RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[Beck]

Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

(There's a right answer and a wrong answer, Jimmy.)

[Quin]

Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

(There's a right answer and a wrong answer, Jimmy.)

I'm looking at all of his four posts pretty intently, but I'm not seeing anything at all. The very most I can come up with is his 'I'll post more strategies later' thing and I'm pretty sure that's a political joke.

[Beck]

I'm looking largely at his OP. (But when you string his four posts together it's effectively the same read.)

It's a classic in-and-out post in which he enters the thread by posting but exits in the same post, made in jest or otherwise it's something wolves do more often than not.

There's more to it even then that but if you want a read off of one post, I've met me d0 quota.

[Beck]

I guess I'll ask this to anyone willing to answer.

Who are the best wolves in this lineup? Who are the best villagers?

Is there anyone who cannot play one alignment well?

[Beck]

gimme that good good dirt

[Beck]

im like down to jive rn if anyone else is around

or do we have to wait till d1

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

When a townie places a random vote, it is typically meant to incite a reaction (either from the recipient of the vote or whoever else might comment), which can serve as a springboard for those sikk readz.

When a mafioso places a "random" vote, it is typically meant to give the appearance of inciting a reaction. The visible difference is often negligible, but I do propose that scum random votes more often come in the form of just a name, whereas town random votes are more often accompanied by an accusation -- even if a silly early Day 1 caliber accusation.

Your "vote" was thrown into the thread in a vacuum without context, and it was presented with a light-hearted personality, which I think can be indicative of the latter example. The vote exists for appearance rather than for a pro-town strategic purpose (if my assertion is accurate).

In MP's posts I can see perhaps one moment that might inspire a quick vote. I'm not telling you what it is though until you tell me first. Your the one who has placed the vote, sir. The onus is on you to provide the inspiration if you're to assert than an inspiration exists. I will not hand it to you.

well there's some linki salad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Your the one who has placed the vote, sir.

I am truly a Republican.

[leetic]

I am here!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who are the best wolves in this lineup? Who are the best villagers?

This depends upon what specific skill you're looking for. I would suggest though that the most dangerous possible scum would be Epignosis, MovingPictures, Sloonei, and Golden. That's no slight on the rest though, everyone is capable of putting together a strong game. It's a solid lineup. The "best" villagers are whichever ones make bloody posts. All of you can fight over that title by making bloody posts.

Is there anyone who cannot play one alignment well?

I don't think this question can be answered without slighting someone, so I'd prefer to leave it alone. I know that's not your intention, so no worries.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am here!

Hello leetic. We're just starting to get to the meat. Get in someone's grill.

[Beck]

i can vibe with that JJJ

can i call you JJJ? or Jimmy? or Jagged? or Jay?

thoughts on my explanation now that ive given it?

[Marmot]

Day 1 cannot arrive soon enough.

Aside from the poll itself, what does Day 1 offer that Day 0 does not?

Ask not what Day 1 can do for you, ask what you can do for Day 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i can vibe with that JJJ

can i call you JJJ? or Jimmy? or Jagged? or Jay?

thoughts on my explanation now that ive given it?

Most people call me JJJ, though 3J has seen a recent surge. My actual name is Jay. Pick among those I suppose.

If you call me Jagged that would be weird. I would feel awkward.

The MP moment I referenced was indeed in his OP, so I suppose I can also vibe. Quin referenced the moment precisely. I'm not sure what "strategies" there are to discuss, particularly that need to be mentioned in the present as a projection of a later discussion. I'll reserve further judgment on that until MP has expanded on whatever he meant by that.

[Marmot]

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

I like stances. Can you describe those feelings somehow?

[Beck]

sounds good to me

and my concern w/ MP7 is not his strategies or even if they exist, but the fact that wolves have nothing to say upon entrance and sometimes it's easier to say nothing at all -- that's what he did

ofc this read has a timer on it so once he starts posting again ill reassess

[Beck]

i like you, Jay

i need a VP, you in?

[Beck]

Metalmarsh's posts have made me grin more than once

so even if you're a wolf that's a good thing, means i will lynch you last

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i like you, Jay

i need a VP, you in?

I think we're going to get along, Beck.

However, I think my people are going to need to talk to your people. I am just not VP material. I am in charge. I run the show.

[Marmot]

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

I like stances. Can you describe those feelings somehow?

You are a marvel and a king. Beck is willing to ask his questions to the thread (as opposed to looking for bts help). MP is a gut feeling.

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Ricochet... Law of averages suggests that he is mafia, amiright?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Metalmarsh's posts have made me grin more than once

so even if you're a wolf that's a good thing, means i will lynch you last

He's going to lure you into his marmot hole.

