Pirate Mafia [END GAME]

[dunya]

Why did you think MP Quin was either or?

Because of the voting patterns and total disconnect from each other. When one mafia is totally sinking, the others sink him down, not dance ballet around him. Quin and MP aren't beginners in this, they wouldn't condemn themselves so openly and easily.

Quin believed MP was his supporter when everyone was dishing accusations his way, then there's MP ISOing him when he's on the chopping block then moving to someone else because he realized Quin doesn't suspect him and in a very tight EOD lynch, he needs every vote. They're both not voting each other off. It can be one but not both. You'll rarely ever see things so easily fall into place so effortlessly; when that happens you're missing some details. Especially when it's such an easy bandwagon without actual hard evidence (like a cop or tracker claim).

[dunya]

Why did you think MP Quin was either or?

Because of the voting patterns and total disconnect from each other. When one mafia is totally sinking, the others sink him down, not dance ballet around him. Quin and MP aren't beginners in this, they wouldn't condemn themselves so openly and easily.

but they didn't condemn each other that was the entire point, they went out of their way to not condemn each other

I know. The total disconnect is a form of condemnation as well. Are you getting that?
Two scum wouldn't leave any trails behind to question. That is a huge question mark. I don't buy it. At least not with two active participants. If we're talking about 2 non-posters, then it's a different story.

[dunya]

I have a question. I don't know if I should ask.

[Kylemii]

dunya can you let me know what you meant by the thing about DrWilgy?

[dunya]

I meant you saw his list as a positive thing because he actually made a list. So you're not unfamiliar with Day 1 scumspects and readings.

[Kylemii]

I don't think I ever said anything positive about Dr. Wilgy.

What's your question?

[dunya]

MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.

I don't even know what those suspicions are, for fuck's sake, I said this multiple times: I'm still on page 4 or whatever. I've been in here generating reads with every ounce of my being. If you have a beef with me, state it now, and I'll address it however I can, but if my recent efforts haven't moved you, I'm not sure what I can say. Sorry you don't believe me for whatever reason.

Btw [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention] you sucj fr this Never giving you sympathy ever again

[dunya]

suck* for*

[dunya]

so I have a q for the mods or anyone who might know how things work on here

Can the scum team double target someone who was possibly protected one night? So let's say, a doctor protected Kyle tonight and the scum team tried to kill him. Can they target him immediately the following night again if they choose to do so?

[dunya]

I still don't know what happened Night 1. Even if we assume the other two were non-posters, MP would have sent in the kill for sure no matter what. It would be interesting to know if LongCon was only a second choice or first choice target.

[dunya]

I don't think I ever said anything positive about Dr. Wilgy.

What's your question?

You are correct about the Wilgy list; it wasn't you who reacted positively towards it so I apologize for that.

[Kylemii]

I know. The total disconnect is a form of condemnation as well. Are you getting that?
Two scum wouldn't leave any trails behind to question. That is a huge question mark. I don't buy it. At least not with two active participants. If we're talking about 2 non-posters, then it's a different story.

I do get that, but that's exactly what makes it is a valid desperation strategy.

If you've got 2/3 of your team in the cross-hairs and an hour to fix it, possibly without having caught up to the thread, that's when you pull out the desperation plays like commandeering the lynch towards a non-poster. If things work out you're protected by the "there's no way MP would do that if he was bad" thing.

I thought MP was bad specifically because of his connection to Quin, I just turned out to be right for the wrong reasons.

Your way of thinking turned out to be correct but that doesn't make my way of thinking any less reasonable given the information provided for us.

[Kylemii]

[mention]dunya[/mention] i wanna be clear, I do fully realize that thinking baddies would screw up so obviously was maybe a little bit optimistic.

my hope is just that you'll understand where I was coming from

[dunya]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] are you really DDL's son???

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii are you really DDL's son???

No lol not really. Jack took a joke I made somewhere else seriously. I wanted to see how far I could take it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

SQUAAAWWWK woman overboard woman overboard

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dunya has been killed. She was the civilian watcher.

DAY 4 WILL LAST 48 HOURS.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Please welcome colonialbob, stepping in for NewTraditionalist!

[Kylemii]

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[dunya]

[Kylemii]

Does anyone have a link to an explanation on how the role matrix works?

[colonialbob]

Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

[Kylemii]

This be the final poll. All votes cast after this are void:

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Day 3 poll:[/color][/b]

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reposting these for ease of reference

[speedchuck]

Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya

[Kylemii]

analyzing the first two polls at face value with minor assistance from what I can remember about each players behaviors from day 1 and 2; by Kyle

Dragon D Luffy
voted for MP's closest competitor twice
was voted for by MP during the 3 way tie with those two and Wilgy, though MP meant to move his vote to Wilgy last minute

colonialbob
Null

Kylemii
2 votes for MP
none by MP

sig
no votes for MP
also no votes that could have been conceivably used to save MP

Spacedaisy
day 1 voted for DDL during the 3 way tie, day 2 voted for MP early in the day

Jackofhearts2005
Null

speedchuck
voted Wilgy day one during the 3 way tie, voted early to lynch MP similar situation to SD

[speedchuck]

Kylemii
2 votes for MP
none by MP

Be real. You just posted a little vote analysis to bring attention to this. No worries. I dig it.

Where is your vote going today? What options are you considering?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Kylemii are you really DDL's son???

No lol not really. Jack took a joke I made somewhere else seriously. I wanted to see how far I could take it.

Hi, Bob.

[colonialbob]

Reading through the game. Up through page 3. Voting DDL.

[Kylemii]

Kylemii
2 votes for MP
none by MP

Be real. You just posted a little vote analysis to bring attention to this. No worries. I dig it.

