Mountain Mafia [END]

[Sloonei]

I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?

Because I believed Nutella to be civ (though she has fooled me before so I wasn't 100% certain) and though I am tinfoiling LC and Epi, it's nowhere near solid enough a suspicion to place a vote there. So basically I voted the person I lost suspected at the time. That's how you usually are supposed to use your vote after all.

With regards to your reason for voting me specifically: you definitely are reading too much into my early poo fling at you. I was never strongly suspicious of you. I did vote for you, for about 5 minutes. I wanted to create an avenue for discussion and tried to do that through you. Instead, other avenues picked up. So I dropped it. Your response was good. This response is also good. I see nothing but a strong spacedaisy who's not tolerating any of my crap. I have a philosophical disagreement about vote application, but that's not a reason to be suspicious.

Got any other reads worth sharing?

[Long Con]

I see Elohcin!

Oh. My. Goodness. Reading this thread is like listening to my children bicker. I'm not done catching up, but I'm over it. This.post below is why I'm voting LC. He admits to making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad. This ia what mafia have to do to look like they are scum-hunting.

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you.

That's why you voted for me, Eloh, and I feel like you gained clarity about the misunderstanding. You understood that I didn't "make up a reason to accuse Epi", and yet you left your vote on me. Why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want to continue playing but I'm too busy internally raging at my shitty boss to do quality hunting.

[DrWilgy]

What LC potential scumslip?

The "how does he know they are townies" bit?

Epi had cause and effect reversed.

Just jumping in. I don't even know the context.

Would Epi reversing cause and effect reveal anything about his mindstate?

[DrWilgy]

And I just realized it's Night 1. Read the poll and thought day 1 ended tonight at midnight. Whoops.

[DrWilgy]

*Puts on a latex frog costume*

Time to get serious.

[speedchuck]

We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

[Long Con]

I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.

[speedchuck]

Thoughts on Epi/LC. I'm tin foiling here, I feel like this exchange doesn't feel the same as most of their others. I could see these two being teamies and tossing each other under the bus right off the bat. That is a ballsy strategy that either of them would pull. It has me paranoid. That said, my rational brain finds Epi feeling like a civ. But not his normal self. I don't know if that makes sense, but it does in my brain. Either he is abd and he and LC are tossing each other under the bus early, or he's civ. That is where I stand on Epi.

I could see Epi as 3P.

That would make both LC's accusation and Epi's defense make more sense.

Unrelated to this post: I also don't think the Nutella read was a metaread. And this is coming from a lover of metareading.

[speedchuck]

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

[speedchuck]

Where do I sign up for a family friendly game?

I need to make a politeness mafia.

[Sloonei]

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

I answered this

[speedchuck]

Sloonei, are you a little mountain?

No

I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.

huh?

> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy

I answered this

So you did.

I'm live streaming.

Answer was pretty good.

[Epignosis]

What LC potential scumslip?

The "how does he know they are townies" bit?

Epi had cause and effect reversed.

Just jumping in. I don't even know the context.

Would Epi reversing cause and effect reveal anything about his mindstate?

No, because there's no identifiable cause or effect in a circular argument.

[Marmot]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT



MovingPictures felt out of place, dangling on the side of the mountain from a 10-mil cord. Why was he there? He thought he'd get a better view of the valley below then just standing on the precipice itself.

But Sockface was stuck, hanging by a thread. And he was cold... Oh so cold...

Fortunately, a care package was dropped from a helicopter. There was a stuffed teddy bear inside.



JaggedJimmyJay has replace MovingPictures07

[Epignosis]

I'm here. 500+ posts behind. Lemme catch up and I'll answer questions.

You better start reading a hell of a lot faster.

[speedchuck]

A rainbow! (Like you guys give a shit)


Jack
Nutella
LC
Quin
Kyle
[pretend this is light green]
Sloonei
Sprityo[/pretending]
[yallow]
Daisy
Eloh
Sig
Wilgy
Glor
Melk
Dom
MP
DDL[/yaloh]
Speed
Bob
Epi

C'mon boy, you know me better than that

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'd really like to hear @Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

I also got a feeling Kyle is being passive-like.

From Page 5, that is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey gang. I've followed the game pretty closely so far and will puke up some perspectives/hot takes/sick, nasty content after class.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Fortunately, a care package was dropped from a helicopter. There was a stuffed teddy bear inside.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Will you stop this before someone else buys it

[speedchuck]

We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.

Well, let's look at the post. What does it accomplish?

1. Reinforces the current lynch trains. If 0-1 of them are scum, then this is a decent move for scum. Having more than one scum in there is not likely. (Oh no, did I just assume their alignment? Don't even start with that.) Even with one scum in the three, it's easy to move away from one of them to make it between 2 people. Voters like having 2 options. Ask American politics.