[Beck]

what's BTS?

[Beck]

cmon gang

let's get this political party bumpin

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

I like stances. Can you describe those feelings somehow?

You are a marvel and a king. Beck is willing to ask his questions to the thread (as opposed to looking for bts help). MP is a gut feeling.

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Ricochet... Law of averages suggests that he is mafia, amiright?

I think you're town. Emoticon casing is town. You get a town read.

I think Beck seems fine. I am pleased with his level of engagement and I don't get the impression to this point that it's fake. In many ways he initiated the Actual Mafia Posts® in this game and has helped us to get away from Day 0 goofing off. That's neato. I have no beefs with Ricochet. The content he has provided might be thinner than usual in terms of game relevance, but I do get the impression he is trying to incorporate some real discussion into his roleplay. He's having fun. I have no reason to this point to provide Epignosis with a town read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what's BTS?

Behind the scenes

BTSC = behind the scenes communication/chat

[Marmot]

Metalmarsh's posts have made me grin more than once

so even if you're a wolf that's a good thing, means i will lynch you last

He's going to lure you into his marmot hole.

I played chess on the beach just a couple hours ago.

Linki: BTSC = Behind the Scenes Chat, bts is the first three quarters of that phrase.

[Marmot]

I think you're town. Emoticon casing is town. You get a town read.

Interesting, why do you think so?

[Beck]

im curious now

what impressions do any of you have of my play, if any

because i dont think (?) ive played with any of you before

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think you're town. Emoticon casing is town. You get a town read.

Interesting, why do you think so?

On the surface it may sound like a silly accusation -- that someone's smiley usage is indicative of their alignment. Perhaps it even is silly. That's less important to me, however, than whether it's a genuine product of your sleuthing mindset. I think townies notice smileys and other minor nuances like that; Strawhenge on RYM was one who would talk about smiley trends. Scum players are likely to be less inclined to make this accusation, particularly at a hornet's nest like Epignosis, because it just begs for someone to retort: "Uh, that's ridiculous. You're smearing me with this ridiculous thing you've said."

Perhaps Certified WIFOM Bucket Metalmarsh might be one to deviate from that trend, but I don't get that vibe here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

im curious now

what impressions do any of you have of my play, if any

because i dont think (?) ive played with any of you before

It's too early for me to have a terribly developed perspective of your methods, but I think you're off to a good start. It's visible that you come from a culture which is unlike this one, and I think you have a unique advantage -- you're not subject to preconceptions about any of us. You can make reads purely at face value. Everyone else here, by virtue of our time playing together, is going to be dealing with biases on reads that you'll be immune to. I'd encourage you to embrace that in this game.

Perhaps when the game is over we can provide each other more substantive feedback.

[Beck]

thank you for that post

sounds good

[Beck]

not quite sure what else to discuss without creating reads for the sake of creating reads

normally id be making some player-based meta reads but ive got no ammo for that

[Marmot]

im curious now

what impressions do any of you have of my play, if any

because i dont think (?) ive played with any of you before

You seem genuine to me. As Jay said, you want to steer chat towards on topic material, and not just get the civ cred of doing so. You've got the eye of the tiger.

I think you're town. Emoticon casing is town. You get a town read.

Interesting, why do you think so?

On the surface it may sound like a silly accusation -- that someone's smiley usage is indicative of their alignment. Perhaps it even is silly. That's less important to me, however, than whether it's a genuine product of your sleuthing mindset. I think townies notice smileys and other minor nuances like that; Strawhenge on RYM was one who would talk about smiley trends. Scum players are likely to be less inclined to make this accusation, particularly at a hornet's nest like Epignosis, because it just begs for someone to retort: "Uh, that's ridiculous. You're smearing me with this ridiculous thing you've said."

Perhaps Certified WIFOM Bucket Metalmarsh might be one to deviate from that trend, but I don't get that vibe here.

I like this explanation.

Certified WIFOM Bucket Metalmarsh laid an egg in his most recent game and hopes to have a stronger performance this time around.

That said. Expect WIFOM! Lots of WIFOM! It's gonna be great. It's gonna be yuuuge!

[Marmot]

not quite sure what else to discuss without creating reads for the sake of creating reads

normally id be making some player-based meta reads but ive got no ammo for that

I am acting completely off my meta to this point, so your best bet is to keep a mafia read on me for the time being.

I'm Making Flippy Floppy!

[Epignosis]

I guess I'll ask this to anyone willing to answer.

Who are the best wolves in this lineup? Who are the best villagers?

Is there anyone who cannot play one alignment well?

