Pirate Mafia [END GAME]

[DrWilgy]

Also I'm voting for @DrWilgy come out and talk.

[Tangrowth]

early consensuses dampen discussions

This is why changeable votes are vastly superior to nonchangeable.

[Tangrowth]

discussion of no lynching is a great way to bring early content into the thread though.

also puts LC in a good light for me.

Walk me through the logic; I’m not getting it.

[Tangrowth]

I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Aren’t you always wary of me?

Seriously though, if you have something I can address, just let me know. Otherwise I’m just going to do my thing over here and hopefully you can detect my town spark.

[Tangrowth]

LC thanks for the response. Can you elaborate on your scumdar scale — does 5 mean null read or no?

[DrWilgy]

Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

I think the fact that sig came into the thread and threw this out there makes him look good — even if it would have been a more ideal strategy for him to wait and see who does this and use it as the basis for scumhunting. Specifically, I would say this kind of blatant speculation is more typical of early town behavior than not.

Putting a pressure vote on LC because I need him to elaborate ASAP.

I don't know some of you very well yet so I want to ask a question. Please respond without complaint:

What breed of dog would you most liken your gameplay to?

Actually scratch that I'd be one of those little yuppie dogs that follow people around biting at their heels and making way to much noise.

1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

Maybe you were waiting for sig to reply.

Maybe it was a rhetoric.

Maybe you were thinking out loud.

Maybe you had to go take a shit.

Maybe you went to sleep.

Maybe you went fishing.

All options possible.

I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Ugh, you're trying too hard. This reeks of trying to look good. Scumdar10 reading: 6.5

[DrWilgy]

discussion of no lynching is a great way to bring early content into the thread though.

also puts LC in a good light for me.

Walk me through the logic; I’m not getting it.

[Tangrowth]

Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

Hey bud!

I also felt my previous response to your request for people to evaluate self-meta was weak, so I’m going to do that a bit to address your request better and because I feel it is relevant.

I’m generally much more cautious at the start and only comfortable with developing town reads this early, and despite some poking I still feel that is the case so far. I prefer to work in POE and poke at whatever I find questionable, then if the poked player’s response doesn’t compute or seem sincere, then I have a tendency to go into hardcore MP mode and I try to avoid tunneling and dogpee mode but inevitably it always happens lol.

Regarding my reads, I’m feeling town on sig and you because I feel at various points your lines of questioning and statements have been indicative of a genuine town perspective. Not sure about anyone else yet.

What are your reads so far?

[Tangrowth]

You willing to elaborate on any of that, Wilgy?

[DrWilgy]

Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

Hey bud!

I also felt my previous response to your request for people to evaluate self-meta was weak, so I’m going to do that a bit to address your request better and because I feel it is relevant.

I’m generally much more cautious at the start and only comfortable with developing town reads this early, and despite some poking I still feel that is the case so far. I prefer to work in POE and poke at whatever I find questionable, then if the poked player’s response doesn’t compute or seem sincere, then I have a tendency to go into hardcore MP mode and I try to avoid tunneling and dogpee mode but inevitably it always happens lol.

Regarding my reads, I’m feeling town on sig and you because I feel at various points your lines of questioning and statements have been indicative of a genuine town perspective. Not sure about anyone else yet.

What are your reads so far?

[Tangrowth]

I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

[sig]

I hadn’t mentioned it yesterday because 1) I wasn’t around (specifically, game night with Daisy, DF, NT, and SIWF — and I won’t be a major force this game despite really wanting to because my dissertation proposal is Friday and I have company coming Thursday)

"won't be a major force in the game" Makes 12 posts in a row.

I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Aren’t you always wary of me?

Seriously though, if you have something I can address, just let me know. Otherwise I’m just going to do my thing over here and hopefully you can detect my town spark.

This is very true, I think it comes from WHEN YOU KILLED ME AS MAFIA AND WE WERE IN A CHAT Or maybe not.

Either way from a game perspective you seem townie, but from a gut read you're pingy.

Otherwise I don't have much else to add, LC seems to be putting in some reads, I don't see why he thinks DDL is mafia though. I do see what he's saying about speed, but at the same time there isn't much content to discuss and he was contributing so I'd like LC to elaborate on his Speed read a bit. So I'm fairy neutral on everyone at the moment and would like to see more players post.

[DrWilgy]

I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

[Tangrowth]

FWIW, I disagree with the speedchuck suspicion, LC. I don’t have a compelling reason to townread him, but “trying too hard” is a nonsense accusation that has been hurled at me and other players with too often inaccuracy and nefarious intention for me to ever agree with it.

I don’t have any read on DDL. I’m afraid I don’t s we what you’re getting at there either.

[Tangrowth]

That should say don’t see. Bear with me folks, I’m on phone.

[DrWilgy]

That should say don’t see. Bear with me folks, I’m on phone.

