[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Sloonei]

So far all of my town reads minus Turnip Head have voted and are on Epi, and all my scum reads have not voted at all. I like this.

If Epi is good I will [shameful act of repentance].

[Tangrowth]

Okay, we have internet! Finally. It's been over 24 hours. If either of us has missed a question, please PM us both. I've been trying to respond to folks on my phone using 3G off and on throughout the day but it's possible I missed something.

Daisy is working second shift today, so either I'm on my own and can do Day 11 timely or I wait for her. Today I happen to have social obligations, however, that are likely to still be occurring when the deadline ends, so even with the internet back it's still very likely we will be handling Day 11 stuff after she gets off work, so around 10:00PM Central. Night 11 will still be 24 hours.

What we do about Day 12 going forward will be TBD, assuming the game continues on until then.

[chaindeath]

Chaindeath is not sure who to vote for. If we vote so Epi and he ends up being a Don then the town loses, probably. But that seems to be the way it'll work for anyone at this point.

[Prisoner 509378]

Chaindeath is not sure who to vote for. If we vote so Epi and he ends up being a Don then the town loses, probably. But that seems to be the way it'll work for anyone at this point.

Do you think he is the don?

[chaindeath]

He thinks that he could be, but God is Chaindeath unsure.

[Sloonei]

He thinks that he could be, but God is Chaindeath unsure.

Why? What makes you think it's him? Who is the other Don?

[chaindeath]

It's a toss up between sloonei, Epi and TH.

[Sloonei]

As in 2 of the 3 of us are Dons? Do you think the third person (i.e. the one of us that is not a don) is necessarily a cop? Or do you think all 3 of us could be town, even if only two are dons? How would you rank us from Most Likely Don to Least?

[chaindeath]

Probably TH 1 since he survived a lunch then sloonei then Eli.

[chaindeath]

In defending Don order.

[Sloonei]

Why is Epi last?

[Sloonei]

And why is him being Don suspect #3 enough to deter you from voting for him? Do you think him not being a Don means he has to be a cop? Or can he not be a Don but still be town?

[chaindeath]

Because you seem to be town more than he does. However there is still a townie position and Chaindeath thinks it's him.

[Prisoner 509378]

Because you seem to be town more than he does. However there is still a townie position and Chaindeath thinks it's him.

Which one?

[chaindeath]

It has to be cappo or crew because they nked Don.

[chaindeath]

Dom* fricken auto correct

[Sloonei]

It has to be cappo or crew because they nked Don.

I think SVS killed Dom.

[Prisoner 509378]

I think S~V~S killed Dom on Sloonei's command.

Epi was calling Dom a stool pidgeon or another don (which actually lessens the logic of Epi-as-don itself). Why do you think he should be linked to the Dom kill, chaindeath?

[Prisoner 509378]

I think S~V~S killed Dom on Sloonei's command.

Or Turnip Head's command. Both of those scenarios make sense.

[chaindeath]

Chaindeath isn't sure it works that way. From how it reads the crew =/= to the hitmen.

Prisoner Chaindeath hadn't thought about it that way...

[Prisoner 509378]

Chaindeath isn't sure it works that way. From how it reads the crew =/= to the hitmen.

Prisoner Chaindeath hadn't thought about it that way...

Now that you have, what are your thoughts?

[Elohcin]

I guess we are voting for Epi today. I have to vote a bit early b/c I will be gone this evening.

[Sloonei]

Looks like we're back online.

[chaindeath]

Chaindeath wasn't able to vote. He couldn't get onto the Syndicate 504 Error

[Sloonei]

And that tally is finalized. Let's hope we're right.

[Sloonei]

Chaindeath wasn't able to vote. He couldn't get onto the Syndicate 504 Error

Yeah, it's been down for me as well.

[Prisoner 509378]

Hah, it kicked back on right after the deadline.

Oh well, I doubt it would have changed.

[Sloonei]

We've still got a couple hours to we get to see the flip. Anyone got any scary ghost stories?

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm tempted to just assume a cop flip is on the way and begin assessing Epi interactions accordingly. The game is 98% over anyway if not.

