Romance of the Three Kingdoms [ENDGAME]

[Sorsha]

I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?

What if they are bad? I think the winners of the prefect spots would be more likely to have some btsc partners than those who didn't win.

[Scotty]

Yuck??
JJJ have you never played a game with me? Why do I have to find something fishy about people that are posting? They're posting. That in and of itself lends to a more substantive game. Even if they're talkin of drivel. Talk to me again after this phase about other suspects.

If I HAD to pick someone, you come to mind as someone I could see myself suspecting down the road. But I would rather keep you around to gauge you better in case you are actually civ.

I have played games with you. Indeed I just played one about phobias in which you pushed the easy button eternally and you were bad. So when you do it here you can expect to hear about it.

What do you mean "you could see yourself suspecting me down the road"? Am I suspicious now to some degree?

I play the "easy button" on day 1 regardless of my alignment. This is a terrible way to gauge my badness.
This stemmed from perpetually getting lynched on day 1 or getting NK'd night 1. It's in one part survival strategy in these awful 'must-lynch-someone' day 1's. The other part is- sometimes inactives can be bad, or laying low. Sometimes they can be good. Which sucks, but in the scheme of things, it could be worse, like eliminating someone that is actively contributing to the thread.

As for suspecting you- I don't really right now. I think you have been pacing yourself this phase, and are rather cautious in your reads. But you haven't voted so who knows what you're really thinking. So down the line, I'll have a better idea of your thinking and motivations. Right now, you're just a pair of clown shoes waiting to be put on.

[Turnip Head]

I think I'm going to start voting for Scotty every time he votes for inactive players on Day 1.

[Sorsha]

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.

What is the advantage of doing this?

What's the disadvantage? Scared?

Annoyed.

The disadvantage is that you'd be threatening the people who were just named prefects without actually suspecting any of them (or at least you haven't claimed to). That is counterproductive. It's a pointless usage of your voting power. I think you're aware of that. Why aren't you trying harder?

I said from the get go I'm not reading much of this thread and that's especially true this early in the game. I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

[Scotty]

Dom is making me laugh so I'm not voting for him.

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.

Wtf does toughest mean? I have a thick skin, though I work out at the gym to thin it out.

Most macho?

Well, I can lift my dog's weight.

I'm kind of a big deal.

[Scotty]

I think I'm going to start voting for Scotty every time he votes for inactive players on Day 1.

Can't do nothin bout that. U do U

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

I think too many people adopt this mindset on Day 1, thereby ensuring Day 1's lynch is close to random if not entirely random, thereby ensuring the likelihood of a productive lynch is minimized, thereby perpetuating the impression that Day 1 is a pointless crapshoot, thereby churning the wheels of the self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby causing JJJ's head to explode, thereby rendering him dead.

[Turnip Head]

I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

I think too many people adopt this mindset on Day 1, thereby ensuring Day 1's lynch is close to random if not entirely random, thereby ensuring the likelihood of a productive lynch is minimized, thereby perpetuating the impression that Day 1 is a pointless crapshoot, thereby churning the wheels of the self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby causing JJJ's head to explode, thereby rendering him dead.

RIP

Who do you want to vote for?

[Scotty]

I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?

I appreciate the defending, DF. I'm sorry I voted you.

[Scotty]

Speaking of prefects, remember that other prefect who ran a campaign on ads and banners?

Yeah, he's been absent this entire phase. What's that about? Sounds scandalous to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

I think too many people adopt this mindset on Day 1, thereby ensuring Day 1's lynch is close to random if not entirely random, thereby ensuring the likelihood of a productive lynch is minimized, thereby perpetuating the impression that Day 1 is a pointless crapshoot, thereby churning the wheels of the self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby causing JJJ's head to explode, thereby rendering him dead.

RIP

Who do you want to vote for?

If I had to vote right now, it'd be for Dunny and Russtifinko.

I think the former has been guilty of "why mes", something I associate more with baddies than townies. By that I mean "you suspect me for doing X when this other guy also did X who you don't suspect, WTF mate". Mac put it nicely when he suggested it might be an example of Dunny being correctly suspected for reasons that he considers to be incorrect or unfair.