2. Puts on a show of wanting an organized lynch, and of wanting participation, without actually adding anything to the reasons to lynch these three other than "they got votes on them already"

3. Vote rush shenanigans are chaotic, which might be good for scum . . . unless scum is composed of inactives or people not on that shortlist. In which case, a stable lynch is helpful. Townies should care more about who seems scummy rather than sticking to guns for the last hour and a half.
As for whether kyle agrees with looking at stable lynches, ask him for his opinion of Pirate Mafia D1.
Actually, I think someone has already done that.

Thus my ping

[Elohcin]

1 - Crazy cake lady, I'm absolutely obsessed with your avatar...

2 - Not too sure how I feel about Epiklsflaflgadfjlghfg (i can't spell) but the first few pages I was actually thinking questioning how one could be so confident on a players alignment. I was totally imaging some big buff he man like dude walking up and being like HEY, THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE GOOOOD ARRRRRRRRR I NO VOTE THEM, ARRR and while I feel intimidated into wanting to believe them... honey, i don't know you and you don't know me... at least take me on a date once before you try and assert your dominance

dis crazy cake ladys gone come bust an ass if you try an get wid my man again. Only I call him honey. An you is right! Hes just like he-man baby!



Okay...back to catching up. I feel like that's all I've done in this game. I hate being behind.

[Kylemii]

I switched my vote. I regret it already, but if Nutella is telling the truth then...... ugh

This is an action that needs an explanation. What did you see that prompted this last second change, kyle?

whether or not Nutella was telling the truth prompted the change

when Nutella mentioned ties I thought she was saying that and making a one vote difference in the hopes that someone else would vote for LC and save her

it was something she posted later that made me realize Everest might be involved and primal lizard brain Kyle did the math and realized if I voted for LC then Nutella would only die if she was lying.

So i pulled the trigger and immediately regretted it because I thought Long Con was a civ at the time and also a powerful driver of content. I'm happy with the result of neither of them dying.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Kyle looks better two pages later.

I agree with Nutella's assertion about Epi vs LC back and forth. Or about every back and forth, tbh. I usually automatically skim it when I notice it's just two players arguing semantics over and over and whatnot.

That said, Nutella's post complaining about them gave me a bad vibe.

Okay 12 pages left.

[Elohcin]

I see Elohcin!

Oh. My. Goodness. Reading this thread is like listening to my children bicker. I'm not done catching up, but I'm over it. This.post below is why I'm voting LC. He admits to making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad. This ia what mafia have to do to look like they are scum-hunting.

WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.

Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you.

That's why you voted for me, Eloh, and I feel like you gained clarity about the misunderstanding. You understood that I didn't "make up a reason to accuse Epi", and yet you left your vote on me. Why?

I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

[Sloonei]

Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Will you stop this before someone else buys it

Just accept it, dadl.

[Kylemii]

We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

Dis post pinged me, you know what I'm sayin'?

I don't know what you're saying; I don't feel the ping. Take me there.

Well, let's look at the post. What does it accomplish?

1. Reinforces the current lynch trains. If 0-1 of them are scum, then this is a decent move for scum. Having more than one scum in there is not likely. (Oh no, did I just assume their alignment? Don't even start with that.) Even with one scum in the three, it's easy to move away from one of them to make it between 2 people. Voters like having 2 options. Ask American politics.

2. Puts on a show of wanting an organized lynch, and of wanting participation, without actually adding anything to the reasons to lynch these three other than "they got votes on them already"

3. Vote rush shenanigans are chaotic, which might be good for scum . . . unless scum is composed of inactives or people not on that shortlist. In which case, a stable lynch is helpful. Townies should care more about who seems scummy rather than sticking to guns for the last hour and a half.
As for whether kyle agrees with looking at stable lynches, ask him for his opinion of Pirate Mafia D1.
Actually, I think someone has already done that.

Thus my ping

Tied lynches are only useful if you think both lynchees have a strong or at least good potential of being bad, that's the entire point. I am 100% for organization.

I didn't like the case on LC and I felt bad about Nutella but I didn't see her as the best lynch candidate

The point of that post was to remind people that if they wanted something different than what was on the table it's better to do it an hour and a half before the lynch than to wait any longer and risk not having the votes to move things. Which is also exactly what happened?

[speedchuck]

Point is, you thought after the fact that Pirate mafia had a great D1.

And it wasn't organized at the end at all. You're the one mentioning ties, not me. :P

Granted, I think I did read your post wrong for that second point, so I'll lower it to a half-ping.

[Kylemii]

Point is, you thought after the fact that Pirate mafia had a great D1.

And it wasn't organized at the end at all. You're the one mentioning ties, not me. :P

Granted, I think I did read your post wrong for that second point, so I'll lower it to a half-ping.

I never said pirate d1 went great, there were obviously better ways it could have gone.