[Sloonei]

Yeah, I feel confident that they game's gonna continue.

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm limiting the scope of this review because we all already know what has happened recently and it'll save time. Maybe the earlier content will prove more illuminating.

Things Epignosis said about chaindeath prior to Day 9

Spoiler: show

Can someone hook up chaidneath with a tldr of the day so far? He has classwork to do and not enough time to read through 400+ posts from the time he was away. To the direct accusations at him he would like to say if you lynch him you lynch a townie. There is no way to make this clearer that he knows of. He is going to vote Nero because he still thinks he's bad. All aboard the train hes going into a tunnel (or has been in one for a while).

You jumped off that pretty quick.

chaindeath is back.

He has switched his vote to Ika to kill the tie. He doesn't understand how he's bad but if the town wishes it this civ will turn himself in and let the cops roll through another night phase.

Uh, no sir.

You just made my list.

chaindeath

indiglo, my amusing friend. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I feel comfortable supporting you if it comes down to it again.

Well, I certainly don't have any special knowledge, so let me put that out there. But I'd feel ok with Boomrique again. And I'm also interested in looking Quin's way. I'm more comfortable looking at sig again too. (Ain't that a shocker?)

Beyond that, I am also totally open to listening to anyone in the Fantastic Four (not necessarily accurate in number, but you catch my drift) and who they would like to go after.

chaindeath is my new #1.

chaindeath is where I'm voting. He voted ika, went to Nerolunar, and then went back to ika because "that's what the civilians want."

I still have a lot of reading to do, but by God it ain't happening tonight. Today sucked.

Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

Are you asking me what changed? I don't know.

I think chaindeath made a clumsy move. That's why he has my vote.

What's your assessment of chaindeath's vote for ika?

Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

Remember, this is all pre-Day 9. Consider it alongside more recent content to come to a final perspective.

[Sloonei]

I'm limiting the scope of this review because we all already know what has happened recently and it'll save time. Maybe the earlier content will prove more illuminating.

Things Epignosis said about chaindeath prior to Day 9

Spoiler: show

Can someone hook up chaidneath with a tldr of the day so far? He has classwork to do and not enough time to read through 400+ posts from the time he was away. To the direct accusations at him he would like to say if you lynch him you lynch a townie. There is no way to make this clearer that he knows of. He is going to vote Nero because he still thinks he's bad. All aboard the train hes going into a tunnel (or has been in one for a while).

You jumped off that pretty quick.

chaindeath is back.

He has switched his vote to Ika to kill the tie. He doesn't understand how he's bad but if the town wishes it this civ will turn himself in and let the cops roll through another night phase.

Uh, no sir.

You just made my list.

chaindeath

indiglo, my amusing friend. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I feel comfortable supporting you if it comes down to it again.

Well, I certainly don't have any special knowledge, so let me put that out there. But I'd feel ok with Boomrique again. And I'm also interested in looking Quin's way. I'm more comfortable looking at sig again too. (Ain't that a shocker?)

Beyond that, I am also totally open to listening to anyone in the Fantastic Four (not necessarily accurate in number, but you catch my drift) and who they would like to go after.

chaindeath is my new #1.

chaindeath is where I'm voting. He voted ika, went to Nerolunar, and then went back to ika because "that's what the civilians want."

I still have a lot of reading to do, but by God it ain't happening tonight. Today sucked.

Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

Are you asking me what changed? I don't know.

I think chaindeath made a clumsy move. That's why he has my vote.

What's your assessment of chaindeath's vote for ika?

Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

Remember, this is all pre-Day 9. Consider it alongside more recent content to come to a final perspective.

Gut says I like the way chaindeath looks here. Epi's suspicion from a few days back where he got on ika for that "if it's what town wants" remark looks opportunistic in hindsight.

[Prisoner 509378]

Things Epignosis said about Elohcin and Serge prior to Day 9:

Spoiler: show

I wanted to go over the Long Con voters yesterday, but I had other stuff to do.

Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Turnip Head first became suspicious of LC here and enthusiastically encouraged people to lynch him. I don't get the impression that that enthusiasm was phony.
In contrast, Silverwolf's vote was, for my tastes, weak and decidedly unenthusiastic.
a2z admitted to voting to save sig (and accused Silverwolf of being bad in the bargain).
Serge likes "emergency sig," whatever that is.
Quin admitted to actually saving sig, but the vote for LC was cast begrudgingly.

ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Only Quin and Serge from the earlier list voted to lynch ika Day 2.

As far as I can gather (some of the quote tags are messed up), Quin voted ika for what he later decided were cultural differences (a change facilitated by sig), and then voted ika again because ika was being arrogant and not giving Quin anything to work with. Correct me if I'm wrong in that assessment, but if that's the case, I don't know what to make of it.

Serge's post I'm going to quote rather than link:

I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?

Serge: You characterized ika as "a very naughty deer caught between the headlights." I won't give you an A for figurative language (what the hell does that even mean?), but what I want to know is this: How is "emergency sig," which you liked, different or similar to "very naughty deer caught between the headlights ika" Day 2? In more detail than strange similes, what led you to vote ika Day 2 and LC Day 3?

Because if sig is bad, I think you should be next.

No posts Friday:

Boomslang (says he's busy)
DDL (got mad)
Golden
Scotty (didn't see a reason)
Serge (hasn't posted since Tuesday though)
sig

Suggestion to the prisoner: Bump llama up to green and Eloh up to yellow.

I get the impression that Eloh is a warm, willing body (aw yeeeeah) who isn't going to be posting cases or blowing minds with revelations. Her vote suggests to me that she's going to follow the crowd and hope for a win. That alone doesn't speak to alignment, but I'm on the side of the fence that says she's aight. I understand if you maintain skepticism, but I'd pull her out of the red.

Spoiler: show

I have a test to determine if Eloh is bad or not. Who's in?

This post is what I'm talking about.

Spoiler: show

Eloh, I think, isn't going to click through all these tags. As I said, she's just here.

Therefore:

Spoiler: show

You should build a huge case on me. Vote for me. If Eloh defends me, she's good, If she hedges on me or backs off, she's bad.

Spoiler: show

5 votes on Boomslang is not enough for my liking, no sir

One vote on sig is not enough for my liking.

Do you think Eloh not reading the thread reflects on her in any certain way?

Whaddya think of that thing Soneji just did?

Eloh not reading the thread means she doesn't have a team- no one she's going to disappoint. She said herself she was just going to add to the vote number, and I have no reason to doubt that.

[Ricochet]

Sloonei just passed the 1K mark and became the #2 Syndicate member in individual game post count.

...only to get passed by P50, who achieved 1K in only 6 active cycles

[Prisoner 509378]

Things Epignosis said about Nerolunar prior to Day 9:

Spoiler: show

Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Reasons I think Nero is town:

What is the point of asking silverworlf, or any player at all, if they are town? Also if silverwolf is the player you feel you can read the best, why are you focusing so much on her? Shouldn't you work on the players you can't read so well?

Reactoins, reads, what they say. I mean theres like endless reasons to ask it in general. To undertsand ym you first need to knwo i need a person i can talk to and trust. silver is the only person here i knwo and i can read acurately. So if shes scum i push her hard to get her lynched. If shes town we have the ultimate syagery and can decimate scums.

Players i cant read so well (aka everyone else) im not trying to sort on a day 1 phase. it would be more around mid/late day 2/day 3 where i try to do so

What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

In the one other game I played with him (Zodiac) he was bad (and I know everyone but me, llama, and G-man was bad in that game, but still!) and I noticed on Day 1 Nero was just hopping on board with a lot of pre-existing cases and didn't really appear to be trying to figure things out. This post here reads as a genuine Thought Process to me. He's asking questions and getting involved. Ditto on this follow up post where he puts a vote on ika. He has a series of posts focusing on ika/silverwolf, and I have no trouble reading these posts as a series of progressing thoughts about the two of them as he asks questions and gets answers. I can see his thought process unfolding and it makes sense.

He also has a few other posts where he points out things that he find suspicious, but doesn't go overboard on them. He doesn't seem too hasty to name a suspect, and is letting the game come to him at a natural pace. I like that, it indicates to me, again, that his thought process is a natural and honest one.
Examples: here, here, here.