I've been underwhelmed by Russ's handling of the suspicion he's faced so far from a few sources including myself. I've gotten the impression he's been more interested in shutting down the accusations than exploring the motives of the people rendering them.

[Sorsha]

Dom is making me laugh so I'm not voting for him.

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.

Wtf does toughest mean? I have a thick skin, though I work out at the gym to thin it out.

Most macho?

Well, I can lift my dog's weight.

I'm kind of a big deal.

I'm impressed how big do chihuahuas get? 8 lbs. max?

I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

I think too many people adopt this mindset on Day 1, thereby ensuring Day 1's lynch is close to random if not entirely random, thereby ensuring the likelihood of a productive lynch is minimized, thereby perpetuating the impression that Day 1 is a pointless crapshoot, thereby churning the wheels of the self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby causing JJJ's head to explode, thereby rendering him dead.

You sound scared.


Be back later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You sound scared.

I don't give a rat's ass.

[DFaraday]

I'm one person and at most can give you one vote.

I think too many people adopt this mindset on Day 1, thereby ensuring Day 1's lynch is close to random if not entirely random, thereby ensuring the likelihood of a productive lynch is minimized, thereby perpetuating the impression that Day 1 is a pointless crapshoot, thereby churning the wheels of the self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby causing JJJ's head to explode, thereby rendering him dead.

Like how political voters assume their vote doesn't matter, so third parties can't win, so people don't vote for them, because their vote doesn't matter, etc. etc. etc.
I would post about that in our political thread,

I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?

I appreciate the defending, DF. I'm sorry I voted you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey, let's make a Day 1 case.

Russtifinko

Spoiler: show

Agreed, JJJ.

Hey, I REALLY like the idea of the "whoever does ____ first, gets my votes" posts. They prevent people from finding excuses to give votes to baddie teammates. So I'm gonna do one too, and would suggest others do the same (even though it's an itsy bit late for a few).

The first two people to post pictures or emojis of platypi earn my votes.

DDL was the first to bring this post up, and I agree with his assertion that appears a bit forced. I don't think the context of Day 0 demanded that an explanation be generated for people's "if you do X, I'll vote you for prefect" activity. Russ provided an explanation anyway, and it's laborious, and it's actually completely wrong too. He acknowledged that after it was pointed out.

Spoiler: show

Lots to read. Things I saw to respond to on Page 8:

Agreed, JJJ.

Hey, I REALLY like the idea of the "whoever does ____ first, gets my votes" posts. They prevent people from finding excuses to give votes to baddie teammates. So I'm gonna do one too, and would suggest others do the same (even though it's an itsy bit late for a few).

The first two people to post pictures or emojis of platypi earn my votes.

DDL brought this post up and I think his concerns were valid. Russ, it appears here that you are attributing a meaningful strategy to what I would perceive to be typically arbitrary Day 0 behavior. This method removes the responsibility from your votes and increases the likelihood that they will be given to people who are in deliberate pursuit of power for whatever motive. Indeed, the two respondents to your platypi request were INH and I -- both eventual prefects.

I'd like for you to talk about this, please.

You didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted a platypus picture. You say those pursuing power shouldn't get it, but went ahead and pursued away yesterday. Dunno what to tell ya, I had an idea. It was pointed out to me that it could in theory be used to work out even better for the baddies, and after thinking about it, I agree.

He did that thing where when faced with an accusation, he returned another one upon his accuser -- without clearly stating that it's accusatory. I don't think "No U" is inherently a suspicious thing, but when it comes in this form, where the return-fire is indirect and doesn't net a concrete accusation, it's more of an issue. Moreover the shade he threw at me doesn't make sense. The highlighted portion is Russ essentially telling me that I was hypocritical because I didn't distrust myself.

Separately, the response he gave does not address the original accusation. Instead of more thoroughly explaining his mindset, or attempting to discern my own motives for accusing him, he simply said "if you didn't like it, you shouldn't have posted a platypus". This is inadequate because my decision to post a platypus (am I really typing that?) reflects my trust of myself, not on my perspective of Russtifinko. Instead of addressing the point in some way or another, he turned the conversation against me.

