Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

#2451

Matt wrote:If Golden dies, does the game end? Or do we still play?

I'm not asking because of night actions or anything...

Yes, the game ends.

Everyone's win condition depends on my survival. If I die you all lose

#2452

Golden wrote:
Matt wrote:If Golden dies, does the game end? Or do we still play?

I'm not asking because of night actions or anything...

Yes, the game ends.

Everyone's win condition depends on my survival. If I die you all lose

Lol I ask because I know the game was set up for you, so I'm finding it hard to even care about reading you. Like, even if I thought you were bad, I'd probably hold it inside cuz ummm yeah. Awkward.

#2453

Nah, MP got all these champs reps from other communities. It's good practice for lots of peeps.

#2454

Golden wrote:Nah, MP got all these champs reps from other communities. It's good practice for lots of peeps.

Oh, I see.

So most of the new names I see here are also playing Champs?

Does this mean Dys is a champ? And Zex?

#2455

And Marco. Yes.

@zebra - I'd like to know your response to these posts.

#2456

Like, I don't think Matt is scum actually. Hi.

#2457

Dyslexicon wrote:Like, I don't think Matt is scum actually. Hi.

Matt seems pretty town Matt.

I'll know for sure if he starts tunnelling on me

#2458

Golden wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Like, I don't think Matt is scum actually. Hi.
Matt seems pretty town Matt.

I'll know for sure if he starts tunnelling on me

But I'm growing more suspicious of you again!^^ <3

#2459

Dyslexicon wrote:Maybe we should just wagon Soneji? I'd be up for that.

You should try to see if sig will join you

VOTE INAWORDYES

For reasons already explained.

#2460

Dyslexicon wrote:Like, I don't think Matt is scum actually. Hi.

Oh hey, thanks!

Suddenly I feel like a D list actor in a scene with DeNiro, Pacino, and Bobcat Goldthwait.

Hey, why are you the only player without a gender? You like an ewok or something?

Linki - Oh but Golden, you just gave me a free pass to do so. *sigh*

#2461

Matt wrote:Linki - Oh but Golden, you just gave me a free pass to do so. *sigh*

I mean, if you started tunneling me you'd only be adding your voice to zebra as two people who have not ever demonstrated a propensity to see my scum game, and are wrong this game, but will tunnel me anyway.

I guess I have to be ready to be tunnelled by people who don't know anything about my play style.

I was asking people to let me get practice in in the sign up thread, but already this game has given me a heck of a lot of practice. No pulling punches now.

#2462

Soneji wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Maybe we should just wagon Soneji? I'd be up for that.
You should try to see if sig will join you

VOTE INAWORDYES

For reasons already explained.

I will try to create a CFD in about 90 minutes or so. :yay:

#2463

I'd be pretty happy with IAWY or Wilgy. Either will do me fine. Would be great to see it come down to the two of them.

#2464

Golden wrote: @zebra - I'd like to know your response to these posts.

I don't see a reason why I should. You've made it clear that you believe that anyone who suspects you is an idiot for doing so regardless of what reasons they may have, so why clog the thread even more than I already have by continuing to waste my time and yours?

#2465

Matt wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Like, I don't think Matt is scum actually. Hi.
Oh hey, thanks!

Suddenly I feel like a D list actor in a scene with DeNiro, Pacino, and Bobcat Goldthwait.

Hey, why are you the only player without a gender? You like an ewok or something?

Linki - Oh but Golden, you just gave me a free pass to do so. *sigh*

I'm an emoji, I don't have a gender:

#2466

I guess that is a response, of sorts.

#2467

Golden wrote:
Matt wrote:Linki - Oh but Golden, you just gave me a free pass to do so. *sigh*
I mean, if you started tunneling me you'd only be adding your voice to zebra as two people who have not ever demonstrated a propensity to see my scum game, and are wrong this game, but will tunnel me anyway.

I guess I have to be ready to be tunnelled by people who don't know anything about my play style.

I was asking people to let me get practice in in the sign up thread, but already this game has given me a heck of a lot of practice. No pulling punches now.

