, it was bold of Nero to drop this vote as he departed Day 1, since it appears chaindeath really could have ended up lynched. I think this is in part why llama thought chaindeath was being scapegoated on Day 1.
This is perhaps affirmed by something Nero said later in the game when forced to answer for his vote:
Day 2:
chaindeath said nothing about Nero on Day 2. He voted for DDL.
On Day 2, Nero answered to an accusation that he had placed a weak vote. He asserted that it was chain's "weak vote" that had motivated his vote in the first place, but also granted that chain had "redeemed himself in his last post", which is a significant concession.
Nerolunar, please return to this moment in the game and explain what chaindeath post you were talking about then and why it made you feel better about him if only for a moment.
Nero's Day 2 vote ended on ika, placed 6th overall (quite early).
Day 3:
A little neutral discussion of ika's picture-posting gimmick.
Nero returned to his pingy perspective of chaindeath, and this exchange shows chain defending himself against that. Nero's prod resulted in chain providing a number of reads. The reads were all vague and unsupported, but they're still reads and that has some analytic value. It's a decent look that Nero squeezed this out of him. It's a lot to ask one's own baddie team mate to spew useful information into the game thread. It's not unheard of though obviously.
chaindeath turned against Nero on Day 3 with this small case. His central point seemed to be that he thought Nero was misrepresenting his play and that Nero had apparently copied one of his contributions in some way or another. That's a strange accusation; it kind of looks like chaindeath was searching for a reason to accuse Nero rather than sharing one he discovered organically.
chaindeath's Day 3 vote ended there on Nero. His was the 16th overall vote and the 3rd of 4 for Nero. This is again at least a little noteworthy, because the other larger wagons of the day (Long Con and sig) were all bolstered at the end by final votes that came after chain's vote for Nero. This means that from chain's perspective when this vote was placed, a Nero lynch should have appeared at least reasonably plausible.
Nero reiterated in other discussions that chaindeath was one of if not his most preferred lynch option of Day 3.
Nero again pushes for a chaindeath lynch on Day 3. He indicates with bold and underline that means to place a vote, but it appears he never did. He's documented as a missed vote for Day 3. He realized this on Night 3:
It's a bit hard to understand how he'd just plain forget to click on the poll option, but I also don't understand what a baddie would stand to gain by "forgetting" on purpose. I'm inclined to believe him.
To be continued...
Day 1:
chaindeath said nothing about Nero on Day 1. He voted for Long Con.
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chaindeath said nothing about Nero on Day 2. He voted for DDL.
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Nerolunar, please return to this moment in the game and explain what chaindeath post you were talking about then and why it made you feel better about him if only for a moment.
Nero's Day 2 vote ended on ika, placed 6th overall (quite early).
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chaindeath's Day 3 vote ended there on Nero. His was the 16th overall vote and the 3rd of 4 for Nero. This is again at least a little noteworthy, because the other larger wagons of the day (Long Con and sig) were all bolstered at the end by final votes that came after chain's vote for Nero. This means that from chain's perspective when this vote was placed, a Nero lynch should have appeared at least reasonably plausible.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Meanwhile, Nero and Soneji always seem to be creeping on this thread at the same time.
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I guess it is this post. In hindsight it is not that great a post, but at least he provided some thoughts and tried to actively discuss something. Well, I can´t have been entirely convinced by this as my suspicion returned after a while. Hmm.chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath has finished reading all of the posts to this point, in the stead of lunch might he add. He would like to acknowledge that he is flattered that thellama would not vote to lynch chaindeath. However, He wishes to let his suspicions be known of Matt and Silverwolf. Matt is acting oddly, and chaindeath is not put at ease with any of Matt's posts. Silverwolf seems fishy as well (odd since shes a wolf and all) he is not comfortable with the snap votes as soon as the polls opened.
Also Chaindeath would like to start a discussion about the hosts night powers. Perhaps the flower of the cosmos was able to redirect the night arrest away from the intended target, especially since in the day before she lost quite a bit from her family. He proposes that she is trying to keep her family at a size that would allow for a fighting chance. In the same mannor,he took the cup, that He thinks that the foot-covering used his power to radically harm the her family. He requests your thoughts.
I did honestly forget to click the button that day
And on the topic of creeping I am regularly visiting this site to see if someone posted more.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Hey chaindeath, who do you think the last four cops are?
