[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

#951

Lol oh brother, I just gave Quin a +1 too.

Still let's get Scotty first.

#952

Probably, but let's hold off on seeing anyone as confirmed civ. Have to say there's a good chance as that's the only thing that happened. It's like Erin's power.

#953

Holly – Holly is just as weird as Michael, but more balanced. If she is killed, two days will follow. If she is lynched, two nights will follow.

#954

Wat.

The Mafia must have an early day ender. RIP Quin and leetic and Elo! I hope one of the latter was bad.

Dom, does this mean that Merideth has all of our votes to force tomorrow?

#955

Wait, Holly as in Michael's Holly?

I would say she was civ then, right? Deeerp. Nevermind, especially after what happened in Battlestar re: Boomer haha.

#956

That shit was deliberate. The mafia knew who Quin was.

#957

Oh wait, Holly is civ. Quin is not bad! But still Quin is dead.

#958

spooky quin ghost aint no liar

#959

Matt wrote:Lol oh brother, I just gave Quin a +1 too.

Still let's get Scotty first.

I swear to god

#960

Serge wrote:Though Holly was one of the sweetest person in The Office, I have to say

Her personality is like a 3. Her sense of humor is a 2. Her ears are like a 7 and a 4. Add it all up and what do you get? 16. And he treats her like she's a perfect 40. It's nuts.

RIP Quin

RIPIYWG Elo and leetic
Welcome new players! Bye nonplaying ones

#961

Someone here is responsible for sending in the lynch hammer. I'm not going to outright assume it was SVS, but it was definitely someone who was around in the last 30 minutes. They just narrowed down their own identity considerably.

#962

Hello all - I've been skimming the game so just want to do a full re-read tomorrow to make some notes. I'll try to read from this point forward while I'm back reading so I can get and stay caught up better. I'll ask what JJJ did when he subbed in: What are three things I need to know? The more people that answer the better because I can get a good feel where to concentrate my reads.

linki - whoa

sorry to see you go unless you were bad Elo, leetic and Quinn

#963

Turnip Head wrote:Someone here is responsible for sending in the lynch hammer. I'm not going to outright assume it was SVS, but it was definitely someone who was around in the last 30 minutes. They just narrowed down their own identity considerably.

Not me.

#964

Matt wrote:Wait, Holly as in Michael's Holly?

Did you think it was some other Holly from some other show?

#965

Epignosis wrote:Holly – Holly is just as weird as Michael, but more balanced. If she is killed, two days will follow. If she is lynched, two nights will follow.

Welcome to the neverending night, pull up a chair.

I can't wait to hear what SVS has to say.

#966

WHOA WHOA WTF.

What I gather from this:

One of Eloh/Leetic was the Maf kill; my bet is on Eloh because Leetic wouldve been an easy mislynch. Leetic was likely the work of Andy the vigilante, who now cannot take over Michaels power as manager.

SVS voted Quin and insta-locked it. SVS had to have had info that Quin was Holly as well as access to a lynch ender through another corporate role, hence it locking.

Idk am I tunnel-visioning this by assuming SVS is confirmed mafia now? I can't think of any other explanation for how shit just went down.

#967

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Holly – Holly is just as weird as Michael, but more balanced. If she is killed, two days will follow. If she is lynched, two nights will follow.
Welcome to the neverending night, pull up a chair.

We better get paid overtime for this.

#968

Quin wrote:Anyway, I'm switching my vote to Wilgy, for self preservation purposes.

You don't want to lynch me, because alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.

#supatown
#plznokill
#trumpcard
#savemepam and Erin
#iwarnedyou
#skinnedsalmon
#toomanyhashtags

I have to go to a birthday thing now. I apologise in advance if you lynch me.

Quin made it obvious. S~V~S looks bad.

#969

That's all I have to say at the moment. I'm not home.

#970

And welcome to the never ending night Juliets and TH!

DrumBeats wrote:WHOA WHOA WTF.

What I gather from this:

One of Eloh/Leetic was the Maf kill; my bet is on Eloh because Leetic wouldve been an easy mislynch. Leetic was likely the work of Andy the vigilante, who now cannot take over Michaels power as manager.

SVS voted Quin and insta-locked it. SVS had to have had info that Quin was Holly as well as access to a lynch ender through another corporate role, hence it locking.