If I'm bad I will win. See my signature? Most of those are mafia wins. I'm proud of that.

Am I bad? Are you?

[Epignosis]

Actually that was a stupid ass thing to say. Most of my signature consists of hosting. Beyond that are mafia wins.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

not quite sure what else to discuss without creating reads for the sake of creating reads

normally id be making some player-based meta reads but ive got no ammo for that

In recent memory I have made an effort to keep the game thread at a reasonable (slower) pace during Day 0, just because some people can feel overwhelmed when it blows up too fast before they've even started. In that regard this might be different for you, especially from what it seen on Mafia Universe where every game moves at the speed of light. Once Day 1 begins and there are votes available I'll be ready to go full throttle, but until then I'll keep it cool. I want everyone to be fully caught up when the fun really starts.

I say all this to imply that there's no rush right now to start churning out content. Soon though.

[Marmot]

Actually that was a stupid ass thing to say. Most of my signature consists of hosting. Beyond that are mafia wins.

Are you going to win this game?

[Beck]

I guess I'll ask this to anyone willing to answer.

Who are the best wolves in this lineup? Who are the best villagers?

Is there anyone who cannot play one alignment well?

If I'm bad I will win. See my signature? Most of those are mafia wins. I'm proud of that.

Am I bad? Are you?

i actually have signatures disabled cause i mostly play on mobile and signatures make parsing all the posts more difficult

but ill take your word for it

which is probably not smart of me to do cause you could be a dirty politician lying about your resume

[Epignosis]

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Can you explain why I did that?

[Beck]

not quite sure what else to discuss without creating reads for the sake of creating reads

normally id be making some player-based meta reads but ive got no ammo for that

In recent memory I have made an effort to keep the game thread at a reasonable (slower) pace during Day 0, just because some people can feel overwhelmed when it blows up too fast before they've even started. In that regard this might be different for you, especially from what it seen on Mafia Universe where every game moves at the speed of light. Once Day 1 begins and there are votes available I'll be ready to go full throttle, but until then I'll keep it cool. I want everyone to be fully caught up when the fun really starts.

I say all this to imply that there's no rush right now to start churning out content. Soon though.

so all ive gotta do rn is play it cool?

i can do that

[Epignosis]

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

I like stances. Can you describe those feelings somehow?

You are a marvel and a king. Beck is willing to ask his questions to the thread (as opposed to looking for bts help). MP is a gut feeling.

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Ricochet... Law of averages suggests that he is mafia, amiright?

I think you're town. Emoticon casing is town. You get a town read.

I think Beck seems fine. I am pleased with his level of engagement and I don't get the impression to this point that it's fake. In many ways he initiated the Actual Mafia Posts® in this game and has helped us to get away from Day 0 goofing off. That's neato. I have no beefs with Ricochet. The content he has provided might be thinner than usual in terms of game relevance, but I do get the impression he is trying to incorporate some real discussion into his roleplay. He's having fun. I have no reason to this point to provide Epignosis with a town read.

I wipe my ass with your town reads.

[Epignosis]

Actually that was a stupid ass thing to say. Most of my signature consists of hosting. Beyond that are mafia wins.

Are you going to win this game?

No, probably not.

[Quin]

i like you, Jay

i need a VP, you in?

I think we're going to get along, Beck.

However, I think my people are going to need to talk to your people. I am just not VP material. I am in charge. I run the show.

I say we let this happen and if he hasn't lynched all the baddies by Day 4 then we coup detat this son of a bitch and put me in charge.

[Epignosis]

I'm winning some money tonight though. Hell yes.

[Epignosis]

Hey boy!



Who is bad?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wipe my ass with your town reads.

Just admit it. You want one.

[Marmot]

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Can you explain why I did that?

Why don't you explain why you did it?

not quite sure what else to discuss without creating reads for the sake of creating reads

normally id be making some player-based meta reads but ive got no ammo for that

In recent memory I have made an effort to keep the game thread at a reasonable (slower) pace during Day 0, just because some people can feel overwhelmed when it blows up too fast before they've even started. In that regard this might be different for you, especially from what it seen on Mafia Universe where every game moves at the speed of light. Once Day 1 begins and there are votes available I'll be ready to go full throttle, but until then I'll keep it cool. I want everyone to be fully caught up when the fun really starts.

I say all this to imply that there's no rush right now to start churning out content. Soon though.

so all ive gotta do rn is play it cool?

i can do that

You can do whatever you like. Welcome to America! The land of the free, home of the brave. We've got good beer.

[Epignosis]

I wipe my ass with your town reads.

Just admit it. You want one.

I would never trust it.