GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[LoRab]

So, what's my motivation to tell you more opinions exactly?

My empire of dirt

You could have it all

Wow. You, uh, make it sound so compelling.

But, still...I don't really have any suspects. I don't really want to point out who I think is civ. I still need to read back on who was suspecting INH to see who in that pool seems suspish.

But that dirt....tell me more.

[Golden]

But that dirt....tell me more.

I wear this crown of shit...

[triceratopzeuhl]

rip vomps (if you were good)

[Epignosis]

So, what's my motivation to tell you more opinions exactly?

My empire of dirt

You could have it all

Wow. You, uh, make it sound so compelling.

But, still...I don't really have any suspects. I don't really want to point out who I think is civ. I still need to read back on who was suspecting INH to see who in that pool seems suspish.

But that dirt....tell me more.

Are You For Real?

[Tangrowth]

Wow, weird kill. RIP Vomps.

I'll be back sometime tomorrow.

[Dom]

go through each of epi's posts and show me the useless ones.

At the time I voted for him, this was 100% of his posts:

Spoiler: show

All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs

We Are Closing on the Mint House on the Cul-de-Sac in December

POE is Rolling Around in His Grave (Which is in Baltimore, 515 W Fayette Street, in Case You Wanted to Go There)

Townie is Such a Pussy Word

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

This is Boring, but at Least The Children Are Asleep

Some People Just Like Big Numbers Under Their Names

This is Not a Rainbow; It is Green Snot and Gray Snot

LoRab is Not a Cold Dead Person

Jesus Christ, Six Pages

This Includes Content

It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.

The third one could potentially be interpreted as him saying he doesn't like MP's POE strategy, and the last one is saying he thinks BWT is good. The rest? compost

OK
But that isn't his current posting. Why are you still deeming him useless?

Would you believe me if I told you all the INH voters are bad?

I would not k.

What makes you think that?

Why else would they have voted for a civilian?

In hindsight, I still think he was the best choice for a Day 1 vote. Nobody else convinced me otherwise, but Scotty came close for me.

I think I would have liked to leave my vote on bwt.

Care to elaborate?


MP PLEASE ANSWER TO THE FOLLOWING

I don't trust several people on this lynch and I don't think Inh will flip bad.

And JJJ: I'm sorry you hate that post.

I still stand by my first post of this game

You're bad.

Alex posted this before Day One ended, but still voted INH even though Rob gave him reason not to.

I find that suspicious.
His last post on me:

Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

Spoiler: show

What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too. His last post on me:

Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

Spoiler: show

What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too.

Elaboration and justification for both would be nice.

so who are the good guys and who are the bad guys

MetalMarsh is a bad guy, Epignosis is a good guy.

I agree with this.

MP, I am quoting this so you don't forget to respond to it, but i am also realizing it's a shit fest of a post.

[A Person]

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

[Marmot]

Question for the masses.

I make arbitrary and nonsensical votes, and nobody gives a shit.

I catch something I find suspicious and vote based on that, and people do give a shit.

For those of you whose read of me matches up with these statements, why is it so? I don't understand.

I think because the first few votes from you were arbitrary and nonsensical. Whenever someone changes their vote that often on Day 1, it always pings me really hard.

Doesn't mean I think you're bad, but it will make me put an eye on you.

Looking back, I remember now that you did give a shit before.

I don't know how much everyone else changed their votes. But I'm sure I was one of the few to consistently state my vote changes in thread.

It's also a way of generating content (even if I haven't had any time to observe it), and one of the reasons I prefer changeable votes to unchangeable.

Well given it is for Day 1, I can understand that. Especially if you're having a hard time catching up.

Still don't feel great about you, but we have another full day period for you to change my mind.

Also, RIPIYWG Voopy!

I'm here to do my thing, not change your mind.

[Dom]

mm-- who's got your eye at the moment?

[Marmot]

mm-- who's got your eye at the moment?

From what I've read, still timmer and Boomslang.

I won't get a chance to pursue further until tomorrow evening.

[timmer]

Hey all, I'm heading to bed and will be traveling all of tomorrow and the morning after. I'll try, once we're settled and on wifi, to do a single big read of the day and vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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[JaggedJimmyJay]

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[Marmot]

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HOPE!

[DrWilgy]

Who would kill Vomps?

A day of mourning is required ;__;

#lynchepi is still a thing.