Spoiler: show

You even think this is true when the strategy that you propose each side would promote is demonstrably, mathematically better for their opponents? Please. This is ridiculous. I'm an economist, and incentives just do not work that way.

This is too dismissive for my liking. When confronted with my assertion that baddies would be more likely to propose the more obvious dueling strategy (suspect vs. suspect) to look like the logical parties while townies discuss wilder ideas, Russ doubled down with this strong language.

[timmer]

Haven't been around, no time to read. Someone Yelm me who to vote for.

[Marmot]

Yelm me yelm you timmer.

[Marmot]

Here's some post linksBass_the_Clever - Posts
birdwithteeth11 - Posts
Boomslang - Posts
Bubbles - Posts
Bullzeye - Posts
DFaraday - Posts
DisgruntledPorcupine - Posts
Dom - Posts
Dragon D. Luffy - Posts
DrWilgy - Posts
Dunny - Posts
Elohcin - Posts
Glorfindel - Posts
Golden - Posts
insertnamehere - Posts
JaggedJimmyJay - Posts
Jan - Posts
leetic - Posts
LoRab - Posts
MacDougall - Posts
Metalmarsh89 - Posts
MovingPictures07 - Posts
Nerolunar - Posts
nijuukyugou - Posts
nutella - Posts
Quin - Posts
rabbit8 - Posts
Russtifinko - Posts
Scotty - Posts
sig - Posts
Simon - Posts
Soneji - Posts
Sorsha - Posts
Spacedaisy - Posts
S~V~S - Posts
TheCapsFan - Posts
timmer - Posts
Turnip Head - Posts

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not voting for MM on Day 1.

[Tangrowth]

Hey guys. I just wanted to pop in and again apologize for my overly-emotional behavior (it's been a ridiculously stressful week and yesterday morning was doubly so, but that's no excuse), and I've since cooled down and thought this over. I was initially leaning towards staying out of this game because it's clear especially since I started my PhD that mafia games often overburden me when I'm busy and stressed (hence my reputation for emotional implosions), but I've decided to stick this out, or at least to try to once more before deciding to quit later if I feel I really cannot. I know Epi worked hard to fill this game and that replacements would be better served on the inevitable quiet few who never show up or someone who legitimately needs a replacement. But I'm going to return only under the circumstances in which I was originally intending -- only when I feel I have adequate time and I'm going to force myself away if I'm feeling stressed out.

With that said, I'll catch up later, since I still have a lot to do today. Not even sure when I'll be back.

I only have one point I want to make and that's in response to Macdougall (so if you're not Mac, don't feel free to read this unless you want to read an elaboration for why I post so often about my RL and schedule, so I'll make it green): I apologize again, Mac, for taking your comments and not counting to five and walking away before posting in response. But I wanted to say that I wasn't providing any detail of my busy schedule for slank cover, or because I think that it is alignment indicative or that I'm trying to use it in defense of myself. I'm not. I never would. I like to provide it (and am infamous for doing so, I'll admit) because I tend to be a very active player and I want people to know in advance that I may not get to them right away, I probably won't be doing in-depth analyses due to lack of time, etc., and I don't want people to think I'm hiding or anything because of lack of interest or my alignment. I specifically wanted to emphasize it this game because, despite consistently specifying it over many games especially since I've started my PhD, I've been working 10-15 hours on average every day, with the occasional all-nighter, and getting little sleep, and as I approach mid-September my workload becomes even more increasingly busier due to a flurry of badly timed major deadlines. And my wife and I are moving apartments right now. It's honestly the busiest I've ever been in my life.

So anyway, my point is that I think it's clear with anyone who's played with me over the years that, if I have time, regardless of alignment, I post. And I post a lot. And I also notoriously talk about how busy I am pretty much in every game I'm in. So if you or anyone else wants to judge me based on that, OK, but I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to defend myself with those statements; rather, merely to provide context to how often I'll be in the thread, and to warn people that I'll be inevitably taking a moderate and watered down approach this game. I brought it up specifically in the context of our conversation because I didn't think I had told you that and I didn't want you to think that I'm ignoring you or anything if I don't post for a while. If you want to judge it as alignment indicative, then I guess I can't stop you from doing so, but it's annoying and inaccurate to say the least for such statements to be judged as alignment indicative, even though I realize that technically anyone says in the course of this game at any time is fair game for analysis and suspicion.

