[END] Parks and Recreation Mafia

[Perd Hapley]

Day 3 Final Vote Tally

Who is a murderer?

Poll ended at Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:00 pm


Andy Dwyer
0
No votes

Ann Perkins
0
No votes

Ben Wyatt
0
No votes

Bobby Newport
0
No votes

Chris Traeger
6
Ron Swanson (4), Leslie Knope (5), Bobby Newport (7), Jerry Gergich (8), Donna Meagle (10), Jean-Ralphio (15) 40%

Donna Meagle
0
No votes

Jean-Ralphio
0
No votes

Jerry Gergich
2
Ben Wyatt (9), Chris Traeger (14) 13%

Leslie Knope
1
Andy Dwyer (2) 7%

Ron Swanson
0
No votes

Tom Haverford
0
No votes

*Unvote*
0
No votes

*No Lynch*
0
No votes

Greg Pikitis! (hosts, deadies, non-players)
6
MovingPictures07 (1), JaggedJimmyJay (3), a2thezebra (6), Quin (11), juliets (12), motel room (13) 40%
Total votes : 15

Missing votes: Ann Perkins, Tom Haverford

[Perd Hapley]

Night 3: Flu Shot

You are watching the news, and I am Perd Hapley reporting the news you are watching.

I am here at the Pawnee Hospital to tell you a shocking story that will shock you. Tonight, while giving a flu shot to a patient, a local nurse was attacked by that patient. Witnesses described a man, in jeans and a black tank top, with multiple tattoos and gray hair as the attacker who attacked the nurse. They said she reached for his arm to give him the flu shot and he jumped off the bed, grabbed the needle and stabbed her in the neck with it. He was detained by Pawnee police and his blood work shows he had a variety of drugs in his system. While they were questioning him, he indicated that he had been paid to do it, but before he could answer he died of a drug overdose.

I'm Perd Hapley, and now I'm not going to get my flu shot this year.

Spoiler: show

Ann Perkins has been killed.

She was Cryptonic and a Vanilla Townie.

It is now Day 4.

You have 48 hours to lynch a murderer.

[Tangrowth]

I think I unlocked and then re-locked the thread on accident, in case any of you tried posting just now. It is now open.

[Towny McTownface]

RIP Ann, you sweet, beautiful, naive, exotic princess.

I still think that Chris was trying to save Jerry and that they were both trying to distance themselves from each other. We got one, so I'm voting for the other this time around. Hopefully we knock out two of these bastards in a row.

I won't have access to a computer for most of tomorrow, but I should be on one all day Friday to keep up on new developments. For now, I'm parking my vote in Jerry's spot.

[Maid]

RIP Ann, you sweet, beautiful, naive, exotic princess.

I still think that Chris was trying to save Jerry and that they were both trying to distance themselves from each other. We got one, so I'm voting for the other this time around. Hopefully we knock out two of these bastards in a row.

I won't have access to a computer for most of tomorrow, but I should be on one all day Friday to keep up on new developments. For now, I'm parking my vote in Jerry's spot.

I like when things are called. I like when elections are called.* I like when I called Chris bad. I like that I called you his partner.

*In my favor of course.

[November]

lynch jerry
then leslie

[Akemi Homura]

It's awfully sad to see Ann go, but I don't feel too bad about Chris. He wasn't from Pawnee anyway. I think we should help his partner Ben follow in his footsteps.

[Akemi Homura]

Aw c'mon guys. I know you like to tease me around the office, but lynching me is taking it too far.

[November]

jerry why do you distrust ben

[nutellaphant]

If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

[Thundercat]

RIP Ann, you sweet, beautiful, naive, exotic princess.

I still think that Chris was trying to save Jerry and that they were both trying to distance themselves from each other. We got one, so I'm voting for the other this time around. Hopefully we knock out two of these bastards in a row.

I won't have access to a computer for most of tomorrow, but I should be on one all day Friday to keep up on new developments. For now, I'm parking my vote in Jerry's spot.

I like when things are called. I like when elections are called.* I like when I called Chris bad. I like that I called you his partner.

*In my favor of course.

Leslie brings up a reasonable point that the Chris and Jerry votes could be seen as distancing. Why do you think that is not the case and that Leslie and Chris are partners?

lynch jerry
then leslie

You've been asking us to lynch Leslie forever. Why do you now want us to lynch Jerry first?

jerry why do you distrust ben

Or is this getting more to the reason you want Jerry first now? I get that Andy, I really do. I have town read on Ben as well.