[Tangrowth]

I hadn’t mentioned it yesterday because 1) I wasn’t around (specifically, game night with Daisy, DF, NT, and SIWF — and I won’t be a major force this game despite really wanting to because my dissertation proposal is Friday and I have company coming Thursday)

"won't be a major force in the game" Makes 12 posts in a row.

I disagree that it makes LC look good it's a ping. I'm also wary of MP, but that's mainly a gut thing.

Aren’t you always wary of me?

Seriously though, if you have something I can address, just let me know. Otherwise I’m just going to do my thing over here and hopefully you can detect my town spark.

This is very true, I think it comes from WHEN YOU KILLED ME AS MAFIA AND WE WERE IN A CHAT Or maybe not.

Either way from a game perspective you seem townie, but from a gut read you're pingy.

Otherwise I don't have much else to add, LC seems to be putting in some reads, I don't see why he thinks DDL is mafia though. I do see what he's saying about speed, but at the same time there isn't much content to discuss and he was contributing so I'd like LC to elaborate on his Speed read a bit. So I'm fairy neutral on everyone at the moment and would like to see more players post.

What inspires your gut read?

Thanks for elaborating otherwise. I agree that the thread isn’t particularly illuminating or brimming with content quite yet but reads need to be made even with sparse content. I am feeling lost somewhat as well. What is it you see in the speedchuck thing?

[Tangrowth]

WOAH that quote pyramid is messed.

[Long Con]

LC thanks for the response. Can you elaborate on your scumdar scale — does 5 mean null read or no?

No, it's 0 to 10, 10 being the most suspicious.

[Tangrowth]

I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

And? Come on man, please give me and the thread something. I have no idea why you’re seemingly agreeing or disagreeing with things.

[Tangrowth]

LC thanks for the response. Can you elaborate on your scumdar scale — does 5 mean null read or no?

No, it's 0 to 10, 10 being the most suspicious.

Oh okay, so no townread stuff there. Cool thanks.

[DrWilgy]

I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

And? Come on man, please give me and the thread something. I have no idea why you’re seemingly agreeing or disagreeing with things.

[Tangrowth]

I don’t get it.

[Tangrowth]

WTF Wilgy, what’s with the vote?

[Tangrowth]

Speedchuck, perhaps I missed it, but what’s with your dunya vote?

[sig]

I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

[mention]Long Con[/mention] What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?

[Tangrowth]

Okay, well unfortunately I am out for the night, and tomorrow I’ll be pretty busy with work, a concert, and prepping for company. I’ll see what I can do though.

I don’t know what Wilgy is doing but I presume he’s trying to use emoticons to communicate solely for whatever crazy reason he does these things, and I’m honestly miffed that he hasn’t elaborated further but I hesitate to say it’s nefarious. I think he’s throwing out reads so it’s something. It’d be nice if he could say more but I find difficulty seeing his current behavior as scummy, just vague and mildly infuriating. I also know he tends to gut read me as scum when’s he’s town nearly every damn game (like sig and Dom), so his vote on me actually makes me think he’s ok GTH.

My town reads are Kyle, Wilgy, and sig. I am tentatively leaning town on dunya and speedchuck but can’t sort either of them yet. Everyone else is a ?.

I guess I’ll move my vote to Daisy now. I need to hear what she’s thinking.

Good night folks. Generate that awesome content, keep it up.

Linki with sig, thanks for responding. Care to elaborate why you are against fake claims?

[Kylemii]

Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

Hey bud!

I also felt my previous response to your request for people to evaluate self-meta was weak, so I’m going to do that a bit to address your request better and because I feel it is relevant.

I’m generally much more cautious at the start and only comfortable with developing town reads this early, and despite some poking I still feel that is the case so far. I prefer to work in POE and poke at whatever I find questionable, then if the poked player’s response doesn’t compute or seem sincere, then I have a tendency to go into hardcore MP mode and I try to avoid tunneling and dogpee mode but inevitably it always happens lol.

Regarding my reads, I’m feeling town on sig and you because I feel at various points your lines of questioning and statements have been indicative of a genuine town perspective. Not sure about anyone else yet.

What are your reads so far?

I am still in the process of poking and prodding, I don't have any strong feelings of "good or bad" from anyone but i'm at least getting to have a better understanding about the shape of this play field.

If I had to say "I feel good" about any one player I'd probably say Speedchuck because he seems authentic to me, and his outline of the pros and cons of no lynch day 1 which was useful to me as I'd never seen that option in a game before. He also was acting really close to the way he described himself as a dog which is something that's much harder to do when you're playing as a baddie compared to as a civvie.

There are a few players who haven't spoken much yet that I'd like to hear from still, and a bunch of people haven't talked about their meta-dogs which is a huge disappointment.

What is POE?

[Kylemii]

civvie and baddie aren't the popular slang anymore are they?