He hasn't posted the most content in the thread, but Nero has struck me as one of the most consistent and agreeable players in the thread so far this game. I haven't seen any big cases made against him, but I don't really understand why there would be one. If someone's got a case, please share it.

It amazes me that you can have that kind of read on Nerolunar based on Zodiac. You have Wligy levels of perception.

@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.

I don't have a case against you. Yet.

So we've had a night phase. What fresh information do we have? Do you still want to lynch me?

*snip*

Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

"Fresh information."

Radical Fuzz was bad, got lynched because of vote manipulation, and these two want to lynch me...for information? Yeah...to hell with that.

Once you have your information, lynch these two next. They both articulate a willingness to lynch me for information, but they don't express what would be discovered if I did get lynched and was or was not a cop. What information are they looking to gather? To me, this suggests an eagerness to get voters to overlook the important information we already have. You know, like that fact Radical Fuzz was bad.

*snip*

++++

If I'm popped tonight, my top three are sig, Quin, and Nerolunar.

Hm, Im not sure. You seem more civ now than before, but your weird behavior with avoiding wagons and such are still questionable.

"Weird behavior." Hi, I'm Epignosis. And you are?

Nah, I didn't avoid anything. Would you rather me vote without having read the thread?

This post, Epi. You clearly held the same opinion for me as you did him right here.

linki: You're right Epi, of course. The way I went about addressing that issue was definitely weird, but I don't regret it because it lead me to understand how Wilgy felt about you before he died. How do you feel about Metalmarsh now? I know you scumread him as much as you did me, but have those feelings changed? Why did you pick me over the marmot to lynch?

Eh? When did this happen?

Help me out here.

I'm not sure how. It's all right there.

I don't mention MetalMarsh89 in the post you quoted. I have no idea what you're getting at. MM voted me Day 1, but I didn't suspect him for it. He had a reason (a bad one), but he had a reason.

Aw shit. I think I mixed up metalmarsh with nerolunar. I have no excuse.

Oh, hell. I should've been able to figure that out.

There's a possibility I'll vote Nerolunar instead of you. I've got to think about it though. Here's why:

Ugh. My first lynch priority today so far is Ika, but he can´t even defend himself so it would be a really rude move to lynch him. I will be looking for other suspects instead. Im considering Zebra or any of the other low posters like Black Rock or Soneji, or even Chaindeath. Well, mostly Chaindeath now that I think about it.

@ Quin

Before you asked me if I didn´t find Sloonei suspicious because he had the same behavior as you for a bit at the CFD. I do believe it was just as weird, but he is striking me as town in all other areas so far. Although you have defended yourself very well recently.

Linki - sometimes the linkis doesnt show up, and sometimes they do. Its weird.

This post indicates that Nerolunar thinks both Fuzz and ika are cops. That would be something if they were. But check this:

I have more thoughts on today's discussion, but a quick post just as an observation: ika has only been posting in pictures since the night started. Is it possible that maybe this was his "payment" for a role in the vote loan, if he took part in it? Is there a role akin to insanifying but with pictures? I need to go back and reread the roles real quick.

Update, there aren't really any police roles that give something like this. It's possible that it has something to do with Team Socky's secret role but since the action started at the very beginning of Night 2, I'm inclined to believe it's his payment for vote loans.

I agree with this. I doubt a secret role is cursing people- I would figure a the secret roles (designed by the players) would be more inventive. Loaned votes have to be repaid according to terms decided by the loan shark.

So if Nerolunar is right, and gleam is right, then that means ika borrowed votes and put them on a teammate for Day 2. That would be...incredibly stupid, right?

Then Nerolunar feels sad that he can't go after ika and then names a number of low posters instead. This is Day 3. After Radical Fuzz got lynched and was bad.

I may have just talked myself into voting Nerolunar.

Epignosis had voted for me based on very little evidence(the steering of the thread) and that pinged me. He has exhibited civ behavior lately though, so Im neutral on him now.

Nerolunar

Am I exhibiting civilian behavior now?