Now, I haven't read anything since my post before this one. I probably won't for at least 24 hours, maybe even way more. Thank god the thread locks at Night. I don't really feel like I could make any semblance of an informed vote at this stage so I'm just going to abstain rather than randomize (since I really detest that), and will properly contribute whenever I feel I can, which may not be for a while. I need to actually know I can play this game in moderation. Hopefully I can stick to it because I cannot afford to spend much time here.

[Dunny]

Hola!
So I just noticed this cheeky little number from JJJ so thought id be nice and reply:

Ive read over everything since ive been to sleep and i understand the votes against me, i can see how ive come across suspicious.
Honestly i dont know where I am going to vote as i have no suspicions on anyone right now.

I guess i will just wait a few more hours and see if anything else happens

I have some questions for you:

1. What have you done that has drawn suspicion upon you?

2. Why do you feel this is understandable?

3. How do you feel about the players who have cast suspicion upon you?

Firstly I assumed you had already voted for myself hence why I began with i understand the votes against me when in actual fact it was jusy the one. I apologise for my pre emptivness there

1 and 2) Personally after reading through my posts ive seen how defensive they have appeared to yourself, DDL, Mac and whom ever else may suspect me. Though this was not my intention, because I havent played with possibly the majoriry of the people here before I was more trying to understand you better which clearly i failed to perceive, hence why i also find it understandable.

3) Mac, i just figure to be an aggressive player and thats all ive really caught on with him myself.
DDL, I dont really feel much about this guy minus the fact that from what i can remember reading the vote was kind of out of the blue, i dont really remember him bringing me up before. Although correct me if im wrong.
With yourself I feel like you are genuine for now and are trying to be proactive for the town but hey i could be wrong ive never been good at reading people.

If there has been anyone else who suspected me then please enlighten me as my memory isnt what it used to be.
Im still kind of at a loss for who I wish to vote for, unless someone can correct me in my comment about DDL i will most likely put 1 vote there and 1 on Russ for JJJ compelling Day 1 case.

[Marmot]

I'm not voting for MM on Day 1.

I'm not voting for TheCapsFan today.

[Marmot]

Here's a list of people who haven't posted yet:

Bubbles
LoRab
rabbit8
Soneji



Eventually, I want to have a showdown with DrWilgy though.

[Nerolunar]

Honestly I just avoid analysing anything Scotty says or does until the end of day 1. Because he is always random and illogical during that time, regrdless of alignment. His posts are just for laughing.

And something he would want to exploit.

I voted him for prefect though, so...

I'm going to hold an online seminar on Mafia Day 1 philosophy.

Please do :P

Aaaand I'm not sure who to vote for. Maybe I will be in a few hours, otherwise I will probably follow up on a reasonable bandwagon.

[Marmot]

Hey guys. I just wanted to pop in and again apologize for my overly-emotional behavior (it's been a ridiculously stressful week and yesterday morning was doubly so, but that's no excuse), and I've since cooled down and thought this over. I was initially leaning towards staying out of this game because it's clear especially since I started my PhD that mafia games often overburden me when I'm busy and stressed (hence my reputation for emotional implosions), but I've decided to stick this out, or at least to try to once more before deciding to quit later if I feel I really cannot. I know Epi worked hard to fill this game and that replacements would be better served on the inevitable quiet few who never show up or someone who legitimately needs a replacement. But I'm going to return only under the circumstances in which I was originally intending -- only when I feel I have adequate time and I'm going to force myself away if I'm feeling stressed out.

With that said, I'll catch up later, since I still have a lot to do today. Not even sure when I'll be back.

