Mountain Mafia [END]

[Kylemii]

Maybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

I was pushed as a suspect by Sloonei Epignosis and cbob to some extent, and I think maybe one other person... A bunch of people said I looked bad, maybe not because of the thing you said, but I feel like that might have been a good opportunity.

You people know this. You know I'm more consistent and pushy as scum then town. I may have ruined my whole meta with Pirates mafia, and that's rather upsetting. But Pirates was still me being more pushy and consistent that this game.

I have no historical context for whether this is true or not, can someone plz confirm or deny

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis didn't you say you're voting for Jay? It doesn't look like you've voted in the poll

My mouse is old. Thanks for the notice.

[Sloonei]

What the heck is going on here

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

i'll mark nutella down as a no.

[speedchuck]

Maybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

I was pushed as a suspect by Sloonei Epignosis and cbob to some extent, and I think maybe one other person... A bunch of people said I looked bad, maybe not because of the thing you said, but I feel like that might have been a good opportunity.

Maybe I'm looking for reads more than opportunities. I don't know guys. I'm getting too tired for this. Let me go grab my old legacy post.

[colonialbob]

I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

[Sloonei]

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

define "civilian value". Also explain why you justified your mesk vote by arguing that her posts lacked "utility".

[speedchuck]

Welp. In view of my legacy, I'll have you know that this is the strongest town game I can handle when there are 3k posts and 93% of the game is still alive.

There. This is my last post tonight. Good luck I guess.

[Quin]

what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

in other words

can't*

[Sloonei]

what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

in other words

can't*

yeah that's why i was confused

[Kylemii]

Oh, Jay's back on the table.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was not demanding that you be consistent. You keep using that word, as if I care that you were inconsistent. I don't. I care more about why you were. Your turnaround against Mesk in favor of Dom came with no substantive reasoning. Rather than challenge people's votes for Mesk (which were weak), you...bought what they were selling?

Sorry- it doesn't add up.

I did buy it. I thought the reasoning was substantive, or at least more than it was for a Dom lynch. You continue to tell me that the reason was flimsy or weak or lacking in substance or whatever, but you have not told me why the following assertion is a bad one:

A lack of posts is not ideal. This does not provide any civilian utility.

The presence of posts which do not provide any civilian utility is even worse.

[Epignosis]

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

No. I don't agree, and I don't think you truly believe this.

It is insanely easy to create posts that look useful, especially early on.

When you called Mesk good, what was it in her posts that gave you that perspective? And why did you decide so very late in the Day that her posts had "no civilian value?" She had no new posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

define "civilian value". Also explain why you justified your mesk vote by arguing that her posts lacked "utility".

A post which promotes a civilian-advantaged progression toward something, some discernible purpose, pursuit, or goal. I felt that a large majority of Mesk's posts failed to fit that description.

[Quin]

I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

No. I don't agree, and I don't think you truly believe this.

It is insanely easy to create posts that look useful, especially early on.

When you called Mesk good, what was it in her posts that gave you that perspective? And why did you decide so very late in the Day that her posts had "no civilian value?" She had no new posts.

She made a single comment about Kyle in one of her later posts which I thought connected decently with her initial not-giving-Day-1-reads-but-here-are-some-thoughts post. I decided that wasn't a good reason to lend town credit and could as easily represent manufactured input.

[Jackofhearts2005]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

So much so.

Losing confidence in you, Sloon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well the avalanche has arrived.

[Epignosis]

I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Same case I had when I went to bad 48 hours ago.

Speaking of...

[Epignosis]

I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Same case I had when I went to bad 48 hours ago.

Speaking of...

I said "bad."

I meant "bed."

I'm getting lynched now, aren't I?

[Quin]

I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Same case I had when I went to bad 48 hours ago.

Speaking of...

I said "bad."

I meant "bed."

I'm getting lynched now, aren't I?

-lights a candle for epignosis-

[Sloonei]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

[Sloonei]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

So much so.

Losing confidence in you, Sloon.

You probably still have more confidence in me than I do.

[Epignosis]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

[Quin]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

[Sloonei]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

[Quin]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

[Sloonei]

If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

you've got doctoral things to do. I release you from your mountainous bonds.

[Sloonei]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

[Quin]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

i underlined too much. Her not being able to keep up is what I disagree with. Her posts don't reflect that.

I totally don't blame her for not being around

[Quin]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

[Sloonei]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

How so?

[Quin]

Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

How so?

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[DrWilgy]

I feel my thoughts are very much in sync with DDL.

I am hesitant to vote Jay with him, but "I like this Jack more than Day 1" Jack sums up my exact feelings.

What about voting Malakim with me?

I can't promise to not swap later.

*Malakim*

Hey wilgy why were you willing to follow DDL onto malakim?

I wanted to see if something would happen.

Like what?

If anyone wanted to bandwagon. Sorry had to wait before EoDto day that.

[Sloonei]

for what it's worth (not much), these are two mesk posts which reflect her struggles to keep up with this game

Oh fuck im so sorry... i totally forgot about this game for a moment... so not used to using another site

jeezlouise, so much to catch up on.... y'all been writing up a storm... hmmm

[Sloonei]

I think Epi's case makes sense. At the heart of it he's trying to figure out why civilian Jay voted for Mesk and he apparently does not feel like he's getting a satisfactory answer.

[DrWilgy]

Also, Malakim's reaction to DDL and I was pretty intense.

Interesting really. I don't know how to interpret such a harsh reaction followed by No U. I guess we'll see.

[Quin]

"Jay lynched Mesk over Dom even though he had a GTH town read on Mesk because Mesk had posts and that's suspicious" was his case. That's not even a misrepresentation.

What is worse for me is that 3J elected to vote Mesk over Dom because...Mesk had more to say? That's shit, and 3J should know it's shit.

That's a bad case and he should feel bad for making it.

[Kylemii]

It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

[Sloonei]

It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

[malakim2099]

Also, Malakim's reaction to DDL and I was pretty intense.

Interesting really. I don't know how to interpret such a harsh reaction followed by No U. I guess we'll see.

Next time you want to vote for me, do me a favor and not do it right after I say I'm leaving for a couple hours.

That rubs me the wrong way. Even if it is legit.

Which, well, it really wasn't.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] get in here before my refresh button breaks

[Kylemii]

It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

I mean it's 11pm for me and I don't have a job, are you guys just wrecking your sleep schedules?

[malakim2099]

It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

I mean it's 11pm for me and I don't have a job, are you guys just wrecking your sleep schedules?

No work tomorrow, and I'm a bit of a night owl anyway.

Though tomorrow I'm picking up my parents' Xmas gift at Best buy, so that's going to keep me busy I'm sure.

[Quin]

its 4pm in the afternoon and some people still havent hit midnight? these guys are stuck in the past

[Quin]

scratch that its 5pm haha lol

[Sloonei]

It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

I mean it's 11pm for me and I don't have a job, are you guys just wrecking your sleep schedules?

i work nights, my sleep schedule is wrecked by nature

[Kylemii]

sleep is for the weak

[Marmot]

BABY MOUNTAINS GOTTA GO

JaggedJimmy has been lynched. He was...

Spoiler: show

Chocolate Hills, Philippines (120 m) - There are so many of these hills in this area that they haven’t all been counted yet. There are so many hills, and they look like chocolate kisses when the grass dries out. This distracts another player nightly, roleblocking a player of Chocolate Hills’ choice.

You have until 22:00 MST on Sunday to submit your night actions, as I will be incapacitated tomorrow.