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Poll ended at Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:11 pm

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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm
dunya wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.
I don't even know what those suspicions are, for fuck's sake, I said this multiple times: I'm still on page 4 or whatever. I've been in here generating reads with every ounce of my being. If you have a beef with me, state it now, and I'll address it however I can, but if my recent efforts haven't moved you, I'm not sure what I can say. Sorry you don't believe me for whatever reason.
Everything is moving WAY too fast I can't address everything right now
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Though holy fuck, that tie. I may need to hop somewhere else for self-pres, but I can't deny how I'm feeling right now. Preference: dunya. Second preference... DDL I guess. Quin feels sincere right now; I've abandoned that suspicion.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm I feel like baddie MP would have tried a lot harder to pocket me. I'm not comfortable with his lynch at this time.
What is pocketing?
Getting on someone's good side.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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You're making a huge mistake lynching me. I don't like it.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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wtf I can't follow this
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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you have no votes dunya
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Wilgy, not Ddl.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Wilgy is annoying as fuck, but I felt he was genuinely trying to comment on things earlier in the game, and despite my increasing frustration with him and inability to tell what he's trying to say, I haven't entirely divorced myself from that perspective just yet. He deserves to be held responsible for his bullshit gambit though if we can't make sense of what he's saying.

I don't know what to do.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm I feel like baddie MP would have tried a lot harder to pocket me. I'm not comfortable with his lynch at this time.
What is pocketing?
Getting on someone's good side.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Fuck, I'm tied.Moving to Wilgy for self-pres I guess.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm Wilgy is annoying as fuck, but I felt he was genuinely trying to comment on things earlier in the game, and despite my increasing frustration with him and inability to tell what he's trying to say, I haven't entirely divorced myself from that perspective just yet. He deserves to be held responsible for his bullshit gambit though if we can't make sense of what he's saying.

I don't know what to do.
I think poll ended with the 3-way tie
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Day has ended. Stand by for results, mateys.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.
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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm Wilgy is annoying as fuck, but I felt he was genuinely trying to comment on things earlier in the game, and despite my increasing frustration with him and inability to tell what he's trying to say, I haven't entirely divorced myself from that perspective just yet. He deserves to be held responsible for his bullshit gambit though if we can't make sense of what he's saying.

I don't know what to do.
It's not ideal, he's almost completely unreadable. IMO it's better than you or DDL, who I have a chance of fleshing out more later on.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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dunya wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:58 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm
dunya wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.
I don't even know what those suspicions are, for fuck's sake, I said this multiple times: I'm still on page 4 or whatever. I've been in here generating reads with every ounce of my being. If you have a beef with me, state it now, and I'll address it however I can, but if my recent efforts haven't moved you, I'm not sure what I can say. Sorry you don't believe me for whatever reason.
Everything is moving WAY too fast I can't address everything right now
I don't understand why it's too much to ask you to explain yourself very briefly as to why you're condemning me to death when I don't even know what that reason is, but you've had time to post this.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm I feel like baddie MP would have tried a lot harder to pocket me. I'm not comfortable with his lynch at this time.
You said you suspect DDL, what other reads do you have?
That at least one of you, DDL and Quin are bad. I'm not 100% on which one right now, but my gut leans DDL.

That I'm still trying to sort dunya and this is the first time I've played with her. Right now I can't decide if we just think so differently that I can't relate to her views and it makes her look suspicious to me, or she is actually suspicious. I want more time to decide.

That Wilgy is probably civ.
The LC is probably civ.
That if my gut is right about DDL then I think sig is likely civ as well. If I am wrong about DDL, he is a question mark for me.
NT is absent, no read.
Kyle, I am unsure. I feel like he's just trying to get back into the mafia groove, I lean civ, but I'm pretty unsure there.

I am caught in linki hell right now... I've tried to post this for the last five minutes unsuccessfully.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Finally!
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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I'm going to assume it is DDL but maybe MP. We'll see.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm Wilgy is annoying as fuck, but I felt he was genuinely trying to comment on things earlier in the game, and despite my increasing frustration with him and inability to tell what he's trying to say, I haven't entirely divorced myself from that perspective just yet. He deserves to be held responsible for his bullshit gambit though if we can't make sense of what he's saying.