Andy - if you had one lynch to lead, who would it be against and why? I feel like you have insight to give that most people blow off because "Andy is scatterbrained." and for as much as Ron has tried to corral your attention and widen your scope, it's somehow fallen a bit short. For April. For Pawnee. Help us out kid. I know you got it in you.

[November]

well it's all to do with how the lynch went down. jerry's votes looked like distancing to me and i think chris' flip is more indicative of a bad jerry than a bad leslie

[Maid]

Leslie brings up a reasonable point that the Chris and Jerry votes could be seen as distancing. Why do you think that is not the case and that Leslie and Chris are partners?

A reasonable point that...could be seen as distancing. You know, I make reasonable points all the time, and people are always distancing from me, so hello!

Chris got lynched trying to save Leslie. And Leslie voted for self-preservation. Open and shut case. If Leslie isn't bad, then Donna is for saying things I don't like.

[Thundercat]

Bobby -I know it's hard to understand sometimes, but I am not bad for asking for clarification. I just want to understand where everyone is coming from. For all I know, you could be bad. I'm still trying to figure all that out ya know? BTW - I do really like your candy.

[Thundercat]

well it's all to do with how the lynch went down. jerry's votes looked like distancing to me and i think chris' flip is more indicative of a bad jerry than a bad leslie

That is super for sure understandable, and honestly, I expect most people to go after Jerry because of it. But you've gone pretty much since day 1 ballz to the wallz on Leslie. How is this last cycle more damning to Jerry than Leslie in *your* eyes? This is important to me as I try to figure stuff out which of the two are lying to me.

[Paprika]

For serious, I think we need to recognize the advice Andy's been giving us since Day1....Leslie is bad, and here's why (srsly, can't remember evr being this lucid since I tried E for the first time shortly after my Bar Mitzvah) She seemed off a bit in the start, but most first day reads can be ALL SORTS of wiggety-wiggety-wiggety-whack, right? But over the next couple days, here's a breakdown of what I'm scopin':
D2: suspects ron and andy, eyes jerry, says Chris is hard to get a read on, votes ron but later changes it to Ben and shortly thereafter says it'll go to Tom or Jerry (like the cartoon! LOL)finally landing on Jerry and then disses YOURS TRULY calling me an Eagletonian carsalseman or soething which is really masking how much she relly wants a ride on the J-R EXPRESS with stops at arousal and exhilaration station!...but I digress...at the end of the day she says "It's more likely Jeremy's bad than me. You guys forced my hand." and follows that up with

I really hope Jamm's bad. Otherwise we just voted for two civvies. He's on my suspicious list anyway, so if I survive then we'll know for sure.

...JJ later turns up civ,but not before Leslie is quick to point out:

Let the record show it was April and Ron who waited until the last minute to vote for me.

So basically in the span of a day, the Knopester throws 5 different people under the bus! That just don't smell right to me, and I should know having been the PERSONAL scentier to none other than Mr. Dennis FEINSTEIN himself!

I think she was targeting Jerry because he's yur typical shy, quiet simpleton who would make a GREAT patsy and Ron because he was the most vocal threat after April (who had been all but confirmed as civ) and Ann, who was later taken out after making a hard push against Leslie & Chris on D3.

[1337]

Ace in the hole! As beautiful as the first pig roast of the winter season. Never trusted that sunshine hippie flatterer.

I'll be back with more thoughts and supatowning later. I didn't get revenge killed, so I might be on to others as well. We might be dealing with scaredycats, after all.

[Akemi Homura]

I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

[Akemi Homura]

The accusation that I was distancing from Chris is absurd. I was one of the first to call out Chris for his phoneyness. Phoneyness I see echoed in Ben.

[Akemi Homura]

If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

I always distrust posts like this. "If you don't do X, I'll have no choice but to vote you. Then if I don't satisfy him and you guys lynch a civvie, he can say "well, it was his fault, not mine. He should have done what I said." It's a trap designed to duck accountability.

[Akemi Homura]

I think Ben is the killer, but I'll move my vote to Leslie for now in case I am not around for the lynch and need to save myself.