I only have one point I want to make and that's in response to Macdougall (so if you're not Mac, don't feel free to read this unless you want to read an elaboration for why I post so often about my RL and schedule, so I'll make it green): I apologize again, Mac, for taking your comments and not counting to five and walking away before posting in response. But I wanted to say that I wasn't providing any detail of my busy schedule for slank cover, or because I think that it is alignment indicative or that I'm trying to use it in defense of myself. I'm not. I never would. I like to provide it (and am infamous for doing so, I'll admit) because I tend to be a very active player and I want people to know in advance that I may not get to them right away, I probably won't be doing in-depth analyses due to lack of time, etc., and I don't want people to think I'm hiding or anything because of lack of interest or my alignment. I specifically wanted to emphasize it this game because, despite consistently specifying it over many games especially since I've started my PhD, I've been working 10-15 hours on average every day, with the occasional all-nighter, and getting little sleep, and as I approach mid-September my workload becomes even more increasingly busier due to a flurry of badly timed major deadlines. And my wife and I are moving apartments right now. It's honestly the busiest I've ever been in my life.

So anyway, my point is that I think it's clear with anyone who's played with me over the years that, if I have time, regardless of alignment, I post. And I post a lot. And I also notoriously talk about how busy I am pretty much in every game I'm in. So if you or anyone else wants to judge me based on that, OK, but I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to defend myself with those statements; rather, merely to provide context to how often I'll be in the thread, and to warn people that I'll be inevitably taking a moderate and watered down approach this game. I brought it up specifically in the context of our conversation because I didn't think I had told you that and I didn't want you to think that I'm ignoring you or anything if I don't post for a while. If you want to judge it as alignment indicative, then I guess I can't stop you from doing so, but it's annoying and inaccurate to say the least for such statements to be judged as alignment indicative, even though I realize that technically anyone says in the course of this game at any time is fair game for analysis and suspicion.

Now, I haven't read anything since my post before this one. I probably won't for at least 24 hours, maybe even way more. Thank god the thread locks at Night. I don't really feel like I could make any semblance of an informed vote at this stage so I'm just going to abstain rather than randomize (since I really detest that), and will properly contribute whenever I feel I can, which may not be for a while. I need to actually know I can play this game in moderation. Hopefully I can stick to it because I cannot afford to spend much time here.

Thanks for sticking with it MP, you can ignore my first rainbow list if you like.

[Marmot]

Aaaand I'm not sure who to vote for. Maybe I will be in a few hours, otherwise I will probably follow up on a reasonable bandwagon.

Define a reasonable bandwagon.

[sig]

hey caught up to page ten but with college junk going on can't read anymore right now. MP was seeming civvie,and I don't think we should vote for a townie and a maybe mafia person that seems like a very bad idea. I disagree with JJJ for thinking mafia are more likely to say lets target two pingy people. I've got a bad ping on JJJ and a bad gut read on the few Dom posts I saw.

I'm also wondering why Simon voted for SVS?

Besides that Matty seems civvie so far and I don't have much else.

I'm going to go ahead and vote for Dom for gut ping and Rabbit since he hasn't posted.

I'll try to log on again later today but no promises.


Also I found Sorsha's reasons for voting a little gut pingy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I disagree with JJJ for thinking mafia are more likely to say lets target two pingy people.

What do you think they'd do instead?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Im still kind of at a loss for who I wish to vote for, unless someone can correct me in my comment about DDL i will most likely put 1 vote there and 1 on Russ for JJJ compelling Day 1 case.

Could you try to tell me in your own words why you're willing to vote for Russ?

[Turnip Head]

3) Mac, i just figure to be an aggressive player and thats all ive really caught on with him myself.

What makes you say that? His accusation toward you wasn't very aggressive. Did someone tell you he's an aggressive player?

[Dunny]

3) Mac, i just figure to be an aggressive player and thats all ive really caught on with him myself.

What makes you say that? His accusation toward you wasn't very aggressive. Did someone tell you he's an aggressive player?

I took my assumption of his aggressive playstyle from the way i read his comments towards MP, it was a general analysis.

Im still kind of at a loss for who I wish to vote for, unless someone can correct me in my comment about DDL i will most likely put 1 vote there and 1 on Russ for JJJ compelling Day 1 case.

Could you try to tell me in your own words why you're willing to vote for Russ?