[triceratopzeuhl]

JJJ are you insanified or something?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ are you insanified or something?

PJPPFHNUFKJFCTDOXUOYBYG

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What??! How is "well there ya go" in any way "I told you guys"? How is that bragging about it? Show me where I bragged about you all being wrong.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth and manipulating this away from you and the other INH voters so you don't have to take responsibility for your votes. Yes, civs make the wrong votes all the time. Of course they do. But I already feel like you, JJJ, Sloonei and Mp have all come after me on day 1 for bullsuit reasons and I find it manipulative. Couple that with the fact that I don't trust you guys, makes me think at least 1 or a couple of you might be bad. Just because I haven't had a tennis match where I've spewed 5028 posts in the matter of 24 hours doesn't mean I can't make reads off of votes.

I didn't know INH was gonna flip good, but I definitely didn't think he would flip bad. So get off your high horse, golden.

Love, Scotty

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[triceratopzeuhl]

I'll take that as a yes

[Scotty]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

[Marmot]

I'ma voting timmer for now.

Vote timmer!

[Epignosis]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

"Swedish." "Few."

Also, I want Epi to post exclusively in Icelandic on Day 2 please and thank you.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Rob channelling famous Scandinavian post rock band "ABBA"

[LoRab]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

Ima take that as forced vote.

And It was Icelandic--in response to an earlier joke with I can't remember who. I originally thought it was a response to Vomp's death, but Google Translate told me the language, so I checked back. Also, only 1 post. So, not likely insanified.

Who is the third?

[Golden]

What have I become?

[Scotty]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

Ima take that as forced vote.

And It was Icelandic--in response to an earlier joke with I can't remember who. I originally thought it was a response to Vomp's death, but Google Translate told me the language, so I checked back. Also, only 1 post. So, not likely insanified.

Who is the third?

Are you actually serious though?

[Scotty]

Rob channelling famous Scandinavian post rock band "ABBA"

Oh mamma mia

[LoRab]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

Ima take that as forced vote.

And It was Icelandic--in response to an earlier joke with I can't remember who. I originally thought it was a response to Vomp's death, but Google Translate told me the language, so I checked back. Also, only 1 post. So, not likely insanified.

Who is the third?

Are you actually serious though?

Perhaps oblivious, but I blame having a cold.

And yes, I really am serious about Icelandic. And about my seriously doubting that 1 post was an insanification.

[Scotty]

What have I become?

This can be managed. From now on, let's form a cypher from the Loren obtuse passages.

If you mean yes, or good, (or agree) post "my sweetest friend"
If you mean no, or bad, (or disagree) post "I will let you down"
If you mean knitting, post "the needle tears a hole"

That sound good? Would it help if I post a list of people and you give GTH reads? I'm not sure of the best way to go about this but I feel it's something

[Scotty]

How many damned insaifiers we got in this game? If you count Epi's weird Swedish message he's done a few times, that's 3.

Too many secrets for my liking.

Also, I'm voting LoRab.

I know she hasn't been on my radar at all and I definitely haven't been talking about her, but I took a step back and want it to be known that I'm voting her.

LoRab

Ima take that as forced vote.

And It was Icelandic--in response to an earlier joke with I can't remember who. I originally thought it was a response to Vomp's death, but Google Translate told me the language, so I checked back. Also, only 1 post. So, not likely insanified.

Who is the third?

Are you actually serious though?

Perhaps oblivious, but I blame having a cold.

And yes, I really am serious about Icelandic. And about my seriously doubting that 1 post was an insanification.

[Scotty]

I think that some low posters insanified Golden and JJJ

[Golden]

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real

The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

[Golden]

What have I become?

This can be managed. From now on, let's form a cypher from the Loren obtuse passages.

If you mean yes, or good, (or agree) post "my sweetest friend"
If you mean no, or bad, (or disagree) post "I will let you down"
If you mean knitting, post "the needle tears a hole"

That sound good? Would it help if I post a list of people and you give GTH reads? I'm not sure of the best way to go about this but I feel it's something

My sweetest friend.

[Scotty]

JJJ I don't like that you're voting me early and have no way to say why. It sounds like you disagree with my post concerning you, but I think you're one of the most suspicious on the INH train. You started it, if I recall, and got people persuaded to follow through.

I had some time to think about Mp, and although his activity on day 0-1 was ridiculous compared to even previous games I remember I don't think that is damning.

