The Search for Quin [END]

[DrWilgy]

Hi everyone. Im Quin now.

Sup bud?

Why are you voting Western Australia?

Not much.

Sleepy.

It's because that's where I'm at!

[Long Con]

As of now, you are getting my Day 1 vote, Long Con. Saying I am "usually" trying too hard when I'm bad show you don't know what I am like when I'm bad at all. You are making things up. Like you usually do when YOU are bad.

[nutella]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I told you guys Quin was bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ofc Quin is in Queensland.

I mean.

The pun.

[Long Con]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

[Epignosis]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

You mean to say I'm...nervous?

[speedchuck]

This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

Isn't it though!?
I'm not even under pressure and I'm still finding it impossible to see your posts in a joking light.

It wasn't a joke. If you were egging on Epi to get a reaction, which I could have bought, you wouldn't be backpedaling so ridiculously hard right now.

[Sloonei]

Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that.

So I'm normally a lazy civilian?

Sorry, not falling for that.

What were you afraid to fall for here, LC?

[Long Con]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

You mean to say I'm...nervous?

You said it, not me.

This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

Isn't it though!?
I'm not even under pressure and I'm still finding it impossible to see your posts in a joking light.

It wasn't a joke. If you were egging on Epi to get a reaction, which I could have bought, you wouldn't be backpedaling so ridiculously hard right now.

1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.

2. I don't think you understand what backpedalling is.

3. Whether or not I was looking for a reaction, I got one. I could discuss it, or not discuss it. You would prefer I not discuss it?

Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that.

So I'm normally a lazy civilian?

Sorry, not falling for that.

What were you afraid to fall for here, LC?

Afraid?

[Sloonei]

What were you unwilling to fall for?

[speedchuck]

1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.

2. I don't think you understand what backpedalling is.

3. Whether or not I was looking for a reaction, I got one. I could discuss it, or not discuss it. You would prefer I not discuss it?

1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.

2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.

3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?

[Long Con]

What were you unwilling to fall for?

Some sort of labour-intensive Epi-history-search to prove exactly how he acts as a Civ or a baddie.

1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.

2. I don't think you understand what backpedalling is.

3. Whether or not I was looking for a reaction, I got one. I could discuss it, or not discuss it. You would prefer I not discuss it?

1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.

2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.

3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?

1. Well, I was there, I was me, it's Night 0, my first post, and I am quite sure I was joking around.

2. Don't know about "doubling down", but from my perspective there was no backpedalling of any sort. I made a joke, Epi freaked out, I observed that. I don't see how there's room for a backpedalling accusation in there. It's not about being anal, it's about there being no backpedalling in the situation.

3. You gave negative feedback when I was calling out Epi. Like I was doing something wrong ("backpedalling").

[Sloonei]

I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

[Sloonei]

What were you unwilling to fall for?

Some sort of labour-intensive Epi-history-search to prove exactly how he acts as a Civ or a baddie.

This I believe.

[Epignosis]

I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

My impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.

That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.

Not sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.

So you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?

Yes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.

[speedchuck]

3. You gave negative feedback when I was calling out Epi. Like I was doing something wrong ("backpedalling").

I'm not giving feedback. I'm scumhunting by providing my perspective. That doesn't mean I want you to stop. Activity is good. Heck, scummy activity is good. It's helpful for finding scum.

But RN you're just telling me what you 'did' and the proof you're providing is "I was there, I knew what I did."
Which, y'know, if I was going to take your information/words at face value, I would have accepted your "I was joking" thing in the first place.

[Tangrowth]

I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.

I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?

I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.

Why would you suspect me for that?

[Tangrowth]

Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that.

What gave you the impression that he's trying too hard?

[Tangrowth]

"Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that. "

The issue I take with this is that this is untrue, especially lately. When I have been bad lately, I have been lazy as hell.

I want LC to substantiate his claims against me, since he thinks he knows me so well.

And now Epi's a town read.

[Tangrowth]

Kay just ignore me.

Hi Wilgy! I won't ignore you.

[Tangrowth]

I want to hear opinions on me and Long Con. Go.

You're a town read, LC is... god only knows, don't have a read on him yet. I guess town if it was GTH.

[Tangrowth]

1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.

2. I don't think you understand what backpedalling is.

3. Whether or not I was looking for a reaction, I got one. I could discuss it, or not discuss it. You would prefer I not discuss it?

1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.

2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.

3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?

speedchuck is also a town read.

[Epignosis]

I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.

I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?

I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.

Why would you suspect me for that?

I think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.

[Tangrowth]

I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

I think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.

He could be lying, but I tentatively don't see any reason for why anyone would lie about this, especially since games with Day 0 polls accompanied by information have completely fallen out of style for a few years now.

[Tangrowth]

I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

My impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.

That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.

Not sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.

So you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?

Yes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.

I read it as "figured I might as well say something" now, as in he figured he might as well say something re: information right off the bat rather than wait.

Perhaps you're right though. I suppose I wouldn't put it past BWT to lie about this for shits, but I'd hope that's not the case.

[Tangrowth]

I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.

I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?

I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.

Why would you suspect me for that?