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Reading those interactions I can see more that the whole chaindeath/Nero thing stems from an actual misunderstanding of intent. In that early post Nero quoted from CD where he voted LC, Nero seemed to take the typing part to be about LC when I read that as CD basically saying that he fucked up in his last post where he meant to vote LC(he hadn't bolded and underlined it though). I can't remember his actual reason for voting LC, will look it up in a bit but yeah, just seems like a case of CD's weird writing style causing confusion. Then chaindeath in one of his recent posts seemed to misunderstand what Nero was suggesting in regards to picking a lynchee we're both confident in and would provide info.
That post where he corrected his formatting for his LC vote had me a bit pinged before, in that it seemed weird for him to make another post when his previous one made it clear where his vote was. That one Nero just quoted also had me pinged as it seemed to try to buddy llama, court sympathy with the skipping lunch thing and then talk about a game mechanic(host powers) that doesn't do us any good to discuss. After learning that he seems to be a newer player and that these are consistent mannerisms of his, I find it had to see any manipulative intent in those posts.
That post where he corrected his formatting for his LC vote had me a bit pinged before, in that it seemed weird for him to make another post when his previous one made it clear where his vote was. That one Nero just quoted also had me pinged as it seemed to try to buddy llama, court sympathy with the skipping lunch thing and then talk about a game mechanic(host powers) that doesn't do us any good to discuss. After learning that he seems to be a newer player and that these are consistent mannerisms of his, I find it had to see any manipulative intent in those posts.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Continuing my investigation of the Nero/chaindeath connection...
Day 4:
chaindeath restated his "discomfort" with Nero on Day 4 in vague terms.
Later in the day phase that discomfort escalated to "sure Nero is bad". This was chain's very next post, though it came about 16 hours after the previous.
lol WTF. He indicated his vote with a bold and underline but never clicked on the bloody poll. This is a weird trend. He's documented as a missed vote for Day 4.
These posts actually came in Night 3, but close enough. Nero continues to be pretty vocal about his desire to lynch chaindeath, and the language of his read progressively gets more severe.
Nero had a pretty quiet Day 4 though. He doesn't appear to have joined the action until later in the phase, and his focus was squarely on sig. This is his only mention of chaindeath on Day 4:
His final vote was for sig (6th overall, which is actually early). If there was a phase where Nero didn't push as hard to lynch chaindeath as it seems he should have, this was the phase. He justified his move against sig in this post:
Day 5:
chain's Day 5 posts are rife with Nero references, starting with this. They have another mildly argumentative exchange about chain's Day 1 LC vote.
chain responds to another strongly worded ("confirmed scum to me") accusation from Nero. Nero's accusation is an assertion that chain reminds of him of himself in Arkham (as a baddie), chain's response is essentially WIFOM.
Nero's Day 5 vote ended on Boomslang, and this was his explanation for why it didn't land on chaindeath. He said he wanted to "put his vote to use" within a more relevant wagon. This Boomslang vote came 24th overall and was the 2nd final vote out of 4 on him. However, I recall a lot of vote movement at the end of Day 5 from numerous people onto DDL, so it's pretty difficult to gauge exactly what the tally looked like at this point. chaindeath finished with 0 votes and I don't think he was ever a top candidate to be lynched.
Day 6
This is one of the most interesting moments of chaindeath's post history to me. He voted ika and then immediately moved that vote to Nero. Then later in the day phase me moved back to ika with the post that many people felt was just terrible at face value:
The timestamps also show that chaindeath was present two hours prior to this, suggesting that he was monitoring the motion of the thread in some capacity before joining the ika wagon (the counterwagon was Boomslang, and they both flipped town). At this point it just seems like chaindeath drops his vote onto Nero by default, like he has no idea what else to do with it until the tally moves him elsewhere.
Nero humorously voices his anticipation of my own pledge to draw up a case against chaindeath on Day 6.
Technically Night 6: Nero reacts to the first recorded assertion (to my knowledge) by sig that he might be chaindeath's cop team mate. He implies it's hard to understand how they could be paired given his long-term desire to get chaindeath lynched. He throws in his support with me when I promote the idea of lynching chaindeath next, and adds that Boomslang would also be acceptable.