[1337]

The accusation that I was distancing from Chris is absurd. I was one of the first to call out Chris for his phoneyness. Phoneyness I see echoed in Ben.

That... is distancing. *frowns*

[November]

I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

This is the laziest attempt at a defense I've seen in a while.

The accusation that I was distancing from Chris is absurd. I was one of the first to call out Chris for his phoneyness. Phoneyness I see echoed in Ben.

Bullsuit.

If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

I always distrust posts like this. "If you don't do X, I'll have no choice but to vote you. Then if I don't satisfy him and you guys lynch a civvie, he can say "well, it was his fault, not mine. He should have done what I said." It's a trap designed to duck accountability.

you pretty much did this exact thing in the first post I quoted in this post.

[Paprika]

LOVIN' the new threads, R-truth! #ballin' #getchasome

[1337]

Hunt approach number 1

Fact for Day 1, Chris was on the mislynch committee. Excluding myself as town, that leaves two people alive who also piled on Bill: Ben and Donna.

I feel I have talked before about Ben's Day 1 activity on this case, in that for a long time, he was just fluff and banter, even as Bill discussed important stuff, like the Miller claim and "counter-claiming" on it. Then, at halfpoint, he turns to serious casemaking, including Bill in his visor (along Perkins - confirmed civ - and Andrew - confirmed doofus). That is a two-civ focus, at least. The part I remember talking about is feeling that a bit of Ben's arguments had a bit of a vibe smear towards Bill's interactions with April. The momentum of his case and vote was midpoint enough to allow an interpretation of trying to make himself useful. Overall, I feel Ben's Day 1 speaks less well about him.

His mentions of Chris seem to have not existed at all during this phase.

Donna, on the other hand, made an unreasoned (or rather banter-filled) vote, at the end of the phase. This would be a dangerous mafia move, if only under some shelter considering the immensity of that wagon.

Her mentions of Chris during this phase have also not existed. She did not acknowledge his considerable presence, although she made a slight effort to read Ben, Knope, Perkins, Andrew and myself as ok for putting the same amount of work overall. This constitutes perhaps a worrisome detail, although such combination of following in Chris' footsteps, yet ignoring himself, is carelessness that makes me doubt it would be part of mafia's practice.

As for the others, to sum it up in short:

Newport and Tom were AWOL.
Andy began his crusade against Knope.
Jan-Remo shitvoted Tom.
Jerry locked on Ben for questionable, underbaked reasons (profiling him as a "tryhard"), while also placing Chris in the same boat. Contrary to Donna, this pings me as a potential attempt to distance from Chris, fling shit at someone else (or, alternatively, distance from both teammates) and vote outside the sure mislynch.
Leslie was not proactive and went to some deal to put weight into a suspicion on me, right on endphase's edge.

Overall, at this point, I would single Jerry, Leslie and Ben as suspects. Less so Donna and Donny. The others cannot be profiled based on proving themselves less worthy than lawyers. Let's see how this will hold up, going into the next phase.

Fact about Day 2: Chris was yet again happy to find himself on a civilian lynch, with possible extra investment to create diversion, as we are currently surmising. The fact that he chose to vote on a ping on a total new suspect (Jamm), compared to old crafted suspects he even acknowledge to be still active (Ann and Jerry), was noted and led to his well-deserved downfall.

Ben worked consistent on a Jerry case throughout the phase, even influencing a midway leading wagon on him. If Ben and Chris are in cohorts, this would look like inconsistent, wire-tripping teamwork, given that Chris undid the Jerry lynch that Ben worked on. Unless Leslie is also in the mix and it was required for Chris to do something about saving Leslie. Not out of the question, but too much of a third party stretch all the same. At basic level, the Ben - Chris link is weakened by the contradictory wagons they created.

Donna was again in "I'll post a bit on everyone while polishing my nails" mode. Again she placed the contributive players in her top echelon, this time mentioning Chris as "middle of the pack". My insistence on Chris led to her saying more words on him. Then, my suggestion to get more people to talk about Chris led to her voting Jamm, a person she had nothing to say about except "I hope he will come back to post". *frowns* This is almost changing the subject. The fact that she voted the same as Chris yet again, plus everything above, is borderline suicidal from a teammate perspective.

