Mountain Mafia [END]

[Long Con]

LC what are your thoughts on Sloonei?

I just went back through Sloonei's ISO. He has been a positive force in moving the thread forward, asking questions and looking for different angles. This is how he describes his own gameplay in this very game, though, so it's not completely ringing the Civilian bells for me. It could be a strategy of content and consistency that he does very well.

[Quin]

Hi, @sprityo

Do you have an opinion on my alightment yet?

I think you're probably town.

What was so shining and glorious about sprit's check to earn him this early read?

I just like Sprityo.

Did you follow up on this?

[Long Con]

I'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

Why was it necessary to have her prove this?

@Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

I also like this response. Quickly ending a conversation which seems of non-import to me. Unless LC wanted to glean something from it, in which case, read quote one.

It wasn't really, I just wanted to see what she'd say. At the very least, it gives her a chance to recall something awesome she did and share it. This comment is in a similar vein to my comment to Jack. The start of the game, very little content/assertions yet, so I do what I can with what's there.

[Epignosis]

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you.

[Quin]

How many times have you seen me cast a single vote on Day 1 and leave it there?

Was I supposed to be paying attention to you all this time? I'm sorry.

I'm saying I throw my votes around willynilly on every Day 1 that I ever play in. You're usually pretty on the ball about what goes on in game threads, but you've seldom been skeptical of me for doing this in the past.

This is fair. Even if you don't pay that much attention you can get a general idea of what a person likes if you play with them enough. For example, I know that around Day 3 Jack and I are going to tear each others throats out.

[Epignosis]

Tbf to Epi, he pretends not to understand stuff when he discusses politics, too.

Can we not? This is the third time I've had to ask that people leave political jabs out of Mafia.

[Long Con]

I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

This could be compensation for lack of a proper response. I'm not leaning either way on it.
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That could be. The real response was "I don't know"... and actually, now that I typed it out, the response does ping me slightly. A Civ's response to "Is that a scumtell for you/what part is a scumtell?" should be "It's not a scumtell, it can't be because I'm not scum"... but Jack just doesn't know why or which part was a scumtell.

[Kylemii]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

[Quin]

I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

This could be compensation for lack of a proper response. I'm not leaning either way on it.

That could be. The real response was "I don't know"... and actually, now that I typed it out, the response does ping me slightly. A Civ's response to "Is that a scumtell for you/what part is a scumtell?" should be "It's not a scumtell, it can't be because I'm not scum"... but Jack just doesn't know why or which part was a scumtell.
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spooky

[Long Con]

@Quin

Cause this post. I don't think Sloonei posts this if you are teammates together.

ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

He's making friends right off the bat.

What would he say if we were teammates?

He would say nothing, because your proposition is likely intended as a trap for two Civilians: someone and Epi. Go for it Epi. I dare you.

[Quin]

I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

[Epignosis]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

[Quin]

ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

what does this sentence mean?

do you want other people to tell you why you are going to vote for mr gnosis?

Is this an acceptable response from a townie? Is Sloonei's response unacceptable from a townie?

[Long Con]

I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

That's a good point. An inconsistency arises in previously consistent gameplay?

[Quin]

I don't think Sloonei is fence sitting. Or rather, if what he's doing is fence sitting, that's what he always does.

[Quin]

I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

That's a good point. An inconsistency arises in previously consistent gameplay?

I'm just looking for a specific response for now.

[Quin]

@Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.

I don't disagree with this. Epi's playstyle is argumentative, but in my experience he favours offense over defence.

[Long Con]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

Epi... why are you not getting it?

You are the one exhibiting the behaviour I find suspicious.

The assumption in play is that you, as a baddie, chose three players who are Civvies.

The assumption is not that they are Civvies and therefore you are bad.

You are too smart to not understand that. You are being deceptive to try to change peoples' minds about what exactly I'm accusing you of. I don't understand why you do this.

[Quin]

You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

I'm definitely trying to get us to talk about more than just Epi. I don't want to not talk about him, but I don't want him to be the only topic either.

Sloonei knows just how to get me on his good side.

[Quin]

Did I even use that expression properly?

[Long Con]

Did I even use that expression properly?

I think it's supposed to be your side that is good.

[Kylemii]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

if you're mafia for the prescribed reasons then it also stands to reason that the 3 people you interacted with would be more likely to be civ.

Interacting the way you did with any of them would be unusual if you were both wolves would be unusual.

[nutella]

I'm voting for Jack ok gg

[Long Con]

would be unusual if you were both wolves would be unusual

[Epignosis]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

Epi... why are you not getting it?

You are the one exhibiting the behaviour I find suspicious.

The assumption in play is that you, as a baddie, chose three players who are Civvies.

The assumption is not that they are Civvies and therefore you are bad.

You are too smart to not understand that. You are being deceptive to try to change peoples' minds about what exactly I'm accusing you of. I don't understand why you do this.

I chose three players who are civilians? You can't even get your case right.

I didn't choose who quoted "Rocket Man." I also didn't choose who answered a question in a way I found innocent. No other people did those two things. I didn't choose anybody.

[Quin]

Did I even use that expression properly?

I think it's supposed to be your side that is good.

I don't have a good side. The opposite of photogenic.

[Quin]

I'm voting for Jack ok gg

hi

[Long Con]

I chose three players who are civilians? You can't even get your case right.

I didn't choose who quoted "Rocket Man." I also didn't choose who answered a question in a way I found innocent. No other people did those two things. I didn't choose anybody.

Dance away...