I think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.

You're not the only one, apparently.

I like to keep the atmosphere friendly, especially to start the game, so sue me. It's something I strive to do regardless of alignment because I love our community, am genuinely excited to play with you all, and because these games get tense and I feel it's important to keep town motivated and positive. I've seen so many games go sour because town loses motivation and blows the game. Furthermore, I'm excited to play especially so since I've taken a long break this year and it's great seeing other players return from a long absence (BWT, sanmateo) or play for the first time ever (NewTraditionalist).

You of all people know that I'll get into the aggression zone when I feel it's warranted. I just think it's important to remember we're all friends here first and foremost before I go off pursuing something that triggers my siren and proceed to ripping someone a new one.

[birdwithteeth11]

Since I was asked...

Epig strikes me as good for now. Only thing that makes me wonder is how he suspects MP for his large amounts of posting (which is pretty normal for him last time I checked), but then says his "friendliness always strikes me as false".

LC is....god knows what. I've given up on early reads on him.

As for my initial post, I'd rather get that kind of information out in the open early on and let people decide what they want to do with it. Some will believe me and some won't for sure. But it also helps start to generate some initial discussion when there is nothing to go off of.

[Long Con]

I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

I think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.

He could be lying, but I tentatively don't see any reason for why anyone would lie about this, especially since games with Day 0 polls accompanied by information have completely fallen out of style for a few years now.

I still like to include some sort of informationally meaningful Day 0 poll. My favourite was the Erlatz Eleven - 11 voters on one choice, and it was known that one of them got recruited to a bad team. Fun!

[Sloonei]

Since I was asked...

Epig strikes me as good for now. Only thing that makes me wonder is how he suspects MP for his large amounts of posting (which is pretty normal for him last time I checked), but then says his "friendliness always strikes me as false".

LC is....god knows what. I've given up on early reads on him.

As for my initial post, I'd rather get that kind of information out in the open early on and let people decide what they want to do with it. Some will believe me and some won't for sure. But it also helps start to generate some initial discussion when there is nothing to go off of.

Were you telling the truth?

[Sloonei]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

If any post produces suspicion against Long Con, it's this one. I agree with Speedchuck that there is an impression of backtracking here in his "I was joking" stance. It may be the case that he was just playfully poking at Epi initially, but the way this post is constructed gives me the impression that he is seizing on the existing backlash against Epi's response to turn it willfully into a bandwagon.

[sanmateo]

so is this night 0 voting thing real or just some weird thing yall do

[speedchuck]

so is this night 0 voting thing real or just some weird thing yall do

It's a thing. Might have some effect on the game.

[sanmateo]

yeah, just read the mp07 post about that

my first impulse was voting for queensland and wait and see whether birdwithteeth's claim was real or not, but from what i can gather there's no real information tha'll be revealed from the result of the vote.

[sanmateo]

eh, i'm voting queensland anyways. statistically they're more likely to be town than not

[Serge]

Jist checking in. Now resuming on something else.

[speedchuck]

BTW, it's nice to meet you sanmateo, Serge, and bwt. Haven't played with you fellers before.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

I don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look back without engaging him yourself.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

bad*

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Epi going after MP early is giving me dejavu.

[Long Con]

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

If any post produces suspicion against Long Con, it's this one. I agree with Speedchuck that there is an impression of backtracking here in his "I was joking" stance. It may be the case that he was just playfully poking at Epi initially, but the way this post is constructed gives me the impression that he is seizing on the existing backlash against Epi's response to turn it willfully into a bandwagon.

"Seizing on the existing backlash"?

As far as I know, I was the only existing backlash.

Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"

I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!

I don't like the tone of this post. Sounds like you are trying to make him look bad without engaging him yourself.

I'm supposed to want to engage Epi? What good will that do?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Night 0

Quin Search: Where is Quin?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:23 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.


New South Wales
1
9%
Voters: Epignosis
Queensland
7
64%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Sloonei, Long Con, birdwithteeth11, nutella, MovingPictures07, sanmateo
Western Australia
2
18%
Voters: speedchuck, DrWilgy
Host/non button
1
9%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay
Total votes: 11

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 1

Australia's most dedicated investigators are on the case. Quin is on the loose, and it will take a coordinated national effort to track him down. The top minds came together at the newly established Headquarters of the Quin Search in Sunshine Coast. The discussion was heated from the start, passions elevated by the terribly indecent nature of their quarry and the necessity to determine his location immediately. Much time was wasted however when presenters promoted numerous leads in Queensland. They'd seemed promising at first, but it quickly became evident that there was nothing there. Eventually the team found their start in New South Wales.

It is Day 1. This phase will last 48 hours.

[Epignosis]

"Stop and ask for directions, bwt."

"Don't need 'em. I have the GPS."

[Sloonei]

Pile votes on Long Con, let's go.

[speedchuck]

Pile votes on Long Con, let's go.

Should I though? Should I really?

[Long Con]

That would be a mistake.

[Sloonei]

Gotta break a few eggs to catch quin

[Long Con]

Well, break a different one.

[Sloonei]

Which egg do you suggest breaking?