I don't know what to do.
I think poll ended with the 3-way tie
Ugh, I hope I moved my vote in time.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.
holy shit it talks!
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm I'm going to assume it is DDL but maybe MP. We'll see.
Assuming Quin is scum, DDL would be more likely. I still townread DDL, just from that perspective of Quin trying to protect someone.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
My point exactly. This was a hard save by someone.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
I am always down for "lynch the guy who talks weird". :haha: You don't even know.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm I'm going to assume it is DDL but maybe MP. We'll see.
Assuming Quin is scum, DDL would be more likely. I still townread DDL, just from that perspective of Quin trying to protect someone.
Civs don't protect day one. They hunt. Quinn isn't hunting.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
I just was curious if you were townreading him or not; I couldn't recall.

I'm not stoked about it either, but my desired lynch couldn't happen, and I feel I'm still ridiculously out of the loop.

Assuming I survive, I'll make whatever efforts I can before company comes to get current and investigate some more. I still have more work to do before then unfortunately.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:05 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
I am always down for "lynch the guy who talks weird". :haha: You don't even know.
This will lose you games Speedchuck. I was there the game you lynched Rico and I stand by the premise that was purely luck. Rico will do odd patterns regardless of alignment. Puzzle solving through the obstacles is probably a better skill to implement.
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-charisma mode activate-

im town you guys, i would never lie to you.
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Sorry MP :( I really panicked and felt like you were taking me on a ride. I wish I had 3 hours with you to assess everything new you said.
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Well shit, guess if I survive I'll go back to emojis.
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dunya wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm Sorry MP :( I really panicked and felt like you were taking me on a ride. I wish I had 3 hours with you to assess everything new you said.
Apology isn't necessary, it's mafia, not personal. I hope you know as well that my feelings towards you aren't overly adversarial; I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:05 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
I am always down for "lynch the guy who talks weird". :haha: You don't even know.
This will lose you games Speedchuck. I was there the game you lynched Rico and I stand by the premise that was purely luck. Rico will do odd patterns regardless of alignment. Puzzle solving through the obstacles is probably a better skill to implement.
It wasn't. It was an early lynch that needed to happen, because rico wasn't getting any easier to read. He was also using the mechanic to hide more than normal, hardly saying anything with his posts, and people were letting him by on "he's Rico." I could tell.

With you, this game, I actually get it. I get your readlists, and I see you saying something with your reactions. I read it, and I can converse with it.
And I hate it.

Insanifying is a mechanic that mafia uses for a reason. Screw self-imposed crap like that. I will be down to lynch it every time, early on, as bloody policy. Rico was a legit scumread. You were basically null. I was DTL (down-to-lynch) anyways.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.
I actually think you know Wilgy is town, that's how your posts are reading to me right now. GTH I'm thinking you and dunya.
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I also have no idea what your suspicion is of me, and I still don't know what it is from dunya either despite the fact that she's here apologizing for it.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:06 pm This be the final poll. All votes cast after this are void:
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If your civ and survive, puzzle solve through it homie. There's a lot of content and I feel practicing different methods of play is helping me.
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insertnamehere wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:50 pm WTF was up with Wilgy's entire deal?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...

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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.
hey dude? buddy? pal? friendo? you voted Wilgy to save yourself without any consideration to what his alignment might be. please don't forget that.

did a single person who voted Wilgy mention suspecting him as bad?
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.
look at the hypocrisy all over this post

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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:12 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.
I actually think you know Wilgy is town, that's how your posts are reading to me right now. GTH I'm thinking you and dunya.
You need to reassess because you are wrong.
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Re: Pirate Mafia [DAY 1]

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DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:06 pm This be the final poll. All votes cast after this are void:
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Well shit, guess if I survive I'll go back to emojis.
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If your civ and survive, puzzle solve through it homie. There's a lot of content and I feel practicing different methods of play is helping me.
I just don't understand if you're town why you're going out of your way to obfuscate your own content; it's not productive. I haven't had the time to read the thread let alone try to parse out everything you're saying and how you're coming to those conclusions; it makes it that much harder for people to stay current.
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