[Quin]

I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

@Long Con What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?

I'm going to claim cop tomorrow just to spite you.

[Quin]

btw im engrossed in final fantasy xiv these days so rip me a new one in thread if i suddenly drop off the face of the earth.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sure, but wow that's really compassionate of you, very understanding, yet so casual. I almost expect *yawn* at the end of that, for good effect. Maybe there's a reason you know I'm town, if you get my drift. Scumdar10 rating: 7.8

Sorry, but I've seen this trick one million times. It's a Syndicate classic. You do something that is obviously stupid so you can gather reactions. Folks like Marmot mastered this art ages ago.

Besides I'm not even sure if you're town, I think it would be easy if you were scum to do the same thing to look like town. It's not like the thread is likely to stay silent if you don't save it from inactivity. Someone else would.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!



Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do wiht the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Quoting a bunch of posts and replying to them is different from making a long analysis of game mechanics.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also since you missed, let me add it.

YAAAAAAAAAAWN

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

Hey bud!

I also felt my previous response to your request for people to evaluate self-meta was weak, so I’m going to do that a bit to address your request better and because I feel it is relevant.

I’m generally much more cautious at the start and only comfortable with developing town reads this early, and despite some poking I still feel that is the case so far. I prefer to work in POE and poke at whatever I find questionable, then if the poked player’s response doesn’t compute or seem sincere, then I have a tendency to go into hardcore MP mode and I try to avoid tunneling and dogpee mode but inevitably it always happens lol.

Regarding my reads, I’m feeling town on sig and you because I feel at various points your lines of questioning and statements have been indicative of a genuine town perspective. Not sure about anyone else yet.

What are your reads so far?

This is a long post but I noticed it's missing some baddie reads. Do you have any?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

@Long Con What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?

I won't say I necessarily agree or disagree with it but I certainly don't like you asking the cop to claim.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Btw, can anyone explain me the matrix format of the roles that is in the first post? The host picked a random row? Or a random column?

I tried to look for that mafia champions scrimmage we had since I recall it using a similar system but I couldn't find it anywhere in the museum.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

civvie and baddie aren't the popular slang anymore are they?

They are.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Voting Sig.

[Quin]

Btw, can anyone explain me the matrix format of the roles that is in the first post? The host picked a random row? Or a random column?

I tried to look for that mafia champions scrimmage we had since I recall it using a similar system but I couldn't find it anywhere in the museum.

If I remember right, it's based off of the sock games that MP hosts. The most recent one was Seinfeld.

All of the numbers and letters refer to a set of 3 power roles and x number of vanilla civilians (x being however many people are leftover after giving out power roles - in this case, 9). The roles that are in this game are decided ?randomly? between A, B, C, D, 1, 2, 3 and 4. For example, in this game with 12 players, if Sloonei is using the '3' roster, the power roles in this game are a 1-shot ninja, a town watcher, a town jailkeeper, and 9 vanilla civilians.

As an aside, if we get a power role flip, we can use PoE to figure out what the rest of the power roles are. This'll be easier depending on whether all roles flip or not though.

[Long Con]

civvie and baddie aren't the popular slang anymore are they?

I use them still, and I also use "town" and "mafia" in respect to those from other, more standard-type sites.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Btw, can anyone explain me the matrix format of the roles that is in the first post? The host picked a random row? Or a random column?

I tried to look for that mafia champions scrimmage we had since I recall it using a similar system but I couldn't find it anywhere in the museum.

If I remember right, it's based off of the sock games that MP hosts. The most recent one was Seinfeld.

All of the numbers and letters refer to a set of 3 power roles and x number of vanilla civilians (x being however many people are leftover after giving out power roles - in this case, 9). The roles that are in this game are decided ?randomly? between A, B, C, D, 1, 2, 3 and 4. For example, in this game with 12 players, if Sloonei is using the '3' roster, the power roles in this game are a 1-shot ninja, a town watcher, a town jailkeeper, and 9 vanilla civilians.

As an aside, if we get a power role flip, we can use PoE to figure out what the rest of the power roles are. This'll be easier depending on whether all roles flip or not though.

Ok so you can pick a row OR a column? I get it now.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I love how the tracker is one-shot and the watcher isn't even though the watcher is the most powerful role in the entire matrix.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

civvie and baddie aren't the popular slang anymore are they?

I use them still, and I also use "town" and "mafia" in respect to those from other, more standard-type sites.

I usually try to use town/mafia in Naruto Forums, and civ/baddie here, to stay true with site flavor.

[Long Con]

Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

[Long Con]

EBWOP: Scumdar10

[DrWilgy]

Voting Sig.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

When does the poll lock? I'm not seeing a time here.

[speedchuck]

Well, that's a vote spread.

Catching up so I can put my vote somewhere valid.

[speedchuck]

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.