Idk am I tunnel-visioning this by assuming SVS is confirmed mafia now? I can't think of any other explanation for how shit just went down.

I don't think we should rule out that SVS might have been a patsy, and was just made to vote? The thing going against her is that she did it super fast, and made sure she was the first to vote Quin.

But here's what we've now got to cope with:
-Andy, probably using his power, can not use it again. So hopefully he was right in shooting Mafia.
-I don't think Mafia are two teams, like some of you suggested.
-we have 2 nights now in a row.

#971

SVS's role could might as well be a townie role. Erin's role to stop a lynch is almost the opposite of this role.

SVS, do you deny the allegations?

#972

^ Good observation 3J. SVS is bad 100%. I'm going to look back through his posts for possible partners while we deal with this long ass night pair.

Also, we have to treat these night phases like day phases and keep discussion rolling. If there is another vigilante shot out there, use it on SVS tonight to try to negate the numbers advantage this double night is giving them.

@ linki - in what situation do you see town SVS voting instantly and the day phase subsequently ending? If the vote was controlled, it wouldn't need to be that instantaneous.

#973

Yowza! Death-a-palooza over here. RIP both Eloh and leetic.

RIP also Quin!

Mafia either knew exactly what they were doing (my guess, would they have started off with a role list, even though the rest of us did not?) or got extremely lucky. I will be all ears as to wtf SVS has to say about that. Does not look good at all.

Also welcome juliets and TH! Good to play with you both again!

I'm hoping that day poll won't count for Meredith... otherwise if she controls all our votes next day, mafia will have a HUGE advantage regarding the next lynch. They would basically control it, if that's how it works. So I'm hoping that is not how it will work.

Linki~ #PostingThenReading (Yes, I'll keep the hashtags alive for Quin.

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#974

indiglo wrote:Yowza! Death-a-palooza over here. RIP both Eloh and leetic.

RIP also Quin! Mafia either knew exactly what they were doing (my guess, would they have started off with a role list, even though the rest of us did not?) or got extremely lucky. I will be all ears as to wtf SVS has to say about that. Does not look good at all.

Also welcome juliets and TH! Good to play with you both again!

I'm hoping that day poll won't count for Meredith... otherwise if she controls all our votes next day, mafia will have a HUGE advantage regarding the next lynch. They would basically control it, if that's how it works. So I'm hoping that is not how it will work.

Linki~ #PostingThenReading (Yes, I'll keep the hashtags alive for Quin. )

Meredith's power is null in this situation.

#975

spooky quin ghost checking in to mention that this is the first time he thinks he's actually been the top poster at any point

#976

DrumBeats wrote:^ Good observation 3J. SVS is bad 100%. I'm going to look back through his posts for possible partners while we deal with this long ass night pair.

Also, we have to treat these night phases like day phases and keep discussion rolling. If there is another vigilante shot out there, use it on SVS tonight to try to negate the numbers advantage this double night is giving them.

@ linki - in what situation do you see town SVS voting instantly and the day phase subsequently ending? If the vote was controlled, it wouldn't need to be that instantaneous.

That's where my head is at too. Occam's Razor and all that.

Also...

#Linki - thanks for confirming that, Dom. That is exactly how I imagined this situation would be handled.

#977

Quin wrote:spooky quin ghost checking in to mention that this is the first time he thinks he's actually been the top poster at any point

Rico and GMan both have more posts than 8 players currently alive in this game

#978

Does anyone else want to give SVS the benefit of the doubt here? I mean, you don't think she'd be a little more subtle about outright killing a civilian?

#979

Like, can no one else think that maybe SVS put in her vote, and there was a baddie around who ended the day early just to set up SVS in case Quin came back good?

Has that crossed no one's mind? Deerp.

#980

Matt wrote:Does anyone else want to give SVS the benefit of the doubt here? I mean, you don't think she'd be a little more subtle about outright killing a civilian?

I'd like to keep the discussion going on more than her, because I'm not sold she is responsible.

But I am looking at JJJ and Drumbeats for immediately jumping on her as 100% bad.

#981

Lol. I see the irony btw of me sticking up for SVS against very new and recent accusations that I should give her time to answer herself.