Nerolunar. My opinion hasn't changed yet.

New train of thought: Nerolunar should be lynched. Go.

New train of thought: Nerolunar should be lynched. Go.

You're awfully focused on him. Is there anything else on your mind?

Yes, but nothing game related. I'm hoping I win money tonight after a shitty weekend.

But hell yeah I'm awfully focused on him.

Nerolunar was in third place after sig and LC. LC was good. I suspect sig too, but I figure he's going to get enough today without my help. There's more than two cops, and I still think Nerolunar is one of them. I want to know why the thread went nuts for LC out of nowhere (in terms of a 48 hour day), but Nerolunar got no added votes.

Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei just passed the 1K mark and became the #2 Syndicate member in individual game post count.

...only to get passed by P50, who achieved 1K in only 6 active cycles

Prison can do some strange things to a man.

[Sloonei]

I continue to struggle to put a definitive read on either Nerolunar or chaindeath. Parts of Epi's interactions with each of them looks like bussing, parts look like opportunism.

[Prisoner 509378]

Things Epignosis said about Sloonei prior to Day 9:

Spoiler: show

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Oh wow, imagine seeing you in these parts!


In other news, I think it's transcendent that we are having the Voting a Non-Participant discussion again, and on my first day back!. Historically, I am very fond of this tactic (that is, in the absence of anything meatier -we've certainly had meat in the room on day 1, so to speak).

This post just caught my eye. I acknowledge that Mongoose has expressed some pretty legitimate reasons to not be active thus far, but when a player goes out of their way to express both of the thoughts expressed in the bottom paragraph, and then doesn't provide the thread with any meat herself, I can't help but see it as a player who is potentially trying to fluff up their own posts by spouting pro-town sentiments without actually contributing anything to the townie cause. Or the family cause. or whatever.
Putting my vote on Mongoose and then passing out.

Ooh. Now I have a reason to vote for somebody.

Someone ask me why Sloonei is bad.

whys sloonei bad mr nosis

Mongoose does what Sloonei accused her of. All the time. And I have missed Mongoose something fierce.

Never have I ever played in a game with Mongoose.

I know. She's a peach.

I'm going to bed. I'll move my vote off you then if I'm satisfied with your apology for suspecting Mongoose.

Reasons I think Nero is town:

What is the point of asking silverworlf, or any player at all, if they are town? Also if silverwolf is the player you feel you can read the best, why are you focusing so much on her? Shouldn't you work on the players you can't read so well?

Reactoins, reads, what they say. I mean theres like endless reasons to ask it in general. To undertsand ym you first need to knwo i need a person i can talk to and trust. silver is the only person here i knwo and i can read acurately. So if shes scum i push her hard to get her lynched. If shes town we have the ultimate syagery and can decimate scums.

Players i cant read so well (aka everyone else) im not trying to sort on a day 1 phase. it would be more around mid/late day 2/day 3 where i try to do so

What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

In the one other game I played with him (Zodiac) he was bad (and I know everyone but me, llama, and G-man was bad in that game, but still!) and I noticed on Day 1 Nero was just hopping on board with a lot of pre-existing cases and didn't really appear to be trying to figure things out. This post here reads as a genuine Thought Process to me. He's asking questions and getting involved. Ditto on this follow up post where he puts a vote on ika. He has a series of posts focusing on ika/silverwolf, and I have no trouble reading these posts as a series of progressing thoughts about the two of them as he asks questions and gets answers. I can see his thought process unfolding and it makes sense.

He also has a few other posts where he points out things that he find suspicious, but doesn't go overboard on them. He doesn't seem too hasty to name a suspect, and is letting the game come to him at a natural pace. I like that, it indicates to me, again, that his thought process is a natural and honest one.
Examples: here, here, here.

He hasn't posted the most content in the thread, but Nero has struck me as one of the most consistent and agreeable players in the thread so far this game. I haven't seen any big cases made against him, but I don't really understand why there would be one. If someone's got a case, please share it.

It amazes me that you can have that kind of read on Nerolunar based on Zodiac. You have Wligy levels of perception.

