Mountain Mafia [END]

[colonialbob]

INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

Uhhhhh good
Good
Bad

[Kylemii]

INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

Huh? Bad I guess
Good
Good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

[Quin]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

scum
town
town
supatown

[dunya]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

town
scum
scum
town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

bad
good
bad
good

[Sloonei]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Town
Town
Town
Town

[Spacedaisy]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Bad
Good
Bad
Bad

[Spacedaisy]

I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

[colonialbob]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
Good
Bad
Good

[Kylemii]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
Good
Bad
We already did Quin. Good.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

this post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.

Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"

I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?

Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.

Hiya, Dunya.

Specifically what straws? What do you think a baddie Jack is trying to accomplish with this post?

hey Jack!

well, let's go back to the original post. Daisy says something along the lines of "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!" Sloonei goes full heated "This REEKS of scum" on her. She says come on, give me more credit.

You used a lot of ~strong~ adjectives to describe her attempts at a rebuffal (THIS IS A REAL WORD WHY DOES CHROME UNDERLINE IT?), such as "hate" and "unconvincing" for a Slooeni-->Daisy accusation that is quite frankly as weak as hot water cocoa. You're grasping at straws, trying to make something appear a lot more significant than it is.

FTR, a townie dunya has quite often used the line "Would I really do that as scum?" because townies do act differently whether you care to admit it or not. We are much looser with our words and actions. In Seinfeld, I asked JJJ that question 100 times, and 100 times he'd say yes. But in the end I was town, and I certainly would not have attracted any attention towards me by being vocally opposing everyone if I was scum--hello Epi, hello Long Con.

Reading too much into this. I have strong opinions about mafia theory things and rant about them. (See: Every game I'm in with silencers, ties, mylo, neutrals claiming, suggestions to go no lynch D1, etc)

Look at what I'm specifically saying about Daisy. I don't think she's feeling guilty because of her role card, the accusation is absurd and her defends is not strong enough in rejecting the attack.

[dunya]

I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

you broke my heart with your sprityo prejudices

[Quin]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
Good
Bad
We already did Quin. Good.

that's what she said

[Spacedaisy]

It has nothing to do with you, sorry.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alright I'm glad people stepped up. I can't assemble a beautiful chart right now (anyone else feel free to do that ). I'll talk about the results later.

[dunya]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
Good
Bad
We already did Quin. Good.

that's what she said

[dunya]

Alright I'm glad people stepped up. I can't assemble a beautiful chart right now (anyone else feel free to do that ). I'll talk about the results later.

I may not be able to trust you later with a clean-shaven face, sorry but not sorry.

[Epignosis]

Gun to head reads.

How cute.

[Long Con]

Yeah fuck it.

JACKOFHEARTS2005
NUTELLA
DRWILGY

Bad
Bad
Good

[Long Con]

SPRITYO/DUNYA
SIG
EPIGNOSIS

Good
Good
Bad

[Long Con]

SLOONEI
DRAGON D. LUFFY
COLONIALBOB

Good
Good
Good

[Long Con]

MOVINGPICTURES07/JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LONG CON
MESK514

Good
Good
Bad

[colonialbob]

Gun to head reads.

How cute.

Can I change Epi from 'town' to 'disdainful'

[Long Con]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Bad
Good
Bad
Good

[dunya]

I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah fuck it.

JACKOFHEARTS2005
NUTELLA
DRWILGY

Good
Good
Bad

[Sloonei]

I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

I fell asleep after your first handful of posts (you must have been boring )and just woke up to the GTH reads. So my read was about 90% sprit and 10% dunya, without having read most of your contributions.

[Jackofhearts2005]

SPRITYO/DUNYA
SIG
EPIGNOSIS

Bad
Good
...I will never live it down if I am wrong and I'm sure to get flak for it but Good

[Sloonei]

Elohcin, mesk, and dom were the reads I hesitated the most on. I could go either on the first two at this point. Eloh's more recent posts have felt very sincere, though.
Dom has been absent from a lot of games recently so I don't think his silence here is indicative of either alignment, but my gut tells me he's town. I'll he surprised if we don't have at least one inactive little mountain.

[Jackofhearts2005]

SLOONEI
DRAGON D. LUFFY
COLONIALBOB

Good
......Head says bad, heart says good....Bad
Good

[Elohcin]

I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.