-1 to Matt

#982

Matt wrote:Lol. I see the irony btw of me sticking up for SVS against very new and recent accusations that I should give her time to answer herself.

-1 to Matt

Matt so I guess since you are touting SVS' innocence, you've indirectly answered my question that you don't suspect SVS.

So why do you suspect me [and FS]?

#983

SVS is not generally an early voter. Ever. So that in itself is mega ping worthy to me. I'm open to listening, but I'm definitely leaning bad on her. And yes, I could totally see her doing that. But I really prefer to hear her excuse / reason for what happened. Defending her at this point seems odd to me, but also not shocking, because... Matt.

#984

I have a defense for S~V~S.

#985

Scumbuddies coming to SVS's defense, huh? ;D

But for real. What situation can you see SVS voting immediately for Quin and then the phase ending if SVS is town? If you argue vote control, then explain why SVS voted so instantaneously and then bailed? Makes no sense other than the fact that it was a scum gambit to get two night phases and then try to get off clean with this bullshit.

Yo Pam, I've got a job for you should you choose to accept it. SVS's vote on Quin was forced by another player.

#986

Quin wrote:Voting SVS. I do not recommend that she be lynched, unless of course further information comes to light that would support it. Either way, don't take my vote to mean I even suspect SVS, as I do not.

S~V~S wrote:Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.

Forced votes. S~V~S isn't guilty unless she faked being forced.

#987

DrumBeats wrote:Scumbuddies coming to SVS's defense, huh? ;D

But for real. What situation can you see SVS voting immediately for Quin and then the phase ending if SVS is town? If you argue vote control, then explain why SVS voted so instantaneously and then bailed? Makes no sense other than the fact that it was a scum gambit to get two night phases and then try to get off clean with this bullshit.

Yo Pam, I've got a job for you should you choose to accept it. SVS's vote on Quin was forced by another player.

But for real.

#988

Rip deadies

I agree with this: I'll wait to see what svs has to say but she might just be taking one for the team.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Voting SVS. I do not recommend that she be lynched, unless of course further information comes to light that would support it. Either way, don't take my vote to mean I even suspect SVS, as I do not.

S~V~S wrote:Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.
Forced votes. S~V~S isn't guilty unless she faked being forced.

indiglo wrote:SVS is not generally an early voter. Ever. So that in itself is mega ping worthy to me. I'm open to listening, but I'm definitely leaning bad on her. And yes, I could totally see her doing that. But I really prefer to hear her excuse / reason for what happened. Defending her at this point seems odd to me, but also not shocking, because... Matt.

I will go find the quote from another game (I think it was spirited away) where svs says she waits until the eod to vote if she has been forced.

I'm about as caught up as I'll be I think, I did just start skimming after a while as my eyes began to glaze over. I'll work on getting my suspicions straightened out asap

#989

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Voting SVS. I do not recommend that she be lynched, unless of course further information comes to light that would support it. Either way, don't take my vote to mean I even suspect SVS, as I do not.

S~V~S wrote:Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.
Forced votes. S~V~S isn't guilty unless she faked being forced.

Under that assumption though, Meredith's forced votes should've also taken play. Otherwise combining multiple sets of forced votes with a mafia lynch-ending role can lead to a pissing contest of whose forced votes vote first.

I don't believe that if SVS was forced to vote Quin, she would do it instantly like that, and if there are multiple vote forcing roles, then I don't see why Meredith's role wouldn't have forced three other votes into play as well. My theory is that the lynch-ending role discounted forced votes at all, otherwise Meredith's target would've bit the dust, not Quin (unless Quin was also Meredith's target)

#990

Sorsha wrote:Rip deadies

I agree with this: I'll wait to see what svs has to say but she might just be taking one for the team.
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Voting SVS. I do not recommend that she be lynched, unless of course further information comes to light that would support it. Either way, don't take my vote to mean I even suspect SVS, as I do not.

S~V~S wrote:Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.
Forced votes. S~V~S isn't guilty unless she faked being forced.

indiglo wrote:SVS is not generally an early voter. Ever. So that in itself is mega ping worthy to me. I'm open to listening, but I'm definitely leaning bad on her. And yes, I could totally see her doing that. But I really prefer to hear her excuse / reason for what happened. Defending her at this point seems odd to me, but also not shocking, because... Matt.
I will go find the quote from another game (I think it was spirited away) where svs says she waits until the eod to vote if she has been forced.