I'm confused why you think that was a null game. I was only in it for Day 1, at which time none of the 9 scums knew what kind of game it was. They all presumably would been thinking along normal scum lines, and their behavior should have reflected that. Unless you want to tell me you knew exactly what the setup was from the very beginning.
But also I'd probably still be reading him as town even if that game never happened. Nothing about his posts seems dishonest to me.

It wasn't a mafia game. It was more like Last Man Team Standing, so I don't see how anyone puts stock in it when determining what someone would or would not do as Mafia. No, I didn't know what the setup was from the beginning, but I had a much better idea after Day 1. Can you accurately measure someone's Mafia game based on a Day 1?

Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.

Why me?

You don't seem as aggressive as usual. It's disconcerting.

People have been saying that about me for the past several months.

I still want to know why Epi voted for zebra yesterday. He was there at the end but cast an outlier vote.

linki: speak of the devil!

I don't understand how this is such a mystery. I came home under the assumption that I would be voting to save myself. I ended up not having to do that, but I still had seven pages to read and people kept posting and posting. So I voted to give zebra a reaction.

In general, I hate ties (unless I create them ), but there was no way I was going to be able to make an informed decision in fifteen minutes. So I stayed out. To say I was "there at the end" is misleading. I was online, but seven pages behind.

In every game I've ever played with Long Con, other people have been able to express very confident reads on him based on some sort of meta that I've never been able to recognize. Granted, this is only like the third time we've played together over the course of about a year. I'll ISO him at some point soon and see what I come up with.

It feels like every time I've suspected Long Con, he was good, and every time I've defended him, he was bad. I think I have gotten his alignment right all of one time.

I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched.

True.

I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Agreed.

Still amazed you're still around.

Likewise. At least baddies can question my role in this game, literally to include what my night actions might be if any or even what my alignment is. Why do you think you're still here? You don't often see Day 8.

Not in speed games, no, but I last a long time in full games. In all the full games I've played, I've made it past Day 8 in well over half of them. I've only won once as a civilian in a full game- all other wins were Mafia. I'd prefer such statistics not be used against me.

Why is your natural response to refer to past games for rather than anything particular to this one?

The questioner alluded to past games. I looked at all the full games I've been in to see how long I lasted before I answered. I often see Day 8 in full games. It usually means I'm bad or I'm bad. Two different definitions on those adjectives. I'll let you work it out.

Thank Epi. We'll lynch sig after you.

[Prisoner 509378]

Thing Epignosis said about Soneji prior to Day 99:

Spoiler: show

Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

Have you ever met Mongoose before?

[Prisoner 509378]

Things Epignosis said about Turnip Head prior to Day 9:

Spoiler: show

In every game I've ever played with Long Con, other people have been able to express very confident reads on him based on some sort of meta that I've never been able to recognize. Granted, this is only like the third time we've played together over the course of about a year. I'll ISO him at some point soon and see what I come up with.

It feels like every time I've suspected Long Con, he was good, and every time I've defended him, he was bad. I think I have gotten his alignment right all of one time.

Okay... what do you think of him right now?

If Long Con is bad, then he voted hastily to save a teammate, and I have trouble believing that's something he would do, although maybe that's the point. If you're experienced enough being bad, you can take the risk of looking so bad that people think that there's no way you could be that bad at being bad, and they leave you alone. I've done that a few times.

I doubt that's what I'm seeing here. LC expressed suspicion of ika (however mild) before people jumped on Fuzz.

New train of thought: Nerolunar should be lynched. Go.

You're awfully focused on him. Is there anything else on your mind?

Yes, but nothing game related. I'm hoping I win money tonight after a shitty weekend.

But hell yeah I'm awfully focused on him.

Nerolunar was in third place after sig and LC. LC was good. I suspect sig too, but I figure he's going to get enough today without my help. There's more than two cops, and I still think Nerolunar is one of them. I want to know why the thread went nuts for LC out of nowhere (in terms of a 48 hour day), but Nerolunar got no added votes.

I wanted to go over the Long Con voters yesterday, but I had other stuff to do.

Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Turnip Head first became suspicious of LC here and enthusiastically encouraged people to lynch him. I don't get the impression that that enthusiasm was phony.
In contrast, Silverwolf's vote was, for my tastes, weak and decidedly unenthusiastic.
a2z admitted to voting to save sig (and accused Silverwolf of being bad in the bargain).
Serge likes "emergency sig," whatever that is.
Quin admitted to actually saving sig, but the vote for LC was cast begrudgingly.

*snip*

You're also a criminal, so there.

But are you?

No man!

The Warden's here.

Epignosis, I have no idea what you think of Turnip Head. Do you think anything of Turnip Head?

Turnip Head has a tell when he's bad. When I say that, I don't mean it's a definitive, "Turnip Head is for sure Mafia" tell, but it is something very specific I've observed him do several times when he is bad.

I haven't seen it here yet. Take that for what it's worth.

On the other hand, I read your exchange with Turnip Head and thought your point about the inconsistency regarding significant others was a good one. Turnip Head says you're twisting his words and taking them out of context. On the surface, I don't agree with him, but I'd rather look at his posts and be the judge of that myself.

Context or not, his ika vote was shit, as was most of them.

As of now, Turnip Head isn't on my list.

I started going through Turnip Head's posts, and stopped here:

I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Question: If Turnip Head is a cop, how does this Day 2 post make sense?

This, on the other hand:

Why Fuzz? I've got linki up the wazoo

Wow, this is happening

Is a good point about Fuzz not wanting to touch the ika thing, but he did say he'd break the tie and didn't care which way he broke it. That may say something in and of itself though.

Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Okay Fuzz... I'm doing it....

The first two posts imply a defense of Fuzz, albeit a soft one (the second one more so than the first). The third post sounds like feigned apprehension to me, rendered all the more unusual because Fuzz just came out and told Turnip Head to vote for him.

So now you are gonna witch hunt everyone who didn't agree with the CFD? That's what we're doing?

Because I still think it's a sloppy idea. Would've preferred if we've had a few more hours to do it.

And for the record, I'm against reading any of the people in the Fuzz lynch as civ automatically. Because if gleam or ika is also scum, this could be a great bussing job. The guy who started this whole thing is famous for his bussing skills in this forum, don't forget about that.

I'm not reading anything today though. Night.

Do you mean me? I am a she.

No. Golden. He was the one who started the CFD think iirc.

(if I'm wrong then screw that, this shit was too fast for me to form any rational thoughts).

I like to think it was a group effort. I brought up the idea of doing a CFD but didn't know who to gun for, and then SVS and Golden showed me the light.

Erm...I don't see this leading to the light in Turnip Head's post history. In one post, Golden told TH to read S~V~S's last posts, but Turnip Head ended up voting Fuzz because Fuzz told him to. The language here is exaggerated. The clouds didn't part, and there was no revelation or conversion or salvation- just a seemingly reluctant vote at the behest of the damned.

I want to make sure that sig, Enrique and the other anti-CFDers get their proper day in court. It's easy to assume they're all baddies caught with their pants down but it almost feels like thats too easy. For all we know the rest of the fuzz weren't even around at EoD.

Boomslang (Enrique) is alive.

I think sig is town. It would have been easy for him to agree with the Fuzz suspicion if bad but he was thinking critically about the CFD and he was wrong. I don't want a witch hunt against the players who were against the CFD... but of them I think Luffy looks the worst for being against it but then jumping on it anyways, but he clearly put a lot of work into analyzing Golden's role in the events, so

sig is alive.

And I see the distinction that Quin is making between being pinged by Luffy's post (about how we're not allowed to make a new bandwagon) and being against the Fuzz wagon specifically. I don't think that is as big a contradiction as Sloonei is making it out to be. Both things can be true and still be genuine.

Quin is alive.

Welcome back Matt

I'm gonna revisit Gleam. I think it's noteworthy that everyone on his wagon jumped ship for Fuzz while the other two wagons remained more or less intact. Does anyone know if any players who originally voted for Gleam ended up switching to ika?

Gleam didn't make it.