Honestly I have no read of you whatsoever. I don't have a read on anyone, 'cept Wilgy, who Zebra doesn't want to lynch yet dared me to lynch him.

Hrm. So maybe I have a slight scum read of Zeebs as well.

Linki - Dys is cool beans, so I might not even ISO him and spare him the grief of having to deal wit me.

#2468

*hoping for Dys to either ignore the "hims" or correct me*

We'll find out what's goin' on...

#2469

Matt wrote:*hoping for Dys to either ignore the "hims" or correct me*

We'll find out what's goin' on...

Lol, I don't mind either way, him, her, it and they me all day. :P

#2470

I'm here!! Sorry folks, took longer than expected, then had to eat dinner. I'll start catching up ASAP.

#2471

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm here!! Sorry folks, took longer than expected, then had to eat dinner. I'll start catching up ASAP.

My sanity!

#2472

Matt wrote:I don't have a read on anyone, 'cept Wilgy, who Zebra doesn't want to lynch yet dared me to lynch him.

I didn't dare you to lynch him, I dared you to vote for him. The reason I did that was because I didn't know that you were one of the ones currently voting for MM at the time before, and so my plan was that when you voted DrWilgy giving him three votes, I would switch my vote to MM giving him three votes as well, making the two leading wagons between Wilgy and MM. Hence me referring to myself as an idiot when I realized that my plan wasn't going to work when MM suddenly had only one vote when you switched.

#2473

a2thezebra wrote:You've made it clear that you believe that anyone who suspects you is an idiot for doing so regardless of what reasons they may have.

This is not true. I've made it clear that you have no history of being able to read me and that when you've tunnelled on me in the past you've been wrong. And you are again.

Plenty of people have suspected me in this game but they've made an effort to listen to my responses and think about them. You haven't indicated any desire to do so. You just use semantic argument against me and are determined to see everything I say as more proof in your favour. I'm not the one here who is so utterly convinced of my position on someone that they can't keep things in perspective.

If you want to be pissed at me, then whatever. All I want is for people who have a propensity to tunnel me to learn. They never seem to. You, Mac, Matt... you don't tunnel me when I'm scum. You only do it when I'm town. But you never seem to learn... you just see the same things as suspicious over and over.

Your original suspicion on me appeared rooted in the fact my playstyle was different. I've tried to give the best explanation I can as to exactly what my playstyle intent is this game and why. If you don't think that is worth an actual subject-based response despite the fact it was the first root of your suspicion, then I'd have to say you aren't interested in suspecting me for game reasons at this point, but you just feel so committed to your read that you aren't willing to have rational discussion about the merits of it.

#2474

VOTE INAWORDYES

Call it a pre-emptive strike against developing things in the thread that suggest taking IAWY out of the lynch mix.

#2475

Golden, I was more than willing to have a rational discussion. I tried to with you, but YOU weren't having it. You never used reason in your responses, only condescension and malice. I'm not pissed at you, I just think that you are being too selfish in this game for me to interact with you further regarding my read of you. You have made it clear that you have no interest in this game of understanding other players' perspectives (or even consider the possibility that their "tunneling" of you is to provide more content to gain a more confident read of you and perhaps others) unless it benefits you, and I don't have time for that. It would just be a thorn in my side to entertain it further. I find it fitting that you compared my interaction with you to your earlier interaction with Silver since you weren't giving her the time of day either, all the while blaming her for your failure to communicate.

#2476

Okay, had to take care of Smashfest since MM isn't around. Now I'm going to start catching up.

#2477

enjoi y'all

#2478

I won't be around at EoD again. Good luck everyone, and please don't lynch IAWY or DrWilgy.

#2479

Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow).

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.

That's just not true. I've been keeping an open mind but every time you've posted I haven't seen any town spark at all.

Also... wtf? Why would a townie think this?

#2480

a2thezebra wrote:I won't be around at EoD again. Good luck everyone, and please don't lynch IAWY or DrWilgy.

Wait, what? Why?

I hope you explain this somewhere in the pages I need to read.

#2481

Dyslexicon wrote:Ika, You voted Sig at a point, but haven't changed it in the poll. Not important to you?