I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.

This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

[Jackofhearts2005]

MOVINGPICTURES07/JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LONG CON
MESK514

Good
Good
Empty

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.

But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?

Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.

since you're not playing gun to head, I'd be very interested in why you chose to use the word "mislynch".

Cause that's what Epi was accusing LC of trying to do.

[dunya]

This isn't about me being lynched. This is about you saying and implying things you should know aren't true in order to support your point.

Kyle, the fact is you complained about the players in your second game too though. This didn't stop townie Kyle from actively trying to lynch scum and having a more driven-centric approach in the thread. This is my opinion, on what I have seen and witnessed. Since Long Con has played many games with you, perhaps he'd like to counter my suspicions if he sees a townie Kyle in your participation here.

That's entirely false. You know game 1 was way worse than game 2 because you read them both. Game 2 was actually enjoyable, and had good and nice players in it. My complaints about game 2 were mechanical in nature.

Umm, no, I don't know how that's entirely false, and frankly, I'm a but upset you're making me out as a liar on here re: a discussion that occurred privately between me and you. You're the one who complained about the game "devolving into trash talk again" (but with more tame language). The pages I was linked to at the time were people just yelling at each other. Mesk overreacting profoundly, and you admitting it's not your thing. So excuse me when I felt it was safe to assume you were still getting bad vibes from game 2, but that's the impression you gave me. I don't ever bring REAL LIFE lies into a mafia game, regardless of my alliance, cos I'm not a liar.

[Jackofhearts2005]

INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

Empty
Town
Empty

[dunya]

I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.

I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.

This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

If I were scum with Mesk, I promise you I would be the first one calling for her lynching her since she's inactive anyway and it would pretty much grant me a safe(r) victory. I have absolutely no motive in buddying up to Mesk of all people, indeed, she's an incredibly easy person to get lynched if I were to build a case against her meta now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
Good
Bad
Good

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

Someayall judgy as hell. Am I supposed to pretend the mafia could be s billion people?

[Quin]

I can't completely rule out an inactive baddie team if its members are dunyo, Lasagne, Dom and sig. I could entertain a Lasagne lynch today to see whether the theory holds water. My biggest hesitation is that someone like Lasagne or Dom should have been replaced before others if mafia activity was of Marmot's concern.

[Kylemii]

Umm, no, I don't know how that's entirely false, and frankly, I'm a but upset you're making me out as a liar on here re: a discussion that occurred privately between me and you. You're the one who complained about the game "devolving into trash talk again" (but with more tame language). The pages I was linked to at the time were people just yelling at each other. Mesk overreacting profoundly, and you admitting it's not your thing. So excuse me when I felt it was safe to assume you were still getting bad vibes from game 2, but that's the impression you gave me. I don't ever bring REAL LIFE lies into a mafia game, regardless of my alliance, cos I'm not a liar.

I'm sorry. I sincerely apologise. I was reacting to you under the impression that you'd read the entire game and were basing your opinion on that rather than just the parts that I'd complained to you about.

After I'd complained to you I'd set out to enjoy the game and win at whatever cost necessary by fully exploring all options for the dilemma that was placed before me and debating with mafia player PowersThatBe. It was a completely different experience from game 1, and most of my posts in that game were generated in the process of debating with him.

[dunya]

anyway, I haven't finished reading / making notes, but I think I've had enough mafia today and given people enough context to form some opinions on me. I'll continue tomorrow.

[Kylemii]

I should point out that in the second instant mafia game where I was civ I also didn't post basically anything useful for the first 24 hours.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

The later.

[speedchuck]

Gun to head reads.

How cute.

[speedchuck]

Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me

[Jackofhearts2005]

Notice me, Epi.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me

So like, one person townreads you. How does that make you feel?

[Jackofhearts2005]

My daughter has informed me that Quin is a girl, Jimmy is mad and we like Goldy (Jack).

[Spacedaisy]

I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

Someayall judgy as hell. Am I supposed to pretend the mafia could be s billion people?

Nope, but what you should get out of it is that Daisy doesn't feel convinced invert many people's civieness. Also when I am in doubt I usually go withbad and when I have zero read because they are absent I go with bad as well. And in a game with two full cycles under our belts and no death, I think that's a good way to approach someone with no activity or next to no activity.