I'm about as caught up as I'll be I think, I did just start skimming after a while as my eyes began to glaze over. I'll work on getting my suspicions straightened out asap

Please find that quote

#991

S~V~S wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin
There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.

And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.

#992

Reading that post in context, I'm gathering that G-Man waited until the last possible minute to change his vote to where it was allegedly forced, and SVS saying that is how she would vote too if she were forced. Ie, wait until the last possible minute, so as not to begin a band wagon on someone who you don't know or don't think is bad.

Again, this jibes with what I know of SVS. We came up in a culture of non-changeable votes. Therefore we have ALWAYS been the type who hold our votes to as close to the end as we can. That early vote from her pings me the most. That's what makes me think she's quite possibly bad. It is just so opposite of her normal voting behavior. Whether she's forced to vote a certain way, or not, she's not an early voter unless she absolutely has to be (like, won't be here at EoD, etc).

#993

Logging off for now, and not sure when I'll check in again due to traveling, etc. Good morrow to you peeps, may we all survive the Long Night. Remember, Winter's coming.

#994

PS - voted Thanksgiving, because I am thankful for food.

#995

S~V~S could have been forced. It'd require a baddie role to exist which parallels Meredith's or comes close. That's a guess, but it's plausible enough to consider. S~V~S seemed to imply that Quin understood her vote on some level, and he didn't react adversely to it. That's something she can talk about.

#996

Quin voted for S~V~S immediately upon the beginning of Day 2, admitting to having no suspicion of her. Very similar to this. There's probably a relationship.

#997

I am going to go out on a limb and say that I think leetic might have been mafia, and Andy took a shot at him. I think he avoided a lynch that should have been his, but instead was pushed for bwt. So this analysis is from the perspective that leetic was mafia

Both bwt and leetic (most likely) had 2 force votes each via Merideth: LoRab and Serge on bwt; splints and bea on leetic. So that leaves 5 votes on each of them.

I voted leetic, bringing it to 2 votes. splints had already voted leetic, lorab had already voted bwt. No other reasons were imposed yet for bwt.

Then this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DFaraday wrote:3 of the 4 Quin voters now feel good about him (DB even listed Quin as civ) with basically no reasoning for this shift beyond, "His posts made me feel better about him." BWT's especially strikes me as an easy way to springboard off of what the others said without offering any new thoughts on Quin. I'll be looking at these three for the remainder of the phase to see if anything else stands out to me.
This I agree with. Both in his original suspicion of Quin and now his relaxed stance on Quin, BWT seemed to be following the herd too contently to be genuine.

JJJ imposes this general suspicion from DFaraday for bwt being too blendy.

Spoiler: show

DB lays out these suspicions:
he's "fine with a leetic lynch" but prefers someone who can give info like INH, LoRab or MaScotty (heh).
he votes for LoRab, for "lying low" and being uncooperative. Because apparently that will give more info than leetic (who, also, has been lying low and uncooperative. But I digress). He's still up to push a MaScotty vote, but he still "sees the appeal" of the leetic vote, but chooses to keep his vote between LoRab and MaScotty because "that train will have enough votes" without him.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:@ DFaraday - My main suspicion on Quin was the discrepancy between saying baddie hunting was his top priority and him focussing very little on it day one. Over the night, and early day one Quin contributed much more to the thread than I have seen from a lot of players, including you, so that is enough to shift him to a civ read for now.

@ Epi - Post count isn't indicative imo, but the amount of fluff posts I've seen from you doesn't seem like the same Epi I saw in BSG. Not one of my highest scumreads right now, but still noteworthy.

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I'm going to switch my vote to LoRab for now. Lying low with only one suspicion based on mechanics isn't a good look, and being uncooperative in looking at anything else makes it worse.

Matt and Scotty are still on my radar if anybody else wants to help me push a vote there.

Leetic is a vote that I still find to be a roll of the dice, but it is low-risk/medium-reward so I can see the appeal. I think that train will have enough votes without me, so I'm going to keep my vote between the LoRab or the duo.

I'm going to be off for the rest of the phase sometime within the next 45 minutes so if anybody wants to talk to me before phase end, lets do it now.
How would you feel about a BWT lynch?
I honestly don't see much of a case on him right now, other than his vote on Quin. If you can make a convincing enough case in about 30 minutes I would be down for it, but right now its just meh to me.