But you can't deny that it wasn't informative.

[Kylemii]

Can't deny that it was informative

[speedchuck]

Can't deny that it was informative

I dunno man, I didn't get much out of it

[Spacedaisy]

I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

*votes Nutella*

My reaction also was to vote nutella. My perspective after giving it some thought, however, is to question if nutella would be so careless and flippant if she were mafia, knowing that being careless and flippant would likely draw votes. I need to hear more.

This seems to be the first time Nutella was referred to in this game as careless.

Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.

What's the problem, Epi?

Now we have Jack discussing her meta. Which struck me as really off because my experience with Nutella's baddie meta (before she started using her knowledge of her own meta against us) was that Baddie Nutella acts a lot more sure of her suspicions than civ Nutella. So if she wasn't acting sure of herself in ME, it's precisely because she was using her meta against people who know that civ Nutella is uncertain and flip floppy. In short, this is NIA now since she knows her own baddie/civ tells.

Nutella hasn't always been super consistent as a townie in my experience with her. She'll speak her mind without regard for whether or not it all fits neatly together, and I've got no issue with that. I don't think I would vote for her based solely on her posts so far.

This post makes me feel better about Sloonei actually. It's the only read of Nutella that seems accurate to me.

okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

I dislike this. It's the same as trying to tell the thread that nothing significant is being exchanged between them. I wonder if nutella has made similar sentiments in other games while town.

Another comment directing things toward nutella meta.

Epi who do you suspect?

My head says Long Con and nutella, but I'm aware of my biases there.

Long Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

nutella is someone I always get wrong, but her participation here strikes me as phony. It was like she didn't understand what was going on in the thread but somehow agreed with Quin, Sloonei, and LC when they had three rather different things to say about me (or in Quin's case, nothing at all).

I haven't given anybody else much thought. If I had to lynch someone based on other factors right now, DDL because a chunk of his posts are defending me. I appreciate that on one level, but I caution myself about people doing that, especially this early when it's easy to do.

Who do you think is good?

Mesk, still, I suppose.

Epi is uncharacteristically cautious here. He has the best line of reasoning for voting for Nutella, yet he doesn't. I think his line of reasoning was based on incorrect understanding of what she was saying, but still he had the most secure reason to vote her but he didn't want to?

Agreed with Quin Epi, Nutella bad.

Nutella being lazy is a scumtell. I don't think she thinks I'm bad nor thinks I'll get lynched but I'd rather....you know what? I'm not sure what Nutella is doing. We were teamed together and it was said that I focus too much on myself when I'm bad, as I focused too much on myself and tap danced to victory. So that's like...an unfriendly poke? But there's no weight behind it. It's not hunting. Feels like a distraction but it would only distract me onto her so...what is that for?

I don't want to switch to Nutella. I think she's more likely bad if Epi is bad and Epi is more likely to be bad if just one of them is. I dislike lynching people I suspect of being buddies with someone I suspect more. Like if we lynch Epi and he's town, I can revevaluate Nutella. If I lynch Nutella and she's town, I don't move on Epi. So why lynch Nutella first.

Anyhow, I think LC, Quin, Kyle, Sloonei are town in that order. Probably Bob too (don't listen to my Bob reads). Everyone else statistically probably town but not giving me reasons to think so.

Again discussion of Nutella's supposed meta. Meta which I disagree with entirely. And in fact, I disagree with trying to read Nutella's meta at all since, as I've mentioned multiple times already, she knows about and uses against the civs when she is bad.

So yeah, I think there was a very strong element of meta being pushed in the Nutella lynch train.

After all this I feel more like Epi might actually be bad, and Jack has my eye too. I want to ISO him though. And I want to ISO DDL.

Gut read I am liking cbob, I think I saw something in LC that backs up what he was saying about the inconsistency between LC's response to Epi and me.

More to come after some ISOs...

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

What do you think of the people who "kind of" want to vote for him?

Ok there is a billion of people asking me this so

I didn't make a list of those people. And I didn't evaluate them individually (though Nutella and Sloonei attracted my attention at the time more than the rest)

I just saw what I perceived like a possible movement from baddies to slowly push a day 1 Epi lynch and decided I wanted no part in it.

Looking for movements like that is one way I like to scumhunt. last game I played on NF we found a baddie on day 1 because halfway through the phase only 2 people were voting for him and normally whenever he is playing there is a huge meme wagon on him by page 2. The fact people suddenly decided not to do that meme was an indication he was being protected by the baddies. We were right.

[Spacedaisy]

I had this post saved in another tab and forgot about it, posting it now...

I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?

Because I believed Nutella to be civ (though she has fooled me before so I wasn't 100% certain) and though I am tinfoiling LC and Epi, it's nowhere near solid enough a suspicion to place a vote there. So basically I voted the person I lost suspected at the time. That's how you usually are supposed to use your vote after all.