What's astounding to me about that is not that Turnip Head spoke in defense of sig, Enrique, or Quin, but that Turnip Head's initial suspicion post-Fuzz was agleaminranks...

Because at the moment that I voted Gleam-ika was 5-5. As for why it wasn't Gleam, you're not gonna like my answer, but I honestly didn't care which one got lynched.

Luffy I said I wouldn't touch the ika/Silverwolf situation. I said nothing of lynches except that I wanted to avoid ties.

But I read back and you had a ping on Gleam, you even voted for him earlier. So why don't you care?

...whom Fuzz "suspected."

Assuming llama was specifically chosen for the kill by the chief, my immediate inclination is to assume it was intended to frame Quin, who has enough enemies remaining in the thread that him just killing a threat isn't a strategically viable solution as a baddie. indiglo being killed was likely the result of her being well out of lynch territory.

If you're a highly-trusted player and you're not dead, I recommend you re-calibrate your reads. Someone is probably letting you stick around because they expect you to do something detrimental to your team.

I don't agree with your assumption. thellama73 vouched smugly for TH and without much reason. TH wasn't lynched. I'm flying with simple explanations and will not be voting for Turnip Head.

Still amazed you're still around.

[Prisoner 509378]

I think the most interesting chaindeath-relevant post Epi made was this one:

Not all cops are created equal. One is responsible for extra arrest attempts. One isn't responsible for anything. When I look for bussing attempts, I look at the value of the role power in question when I'm making a judgment.

Time to cook.

This came in his response to my accusations that his aggression against Nero were manipulative. He suggested that Nero was bussing Dom to protect his other team mate chaindeath, and the reason he gave for this assertion was that he figured Dom had a weaker cop role. This came before Dom had flipped. We now know that Dom was the rookie cop, probably the weakest role on the cop team. Epi's foresight was striking in that regard. This might suggest he already knew that chaindeath had a stronger cop role than Dom did.

[Sloonei]

We're at a stage where everyone's got a unique color.
Prisoner
Turnip Head
Soneji
Nerolunar
chaindeath
Elohcin

Everyone below Turnip Head is still very much up for debate, though.

[Epignosis]

I was unable to vote due to technical shenanigans.

[Tangrowth]

DAY 11

Who is a policeman?

Poll ended at Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:24:21 pm


chaindeath
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis
5
Sloonei (2), Soneji (3), Nerolunar (7), Prisoner 509378 (8), Elohcin (9) 56%

Nerolunar
0
No votes

Prisoner 509378
0
No votes

Sloonei
0
No votes

Soneji
0
No votes

Turnip Head
0
No votes

James Gordon (hosts, non-players)
4
MovingPictures07 (1), nijuukyugou (4), Ricochet (5), Dom (6) 44%
Total votes : 9

[Tangrowth]

We're here and working on stuff now. Sorry for the delay.

I've also been informed of the technical issues that occurred for 2 hours earlier today. Seem to be a Bluehost issue. I'll be looking further into it.

[Tangrowth]

Day 11

Epi looked up as a couple men stepped into his room. "Just what in the hell do you two think you are doing? You can't come barging in my office unannounced!"

"We most certainly can do anything we want," one of the men said, flashing a badge.

Epi looked confused, "IAB? Why are you guys here?"

"We got info you're as corrupt as the day is long and you've been mistreating prisoners. You're under arrest."

Epi was led away in handcuffs and the prisoners rejoiced.



Epignosis has been arrested. He was the Warden, a member of The Police.

Prisoner 650829 has been shanked. She was Sorsha.

It is now Night 11.

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions and elect a new Warden.

[Sloonei]

An evil presence has been ridden from the land. What happens to the prison now that the Warden is, well, a prisoner?

[Tangrowth]

An evil presence has been ridden from the land. What happens to the prison now that the Warden is, well, a prisoner?

Note that you must elect a new Warden.

[Prisoner 509378]

Freaking excellent. Just absolutely excellent.

Well done townies! Way to stick to your guns, Sloonei. Heck of a job.

Two left. This miserable disaster of a game can now be won. Let's finish the comeback!

[Prisoner 509378]

Hosts, is the new warden's alignment affected in any way by this nomination?