I felt that he was giving out an option to the mafia players to potentially help them gain a spot for prefect which i over looked at the time as i was trying to catch up reading but like someone pointed out before hand its an easy tool for the mafia to preempt.

Then the response he gave to yourself seemed rather... I dont want to say aggressive but whatever word comes close to it?... The whole 'if you didnt like it you shouldnt have done it' is a bit too sharp when he was giving an option to you, why shouldnt you have taken it when you wanted the position?

Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense

I got you mang.

I may not vote for you today. I can't quite decide whether you're being too earnest, but that I am experiencing cognitive dissonance on that is a better thing than flat suspicion would be. I'd need an alternative though.

[Turnip Head]

Russ reads pretty sincere to me. I thought he made a fair point re: JJJ's reaction to his offer.

[Turnip Head]

Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense

I got you mang.

I may not vote for you today. I can't quite decide whether you're being too earnest, but that I am experiencing cognitive dissonance on that is a better thing than flat suspicion would be. I'd need an alternative though.

You could always vote for Scotty with me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Russ reads pretty sincere to me. I thought he made a fair point re: JJJ's reaction to his offer.

Please describe his point to me as you felt he meant it, because I don't see how it's relevant to what I said or even sensible.

[Turnip Head]

Well, Russ said he liked the idea of random offers for prefect votes. He said he liked the idea because it discouraged (in his mind) baddies from easily giving votes to their teammates. Then you took him up on his offer by posting a platypus picture. Then you said that you didn't think his method was helpful, because it allowed people who wanted power to gain it while holding no accountability himself. I think you missed his point completely when he said "Well YOU got power from my offer" (paraphrased obvs). I think what he's saying there is that you should be looking at his behavior as a good thing, because if you're a civ, then Russ helped the right person.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, Russ said he liked the idea of random offers for prefect votes. He said he liked the idea because it discouraged (in his mind) baddies from easily giving votes to their teammates. Then you took him up on his offer by posting a platypus picture. Then you said that you didn't think his method was helpful, because it allowed people who wanted power to gain it while holding no accountability himself. I think you missed his point completely when he said "Well YOU got power from my offer" (paraphrased obvs). I think what he's saying there is that you should be looking at his behavior as a good thing, because if you're a civ, then Russ helped the right person.

I'll let Russ himself state whether that's what he meant.

I would assert that my capitalizing on the opportunity he presented does not make his idea inherently sound. I capitalized on it because I was there when he said it. If a baddie had been here instead, he/she could have done the same thing. Moreover, it wasn't the idea itself that I found suspicious -- it was that I found his presentation of that idea laborious. If he wanted to relieve himself of the responsibility of investing in his own votes, he didn't really need to tell us all that with any actual rationale. It was Day 0, people vote for random reasons more often than not in that situation.

[Nerolunar]

Aaaand I'm not sure who to vote for. Maybe I will be in a few hours, otherwise I will probably follow up on a reasonable bandwagon.

Define a reasonable bandwagon.

A wagon that is fairly well supported for a day 1 wagon(which is dubious in itself though), and made by someone I'm feeling okay about.

But then again we have to vote for two persons.

[Turnip Head]

I would assert that my capitalizing on the opportunity he presented does not make his idea inherently sound. I capitalized on it because I was there when he said it. If a baddie had been here instead, he/she could have done the same thing. Moreover, it wasn't the idea itself that I found suspicious -- it was that I found his presentation of that idea laborious. If he wanted to relieve himself of the responsibility of investing in his own votes, he didn't really need to tell us all that with any actual rationale. It was Day 0, people vote for random reasons more often than not in that situation.

Russ specifically asked that more people use his same rationale, so it makes sense that he took the time to explain what his rationale was. I don't really know why you have a problem with him explaining his rationale, it sounds like you didn't read the rest of his post.

[Turnip Head]

I mean I could be wrong about Russ but I have no problem understanding his posts from a civ perspective.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Russ specifically asked that more people use his same rationale, so it makes sense that he took the time to explain what his rationale was. I don't really know why you have a problem with him explaining his rationale, it sounds like you didn't read the rest of his post.