Where is your vote going today? What options are you considering?

Lol I'm actually doing it for my own benefit. I assumed we'd be searching for the final mafiosa today, instead of the final 2 so I need to clean the lens I've been viewing this game through.

At this moment I'm considering basically everyone to varying degrees.

Spacedaisy is I think, the least likely connected to MP, barring a really hardcore bussing situation which I think is pretty unlikely, though kind of entertaining to think about.

You (speedchuck) have the same or similar credit except with less calling out on MP, I think a teamed speedchuck preemptively bussing MP when it became clear his goose was cooked is technically a possibility

Sig is a wildcard, he didn't vote for MP but he also didn't vote to save MP, other than his vote for Quin his votes have been unrelated to the top lynch vote getters. Idk what that says about him having never played with him before everything about him is neutral

DDL doesn't look great vote-wise other than MP's vote against him day 1, DDL was one of MP's ISO's, I think his second to last before he went to change his vote to DrWilgy for self preservation, he was all over the place but a case could be made for last minute MP bus toss strategy against which he dumped as soon as the opportunity to save them both by voting for Wilgy came up. I would actually appreciate others reviewing the interactions between MP and DDL from day 1 if you wouldn't mind

Jack and cBob, I'm going to reserve judgement on for now but one of them being part of the baddie final 2 is not off the table

[NewTraditionalist]

Yo Ho HO...busy week and me postin' history is looking sparser than Sloonei's rum locker after the 3rd day of a 30 day voyages. I'll try to assist so as to avoid sending any more of the bad (meaning good) pirates down for a meetin' with Davey Jones. Let's lynch a good (meaning bad) pirate wannabe like that scalawag MP07! Huzzah.

Based on a read of things so far, me good eye (lost the other one to a hungry seagull whilst sleepin' on the poopdeck Monday morning...ugh...Mondays) is staring right at DDL. I was on No Vote for good measure but me safety's off now and I'm feeling good about putting DDL's bare feet to the splinters next. That voting record.

[NewTraditionalist]

oops...and i'm out. see you guys around.

[Kylemii]

speedchuck

dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
sig
Spacedaisy
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
NewTraditionalist

Probably. Lesse.

We have 8 players left, 7 tomorrow (unless doctors/roleblockers pull through). 2 are scum. I could definitely see it being Kyle and a former inactive. I feel like I can basically rule out Dunya at this point. No pings there. Still feel really good about DDL, tinfoil vote shenannigans aside.

So my bet for remaining scum are:
Kyle, spacedaisy, sig, or DDL
and an inactive.

linki: depends on when I hypothetically voted
I can't be absolute unless given specific parameters. After all, I know what the result is.
hmmm
Probably quin. Only NT if I had a strong gutread in the moment.

hey wait?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm here, still alive. Imma catch up now.

I just gotta say, Speed looks good to me because he is having me as his top civ read despite my craptastic vote tracking. I feel like if he was bad he would be slowly preparing to lynch me or something like that.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think we should do another GTH reading thing next time we have enough people around

Did we even use the last GTH for anything? Serious question.

And this is not just salt because I posted my GTH reads and got royally ignored by all the people who asked for them (though it also is). It's also my observation that the one starting the GTH exercise was MP. Is it an actual attempt at catching baddies or is it just smokescreen?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

(I get the impression he's a 11-20 year old given he's DDL's kid, right?)

wat

[Dragon D. Luffy]

wait what. Kyle is DDL's son in rl?

Whrere in nine hells this this come from?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya

It could also be line 3. With the jailkeeper.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

[Long Con]

I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

[Spacedaisy]

I think we should do another GTH reading thing next time we have enough people around

Did we even use the last GTH for anything? Serious question.

And this is not just salt because I posted my GTH reads and got royally ignored by all the people who asked for them (though it also is). It's also my observation that the one starting the GTH exercise was MP. Is it an actual attempt at catching baddies or is it just smokescreen?

Two things, you posted a belated GTH, so by the time you got in there compilation and interpretation had already occurred. It makes your list less reliable as a GTH. Second, I started it and MP was the first to jump on board.

[colonialbob]

This game is quiet so far. Be ye a bunch of landlubbers?

[speedchuck]

Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya

It could also be line 3. With the jailkeeper.

I'm not super familiar with the jailkeeper, but I was thinking it was a doctor thanks to the no-death on N1? Could jailkeeper do that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

I didn't want to insult Kyle by saying he was for sure like 8-11.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

That is my very favorite scene of the movie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yarrrr. Be the town watcher one who finds out who targets their target?

That's how it works, yeah. Welcome to game!

Looks like we're in column C roles. We got a watcher and doctor folks. That makes D1 make sense. And it means we still have an edge.

RIP Dunya

It could also be line 3. With the jailkeeper.

I'm not super familiar with the jailkeeper, but I was thinking it was a doctor thanks to the no-death on N1? Could jailkeeper do that?

Yes. JK is just block + doc. Or block + make untargetable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

After my shit call in meeting at 1:00, I shall rave Bob to catch up and provide less off the cuff reads.

[colonialbob]

After my shit call in meeting at 1:00, I shall rave Bob to catch up and provide less off the cuff reads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

After my shit call in meeting at 1:00, I shall rave Bob to catch up and provide less off the cuff reads.

*Race Bob

[Kylemii]

wait what. Kyle is DDL's son in rl?

Whrere in nine hells this this come from?

Come on, Dad. Why are you always so embarrassed of me?

[dunya]

I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

Sorry. In retrospect I didnt know your age and Kyle was convincing

[colonialbob]

Up through page 10 or so, I'm feeling pretty firm in my DDL vote.