Newport was again non-existent.
Tom shitvoted Ben. On a separate note, I do not understand why this man still exists in this game. The last time he was seen, we were in a different month.
Andrew was Andrew.
Leslie was very supportive of the Jerry case - almost going along with Ben's whole idea - then saved her ass from getting lynched.
Jerry kept pedalling on Ben and the high posters, including Chris, although he did a stinker of a job to cover anyone but Ben.
Jam-Robo reacted to Chris call towards low posters and it even shows up, among his pile of untranslatable gibberish, that he "feels he can trust him". *frowns*

So at the end of this phase, I'd worry less about Ben (unless that mentioned Chris - Ben - Leslie connection is right in our ***ing face), slightly more about Donna and Joo-Rall and Leslie and Jerry remain a constant focus.

Fact about Day 3: unless Andy or Ben are part of the equation, Chris was bussed.

Andrew was Andrew.
J-I'm tired of this name already exhibited a 180 on suspecting Andy (no longer), suspecting Leslie (sudden yes) and suspecting Chris (sudden yes). *frowns*
Ben analysed a Chris - Jerry connection. He went with Jerry and he has a line about feeling unsure about the Chris vote gaining so much traction, which is the type of insecurity that should come more from a lonely civ, plus there's really no sense of him trying to change people's minds with this statement, or with the counter-wagon vote.
Donna uses two or three adjectives to describe how she feels worse about Chris and then votes for him. Mhm.
Jerry did shit all day and dumped the vote on Chris with ease.
Leslie was quite trigger happy, following my case on Chris. Yet again, there is little material to tell us why we should clear her for such actions. Her sole interaction with Chris was both interpretable source for forced antagonism and remarks that are fair (Chris' Jamm vote having been meant for a Jerry self-save, not her's) or even very fair (Jerry distancing from Chris).

Jerry, Leslie, Donna, Jeantard remain constant. In this order, even.

[1337]

I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

Why is this argument of yours 80% lore garbage, and yet you speak of us being lazy in our suspicions and votes? The only bit that has anything to do with mafia content(that Ben is faking it or "trying to hard") is the stuff I don't recall you having elaborated in any significant way.

[November]

ron, serious question, why are my posts "andrew being andrew" when i brought up like at least 3 of those points already?

i'm not complaining, i appreciate your post, and agree with it
but why is "andrew being andrew", but you are reposting what andrew said.

[November]

I don't even suspect u but like jeez

bert macklin is just trying to both have fun and do his best

[November]

i'm ok with either lynch btw

[Akemi Homura]

I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

Why is this argument of yours 80% lore garbage, and yet you speak of us being lazy in our suspicions and votes? The only bit that has anything to do with mafia content(that Ben is faking it or "trying to hard") is the stuff I don't recall you having elaborated in any significant way.

I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

[Towny McTownface]

I voted for Chris because Ron found an obvious and gaping inconsistency in Chris' story I wish I could say I'd found. Yes, it does seem like I placed my vote rashly and quickly, but I also had room to be convinced to change my vote to someone else if more convincing evidence had arised. I didn't because Chris' defense wasn't sufficient and, if anything, more damning. Not only toward himself, but also toward Jerry. I was the second person to place a vote for Chris - immediately after Ron. Jerry was the fourth and he did it quietly.

I understand that I've been all over the place and the only way to truly prove my innocence is by dying, but we got one of those bastards yesterday and I want to get another one of them today. My vote stays with Jerry for now.

Chris got lynched trying to save Leslie. And Leslie voted for self-preservation. Open and shut case. If Leslie isn't bad, then Donna is for saying things I don't like.

Jamm got lynched that round. When Chris got lynched, I only had one vote and he had six.

And what do you mean about Donna?

[Towny McTownface]

For serious, I think we need to recognize the advice Andy's been giving us since Day1....Leslie is bad, and here's why (srsly, can't remember evr being this lucid since I tried E for the first time shortly after my Bar Mitzvah) She seemed off a bit in the start, but most first day reads can be ALL SORTS of wiggety-wiggety-wiggety-whack, right? But over the next couple days, here's a breakdown of what I'm scopin':
D2: suspects ron and andy, eyes jerry, says Chris is hard to get a read on, votes ron but later changes it to Ben and shortly thereafter says it'll go to Tom or Jerry (like the cartoon! LOL)finally landing on Jerry and then disses YOURS TRULY calling me an Eagletonian carsalseman or soething which is really masking how much she relly wants a ride on the J-R EXPRESS with stops at arousal and exhilaration station!...but I digress...at the end of the day she says "It's more likely Jeremy's bad than me. You guys forced my hand." and follows that up with

I really hope Jamm's bad. Otherwise we just voted for two civvies. He's on my suspicious list anyway, so if I survive then we'll know for sure.