Yeah that's kind of what I'm saying. I see this:

"I'm going to place completely random votes for prefect, it's actually a strategy though, you should all do it too."

I'd have thought much less of his post (less as in I literally wouldn't have thought about it) if it was just "I'll vote for whoever shows me a platypus."

I am more bothered by his response to my accusation than the post that inspired the accusation anyway.

Who do you suspect most, TH?

[Scotty]

Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense

I got you mang.

I may not vote for you today. I can't quite decide whether you're being too earnest, but that I am experiencing cognitive dissonance on that is a better thing than flat suspicion would be. I'd need an alternative though.

You could always vote for Scotty with me

Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

[Turnip Head]

I am more bothered by his response to my accusation than the post that inspired the accusation anyway.

I'm having trouble keeping up with which aspect of Russ is bothering you the most :P

Who do you suspect most, TH?

No one really stands out. If I had to pick someone I'm especially curious about, it'd be Boomslang. Not to pull a NO U but his reason for voting me and MM was weak. But more interestingly, there's this:

I agree that volunteers should be more effective late-game. Once all the treasures come into play, civs can become more dangerous in duels; [snip]

idk, sounds like he already knows a thing or two about items

[Turnip Head]

Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We have 2 hours left. It'd be groovy if some other folks could give feedback regarding Russ. I know I sound hardheaded, but I do value other perspectives.

[Dunny]

I have to be up early so it is my bedtime, ive voted where i said i would.
Good night y'all

[nutella]

Actually I'll ask you this, nutella:

You suggested you could name several GTH town reads. Who would those be?

You, DDL, Quin, Jan, probably a couple others but those are the strongest.

I've heard a little about DDL and Quin already. What makes you feel okay about Jan?

Jan stuck out to me because he's posted really openly about how he's used to different sites and is trying to adjust to this one, and has a generally care-free vibe so far. Obviously I don't know anything about his style/history but judging from his few posts here he seems pretty laid-back and enthusiastic/humorous, and I think that a baddie in a new playing environment would be more careful. I might be underestimating him, but that's what I got for now

I kind of have a similar feeling from Dunny, fwiw. He's come back from a long mafia hiatus and is jumping back into the swing of things, and again his posts have that kinda carefree feel, like he's saying what's on his mind and not worrying too much about it (see: that post where he kinda rambled and asked if it made sense). So I'm feeling okay about him for now.

I'm trying to sort out my thoughts on Russ, and maybe TH and Scotty. JJJ made a couple interesting points about Russ, but I don't necessarily see them as reasons for suspicion. Russ's responses for the most part felt fairly genuine and reasonable; the one bit I didn't like was his "I'm an economist and the world just doesn't work that way" assertion -- that felt like too much of a one-sided denial of JJJ's hypothesis.

Out of the most active posters, TH and Scotty are the ones I'm feeling the most iffy about and don't feel like I can trust as much as others. I don't really have anything concrete to point to, it's mostly just a vibe. I'm wary of TH because if he's bad he could be playing a "hide in plain sight" strategy, starting off really active from the get-go and getting comfortable in the thread, and he can be quite a scary baddie. I am tending to agree with him about some things, such as the Russ discussion atm, but that doesn't mean he's trustworthy.
Scotty on the other hand I was feeling okay about on Day 0, but I got a weird feeling from his more recent posts, particularly his vote for DF and subsequent attempt to simultaneously justify it and take it back. Plus I've never really liked the low-poster fallback vote, especially here where he's going for people who haven't even checked in -- I kind of understand wanting to get rid of someone who's posted once or twice but is really not participating, but in this case I think those people might not have even realized the game has started, and if they had they'd be posting. Voting for them is a severe case of taking the easy way out -- and I see he's already defended against that point but I still don't like it.

I do agree with Scotty on at least one thing -- I would really like to hear from INH again.

[Scotty]

Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.

I ain't hidin. I'm pretty straightforward.
I don't understand what you mean by forcing me to get in on my ingenious racket.

[nutella]

Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.

[DrWilgy]

Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.

How could you forget about me LoRab? I was at work and had dnd night, but never left...