With regards to your reason for voting me specifically: you definitely are reading too much into my early poo fling at you. I was never strongly suspicious of you. I did vote for you, for about 5 minutes. I wanted to create an avenue for discussion and tried to do that through you. Instead, other avenues picked up. So I dropped it. Your response was good. This response is also good. I see nothing but a strong spacedaisy who's not tolerating any of my crap. I have a philosophical disagreement about vote application, but that's not a reason to be suspicious.

Got any other reads worth sharing?

This is the response I would have expected. If this response would have come sooner, I would not have voted for you. My concern was not your suspicion of me, it was that you came out about it so strongly at the get go and then dropped it with no comment why. I've been wrong about you before so I'm willing after this to give you the BOTD and change my focus because you finally addressed the why of all that.

Other reads. I'm struggling with the LC/Epi thing and my tinfoiling gut feeling around it. Nothing about that exchange reads normal to me. But I can't decide if it's because they are both tired of going around with each other or if they are both bad and the exchange is intentional to distance and make one of them look good by preemptively bussing.

[Epignosis]

Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

[Sloonei]

lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

I like this post. I'm glad I didn't vote for nutella.

[Sloonei]

Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?

[Spacedaisy]

Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Probably still in my tinfoil feeling. Because my biggest suspicion of you is that I think the exchange between you and LC feels off, it feels different than past exchanges. And I think you feel different. Your treatment of Nutella is only a part of it. I think it is strange that by the time I was reading everything that occurred you had the most talk of suspicion surrounding you, but no votes. I don't get that. I also don't get your demeanor.

The way I perceive your baddie play is based entirely off what I have seen you do while I was hosting you. You find the pressure point that gets a rise out of the people going after you, you hit those pressure points hard so that the player gets upset and discredits him or herself. As a civ you go over and over and over and over what you think is a flaw in logic or accusation. And you are fairly insulting about it. Here you did a bit of repetition with very little insult and then just seemed like you shrugged and walked off. I just don't get what you are doing. The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

[Long Con]

Is LC saying bogus things a scumtell?

Impossible to say, since LC doesn't say bogus things.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Will you stop this before someone else buys it

DDL is 26...in hexadecimal

[Long Con]

The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

[speedchuck]

The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

I REALLY don't think they would pull that in a speed game. It nearly got one of them lynched, and Epi legit wasn't here when he needed to be participating in that kind of plan to make sure they didn't bring each other down.

Don't let the results pull you away from what would have been a very stupid move in this game, at this time, with this pattern of behavior from them.


linki: Nice post reference

[colonialbob]

I see Elohcin!

I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Would love some content from you outside of LC v Epi.

[Kylemii]

JaggedJimmyJay has replace MovingPictures07

Forgot to say, welcome JJJ! thank you for replace MP

[Kylemii]

Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Will you stop this before someone else buys it

DDL is 26...in hexadecimal

daddl's disappointed with me

[Epignosis]

Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Probably still in my tinfoil feeling. Because my biggest suspicion of you is that I think the exchange between you and LC feels off, it feels different than past exchanges. And I think you feel different. Your treatment of Nutella is only a part of it. I think it is strange that by the time I was reading everything that occurred you had the most talk of suspicion surrounding you, but no votes. I don't get that. I also don't get your demeanor.

The way I perceive your baddie play is based entirely off what I have seen you do while I was hosting you. You find the pressure point that gets a rise out of the people going after you, you hit those pressure points hard so that the player gets upset and discredits him or herself. As a civ you go over and over and over and over what you think is a flaw in logic or accusation. And you are fairly insulting about it. Here you did a bit of repetition with very little insult and then just seemed like you shrugged and walked off. I just don't get what you are doing. The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

Or, I don't know...this is just a crazy idea, I realize...but maybe...

...I've been trying to stop doing that altogether?

[Spacedaisy]

The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat. And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.

[Spacedaisy]

That linki was towards Epi's last post, just to clarify.

[Epignosis]

The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat.

Another common unfounded belief about me. I don't know why it keeps coming up. I most certainly do not like the idea of bussing a teammate right off the bat (or ever). I've done it literally one time in history (DDL in Guess Who?) and it was for the sheer novelty of it, as I had never done it before. The only other occasions I recall bussing a teammate was out of necessity because the teammate had already talked himself into a corner and there wasn't any coming back from it (Scotty in one of G-Man's games was one of those rare instances).

And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.

I didn't really want to get LC lynched outside of the mindset that, whether he was good or not, if he got lynched, I wouldn't have to waste my time with his crappy accusations against me. I knew that was my mindset, and that I had been there before, and that if LC isn't bad and I'm only dissatisfied with his performance, I'm not helping myself by trying to get him lynched.

Doing the same thing over and over isn't normal. Learning from the past is.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mountains."