What do you mean by shenanigans?Quin wrote:Confirming shenanigans last night.
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At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.
The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
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I felt like he wasn't hunting at all. His case on the map-makers felt artificial as he boxed himself into a perspective on info. Beyond that, all he did was a case on dizzy that didn't seem great and meant he wasn't on the marmot vote, and literally nothing else. This is in stark contrast to what I am used to seeing from town inh - a guy who gives lots of opinions and isn't afraid to make them and stick on them.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:
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I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.
Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?
I stuck on him because he claimed LMS, which is inherently not town-aligned (although, as it happened, he didn't exactly turn out to be LMS, and it looks like he can still win).
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At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?Quin wrote:At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
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http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.
http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.
I remember nothing of the town game.
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I remember nothing of the town game.
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When I read the second post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?Quin wrote:At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
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Same reason I stuck. I wish he hadn't called himself "LMS", because that literally made him a threat.Golden wrote:I stuck on him because he claimed LMS, which is inherently not town-aligned (although, as it happened, he didn't exactly turn out to be LMS, and it looks like he can still win).
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You voted for Dizzy that day, not Marmot. Why?Quin wrote:When I read the second post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?Quin wrote:At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
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I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
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Don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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It was him or me. I know I'm town. I didn't know his alignment when I voted. I probably would have voted just about anybody to save myself. Maaaaaybe would have held off on Nutella and you.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:
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speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood
I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.
Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?
My reason for suspecting INH and being willing to lynch him aside from saving myself is that he was 95% focused on Dizzy for the entire game. He put forth an unconvincing argument, spent almost all of his time pursing it and then after D2, disappeared completely. His throwing shade at Golden and you (who I both believe are town) on day 1 for the map confusion didn't look great at the time (I've been waffling a bit on who came out better, INH or LC during that discussion) and looked extra bad once you were confirmed by Nut. This all gave the impression of a player who wasn't trying to catch scum and wasn't out to help the town.
As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.
But he wasn't mafia.
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You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.Quin wrote:Don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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I think that's it in a nutshell. Correct behaviour identification, incorrect motive assignment.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.
But he wasn't mafia.
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I still don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.Quin wrote:Don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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Question.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.Quin wrote:Don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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What were the reasons?Quin wrote:Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
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Question.
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
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Sure.Golden wrote:Question.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.Quin wrote:Don't remember.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why didn't you trust her?Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
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Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?
Nut claimed to cop JJJ during the day.
Quin didn't read all of Nut's posts, forgot about them or is lying. Alignment has nothing to do with the first two.
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QuestionQuin wrote:Question.
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Why did you copy my question format?
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We are literally talking about them right now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:What were the reasons?Quin wrote:Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
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Question.Golden wrote:QuestionQuin wrote:Question.
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Why did you copy my question format?
Why did you forget the period at the end of Question?
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I think that answer depends upon the player. If Quin did that, the implication is that he really believed his team was removing a true cop and utilized transparency as a shield in the thread. It's the clever variety of WIFOM that I would associate with strong baddies. I don't believe it would be an accidental slip though, at least not from a veteran.Golden wrote:Question.
Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?
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RWARQuin wrote:We are literally talking about them right now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:What were the reasons?Quin wrote:Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
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You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:Quin wrote:Question.
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.
I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.
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I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.
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PineappleQuin wrote:I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.
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He's explaining right now.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:Quin wrote:Question.
Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.
I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.
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I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
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Where should I move my conversing to? Give me a direction that appeals to me and I might do that. Or I might continue to interrogate you. Depends on my mood.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
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Soneji, I'd love to hear about your worthless Day 3 vote.
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You heard him, guys.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.
Just leave him alone already, okay?
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Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.
http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.
I remember nothing of the town game.
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Are we gonna get vote tallies?
I've lost track of where our train has been and don't want a repeat of yesterday.
I've lost track of where our train has been and don't want a repeat of yesterday.
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Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:You heard him, guys.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.
Just leave him alone already, okay?
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I'm pretty proud of that scum game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.
http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.
I remember nothing of the town game.
Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
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Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
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Please justify this. The only controversial thing pointed out is that I don't remember why I didn't trust nutella. Why exactly is that scum behaviour?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:You heard him, guys.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.
Just leave him alone already, okay?
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First reaction:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
If you don't think this is thourou enough, whatever. Bed call..s
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It'll do for now, thanks.speedchuck wrote:First reaction:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
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Do tell.Quin wrote:Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:You heard him, guys.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.
Just leave him alone already, okay?
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
I'd rather not.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Do tell.Quin wrote:Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:You heard him, guys.Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.
Just leave him alone already, okay?
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Night 3 - Fallen Angel
And I thought INH's avatar was bad.speedchuck wrote:I'm pretty proud of that scum game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.
http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.
I remember nothing of the town game.
Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Brb. Having a seizure.
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'
I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.
I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'
I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
RIP nutella, thanks for playing a hell of a game.
I've only skimmed the EoD events from yesterday so I'm not too sure what happened, but the results could have heen worse. I'll get caught up and say things tomorrow.
How are we all feeling about JOH today? Did he convince everyone not to lynch him, or did INH make himself too lynchable to miss?
I've only skimmed the EoD events from yesterday so I'm not too sure what happened, but the results could have heen worse. I'll get caught up and say things tomorrow.
How are we all feeling about JOH today? Did he convince everyone not to lynch him, or did INH make himself too lynchable to miss?
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
Please tell me your own read, based on whatever content you have read, before others answer your prod.Sloonei wrote:How are we all feeling about JOH today?
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Re: Phenon Mafia: Day 4 - Too Slow
Quin wrote:Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'
I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.