At work, when made vote, still am and are going to miss eod

#2482

Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, I agree re: Wilgy and Psi candidates, but it'd be preferable if they could give us more to work with as well. I think as a thread we definitely need to open this conversation in time for d3 though, regardless of what happens d2/n2. Hosting Turf Wars was an eye opener for me with respect to the fact that, as a site in general, we let players who contribute little slide by too often for way too long into games without thoroughly examining them. Regarding what you said about Zexy, that's intriguing; it's how I feel about Dizzy at the moment. Anyway, let's talk more table tomorrow, or feel free to comment as you wish and I can get back to you if you feel we don't need to talk in real time. It's clear I still need to ISO and reevaluate some folks I don't feel I have a good grip on anyway, so that may assist.

IAWY, I'll be sure to read your other responses and consider them thoroughly, I assure you. I'm looking for a strong spark of town from you though to convince me that you shouldn't die tomorrow, so show me and all of us what you got.

Marco, sounds good, I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I don't want to be blinded by meta with respect to Golden, or anyone else for that matter (zebra, Wilgy, and others could apply too), but I am definitely feeling pretty alright with him right now.

I need to be awake in 5 hours tops as I have a very long day tomorrow, and I'll be on campus for a while attending various meetings and what not.

So, a game-relevant warning to all you folks: For the remainder of d2 I can't promise that I will really be present much, if at all really, until sometime in the evening Central time. I should be here for the last couple/few hours before EoD at a minimum though.

Night, fellow players!
What makes you so certain that I won't die today? Are you expecting someone else to be lunched instead of me? Unless you mean tomorrow IRL instead of tomorrow as in the next day phase.

Tomorrow IRL. Also, I was saying you should die, you need to convince me that you shouldn't.

#2483

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
IAWY asked about your reads and why you read everything as null, but still came up with mafia reads. This was just my research on the topic. I discovered you were ignoring null reads, which is why IAWY noticed this trend.

I don't disagree with this tactic from you. This is just an observation. But I do want to know why you chose to ignore null when giving your stamp of approval.

Because I wanted to force myself to judge the content and give an opinion. I didn't want null reads.

#2484

a2thezebra wrote:Golden, I was more than willing to have a rational discussion. I tried to with you, but YOU weren't having it. You never used reason in your responses, only condescension and malice. I'm not pissed at you, I just think that you are being too selfish in this game for me to interact with you further regarding my read of you. You have made it clear that you have no interest in this game of understanding other players' perspectives (or even consider the possibility that their "tunneling" of you is to provide more content to gain a more confident read of you and perhaps others) unless it benefits you, and I don't have time for that. It would just be a thorn in my side to entertain it further. I find it fitting that you compared my interaction with you to your earlier interaction with Silver since you weren't giving her the time of day either, all the while blaming her for your failure to communicate.

Oh yeah, golden... never uses reason in his responses.

You didn't want reason in my responses. You dismissed all reason out of hand with attempts to trip me up in semantics and comments like 'I expected that tactic'. I mean, you ask me to explain the progression of my sloonei read, so I explain it very carefully the whole way through... and you just dismissed every aspect of it in every way. And that's me not using reason or having a reasonable discussion?

PS - I never blamed silverwolf for the failure to communicate. I think it was on both of us. If I wasn't giving her the time of day, I wouldn't have come out the other side with a town read. This kind of stuff is just bullsuit. Stop thinking you know whats going on in my head, how selfish I am etc. It's not about ME, even though you seem to want to make it about me.

#2485

Yikes, just finished page 54 and it seems we're currently on 62.

#2486

Scratch that, 63.

#2487

ika wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ika wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ika wrote:does someone want to give em a rundown of what happened while iw as gone? i went back to work and didnt read since
I voted for you once, before moving it to other things.

I hoped you could make a case on MP.
Please read this post ika.
the case was explained yesterday/today repeated, its follow up on sivlers death and his weak case and his over defensiveness and discredits

i dont buy either that MP did not account town!vig, i think he knowledge slipped that its scum vig

Would you be able to pull any quotes on it?