Day 7:
Night 6 technically. I suggested some suspicion that Nero and chaindeath might be team mates who had spent the game distancing from one another, and this was chaindeath's response to that. The wording is rather fun: "...they have been trying to get the town to lynch one another...". This is a similar response to what Nero gave earlier when sig made a similar suggestion.
chain gave us his top two lynches later in Day 7. Suddenly TH is number one, and who knows why. Nero is relegated to a second priority, but he never really pushed the lynch of anyone in any serious manner. His willingness to dive headfirst into the TH lynch for basically no reason is suspicious on its own power though.
He reiterates this strong cop read on chaindeath and Boomslang on Day 7.
He throws in his vote for chaindeath. This is perhaps another important moment -- he was willing to lynch either Boomslang (town flip) or chaindeath, and opted to place his initial vote for chaindeath. Epignosis has asserted that Nero has never truly been interested in getting chain lynched, and this moment is where I think we all have some ability to judge for ourselves. If the momentum of the thread on Day 7 had moved against chaindeath instead of against Boomslang (and later Turnip Head), do we think Nerolunar would have faltered in this vote and in his crusade? Think about that.
Nero voices some indirect resistance to the TH wagon particularly given chaindeath's participation in it.
By the end of the day phase, Nero's final vote was planted on Boomslang. He never went for the TH wagon, and didn't hold on to the option of lynching chaindeath when thread momentum moved much more strongly against the other two.
To be continued... The prisoner never sleeps.
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lol WTF. He indicated his vote with a bold and underline but never clicked on the bloody poll. This is a weird trend. He's documented as a missed vote for Day 4.
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Nero had a pretty quiet Day 4 though. He doesn't appear to have joined the action until later in the phase, and his focus was squarely on sig. This is his only mention of chaindeath on Day 4:
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Day 6
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By the end of the day phase, Nero's final vote was planted on Boomslang. He never went for the TH wagon, and didn't hold on to the option of lynching chaindeath when thread momentum moved much more strongly against the other two.
To be continued... The prisoner never sleeps.
Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
I am starting to see both Nero and CD as town and its confusing the hell out of me.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Who are the cops in such a scenario?Soneji wrote:I am starting to see both Nero and CD as town and its confusing the hell out of me.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Chaindeath thinks the cops are probably:Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey chaindeath, who do you think the last four cops are?
Nerolunar
Dom
Elochin
Soneji
Linki @ Soneji - 4. All votes must be cast in the poll to count. It is considered standard and good form to post at the time of your vote and indicate your vote with bold/underline. Your hosts would very much appreciate that you do this, so please do so, but it is not necessary for your vote to count.
Chaindeath was just trying to adhere to this, had he known it was going to cause such a fuss he wouldn't have. Cripe.
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
chaindeath, why did you support the attempted lynch of Turnip Head?
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That is what is confusing me. If both of them are town, then one of the strong town pile has to be mafia alongside Epi, Dom and Elo. If I had a gun to my head on who between SVS, TH and Sloonei it would be, its SVS.
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Re: [NIGHT 9] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Chaindeath was trying to say that Nero hasn't built cases and it would seem that he has tended to use other peoples to achieve his end. (chaindeath thinks scottys case was the last one Nero referenced.)Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'm not quite sure I understand exactly what you mean here, chaindeath. This is not an accusation, just a friendly request for you to try to restate your point another way.chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is going to place his vote on Nerolunar. He feels that this post is fishy because although Nero says that we need to lynch people who arn't providing information in favor of our pursuit of the cops. Perhaps chaindeath is not the best person to call someone on this but it would seem that apart from saying outright that these people are cops Nero hasn't done much of what he is saying the baddies are doing. Thoughts?
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Re: [Day 10] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Why S~V~S? She would seem to have the strongest mechanical argument in her favor of anyone in the game save arguably for Turnip Head. Black Rock's arrest should almost entirely clear her.Soneji wrote:That is what is confusing me. If both of them are town, then one of the strong town pile has to be mafia alongside Epi, Dom and Elo. If I had a gun to my head on who between SVS, TH and Sloonei it would be, its SVS.
The review has strengthened my belief that chaindeath as scum, contrary to your own perspective. His voting behavior is quite flaky. A lot of focus has been given to his LC vote on Day 1, but he really doesn't boast any strong votes. His votes on Day 6 prior to the eventual lynch of ika were very questionable. I have no idea why he supported the lynch of Turnip Head. I don't think it's difficult to find opportunism there.