[Quin]

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

[Kylemii]

would be unusual if you were both wolves would be unusual

[Epignosis]

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Epi I have a huge problem with this line of logic because determining people's relationships to each other while also keeping in mind the uncertainty of other people's motivations is *literally* the entire point of this game.

So if I assume three people you've interacted with are good to conclude that you are mafia, how'd that be?

if you're mafia for the prescribed reasons then it also stands to reason that the 3 people you interacted with would be more likely to be civ.

Interacting the way you did with any of them would be unusual if you were both wolves would be unusual.

Damn, being mafia must be easy if all you have to do to win is something unusual.

[Quin]

okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

I dislike this. It's the same as trying to tell the thread that nothing significant is being exchanged between them. I wonder if nutella has made similar sentiments in other games while town.

[Long Con]

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

Missed that in the cavalcade.

The main reason Epi survives as scum might be that people believe his town game is seen as crafty, so people will let certain things slide that they might have otherwise found suspicious.

[Quin]

I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

cba finding my sloonei exchange again but here's a lovely recap

Sloonei: Do you agree more with my hesitance or LC's confidence?
nutella: The former
Quin: Is it possible to agree with both confidence and hesitance at the same time
Sloonei: Yes, because she's understanding of all of our perspectives
Quin: Fair enough

I changed my mind. That's called sitting on the fence.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

His town game is crafty tho.

[Quin]

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

Missed that in the cavalcade.

The main reason Epi survives as scum might be that people believe his town game is seen as crafty, so people will let certain things slide that they might have otherwise found suspicious.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how vehemently do you reject my initial impression that you were suggesting lynching Epignosis before he could cement himself in the game?

[Quin]

Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

This is a man who knows what he wants.

[Quin]

Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

Then I won't answer.

What do you think about Quin?

I think Quin's throwing sticks early on which is generally a sign of good boy behavior.

I thought I was throwing sticks in Pirate Mafia too, but I was your biggest scum read. What's the difference?

[Kylemii]

Damn, being mafia must be easy if all you have to do to win is something unusual.

that is also an integral premise of the game.

Epi who do you suspect? Who do you think is good?

[colonialbob]

And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.

Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

That's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.

Do you intend to keep your vote on me?

What an odd question.

I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."

I'm gonna put a vote on colonialbob because he never told me why this was an odd question.

It was early in the phase, and you were asking me about where my vote was going to be at end of day? That's odd to me. The explanation that vote switching was relatively new to the Syndicate eased that concern a bit. I also liked some of your other content, so decided to move elsewhere.

PS traveling today, so I'll try to catch up here in a bit when I'm sitting at the airport. I haven't read most of thread since my last post, just jumped to this since I got quoted.

[Quin]

I'd really like to hear @Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

Not a fan. It looks like he's hiding from the thread again. Kyle hasn't played with a fair number of people before (or at least since he's been on the Syndicate), so there's no real reason for being 'clouded'.

Also every 5 seconds in this post the Mesk mention comes up even though i havent even mentioned him and its driving me crazy

[Kylemii]

I thought I was throwing sticks in Pirate Mafia too, but I was your biggest scum read. What's the difference?

I thought you were bad because you and MP didn't want to lynch each other. It seemed like you and he were both being saved by the Wilgy Wagon.

[Kylemii]

I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

Not a fan. It looks like he's hiding from the thread again. Kyle hasn't played with a fair number of people before (or at least since he's been on the Syndicate), so there's no real reason for being 'clouded'.

Also every 5 seconds in this post the Mesk mention comes up even though i havent even mentioned him and its driving me crazy

I have played maybe dozens of games with LC and at least a dozen with Epi.

Also, I'm not hiding??? I've been here posting all day.

[Quin]

I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

Not a fan. It looks like he's hiding from the thread again. Kyle hasn't played with a fair number of people before (or at least since he's been on the Syndicate), so there's no real reason for being 'clouded'.

Also every 5 seconds in this post the Mesk mention comes up even though i havent even mentioned him and its driving me crazy

I have played maybe dozens of games with LC and at least a dozen with Epi.

Also, I'm not hiding??? I've been here posting all day.

But what about the other 16 players?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi be like Lancer, reversing cause and effect.

[Epignosis]

Epi who do you suspect?

My head says Long Con and nutella, but I'm aware of my biases there.

Long Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

nutella is someone I always get wrong, but her participation here strikes me as phony. It was like she didn't understand what was going on in the thread but somehow agreed with Quin, Sloonei, and LC when they had three rather different things to say about me (or in Quin's case, nothing at all).

I haven't given anybody else much thought. If I had to lynch someone based on other factors right now, DDL because a chunk of his posts are defending me. I appreciate that on one level, but I caution myself about people doing that, especially this early when it's easy to do.

Who do you think is good?

Mesk, still, I suppose.

[Quin]

After all that and Sloonei still has more posts than me. God damn.

[Quin]

How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

It's not about size, more so how you use it.

Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

Why like him instead of me?

I knew I shouldn't have bothered

[Quin]

wowee phases end at 4pm? I'm being spoiled.

[Long Con]

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

What are you suggesting in this post?

Please answer this, LC.

Missed that in the cavalcade.

The main reason Epi survives as scum might be that people believe his town game is seen as crafty, so people will let certain things slide that they might have otherwise found suspicious.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how vehemently do you reject my initial impression that you were suggesting lynching Epignosis before he could cement himself in the game?

I would give it an 8, because I don't have a good reference for what qualifies as "cemented". Perhaps all Day 1 lynchees are lynched before they're cemented.

I reject your initial impression vehemently because my suspicion of Epi has grown along the way, to blossom into the desire to lynch him based on his responses.