...JJ later turns up civ,but not before Leslie is quick to point out:

Let the record show it was April and Ron who waited until the last minute to vote for me.

So basically in the span of a day, the Knopester throws 5 different people under the bus! That just don't smell right to me, and I should know having been the PERSONAL scentier to none other than Mr. Dennis FEINSTEIN himself!

First of all you're disgusting and it would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever happen in a million years. Second, this has all be discussed to death and what kind of effort were you putting forward? Third, I didn't (and still don't, but I'm getting a slightly better idea) know who I could trust. Fourth. You're gross.

I think she was targeting Jerry because he's yur typical shy, quiet simpleton who would make a GREAT patsy and Ron because he was the most vocal threat after April (who had been all but confirmed as civ) and Ann, who was later taken out after making a hard push against Leslie & Chris on D3.

I'm not "targeting" anyone. I'm voting for Jerry because I think he's a scumbag. Just like I thought Chris was a scumbag.

I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

Still no argument or case for your innocence then? Mafia scheme, evade, and murder. Civilians reason and debate. Right now you're doing one of the bad ones with your evasiveness.

[Akemi Homura]

I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

Still no argument or case for your innocence then? Mafia scheme, evade, and murder. Civilians reason and debate. Right now you're doing one of the bad ones with your evasiveness.

Mafia always evade and Civilians always reason? I guess you know best, Leslie.

[nutellaphant]

Jerry's line of thinking seems to be that a true civilian wouldn't bother trying to defend himself.

Or explain himself.

Or try to convince others of his opinions.

Or really elaborate on his own opinions.

Or do anything other than smugly flick his nose at everyone else from the corner.

Truly, the parks department's finest employee.

[Akemi Homura]

It just seems so rude to argue with you fine people.

[nutellaphant]

It just seems so rude to argue with you fine people.

Just this once, I'll allow you to.

I won't laugh in your face, or bring up the whole "fart attack" incident, or anything else.

Man to man, civilian to ostensible civilian:

What is your defense against the people voting against you?
Can you please elaborate about your case against me?
Why are you acting like you've completely given up? Is this your idea of RP?

[Akemi Homura]

I am trying to stay relatively in character, yes. I haven't given up, but I feel like there is very little I can say in defense that will convince anyone. I was distancing from Chris? How do I disprove that? To me it seems clear that my suspicion was sincere, since I was advocating to lynch him and voted for him. Others don;t see it that way.

My case against you is flimsy? Of course it is. It's based on my gut read of your tone, plus you vote on Day One. Actually, your sincerity and honesty in these questions is making me rethink my read of you a bit.

I would say one final thing in my defense. You must see that I would be a very easy lynch at this point, and what would mafia like more than an easy lynch of a civilian who has been largely too busy to develop substantive cases or elaborate defenses? I'll admit that I haven't been the greatest asset for the civilians this game, but I fear that another mislynch will cinch it for the Mafia

[Paprika]

First of all you're disgusting and it would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever happen in a million years.

That's not a nope Knope! What say later tonight we discuss some possibilities: I bring the wine, you bring the FINE! If TomTom ever shows back up he can hook us up with that jacuzzi limo and we can do a little-scrub-a-dub-dub clean you up in the hottub, you dirty girl you!

[Towny McTownface]

I am trying to stay relatively in character, yes. I haven't given up, but I feel like there is very little I can say in defense that will convince anyone. I was distancing from Chris? How do I disprove that? To me it seems clear that my suspicion was sincere, since I was advocating to lynch him and voted for him. Others don;t see it that way.

My case against you is flimsy? Of course it is. It's based on my gut read of your tone, plus you vote on Day One. Actually, your sincerity and honesty in these questions is making me rethink my read of you a bit.