[Golden]

Would it help if I post a list of people and you give GTH reads?

My sweetest friend

[Scotty]

Here ya go golden:

A Person
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
Dom
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
Nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
simmer
triceratopzeuhl

[Golden]

Civilians (15)

Everyone I know

Mafia (3)

Crown of shit

[LoRab]

I think that some low posters insanified Golden and JJJ

Like I said, sometimes oblivious. Now it's obvious.

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real

The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

I think that's a good guess as to who did it.

Of course, we now have the question of if they are a good insanifier or an evil insanifier. For the sake of balance, if there are 2, I'd venture a guess that there is one of each. Also possible that there's a mimicing role, that happened upon being able to mimic the insanifier.

Also, who hasn't posted yet?

[Golden]

Here ya go golden:

A Person
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
Dom
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
Nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
simmer
triceratopzeuhl

Crown of shit
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
The needle tears a hole
Everyone I know
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Crown of shit
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know

[Scotty]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I think that some low posters insanified Golden and JJJ

Like I said, sometimes oblivious. Now it's obvious.

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real

The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

I think that's a good guess as to who did it.

Of course, we now have the question of if they are a good insanifier or an evil insanifier. For the sake of balance, if there are 2, I'd venture a guess that there is one of each. Also possible that there's a mimicing role, that happened upon being able to mimic the insanifier.

Also, who hasn't posted yet?

I think that's a good guess in terms of duality. I think A Person fits that bill. And even though we already have 27 pages I feel like he is a great person to put a vote on. Just to see if he produces. And if not, then I think he looks ample bad anyway.

[Scotty]

I think Vomps hands good chance to be our other insanifier.

And @LoRab
I don't know who hasn't posted yet today, but there's been a few. Who knows if there are others that may be even more insane.

For now, it's just these two wild and crazy guys (tm)

[A Person]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

[Scotty]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

Speak of him and he shall come!

Uh...

What does this mean? Listen, i agree there's been a lot of talking in here- more than usual- but this is just an odd thing to say. Are you saying we should kill the high posters?

[Golden]

nonsense people spew

The old familiar sting

[Dom]

Rob channelling famous Scandinavian post rock band "ABBA"

Oh mamma mia

that's u


marshy-- why timmer? i don't recall a rebuttal to my logic from earlier?

[Marmot]

@Dom, same reason as before.

My first ping of the day.

Timmer hadn't posted for about 24 hours

Boomslang asks timmer a question.

Timmer posts a mere 10 minutes later.

Unvote whoever I voted (on my phone, can't remember)

Vote Boomslang for now.

And here starts a suspiciion f MM
Why would you vote for boom in this scneario?
Wouldn't you vote for timmer?
Timmer's teammates would ahve had to alert him to the post. It doesn't guarantee boom is one of them. this logic is backwards.

I don't have a rebuttal. I changed my vote accordingly to match your logic (which I agree with).

[LoRab]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

This may be the least civie friendly thinking I've read in mafia. Either you're a civ who is saying that vocal players who are actively discussing the game should be killed (which isn't good for the civ cause) and are telling the mafia to kill active civs. Or you're mafia and doing the same thing. Also, if you're mafia, that was a phenomenally ironic kill.

But, please, can you explain a possible civ justification for this post? Because it's not making sense to me from a civ perspective.

[triceratopzeuhl]

I think that some low posters insanified Golden and JJJ

could be, but why would they not target MP if that was the motivation?

[triceratopzeuhl]

I think that's a good guess as to who did it.

Of course, we now have the question of if they are a good insanifier or an evil insanifier. For the sake of balance, if there are 2, I'd venture a guess that there is one of each. Also possible that there's a mimicing role, that happened upon being able to mimic the insanifier.

Also, who hasn't posted yet?

seems to me insanifier is not typical for town roles, because they aren't going to want to prevent discussion

mimic might be more likely

I don't think baddies will have 2 insanifier roles since there are only 3 of them, but it's possible that the independent does, or that the baddie insanifier role gets to pick 2 targets. Or some kind of secret along the lines of "if you're the target of a night power than somebody else is also affected."

[triceratopzeuhl]

On re-reading roles I don't think Alfothad has an insanify power because it sounds like his only secret is what activates his kill power:

Alfothad will be alerted and start killing when [Secrets]

This probably, but not guaranteed, also means that night 1 kill was from the baddies, so vomps should have been either town or independent/serial killer (odds lean town)