I recall what happened at the start of this day, but I'm not bothered by it. For what it's worth, sig also made a similar mistake, though in his case, he just didn't notice the civ vig in the matrix.
iso silver, if sig made that slip i would pin him next after MP.

if he read matrix he should see town vig easy.

You don't read my posts, do you?

#2488

Golden why'd you move your vote?

#2489

Golden wrote:Full disclosure now that its out of the bag. I think I restrained myself in saying this earlier.

MM made a comment very early in the game which I felt revealed that he thought MP had implied a town power role. I also thought MP had effectively implied this, but I kept it under my hat. The choice to put it in the thread was part of me seeing both marmot and sloonei as bad in the early day. I feel like scum would be more blase pointing out that MP could be a power role than scum would be.

Since it is kind of now open discussion, though, I agree that MP or sig, if they are in possession of the correct set up, should say what it is.

I refuse to comment on this.

#2490

Matt wrote:Golden why'd you move your vote?

Explained when I changed my vote.

#2491

My knucklesssss are bleeding

Dizzzy I wanna cash in on my kiss now, make me feel better.

#2492

I missed kissing?

#2493

MovingPictures07 wrote:I missed kissing?

You've got a wife no kissing for you. (Besides I don't want a smelly ole sock to kiss me better) :P

Will give some real thoughts in a minute.

#2494

sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I missed kissing?

You've got a wife no kissing for you. (Besides I don't want a smelly ole sock to kiss me better) :P

Shhhhhhhh.

How dare you? I use fabric softener.

#2495

Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:Do the moment, I guess I'll start getting some info from mynp nulls reads. Since Gikden is here, may as wel, start with him!

VOTE GOLDEN

Heyo Golden! I fully intend to change my vote to someone else, but right now I have you in my larger-than-it-should-be list of null reads, so since you're here right I'd like to have some sort of interaction. Anything you can tell me about your reads and specifically some thoughts on myself, Soneji (who is currently my only Mafia read) and MP (who seems to be a bit shady)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MP - last time I remember playing with him where he was scum, I nailed on him on day one. Then, I died shortly afterwards and didn't get to lynch him until I got a rezz several days later, by chance, and by that point he'd done a major AtE gambit and I'd begun to doubt my read. But really, I think I am decent at reading MP. He does change things up a bit, but I think I'm much more likely to scum read his town game than town read his scum game. But he has mostly been town recently, hasn't had many scum games.

MP's cycle of frustration and apology, and in fact almost everything about MP, reeks of his town game to me. If he is scum, he has me deeply fooled and I'll congratulate him for playing a very strong scum game. The reasons I've seen for suspecting him have all been things standard to MP's town meta. He is a unique player and I like to wittingly call him 'the suicidal moron' because, when town, he is very good at doing something to make himself look incredibly scummy and end up being lynched for it. Of the people whose meta I know decently well, MP is the only one who I feel very firmly about in terms of their likelihood to be town.

I can attest to the accuracy of this content.

#2496

sig wrote:My knucklesssss are bleeding

Dizzzy I wanna cash in on my kiss now, make me feel better.

#2497

Marco, did you still want opinions on this Golden stuff you posted? http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p266292

If so, I'll take a look at it and I can clarify on some specific points, but it'll probably be lower priority until I at least catch up fully.

#2498

@MP, I'm not planning on voting golden this phase, but I do want your thoughts on that golden post. You can do so next phase as per your convenience.

Also, how long before phase ends. At this point, I'm back to my lynch candidates of yesterday, IAWY and MM.

#2499

Marco wrote:@MP, I'm not planning on voting golden this phase, but I do want your thoughts on that golden post. You can do so next phase as per your convenience.

Also, how long before phase ends. At this point, I'm back to my lynch candidates of yesterday, IAWY and MM.

Sounds good to me.

#2500

Marco wrote:@MP, I'm not planning on voting golden this phase, but I do want your thoughts on that golden post. You can do so next phase as per your convenience.

Also, how long before phase ends. At this point, I'm back to my lynch candidates of yesterday, IAWY and MM.

Feelings on Wilgy generally?