I would say one final thing in my defense. You must see that I would be a very easy lynch at this point, and what would mafia like more than an easy lynch of a civilian who has been largely too busy to develop substantive cases or elaborate defenses? I'll admit that I haven't been the greatest asset for the civilians this game, but I fear that another mislynch will cinch it for the Mafia

Like I've said and demonstrated before, my votes aren't set in stone. Give me one legitimate reason why I shouldn't vote for you. You keep saying you're the easy lynch, but we're tied 50/50, so it's obviously not the case. You're also saying that another bad lynch "will" seal the deal for the mafia, which is what I said before we lynched Chris, but you're coming off as disingenuous as Chris did.

How do you disprove that you were distancing yourself from Chris? Provide us with reasons why you've made the decisions you've made. What was your case against Ben again?

That's not a nope Knope! What say later tonight we discuss some possibilities: I bring the wine, you bring the FINE! If TomTom ever shows back up he can hook us up with that jacuzzi limo and we can do a little-scrub-a-dub-dub clean you up in the hottub, you dirty girl you!

I'm married.

[Thundercat]

Looking at our numbers there 9 players remaining. 2 of them are Mafia. So at this moment in time, we have 7 civs to 2 mafia.

If we lynch a mafia, we get to be 7 civs to 1 mafia. Mafia Night kill and we are down 6 civs 1 Mafia.
If by some sad twist of fate, we lynch a civ, we are down 8 civs 2 mafia - Mafia Night kill, we are down to 6 civs and 2 mafia. Still a majority going into the next lynch. It's getting tight for sure, but it's not yet lynch or lose. One of the two of them seems to be playing us.

I don't think that Leslie and Jerry are on the same team one of them has to be bad, and I think it's Leslie. She started the doom and gloom. She's saying she sounded more sincere than Jerry even though, technically, our numbers grow tighter today than they were yesterday. And continue to do so every day. Jerry sounds frustrated in his role play, and like his role play, feels like the easy scapegoat.

I'm placing my vote on Leslie.

[November]

for the record, donna just did a huge flip flop to (maybe) save jerry

I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P



Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

I voted for Jamm because Ron had made a comment about "faxing the quiet ones to get them to play." Of the people who were quiet, Jamm was the most suspicious to me. I honestly had no idea what happened after I voted till I read back post lynch.

I think Leslie came off the last lynch looking town. She's always been second tier town, behind April and Ron in my list and that hasn't changed.

I had Chris placed middle of the road day 2, but day 3 is looking a little different. His posts read frantic and scattered. Like he knows he's caught. I think that's a good vote today.

I agree with Ron that Bobby Newport has the air of finding a "new life" so to speak. Tom is still far too quiet this late in the game. I know I'm a bit in the "pot/kettle" club, but I do try to put some quality into the posts even if I can't have the quantity.

J-R is so immersed into his role play that all I can think when I read his posts is "thinking requires having a brain. I doubt one exists here."

Jerry's quiet vote on Chris as well as not addressing how he was almost lynched is disturbing.

For me, today it's between Jerry and Chris. I'm leaning more toward Chris though, I think his posts feel more, as April would say, gross than Jerry's.

RIP Ann, you sweet, beautiful, naive, exotic princess.

I still think that Chris was trying to save Jerry and that they were both trying to distance themselves from each other. We got one, so I'm voting for the other this time around. Hopefully we knock out two of these bastards in a row.

I won't have access to a computer for most of tomorrow, but I should be on one all day Friday to keep up on new developments. For now, I'm parking my vote in Jerry's spot.

I like when things are called. I like when elections are called.* I like when I called Chris bad. I like that I called you his partner.

*In my favor of course.

Leslie brings up a reasonable point that the Chris and Jerry votes could be seen as distancing. Why do you think that is not the case and that Leslie and Chris are partners?

lynch jerry
then leslie

You've been asking us to lynch Leslie forever. Why do you now want us to lynch Jerry first?

jerry why do you distrust ben

Or is this getting more to the reason you want Jerry first now? I get that Andy, I really do. I have town read on Ben as well.

Andy - if you had one lynch to lead, who would it be against and why? I feel like you have insight to give that most people blow off because "Andy is scatterbrained." and for as much as Ron has tried to corral your attention and widen your scope, it's somehow fallen a bit short. For April. For Pawnee. Help us out kid. I know you got it in you.

[1337]

ron, serious question, why are my posts "andrew being andrew" when i brought up like at least 3 of those points already?

i'm not complaining, i appreciate your post, and agree with it
but why is "andrew being andrew", but you are reposting what andrew said.