How would you feel about a Matt lynch?
Pretty much exactly the way you feel about a BWT lynch. I don't really see the case. My least favorite thing is that he has given me nothing on Day 2 after I demanded a return on my investment.

I'll try to lay out a quick BWT case.

DrumBeats wrote:Pretty convincing case, and while I'd still really like to push one of the three I mentioned, since I'm not going to be around at EoD, I doubt any of mine will pick up steam, so I'll switch my vote over.

DrumBeats wrote:Also just noticed that LoRab stealth voted BWT earlier in the day, despite exclusively pushing Quin. I searched the ISO and never found any mention of it. Could be distancing or forced by Meredith, but I figured it was noteworthy enough to point out.

JJJ suggests BWT out of nowhere, and DB "doesn't see much of a case on him" but is offers a challenge to make a convincing case in 30 minutes or less and he'll win a new toaster oven or something.
JJJ compiles some quotes and DB is suddenly convinced, even though he'd "still like to push [LoRab, Matt or me]" but doesn't think they'll happen, so he votes for bwt. At this point he is bwt's 2nd vote against leetic's 3 after bea voted.
He even acknowledges that one of the players he highly suspects and voted for 30 minutes prior already voted for Bwt, and just brushes it aside.

Spoiler: show

He says he "wasn't a fan of the leetic votes" even though at that point, it was me and the 2 [forced] votes on leetic. If he wasn't a fan, was it because I had voted there? That can't be a reason, because he voted where LoRab voted.

I think DB had been distancing from leetic by agreeing with his lynch while not pushing for it.

#998

WTF?

First off, DOM!!!, can I request that the thread title be changed with each day/night to make it easier to follow what happened when? with everything sayingDay 1 it's hard to figure anything out in that regard, thanks!!!

I'll digest more of this later, but for now, I again say... WTF?

#999

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin voted for S~V~S immediately upon the beginning of Day 2, admitting to having no suspicion of her. Very similar to this. There's probably a relationship.

I'll elaborate.

Quin's second post of Day 2, minutes after the rabbit8 kill was revealed:

Quin wrote:Voting SVS. I do not recommend that she be lynched, unless of course further information comes to light that would support it. Either way, don't take my vote to mean I even suspect SVS, as I do not.

Quin's vote is not relevant to his suspicions, and he openly states that he doesn't want her lynched. He was a civilian, so we can confidently state that whatever happened here, Quin was being genuine. His vote never left S~V~S that day phase.

S~V~S's first post of Day 3, and the first post of that day overall:

S~V~S wrote:Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.

S~V~S's vote isn't as overtly not-about-suspicion as Quin's was, but it's just as immediate. She seems to imply that Quin would have some understanding of why she voted for him, and his immediate response might corroborate that:

Quin wrote:Oh well, I'm alive so no harm done

I was going to say that I'm instantly suspicious of Elohcin and Epignosis for not voting corporate. They voted against receiving potential information on baddie roles which we need.

It's possible that elohcin was killed by a civ (possibly Andy?) who might share my opinion, and that she could have been bad. It depends on whether we'd see a baddie flip as a result of the night kill.

linki: That is so innapropriate. (that's an angela reference. )

I believe the linki refers to S~V~S's vote. Quin showed no signs of being perturbed by her vote. He just make a joke.

~~~

My point here is that I think these two votes have something to do with one another. I don't really know what that'd be, but we know for sure that Quin's vote was an honest one -- and he did not suspect S~V~S or want her lynched. Given that half of this interaction is confirmed to be genuine, I think there's at least a decent reason to feel better about the other half (S~V~S).

I don't know what kind of roles or mechanic might trigger given these votes, but I'd be surprised if they're not somehow related. We know for certain that neither of them could have been forced by Meredith, because neither of them missed the vote the day prior to the votes in question.

#1000

LOL, that's one way to sub out (2nd time I tried to sub out onl, btw). I would just like to apologize for the inactivity, as I was getting ready to run a game of my own (should be up by tomorrow). That, and I am unused to games of this size). I'll still try to spectate, though, and I wish you all good luck!

Who's getting a pink slip?