Because, from votes perspective alone, you are incorrigible and implacable. I have nothing to interpret about it except that you are either the equivalent of a good pupper who just wants to pee on one player alone or a bad pupper who is just rubbing his obstinacy in our face and getting away with it.

That should no longer be applicable with hunting approach number 2. At least, I hope so.

I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

Why is this argument of yours 80% lore garbage, and yet you speak of us being lazy in our suspicions and votes? The only bit that has anything to do with mafia content(that Ben is faking it or "trying to hard") is the stuff I don't recall you having elaborated in any significant way.

I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

Oh wow, more b***s***.

Here's a civilian thing you could do. Convince me to place my vote next to yours. Cause I sure ain't doing it right now, with you being so sketchy.

Jerry's line of thinking seems to be that a true civilian wouldn't bother trying to defend himself.

Or explain himself.

Or try to convince others of his opinions.

Or really elaborate on his own opinions.

Or do anything other than smugly flick his nose at everyone else from the corner.

Truly, the parks department's finest employee.

I like how you're thinking, sir.

Now tell me why your Day 1 casemaking appears so much of a stinker.

[November]

Ron, Im okay with jerry or leslie being lynched and just want to rbing this sdiscsussion point up


what do you think of donna's flip flop on leslie?

[nutellaphant]

Now tell me why your Day 1 casemaking appears so much of a stinker.

I assumed that if April was lying about her Miller claim, either a fellow civ would know so and attempt to fight it, or the mafia would try and cast doubt on it. I looked for the person with the biggest negative knee-jerk reaction, and found it in Bill.

I thought that his hostility about April's claim came from more than healthy skepticism. I was wrong. I made connections in my head that were a result of me overthinking the game, not the actual game itself. And I made a wrong call.

Not sure what else I can say about it other than explaining my mistake and admitting fault.

[nutellaphant]

Looking at our numbers there 9 players remaining. 2 of them are Mafia. So at this moment in time, we have 7 civs to 2 mafia.

If we lynch a mafia, we get to be 7 civs to 1 mafia. Mafia Night kill and we are down 6 civs 1 Mafia.
If by some sad twist of fate, we lynch a civ, we are down 8 civs 2 mafia - Mafia Night kill, we are down to 6 civs and 2 mafia. Still a majority going into the next lynch. It's getting tight for sure, but it's not yet lynch or lose. One of the two of them seems to be playing us.

I don't think that Leslie and Jerry are on the same team one of them has to be bad, and I think it's Leslie. She started the doom and gloom. She's saying she sounded more sincere than Jerry even though, technically, our numbers grow tighter today than they were yesterday. And continue to do so every day. Jerry sounds frustrated in his role play, and like his role play, feels like the easy scapegoat.

I'm placing my vote on Leslie.

This feels suspiciously similar to Chris' Jamm vote. Both did Jerry a big favor.

Donna is now definitely on my radar.

[nutellaphant]

And it looks like the swing vote's going to be...Tom Haverford.

Terrific.

[1337]

I'm also voting Jerry for now, because the Knope tally has too many stinkeroos on it (Donna, Jay-Roro, Je-Rryrry), according to my log.

The fact that the vote is this close (or tied), as opposed to there being a lead of sorts, should tell us that the mafia's two votes are cautious and we are close to scum area with these choices.

Unless this is civ-civ, in which case it's a total disaster. Chris voting south on Day 2, when the situation was identical, makes me doubt this.

[Akemi Homura]

Ron, we've been friends a long time and you know I respect you, but you're making a mistake. The reasons people are giving for suspecting me are not indications of mafia. I'm not making good enough cases or defending myself well enough? Why would I be so passive if I were in an outnumbered mafia team? I get that this is WIFOM but it's equally WIFOM to say I must be bad because I'm not being super analytical and proactive.

I've ben operating out of gut reads this game, because I don't have the time or inclination to do detailed analysis. Probably why I'm so inept at the office filing system too. I was right about Chris, wrong about others. Ben asked me for an honest explanation for my behavior. I gave it, and he ignored it, choosing to leave his vote on me. Leslie claims I could convince her to move her vote, but that's an obvious lie, since we are tied right now. She would never move her vote off me and secure her own death.

You want a case? There's my case.

Like I've said and demonstrated before, my votes aren't set in stone. Give me one legitimate reason why I shouldn't vote for you.

That's a lie. Her vote is set in stone as long as she's about to be lynched. The only reason for her to pretend to be willing to change it is to trick people into thinking she is more reasonable than she is.

[1337]

Hunt approach number 2

Let us filter the candidates for mentions and/or attitudes towards Chris.

Andrew

Responded with an image of himself to one of Chris's posts that did not even involve or invoke him.
Dropped a comment (unlinked to any conversation, it seems) that he is unsure about Chris, though he enjoys his roleplay.
Next mention is on Day Three, good Lord! Says he'll read on Chris.
Barks at Leslie for voting Chris in an instant, after my published (hopefully Socky award winning come this spring) case on him.
Agrees with my entire case on him, adds him in his top three.
Asks Jerry for thoughts on more people than just Chris.
Replies to Chris in person (for the first time since the game began), just to point out to him that he's been charged for more than just heavy roleplaying.

This is content to frown at. There is enough distance here to fit in a herd of buffalos. The only line that feels flask is the last one - as in, why would Andrew bother to point that out to Chris, if they'd have chat to try to craft Chris's rebuttals carefully.

Let it be on the record that I'm frowning at Andrew for this content. *frowns* I told you to talk more about others, son.



Chimes in on me and Chris discussing April's claim.
Dismisses Andrew's idea that he is suspecting people for roleplay, giving the example that Chris, among others, would then be one of his targets.
Beginning of Day 3, sees validity in the Chris suspicion.
Chris vote pile-up gives him pause.
Asks Chris for legacy votes.

...
Ok what the ***!!! I didn't sense this, but you also didn't address anything on Chris for two days?!
This is beyond deplorable. *frowns*



Newport

Only started breathing on Day three, Chris was immediately one of his suspects. The quote he chose, though, dates back to Chris talking about Bill on Day 1.

Sketchy momentum to include Chris in his susspool, but that D1 reference makes me think he's alone and had no idea what to grasp or (or, rather, tried to start from scratch in commenting on some people). Why would off-the-radar mafia not attempt to make himself useful, on the issues that are most pressing?



Donna

Nothing on Chris until Day 2, when she places him "middle of pack" while dropping a line on everyone. Also mistakes Chris with Andrew.
When asked (by me), develops more about him: blendy, posts a lot, roleplays well, but doesn't remember what he's saying.
Day 3, profile deepens: finds Chris "frantic and scattered" in defending himself.
Votes Chris "to not delay things further".

I recall talking yesterday about how Donna took her sweet time to say something relevant about Chris. And how, when (even if in jest) asked to get people talking about Chris, she changed the subject to vote Jamm. This part is displeasing.
I recall saying that Donna's votes were the same as Chris's, except the day he got lynched and she was on the committee. This part is worrying.
Donna's read on Chris on his lynch's day appears more serious in tone, but could also be comfortable writing. This part is ambiguous.

I find Donna's read on razor thin edge between civilian who couldn't be bothered to address Chris until it got real and mafia who might have tried to plant comments that looks useful and at the same time not spark any thoughts on the guy.



John-Poopio

Day 2 answers Chris's call for activity. Also considers Chris's confusing, but delightful in roletalk.
Day 3, what do you know, Chris suddenly "reeks of drama".

No surprises here, there is nothing assuring here. *frowns*



Jerry

Straight out of the woodwork, has Chris (and Ben) as suspect for lore and trying hard syndrome.
Day 2, simply reiterates his previous read.
Rebuttal to Chris's criticism about trying to shoot down the "Craig was spotted" night kill theory.
Day 3, trigger happy to vote Chris, calls him "phony".

Chris - Jerry interaction about that Craig kill stuff is interesting, but it still falls well into the antagonism / distancing possibility. Like everything Jerry has written on the subject can feel like.



Tom - nothing; god bless this man

Conclusions:

1) This is worse than the vote analysis, across the board.

2) You're all awful, but only two of you are bad. I. Told. You. To. Talk. About. Chris.

3) Between the top suspects, Jerry and Leslie, she would be more in the "I completely forgot to talk about my teammate until pressured" scenario, while Jerry would be in clear "I am distancing from this brosky with the power of ten oxen" scenario. So which one would make more sense?

[November]

hm
tbh leslie